Destiny 2 Lore - The Precursors, The Final Shape & The Witness. The Penitent's Answer.

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Check out Starforge and grab yourself a new gaming setup today: starforgepc.com/MynameisByf Destiny 2's Lore and Story tells us about The Witness & its creation by The Precursors. The Birth of The Witness at the hands of a group known as The Penitent was the result of an age long struggle to discern The Final Shape & the destruction of all the other opposing groups within Precursor society. Through the logs of two precursors we can examine the process that led them down this dark road.
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@juliohurtado3524 2 ай бұрын

"If the choise is between the greater and lesser evil, then the choice itself is flawed." HNW was spittin', ngl.

@akaWhisp 2 ай бұрын

This is basically the exact lesson behind the trolly problem.

@cl4-tpgaming 2 ай бұрын

Stolen straight from the first Witcher book.😂

@axelkusanagi4139 2 ай бұрын

The false dichotomy bias.

@jonnyscoutgames 2 ай бұрын

something something US election

@Billabongbabalog 2 ай бұрын

Everything is spitting to some of yall

@QuillC 2 ай бұрын

I can't think of a single other time in lore where a pyramid ship is described as a tetrahedron, which got me curious as to the exact definition, and in the wiki entry I noticed the following: "For any tetrahedron there exists a sphere (called the circumsphere) on which all four vertices lie, and another sphere (the insphere) tangent to the tetrahedron's faces." Interesting that the existence of a polyhedron necessitates the existence of a sphere

@themadwarden6603 2 ай бұрын

Oh damn bungie are getting clever with their maths Easter eggs

@AyyFuji 2 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, so even with the architecture of a pyramid ship, their tetrahedron's require a sphere to existence, like their existence is forever intertwined with the Traveler. OH THAT IS SOME DEEP STUFF AND I LOVE IT

@guiltyspark3434 2 ай бұрын

Not to be that guy, but most geometrical figures can be or can be related to either squares and circumferences to help calculus of imaginary numbers and trigonometry. So as cool as it sounds, it’s simply a way to calculate things on a X,Y,Z model, it ain’t unique to the Tetrahedron.

@blackbelt352-dd 2 ай бұрын

@@guiltyspark3434 Tetrahedrons however is unique in that any arbitrary tetrahedron perfectly defines a sphere. Any of the other hedrons cannot arbitrarily define a sphere, for example a cube may fit perfectly within a sphere but if you move one vert it no longer defines the sphere.

@guiltyspark3434 2 ай бұрын

@@blackbelt352-dd As i said, it’s tools that we use in mathematics to determine certain aspects of a sphere, it was made done with that purpose, just as the entirety of other geometrical figures that fit inside a sphere. As cool as it sounds, it’s just tools used and a coincidence that Bungie choose that form that so casually happens to fit perfectly on a sphere.

@user-cf1ik9dm6p 2 ай бұрын

"...that what we will become will be lesser, if it is made without you." the writers at bungie never fail to craft some truly beautiful lines

@Billabongbabalog 2 ай бұрын

Really?

@TheEclipse420 2 ай бұрын

"I do not want to forget you." It's the emotions captured in the tones you can hear them saying the lines in too. The way Byf delivered them was heavy.

@KoPT01 2 ай бұрын

Precursor lore in a nutshell: Part 1: HNW: I like gardening. I hope nothing bad happens to my garden 🙂 Part 2: RS: We should make the universe a better place because suffering is bad. Death of your garden was bad. HNW: but isn't intervening to stop suffering a little too aggressive? Part 3: HNW: I killed all the dissenters and now we will become a hivemind and reset the universe because suffering is bad. Where R U? RS: . . .

@elitereptilian200 Ай бұрын

yeah its like your best friend asking for the newly changed door codes at purge night ffs..

@boysenbeary 2 ай бұрын

80 minute lore video. Tonight we feast.

@dmark_ 2 ай бұрын

long byf vids + snacks/dinner = bliss

@AlejandroKirkisObese 2 ай бұрын

It's actually 1 hour and 20 minutes

@mikereynolds741 2 ай бұрын

@AlejandroKirkisObese which is equal to 80 minutes...😂

@AlejandroKirkisObese 2 ай бұрын

@mikereynolds741 I don't know what you're trying to get but I didn't even read your reply I don't have 1 hour and 20 minutes to do so

@EncoreBesti 2 ай бұрын

@@AlejandroKirkisObese lol a relpy from someone like u who is wrong but won't ddnie it

@jackreynolds5518 2 ай бұрын

The fact that with the collector’s edition you can hold in your hands a physical copy of the oldest records known in Destiny lore, recovered from a ketch we infiltrated in a random story mission way back in D1, is mind-boggling. The detail, expansiveness and level of immersion in the Destiny universe is beyond impressive. I’ve never experienced anything like it. I’ve played ever since the beta 10 years ago, and honestly it saddens me that so many people will never truly appreciate how rich this story is.

@throwaway450 2 ай бұрын

It's the best sci-fi lore in a very long time, it's a crying shame that it's packaged in the most dogshit way humanly possible.

@DoomedRedbull 26 күн бұрын

@@throwaway450For the record, the only franchise I know of that could rival it is the Gundam franchise, and some of its packaging is just as bad.

@PrototypeAlysianKnight 22 күн бұрын

This. This mind set is why I cant give Destiny up. I love the story. Ive taken year long breaks from Destiny, but I find myself always comin back, because of how rich the story truly is.

@spacejunk8978 2 ай бұрын

Bungies lore writers deserve a massive raise theyll never get. Theyre basically the only reason i play

@psychopomp1940 2 ай бұрын

I haven't played since witch queen but still keep up with the lore

@SonOfDogHeadMan 2 ай бұрын

Byf apologizing for taking less than a week to record and edit an 80 minute lore video. What a guy.

@peteraustin9057 2 ай бұрын

The "glass minds" predicting a great wave is interesting, because both possibilities for what that could be referring to (fundament's God wave or the collapse hitting titan) were directly caused/planted by the witness. Its precursor species (or at least Hemingway and rorschach) were clearly trying to prevent these outcomes but ultimately caused them. The idea of the main villain of DESTINY, where the tag line of "guardians make their own fate" has been around since vanilla d1, falling victim to a self fulfilling prophecy is a really interesting piece of writing if that's what bungie is going for

@markgallagher577 2 ай бұрын

What if- and this is taking into account the Vex as Glassminds theory- the Vex caused the witness? Like an Isaac Asimov story where a computer is built to try and reverse entropy, the glassmind is built to predict the final shape, but this mind rationalises that the only way to find it is to survive long enough to be present at its arrival, and so it shows all these precursors images to manipulate them to a path where the vex are freed and develop their time travelling bullshit to give themselves an eternity to fulfill this goal, always building until they become something that can reach the final shape? It’s absolute bullshit but it’s fun to think about.

@shagnastyfo20 2 ай бұрын

"...what we become will be lesser if it is made without you...I confess this in selfishness. I do not want to forget you." I didn't expect to get misty eyed during a MNIB video.

@Viewstar 2 ай бұрын

Even more so, sympathize with a "part of the Witness"

@Altherot 2 ай бұрын

Man, the bromance was strong between those two Precursors. It was kinda wholesome.

@Flauzino_FLZ 2 ай бұрын

I straight out cried

@shagnastyfo20 2 ай бұрын

@@Flauzino_FLZ I listened to this while doing some side work at my job straight up had to hold it back. No one wants to see the bartender sobbing.

@markymark3449 2 ай бұрын

Wake up babe, Byf dropped the 80 minute Precursor video.

@AlejandroKirkisObese 2 ай бұрын

It's actually 1 hour and 20 minutes

@surprizeforyou 2 ай бұрын

@AlejandroKirkisObese that's literally the same thing. Lol

@AlejandroKirkisObese 2 ай бұрын

@@surprizeforyou whatever you say

@russellallen1006 2 ай бұрын

@@AlejandroKirkisObese1 Hour = 60 minutes. Video is 1HR and 20 minutes long. 60 + 20 Is 80. Video is 80 minutes long = Video is 1hr and 20 minutes long. 🤡

@romabg5136 2 ай бұрын

um actually it's 4830 seconds...

@davidflw6 2 ай бұрын

It’s crazy how precursors had the same three main factions the tower had Nihilist = Dead Orbit Swarm = FWC Conquerers = New Monarchy

@Midnaighte 2 ай бұрын

And they were all wiped out

@gv584 2 ай бұрын

Vanguard = Penitent ?

@Midnaighte 2 ай бұрын

@gv584 Hell no. We are better than The Penitent because we actually help other races and invite them into the city instead of believing we can do it all ourselves.

@ZedoBlack 2 ай бұрын

@@Midnaightethat doesn't mean we aren't the Penitent, it just leans we made the correct choice and they didn't.

@glitchyfox8706 2 ай бұрын

Question. Why did the traveler stay with humanity and make ghosts? Would hive ghosts exist if the traveler had not gone to humanity before savathun got her ghost? What else about humanity mirrors the precursers? Is there a reason for this? My guess is perhaps humaity is a new version or decendents of the percursers.Perhaps some of those in their inner circles did not agree completly so sent out a secret ship or pod to let their specise continue even if their plans go wrong

@-uncontested-8448 2 ай бұрын

The witness even says "my friend" as he's cutting into the traveler

@JutoCrocell 18 күн бұрын

HNW finally facing his old friend and we will help the only good precursor to win against his people who made the wrong choice

@GiveMeTheRice 17 күн бұрын

@@JutoCrocell “only good precursor” is a bit of a wild statement when talking about a precursor that seemed to be involved in the destruction in what can be assumed is a pretty large chunk of its own race

@RipDippler 11 күн бұрын

@JutoCrocell "the only good precursor" >abandoned the Eliksni >Attempted to abandon humanity in the golden age >only created ghosts to help humanity out of necessity to secure its survival >Made the hive lightbearers seemingly out of desperation again for it's own survival >Kinda just taking a nap in the sky >most likely intended to cut and run again when captured by the witness The Traveler has never been a good guy, it's just a cornered animal using anything at it's disposal to survive.

@GiveMeTheRice 11 күн бұрын

@@RipDippler i don’t think he was talking about the traveler, man

@RipDippler 11 күн бұрын

@GiveMeTheRice yeah that's on me, I'm leaving the comment there as a mark of my dumbness. And a mark of my hatred for the traveler >:(

@DemonCipher13 2 ай бұрын

Also, i cant believe that the Eye from the Vex Gate Lord gave us THAT. Amazing.

@GiveMeTheRice 17 күн бұрын

didn’t he say it was specifically recovered on a trip uldren himself took into the black garden and not our guardian or did i mishear? last i remember, we kept that eye to open the door

@Silencersix 2 ай бұрын

I like how the community predicted the name “Precursors” before anyone actually said it in the game or lore.

@theshamanofguns4391 2 ай бұрын

You have to remember that a number of the Halo crowd came over to Destiny when it was first teased by Bungie. Precursors (not the same as destiny Precursors) are also an established race/term there as well. It’s not too surprising that term came back up as another descriptor for yet another ancient race.

@Lynch2507 2 ай бұрын

I can think of like, 3 or 4 separate franchises that use "Precursors" or something to that effect (The Ancients, the Builders, etc etc).

@HighCharityYT 2 ай бұрын

It's almost like Bungie is extremely uncreative in naming things

@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong 2 ай бұрын

@@theshamanofguns4391 to be fair, there's only so many words for "the guys who used to be here"

@caufield88uk 2 ай бұрын

Cause they were also the started race that started all of Halo. So they've just reused the name and the concept. Bungie are good at reusing stuff youknow

@Herobuilder21 2 ай бұрын

you said "time before time" and my bionicle brain lit up

@xXx_Regulus_xXx 2 ай бұрын

oooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaa~

@dynojackal1911 2 ай бұрын

Me too.

@SelecaoOfMidas Ай бұрын

*'Move Along' blares in the background*

@ChrisHaldor 2 ай бұрын

I find it interesting that you didn't delve more into "Hemmingway's" personal journey here, as I found that to be the most narratively intriguing story in this book: They start as an optimistic gardener, seemingly disinterested in the Penitent's philosophical debates. But they turn to outrage that someone would destroy their planetary work without apparent meaning. This has major parallels with Asha's cutscene, where the Precursors felt that the [Gardener/Traveller]'s creation is too chaotic, and they grow frustrated at their lack of control, turning to the Darkness My take is that "Hemmingway" turned to politics after their garden was destroyed, and they clearly were someone pushing the Penitent towards their final extremes. The Penitent were evidently lacking direction, from "Rorschach's" messages, and a loud passionate new voice can make a big difference in a debate. "Rorschach" seemed to be very against such means, and the Penitent are still conflated with [Merciful/Benefic] in the second exchange. They seem to only have turned fully to winnowing some time after "Hemingway" joined their ranks For me, the Witness is an embodiment of frustration at a universe that builds and destroys without purpose. It doesn't know what the answer is, what the Final Shape is, and according to these documents it is growing increasingly less curious and more angry at that fact A wraith of the anger a gardener feels at someone crushing their flowers for seemingly no reason, still trying to create a world in which that can never happen again

@aistikasmursu9432 Ай бұрын

My take on the witness is that, its a self-contradicting creature that at the same time, love's and hate's the traveller for the traveller is its meaning for its existence, but it despises everything the traveller touches, kind of like an obsessive ex it feels that it, and by extension the precursors are the only ones deserving of the traveller's gifts as they think they're the only ones who know how to use it, whilst acknowledging that the traveller actively rejected their actions, so I don't think the witness could ever truly come to understand what the final shape is, but it just understands that to bring whatever it is about it needs the traveller.

@YANASaysHi 2 ай бұрын

have waited almost a decade for this lore.

@zperk13 2 ай бұрын

I hope Rorschach is alive, the lore from that would be incredible

@cunaksoy 2 ай бұрын

What if RS, "Rorschach", is the entity inside the Traveler all this time? We still don't know too much about the collapse. In all other cases the Traveler fled when the Witness caught up, but with humanity it decided to stay and created the Ghosts. Ghosts always fascinated me because they are essentially tiny consciousnesses, which we learn to be a Darkness thing normally. What if during our collapse Rorschach went into the Traveller, pushed away the black fleet and reverse-Witness himself and divided his own consciousness into many many pieces to form the Ghosts to help humanity at an "individual" level. Maybe that is his way of the final shape now. We know he rejected the Consensus. He maybe all for devotion, bravery and sacrifice of individuals rather than a singular consensus. Final Shape trailers shows our Ghost speaking about how he knows his true purpose now. Maybe that is because Ghosts have finally returned to the source, to Rorchach. We all remember the concept Destiny Traveler cutscene where a feminine figure greeted the first team that found the Traveller. Maybe Rorschach is the new version of that idea?

@Noblesix84 2 ай бұрын

Hour and a half of Byf and Destiny lore? Let's go.

@AlejandroKirkisObese 2 ай бұрын

It's actually 80 minutes

@Austin-fl7zr 2 ай бұрын

And he still said it was a “short video” 😅😅

@DemonCipher13 2 ай бұрын

Wow, what a ride. It needs to be said, whoever the lorewriters are are absolutely incredible. This sort of stuff only comes from someone with great depth. It's more than logical connection, you have to feel some of this, to make it so...viscerally. Wow.

@Invaderbob7 Ай бұрын

Also with all my heart I don't think nearly as many guardians would be as invested in Destiny without Byf and his lore breakdowns. He's living proof that extrapolating and digesting all of the lore destiny has set up is quite literally a full-time job; as such I think the player count would have never recovered without him

@DragonaxFilms 2 ай бұрын

Wait, the Precursors? I haven't heard that name since Halo's lore. _The Bungie Cinematic Universe lives on._

@Miss_Trillium 2 ай бұрын

As soon as I heard precursors I perked up To be honest this is my first Byf video in years, as I haven't played destiny since The Red Keep (or whatever), but I got nostalgic for seeing a video pop up in my feed

@TheParadoxGamer1 2 ай бұрын

What interests me more is that theres a lot of echoes of bungies version of Halo’s lore, as 343 definitely changed a lot of it, as well as echoes to the original Marathon trilogy. Its interesting seeing these characteristics.

@My0ldFr13nd 2 ай бұрын

You know 'precursor' is a normal word that has been in english long before destiny or halo, right?

@TheParadoxGamer1 2 ай бұрын

@@My0ldFr13nd well duh, but the reason we freak out about this stuff is because whenever Bungie does this kind of stuff it tends to implore us as an audience to look at their work before to see for more connections to the current plot. They did this with the Egregore, the Ecumene, and now here. They even did it when they revealed Destiny to the world! Theres a reason people freaked out when it was revealed, minus the whole new bungie game thing, because at the end of Marathon Infinity Durandal calls US the players *Destiny*. So yes, we know it was a word before, but we also care about what that word connects to.

@JM1992 2 ай бұрын

@@Miss_TrilliumI love that you combine the red war(base destiny 2) and shadowkeep expansion lol

@BoisegangGaming 2 ай бұрын

The Glass Minds being related to the Vex is... interesting? Especially since we see the Sol Primeval/Precursor Vex being extremely advanced looking and, well, glassy. Atheon may have been one of these Glass Minds, or at least the closest the Vex could create without the Precursors' help. There's also the [Summit/Pyramidion/Final Shape] thing. The only time we've seen that word before is the Pyramidion on Io, which appears to link multiple places at once- perhaps this is the Observatory and why the Vex wanted to keep the Witness out. There's also the "Glassway", which connects an ancient Vex Forge Star to Europa, and Vex radiolaria and the Darkness were instrumental to the creation of the Exos and their mind transfer process- something akin to the creation of the Witness.

@axelkusanagi4139 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if the Vex have been mutated/corrupted/fused by some Veil experiment, and OXA may be pure glassmind pre-Vex.

@mrsmi1ey 2 ай бұрын

Man... Bungie universe and lore creation for their games - all of them, not just Destiny - is easily the best out there. I didn't think anything could get better than the wild expanded Halo universe, but Destiny really takes the cake. I never thought I would be so engaged in a video as long as this one, but I was absolutely glued to it!

@Lividmango 2 ай бұрын

Got here faster than when her parents weren't home

@maxstavens217 2 ай бұрын

True that

@twilso12 2 ай бұрын

“My name is Chris Hanson”

@kirittv 2 ай бұрын

Ayo

@zigzag2370 2 ай бұрын

Ahhh so what you're saying is that you came faster than her parents weren't home🤔

@KingPellinore 2 ай бұрын

You always come this fast?

@XxBazicxX 2 ай бұрын

Few things that could make Final Shape amazing: - A cutscene of the Witness being created. Make it horribly eerie, as we know many of the precursors were scared about doubtful about this choice - Make the story of The Final Shape one of heroism. There are a lot of lost souls binded into the Witness. Children, adults and so many others. We should either save them by ending the Witness or by somehow freeing them. The story needs to hit emotionally if this is gonna be considered a success imo

@ArturAzraqard 2 ай бұрын

No. Bungie is all emotional since the last couple dlcs. Its not good. We just need a good deep story/ plot. Thats all. I dont want no story and dlc for a little crybaby.

@Nadiki 2 ай бұрын

@@ArturAzraqardthere’s crappy emotional and there’s good emotional. You can have a good story that makes you feel things, and I’d argue a good story _should_ make you feel things. Lightfall was bad at it, Forsaken and Red War were excellent at it.

@monadoboy9639 2 ай бұрын

Yes Bungie needs to stop playing with needless rubbish like the Veil and tell us first hand everything that happened We need to know what the traveller is We need to see the witnesses perspective and what it wants why it's doing all of this We need a deep engaging story perhaps with an antithesis of the witness and actual personification of the traveller and the conflict it has maybe it shows us what the Final shape is and why it is flawed And I don't know what will happen in the end but I hope it genuinely angers the witness and leads to one of the COOLEST raid boss fights in history

@thorinhannahs4614 2 ай бұрын

I just want to see the final shape.

@monadoboy9639 2 ай бұрын

@@thorinhannahs4614 I mean I doubt we will see it "the final shape" is essentially the universe frozen or even no universe like I don't even think we can comprehend what it is perhaps we will see a glimpse of what the final shape is or it will be part of the raid mechanic but I doubt we will see it enacted I think we will seperate the witness and create a conflict within him much like how not all of the precursors agreed with the penitent faction to become the witness Reguardless I'm excited to see what kind of story that they tell

@T1EK 2 ай бұрын

1:07:22..."that what we will become will be lesser; if it is made without you." I've poured through the books to see if there's an indication RS left in the same timescale as when the Traveller/ Gardener left. I can't shake the feeling RS hitched a ride. That despite the billions of years that's passed, RS will have existed within the traveller, always on the run from the Witness. That the Witness needs to subsume RS in order to reach perfection/ the Final Shape....and that RS could be the figure in D1's pre-viz art that originally was planned to appear to the crew of the Ares when humanity made first contact with the traveller on Mars. Guess we'll find out in a few months time!

@sebastian.c7222 2 ай бұрын

So the plot of the witness is that the precursors lived for too long and had way too much free time to over think everything

@BBBey 2 ай бұрын

Woah This might be a total reach, but I am identifying a parallel between the Precursor Factions and the Worm Gods of the Hive……… Eir (Keeper of Order) - Penitent Yul (The Honest Worm) - Nihilists Ur (The Ever Hunger) - Solipsists Xol (Will of the Thousands) - Swarm Akka (Keeper of Secrets) - Conquerors

@jamezzz0035 2 ай бұрын

i thinl you're onto something...

@SymbioteMullet 2 ай бұрын

Each faction also works as an inversion/mirror of each race that is "of the darkness" Penitent - the Taken Nihilists - the Hive Solipsisists - the Vex Swarm - the Fallen Conquerers - the Cabal Layers within layers. I really like worms idea though. Where do Xita and Ahsa fit?

@johngancarcik5682 2 ай бұрын

I can see where your coming from and I agree

@BBBey 2 ай бұрын

@@SymbioteMullet I was mostly going off of the books of sorrow, so until just now I didn’t have an answer for you. There’s not a lot of lore to go off to know what Xita and Ahsa would parallel in terms of their names, epithets, or personal ideals. But after thinking about it a while, they could be separate from the other worms the same way Hemmingway and Rorshach are separate from the actual factions of the Consensus. Hemmingway and Xita abandoned their old selves for survival, whereas Rorshach and Ahsa both exiled themselves from their homes to escape assimilation.

@SymbioteMullet 2 ай бұрын

@@BBBey IT FIIIIIITS!!!!

@darksamiri4304 2 ай бұрын

I listened to this while trying to sleep. My dreams were CRAZY

@goosemanVEVO 2 ай бұрын

The final shape is 2008 youtube. The Witness wants to bring back lolcats.

@swiperr3652 2 ай бұрын

I knew it.

@PREGAMEDISCHARGEENJOYER 2 ай бұрын

ChrisChan, Disciple of the witness.

@goosemanVEVO 2 ай бұрын

@@PREGAMEDISCHARGEENJOYER Lmao!

@xXx_Regulus_xXx 2 ай бұрын

one of the raid mechanics will involve using keyboard cat to play the witness off

@scrawnyclownsnatch9656 2 ай бұрын

For the "Glass minds" I don't take this as the Precursors created them, but more the Vex were a separate party/entity that, just by existing and doing what they do, just so happened to help the precursors Observetory become more accurate. Additionally, given the Vex exists outside of time, if they're origin was the Precursors, they would also exist before the Precursors created them and now we have a paradox.

@tumarocks 2 ай бұрын

Yea I agree

@tumarocks 2 ай бұрын

Yea I agree it could be literal glass minds as in mirrors that predict the future (highly doubt it lol just a hunch). I agree that is the vex mind most likely from the Vault of glass that is helping them for whatever reason simulate or predict the future

@milkompoukalo 2 ай бұрын

Interesting.. in my language(Greek) entelechy -=> enetelexeia means “constant and uninterrupted care or diligence” or “the continuation, the duration”. With a little search I found this was a word made by Aristotle but the full etymology of the word is kind of a challenge. I guess I will stay in what we know about it and I think they used in the lore book considering the care and diligence meaning. Thank you for your videos, I always come here for lore and theory!

@ahmedalaoui9885 2 ай бұрын

This is a fascinating philosophical debate and the idea of the precursors eliminating their opposition in order to achieve a consensus is such an interesting contradiction

@kade-6940 Ай бұрын

I'm gonna be 100% honest here, I can't think of the witness's creation without seeing the Anti-Spiral from Gurren Lagann lol. Either way, both are dope af, and I love the lore writers and your chronicling of it. You actually got me into the lore when I was young Byf, with your Dredgen Yor and Shin Malphur recollection. What a ride guys. I can't believe I started this game way back when I was like 8 with the D1 beta lol. Now I'm like, a grown man technically. Wtf lol.

@MrPennyBags 22 күн бұрын

Bungie's ability to create entire Universes and fill them with life is mind boggling... both Halo and Destiny are so rich with lore that i cant get enough of it.

@yamayeet014 Ай бұрын

"The existence of past evil does not invalidate future good"

@sabre013 Ай бұрын

Late to the party, but I imagine this flawed consensus that created the witness will be a core aspect of how we fight it. By showing it, or parts of the group that made it, the flaws in their concepts or consensus, we can create a window of opportunity to damage it physically. I imagine it similarly to the Philosopher’s stones in Fullmetal Alchemist, allowing us to commune or influence the souls within and enact change.

@TheLorePerson07 2 ай бұрын

Just got my collectors edition, messing around rn with the tower and watching the Lore daddy, the perfect day

@DonatelloEsq 2 ай бұрын

Boiling the atmosphere seemed to suggest our own history of nuclear warfare.

@XionWillow 2 ай бұрын

Or human-caused climate change

@Alahmnat 2 ай бұрын

That's where my mind went as well, given the fears about igniting the entire atmosphere first inherent in early nuclear bomb development. Though I also don't think that the visions of terrible outcomes presented by the Observatory are necessarily all references to other things we know about in Destiny lore; lots of civilizations even just on Earth have been swallowed by floods, or destroyed from within. While some of what's predicted is more specific, lots of these things would presumably play out countless times throughout the long future of the universe - an outcome the scale of which might have motivated the Precursors to seek the final shape as a preventative measure in the way that the Witness has.

@Avan21907 2 ай бұрын

Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the lore of earth before the arrival of the traveler was that of overpopulation and catastrophic climate change? It could’ve been that, but it could honestly refer to any civilization across the stars

@elizabethhicks4181 Ай бұрын

@@Avan21907 destiny is a big Alternate Universe. The Traveler arrived in 2014, the year D1 released, and sometime in 2015 or 16 the mission to Mars to see it happened. It’s kind of hard to say what Humanity’s future would have been, because the main conceit of the game is about things being a bit fucked up in 2014, and the Traveler’s arrival launching us into a golden age of cooperation

@mystikad3 2 ай бұрын

an hour and 20 minutes of precursor lore is fucking sick. I'm so excited to watch this through. You're a legend as always Byf! 💙

@OptemusPr1meXBox 2 ай бұрын

Dude this was phenomenal!! The length was not a problem. The breakdown of Hemingway and Rorschach was incredible.

@DJFusioncell 2 ай бұрын

Plot twist, the self exiled precurser left, found a little planet after some time, fostered a new species and helped it flourish called humans, disguised itself as one of them, died during the collapse and they're our guardian :D

@TALONOFRAZGRIZ 2 ай бұрын

I like the idea, but for people whose characters are Awoken or Exo, I'm not sure that would work necessarily. However, if we take your idea and say it was some other human character, we could run wild like, say with the idea of a certain human character that was this precursor exile turned guardian of great power skill and intellect known as oh maybe........... Osiris, now that's also an interesting theory/plot twist. (Unless there is lore on Osiris's origin out there that I'm not aware of, of course.)

@DJFusioncell 2 ай бұрын

Just the general idea makes my brain play with the happy chemicals. We did see that the Elikni were able to go through the transition to being an exo, so it is at least possible to maybe shoehorn it in... As for the awoken it is a bit more of a slippery slope. To the lore's credit though the precursor was supposed to be a physician? Or were they the gardener one? If the physician then they could have just made themselves human somehow. Were talking about a civilization that had the traveler and advanced tech for a really long time.

@Raze394 2 ай бұрын

That's wild

@mystikad3 2 ай бұрын

that would be a fucking insane plot twist my god

@MichaelAppleman 2 ай бұрын

@@TALONOFRAZGRIZ Awoken and Exo both started off as normal humans.

@Spawnofgolden 2 ай бұрын

As a fellow delivery driver who is constantly on the road we thank you for your time, effort and constant joy you bring us when you drop these banger videos❤

@Jager_Leitwolf24 2 ай бұрын

Byf.....what if "The NINE" are actually ones who escaped from the Witness's purge? They have a greater understanding of everything going on and know the outcome, but they aren't doing anything to stop it. They are a complete mystery to us, but what if they are revealed to be the Witness's antithesis? I'm seeing alot of parallels of the NINE and the other factions of the Precursors. I could be grasping at strings, but it sorta makes sense.

@FierceFire14 2 ай бұрын

I feel like the nine aren't really used to our universe though, seeing as they were trying to create/send life through the portal/wormhole

@ShaoShaoMienshao 2 ай бұрын

This makes sense when you consider it was the Nine who saw fit to give us a Prophecy about Light and Darkness; about how they're sorta helping us, vaguely, yet not guiding us by the hand. It fits a bit of the Nihilist philosophy, but with their hands-off approach pushed to the limits by The Witness.

@dankblissey6162 2 ай бұрын

I believe the nine were already confirmed years ago to be formed from dark matter that became conscious due to many gravity waves of complex life in the solar system.

@O_Tarnished_Ours 2 ай бұрын

Don't worry of time Byf. Cook. We will be patient, this video was well worth the wait👌

@greenfrogonspeed8169 2 ай бұрын

I love your Lore videos. I always tried to piece things together myself and then come to your channel to get more context. Even now, after dropping Destiny (missed content of 3 seasons after Witch Queen and never bothered to go back to a game that expects me to pay so much and then sunset Story after 3 Months) I still always come back to your channel to learn more and keep up with the story. Kind of like you are an audiobook, I guess. So thank you kindly for all the work you put for us.

@ToastyBits 2 ай бұрын

Wake up everyone! 80 minute Byf lore video just dropped.

@robc4495 2 ай бұрын

I'm late. Still going? I have chips.

@AlejandroKirkisObese 2 ай бұрын

It's 1 hour and 20 minutes ffs

@ac4th371 2 ай бұрын

Finally some more Ancient secrets and deep world building lore. This is why I love this game and why I'm so glad I found your channel all those years ago. Great work again, very much looking forward to your next vid.

@monadoboy9639 2 ай бұрын

I gotta love how you gave them the most British sounding Names Hemmingway and Rorscach

@maximusdankimus5352 24 күн бұрын

I think the part about the atmosphere being burned away isn’t about a specific event in destiny’s history/lore rather an observation on the fact that many of the planets they seeded with life resorted to nuclear war with themselves and the part about not wanting to share their atmosphere with their neighbours is a metaphor for not sharing resources, which fits the whole strongest must survive idea

@Matchboxxxx 2 ай бұрын

This video actually changed my opinion on the witness. There is a ton of complexity to it but I still think Bungie fell short on showing that to us. At first I didn’t like the character because there was seemingly no personality or soul to it, I now understand that it was purely intentional and the Witness sees those traits as flaws. I’m still under the idea that our ghosts might have a much closer connection than we realize.

@Transfigurated 2 ай бұрын

Thank you Byf for putting this out. I had teeth extracted from my skull yesterday and watching this is giving me some comfort.

@adamlandry1786 2 ай бұрын

There is something so soothing about hearing Byf’s voice on the larger lore videos. And this one was amazing!

@alasdairbell4354 2 ай бұрын

Pulling the 'ancient aliens' trope in a post Mass Effect 3 world is CRAZY. That was tye Avengers Endgame of ancient aliens, Bioware was like "every race of ancient aliens you could possibly imagine has been reduced to biomass to make the ACTUAL bbeg"

@barthotymous Ай бұрын

I have to say, I LOVE the names Hemmingway and Rorschach! They excellently convey the idea of actually being 'people' (compared to code), but the names also give that sense of complexity that I think fits the Precursors (compared to something like Henry and Ross)

@bassmasseiceklang9351 2 ай бұрын

@MynameisByf Bungie should give you a medal and reward you royally. I think without your videos I would have quit over a year ago. but you always manage to ignite curiosity and passion for the new content - you good Loredaddy you.

@kennethblocher6110 Ай бұрын

I just wanted to show my appreciation for the content, the effort it took to create it and how you've been putting yourself out there with your voice acting lately. Well done!

@spacegypsy2757 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to make such a wonderful and in-depth video.

@gregthesovereign7525 2 ай бұрын

Well, time to grab some popcorn and learn some lore under a blanket ❤

@itsthatmitch 2 ай бұрын

Sweet Lordy lore daddy Christmas came early and so have I. This is a treat 😩

@maonyghtstorm8602 2 ай бұрын

"A place where even the bacteria are dead" sounds rather like any location the Deathsinger Chorus had been deployed.

@forgottentenno Ай бұрын

I'M SO CLOSE TO BEING CAUGHT UP TO THIS PLAYLIST. THIS IS ALL I'M BEEN LISTENING TO FOR THREE MONTHS!!!

@VoreoSabrae 2 ай бұрын

I really like the idea of another precursor in addtion to the witness being still alive.

@vykyr 25 күн бұрын

Only like 13 minutes in, but reminds me of FFXIV, with the Convocation of Fourteen and those unsundered. Neat. :3

@digitalephemera Ай бұрын

Top notch work as always sir! Loved the longer form video a lot!

@maxcrss2845 2 ай бұрын

There is one thing that scares me about the witness, and that’s if “we” becomes “me”. Final unification, erasing all the remaining individuality and having the leader of the consensus, the individual who decided on this course of action, being the only witness.

@RuthlessGaming5849 2 ай бұрын

This was a fantastic video! 👏 Bravo Byf! Loved every minute

@artracks7336 2 ай бұрын

Everyone grab a sit, its popcorn time

@LuvU2x 2 ай бұрын

Haven’t played Destiny in years at this point, but still get excited for Byf drops.

@khora3845 2 ай бұрын

The Witness is really just seeming like the Human Instrumentality Project

@BaDNeWsPaNdA1 2 ай бұрын

Definitely don't mind the wait for this, SCRUMPTIOUS looking dive into the lore. Thanks Byf ❤

@greenyoshi2859 2 ай бұрын

Byf, I know quite a few players who are coming back from destiny 1 who want to understand what is going on in destiny right now. I know this is a big ask but can we get a lore sum up of d2 and the characters relevant to the plot right now for those players, I'm sure that it would be vital to them for understanding things like the crow and the veil or even the witness. I love you and your content it really helps me understand destinys lore and I've been watching since the taken king to understand the books of sorrow and I want other players to pick up both your amazing content and destiny's lore like I have 🖤

@darkstrider1270 2 ай бұрын

u got to be impressed by destinys story\lore, its so good! keep it coming byf :D

@inquisitorichijou883 2 ай бұрын

It is lore like this that I love. To go back to an almost primordial age of a story.

@chrisreilly1290 2 ай бұрын

These messages back and forth reminds me of the messages sent back and forth between the Librarian and the Didact in Halo 3

@DancingViru 2 ай бұрын

RS might as well have been the progenitor to the Psions! Hints: RS put lots of trust into their people's "Observatory". Psions seem to be named after their psionic capabilities, & esp. their spiritual belief of the afterlife (lore book from Opulence regarding the Psion "Match") mirrors what lead to the merging of the Consensus, & they've had the OXA machine. Speaking of the Observatory; what the Precursors saw in it definitely became a self-fulfilling prophecy upon merging into the Witness, esp. if you had 1 of them wondering if all of the observed fates are considered part of the "final shape", so the "great wave" part was DEFINITELY a reference to the Fundament (speaking of, we still don't know about the proto-Hive's og homeworld). The "glass-minds" being explained separately from the observed "machine-plague infesting moons with prediction engines" is a good hint at how to parallel this book with Unveiling: The glass minds were likely a Golden Age AI tech of the Precursor, that then went rampant & became the Vex. What's eerie is the similarities between how the Vex as a species are structured vs how the consciousness of the Witness came to be. I desperately want to know what it was that HNW brought to their found system along side the planned panacea progenitor materials. Because I find it curious, that in all that terraforming vocabulary, there was no mention of tree(s) of Silver Wings! was also wondering how similar a multi-being of a merged consciousness without a body would be to the Nine...

@ReksratYTB 2 ай бұрын

God I love these hour long videos. You did an amazing job and have made the first half of my shift go by so fast

@jonathanmumbi8618 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the video Byf. I really appreciate all your hard work.

@tommydixon4871 2 ай бұрын

this change everything about the precursors the final shape and the witness 100% amazing lore video byf

@driumissimo 2 ай бұрын

I feel like we should be talking more about how in Lightfall, the main complaint Bungie got is how much of the story isn't in the game, and they promised to do better. And now we get huge story drops... in a very very expensive book available only to collectors.

@trashjash 2 ай бұрын

Right? Imagine if we discovered this by uncovering records from within Pyramids and artifacts we've encountered since Shadowkeep, bit by bit. Little fragments of knowledge about some ancient alien race, then here at the end get much bigger lore drops that clarify what our enemy really is.

@poplthemaidensrevengetmr3573 2 ай бұрын

@@trashjashthan*

@poplthemaidensrevengetmr3573 2 ай бұрын

Sorry

@impossibleegg3689 2 ай бұрын

If we don't get major and minor lore drops while exploring the Traveler, it'll be sad. Who knows if they had time to plan that though

@samspin429 2 ай бұрын

Since the beginning of D2, Bungie have always had really big lorebooks in the collector's editions. They contain some of my favorite lore but are generally tangential/supplemental to the story. The lore of the precursors will likely not be immediately relevant during the campaign as it mostly serves to expand the Witness' character without pertaining directly to its plans. I don't think it is possible to put this type of lore in the game. I think it is too long-form to be split up into different entries without losing cohesion and similarly cannot be conveyed in dialog or a cutscene unless it becomes directly relevant. If the collector's editions did not exist this lore would not either.

@robertdewolfe1654 2 ай бұрын

Thoroughly enjoyed this (as per usual). I was waiting for this video knowing the collector's edition would have lots of juice for us. ❤❤❤

@Hotelsonfire Ай бұрын

I absolutely love the idea of The Witnesses downfall being the fact that it was built upon a lie, as you pointed out Savathǔn’s downfall was. I hope that it’s pursued in a different fashion, almost forcing us to extract those who ultimately dissented from the mass that makes up The Witness, and then in turn dismantling the witness evermore, until we’re able to actually fight and defeat the shadowy mass.

@gamertalk1333 2 ай бұрын

that was amazing loved every bit of it. keep up the wonderful work love your videos!

@jelanijackson3247 2 ай бұрын

This makes total sense as to why the travel would go to a place and then leave after a while. If it feels that those after the precursor can then become like them, it leaves to find another civilization hoping for a different result.

@MlleAventure 2 ай бұрын

I love the deep deep dive and the length!! Tx ❤

@riverrock2244 2 ай бұрын

Great video, Byf! Thanks for what you do.

@dougie6610 27 күн бұрын

When you said hemmingway and Rorschach kinda fits with the watchers as through out the film the reference a light that was given you have abandoned it

@BigHeadLilDude 2 ай бұрын

Byf don’t apologize when you’re cooking, we all know you’re content gonna be good! Especially since this is a movie; just drop on it the table, and watch us get our fill.

@modermuna 2 ай бұрын

Thank you, I was looking forward to this video.

@Lost_Spartan034 2 ай бұрын

Such a beautiful breakdown, I look forward to more videos

@Fatikis42 2 ай бұрын

This video took me 4 days to get through, but it was worth it.

@farfoor5099 2 ай бұрын

It has been out for 2 days bro

@Fatikis42 2 ай бұрын

@@farfoor5099 hear me out. I'm from 2 days in your future, and I just finished the video.

@KittMcKay 2 ай бұрын

i'm only about ten minutes in, but so far the Precursors and their factions sounds much like how the Forerunners are portrayed in the Forerunner saga books, which, i suppose, makes sense - both are Bungie universes

@3oo3oo08 28 күн бұрын

Thanks lord daddy, love all the lore if the precursors.

@ZedoBlack 2 ай бұрын

I LOVE Destiny lore. Thank you Byf ❤ Oh and I love longer videos.

@tannersmith6258 2 ай бұрын

Truly epic video man, well done.

@illuminati1618 2 ай бұрын

How cool would it have been to have a season where we travel with Eido to collect this knowledge and learn this all in game? Such amazing lore.

@ObsoleteVodkaYT 2 ай бұрын

50:10 Another thing that links the Vex to glass is that the microorganisms present in Radiolaria are often compared in the lore to an irl type of phytoplankton known as Diatoms. This is because both Diatoms and Radiolaria have the ability to synthesize silica into (pretty much) glass armor to protect their soft bodies!