I never understood the hate of the GTO and G8. They were such good and underrated cars.

The Holden G8 was a real shame. It was an incredible car and the only non-Japanese vehicle I’ve ever owned.

The GTO actually started to pick up in sales in '06 when they dropped the car. They were actually drawing BMW buyers according to an article I read about the surprising bit of uptick in sales.

The 2006 GTO was awesome. Get it with a manual transmission and you had a real sleeper. I wish I had bought one.

I never knew what CTS stood for. Thanks Pat.

It's a shame that GM did ZERO advertising for the SS. Only known as a NASCAR body Style.

It’s hilarious how many of these were Bob Lutz’ creations, yet he’s so revered in the industry.

The Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO was successful. General Motors Holden only got panel presses made that could only cope with 40,000 stampings before they were worn out. All were sold out before the end of the donor vehicle's lifespan (VT-VZ Commodore). A successor was designed and a concept was shown at the Australian Motor Show (Holden Coupe 60) based on the next generation V car (VE Commodore, Chevrolet SS) but the GFC, the termination of Pontiac and GM's bankruptcy killed it. But it did spawn the new generation Camaro!

Isuzu VehiCROSS needs to be on one of these lists. I had a friend who owned one and quirky - is an understatement

The SVX and the Reatta still look good. That side profile of the Black Reatta marketing looks so promising. It's always a shame it never came with a turbo v6 or manual transmission to live up to its very sporting looks.

When I was in high school in the 88/92 timeframe, I saw a Merkur double spoiler XR4Ti in a Doctor's office park as I walked home. I have to admit that I love the looks of it even nowadays.

I had a 9-7X Aero. Besides a wonky AC, it was a good SUV. Interior was much nicer than a Trailblazer and slightly better than an Envoy.

The Saab 9-7X was by far the best looking version of the Trailblazer, I called it the Saablazer and the Saab 9-2X the Saabaru. The Saab visual treatment made both cars look sooo much better. While the 9-7X never got a great deal of attention, I believe that the 9-2X is highly sought after today, even more so than the same year Impreza.

I like that you included that Price is Right clip for the Cimarron. Yes, definitely include the Aztek in a non-luxury flops episode!

The Catera wasn’t that underpowered for its time, with a 200 hp V6. The BMW 528i only had 190 hp at the time.

The Pontiac GTO-Holden Monaro is an Opel Omega in disguise, much like the Cadillac Catera. The Monaro was based on the Holden Commodore that in turn was based on the Omega. The Omega essentially manages to appear in the failed countdown twice!

I had a Catera (used, got a great deal on it). Actually a really fun good handling little machine.

The dual plane wing on the XR4Ti is functional, (the design of the car was the result of the aerodynamic Probe III concept) but the style was polarizing for American buyers. Ford switched to the single plane wing in an attempt to attract buyers, even though it wasn't as efficient.

I remember a cousin’s boyfriend/husband buying a new XR4Ti - I thought it was cool. I’ve had two Saabs and three Volvos - all pre-GM & pre-Ford, respectively.

The first year of Cadillac Cimarron/Pontiac J-2000 had a carburetor. Winter in Detroit (the cars were made in tropical Brazil) caused the choke to flood the engine after it had been run and then turned off for about an hour (choke was set for a richer start caused by the cold, but the engine wasn't cold yet). The plugs fouled and the car had to be towed to the dealer for new plugs. Subsequent years featured fuel injection. It also had an electric motor that drove a pump that powered the power brakes. That pump wore out around 75,000 miles. The diminutive Pontiac T-1000 available about the same time had a starter relay that was so chintzy they would routinely fail, stranding the car. After replacing 2 or 3 of them, wiser owners kept a spare in the glovebox for a quick, simple replacement. You are unlikely to see either of these cars anywhere today. A buddy had a Volkswagen Fox in 1985 (also made in Brazil). The heater was so underpowered it produced more heat on Medium fan than on High speed. While driving on a very snowy day the driver's windshield wiper was so flimsy it fell off (making it very difficult to drive!).

I liked the SVX and GTO and think the T Bird would’ve sold a little better with a V8 and manual option but then it would’ve competed with the Mustang. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the Eagle Talon, that was definitely the lowest sold of the Eclipse, Laser and Talon clones.

Here in the UK the Cimarron was known as the Vauxhall Cavalier and in mainland Europe as the Opel Ascona , available as a 2/4 door saloon,5 door hatchback and a Holden designed estate car. All shared the GM (j platform) and were available with a wide variety of different engine's , this model was a great selling car and helped to severely topple Ford's dominance in the European market , the Omega model replaced 2 models (Senator Carlton/Omega (a) ) and this model sold reasonably well

Please do an episode on the Mitsubishi Diamante

Those mid 2000's Caprice Cop cars were nice. I hate they didn't catch on. The detectives in St Ann, MO had a couple in black.

I ❤ the SVX but never considered buying one cuz it was automatic only.

NEVER knew CTS stood for Catera Touring Sedan. Mind blown.

I owned a 2006 Saab 9-7x 4.2i for 7 years and absolutely loved it.

The GTO could have survived but it looked too much like a grand am/prix. I personally liked the new GTO.

The biggest reason the Chevy SS didn’t sell was GM. They never really advertise it. It was more on an agreement to import the newer Commodore after GM dropped Pontiac. It was supposed to be the LS3 powered G8 which they made less than 1100 I think.

Merkur was called Sierra, the Xr4Ti was just an XR4i in eu . very popular with car thieves .

I loved the Subaru SVX. If they had offered it in a manual, it would have been a hit

1986 Pontiac Turbo Sunbird. That car was a bottle rocket. It was cool, and fun, and fast when it was new, then blew up in a spectacular way...

The Saab version of the Trailblazer SS equipped with the LS must be super rare

That Subaru was one bad-boy car, though. Worked at a detail shop, and just across the parking lot , another business owner had one. We did detail it . Subaru was extremely innovative. Albeit in a strange way. Very cool series. 🚗🙂

During Chryslers purchase of AMC the main things they wanted was jeep and all of the engineers Renault brought on. The eagle premier was reworked in to the lh cars and the lx platform. Also the bravada was the 1st gmt 360 truck introduced, and had its own distinctive body ,until it was rebadged as a Saab and Buick.

So good! I wanted a GTO so bad when I was younger…

One thing I really enjoy about this channel is that I learn so much additional information about shared platforms, who owns what, who sold what to whom, who rebranded what and years sold until. Fascinating.

You videos are great.

I always liked that Pontiac GTO from the Holden cars. Always thought it was a good sleeper. And yes also love the SS and PPV.

The 400hp GTO seems like a car you could buy cheaply these days, and have one of the sleeper muscle cars under $10K like you had on another episode.

Excellent! You did a great job with the list a the video footage as well. Well narrated too. I was smiling and laughing and was like yeah... that is true. Sadly, GM made some mistakes indeed. I loved how well put together the video is and all the information too. I am a GM fan, but facts or facts and truth is truth.

The GM brass pleaded to Cadillac president Ed Kennard to delay the introduction of the Cimarron until the 1983 model year so they could tweak it up to differentiate from the other J cars.

All of these made me facepalm. 80% was "what were the makers thinking", 20% was "what were buyers thinking". The Subaru SVX and the Pontiac GTO were great cars, but nobody bought them because reasons.

It's called a bi-plane spoiler, same as the SVO, which is where they got the engine, which was detuned a bit.

The new gto failed cuz it looked like a grand prix coupe. If they gave it the g8 styling in 03 it woulda been a smash hit.

Thank you for this content , I really , really enjoy this channel !!!

A non-luxury car that failed: the Subaru Tribeca. It had adequate power for a midsized crossover with a 6 cylinder engine. However, it was smaller than the crossovers it tried to compete with (Highlander, Pilot etc), and as a result it had a much smaller second and third row than the competition. Also, the styling was controversial in 2006 and 2007. Subaru redesigned it for the 2008 model year, but it didn't help much. Fuel economy wasn't great either compared to other 6 cylinder AWD crossovers in its segment. By 2014 Subaru pulled the plug on the Tribeca and didn't make another three row crossover until the Ascent in 2018.

I have a friend with a love for Scorpios. Bought another 4-5 yrs ago. I think the Merkur is beautiful. Always liked them.

Excellent video Subbed 👍🏼

Excellent video 👍👍

Aw man. Still waiting for a VW Corrado episode.

Maybe the Pontiac Aztek would be good for a series on interesting cars from movies/TV.

Subaru also made another flop after the SVX, the Tribeca. The Ascent wasn't Subaru's first attempt at making a three-row SUV. When the Tribeca first came out, people hated how the front end looked. So Subaru fixed it at the facelift but to a point that it looked too generic and was forgotten instantly by everyone. Heck, the facelifted Tribeca looks like the type of SUV you'd lose at a parking lot. Fun Fact: Right before GM sold their 20% share of Subaru to Toyota, there were plans of making another three-row Saab called the 9-6x. It was a facelifted Subaru Tribeca but with the usual Saab grille instead of the generic looking Subaru one.

T bird was sad. It was a good looking car The Reatta was good looking too but they developed it as both front and rear wheel drive to decide which to pick and went with the fronts. if it was rear wheel drive it probably would have done better

Between this and Motorweek I'm probably all set for this weekend.

I had a 1983 Mercury LN7 that I truly enjoyed and truly miss. I'd love to see a video of this highly underappreciated vehicle. Mine has a ¹.9l 4 cylinder engine and a 5 speed. I could drive from McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey to Buffalo, New York on a tank of gas, which at the time(1987) cost me a total of $27.00!!!

I think you can add most any Geo to the next list, the Escort ZR2, and the VW Carrado.

Australians were told the Pontiac failed because it didn't have enough vents, scoops, chrome and other useless panel decoration to suit the U.S market. We couldn't believe it.

You have a really cool channel here. Thank you 🙏

I remember the Merkur Scorpio when you. I personally liked it. However I never remember seeing any advertisement for it. The only reason I knew it existed was I happen to see it in a dealership showroom. Ford did market the XR4Ti more. I like that one as well, although it basically was a mustang underneath.

The X90 is so cute! I saw one for sale but I didn’t have enough!

I never knew GM had a majority stake in Isuzu. Great info!

I miss the X-90. I have a feeling something stupid like that would work more these days where everything HAS to be all wheel drive.

Chrysler bought AMC because they wanted Jeep. Eagle was an AMC brand, but Chrysler dropped it after a few years

One of those SVXs is right down the street from me.. it had transmission issues last I heard.

The SAAB 97x internal structure was substantially different from the others oddly enough. The GM bunch wasn't too happy when the SAAB engineers improved it, but obviously increased the cost.

Nice list on the Flops! Maybe in the Future you'll finally make a video on the Lincoln LS, And as for Subaru SVX, I think there's a Matchbox Casting based around that model, And Matchbox makes a lot of Castings based around real life cars Like the AMC Eagle & Many other real life Car Models.

I love This video. You included foreign cars as well as American Cars

I have a ‘96 svx. Absolutely love the thing, in spite of the age and the extreme difficulty in finding parts.

Missed FoMoCos other flop! The Lincoln Blackwood! Totally forgot about thier existence until I saw one yesterday

You forgot the Sterling! As someone who had the uncanny knack of working for dealerships that sold failed marques, this one stands out to me above the rest for the very fact that EVERY one we tried to unload from the car hauler needed a jump start. They came factory with a battery draining electrical problem (British, go figure!) and I remember salesman running for the jump box just so they could take a customer on a test drive. I believe we only sold this brand for 2 years. I also got to experience Merkur and Eagle.

There must be something wrong with me, because I've wanted most of these cars for years

The Toyota Corolla GTS was a rebadged Sprinter Tureno. I had one and loved it!

Man, I loved the XR4TI. SOmeone put together a custom at SEMA this year ( or last?). Either way, it was GORGEOUS.

The 9-7x Aero was Kick Ass!

Find me a great condition XR4ti, and I'll buy it. The Thunderbird is now going UP in price with collectors as is the G8

That Subaru XT coupe was very sleek and sporty. One of the few Subaru cars I would ever own.

Awesome thanks

Catera commercials used to urge folks to "Lease a Catera" it caught a tv script writer's fancy and some tv program had a character named "Lisa Catera".

I loved that Thunderbird, so cute!😊 I had an used Renault Alliance, the ice cold air conditioner was the best and then came recall, never the same. 😢

Here’s a rare one from the 80’s...Bertone X19 (formerly Fiat)

It’s been a very long time since I’ve seen any of these. So sad the development money that was wasted.

I owned a Scorpio. Loved it, drove it for two years, traded it in on a BMW M5. Still miss it.

The Subaru SVX was so cool. A friend of mine owned one and I loved it.

the t bird should've had at least some simulation of tailfins . the xr4ti (dual plane ) looked really good to me , except i thought the headlight/grille area needed something to jazz it up a bit .

Had a catera and1st gen cts they shared a lot of parts including the engine. Which was bumped up in power for the CTS. Loved them both. And had them both in manual!!!!! Also had a merkur bc I wanted a turbo mustang or t bird. But found a xr4ti in red in pretty good shape. Unfortunately I had turbo issues and traded it for a Foxbody with a straight 6 that I still have

That Data laugh. Lmao

Great episode can you do an episode for the flops of the Ford explorer sport Trac?

Still hoping for a video on the Buick LeSabre

The Thunderbird reboot failed because Ford picked the wrong version of the brand to reboot. They picked the 55 and should have gone with the 60. People wanted the grills like were found on the PT Cruiser and the HHR. The 60 would have that but the 55 didn't. Also, how sure are you that there are 10 cars? You seem to jump from 3 to 1 so...where'd 2 go?

Fun fact, the Buick reatta uses the same sunroof as the FB 1st Gen RX7!

fun fact, if the catera had lived say...a year longer, it would've gotten the corvetta V8, because they were planning to do this for the opel in europe to push it more upmarket and make it more profitable (the V8 cost less to build than the V6 for instance)

Good episode. Request for a Honda Del Sol

I bet the Holden GTO would’ve sold better if it had a different name

The Omega was indeed a luxury car, a sports limosine like BMW 5.

i find it very interesting how these cars were total flops, yet today they're regarded as some of the coolest cars of the past

The Cadillac CT6 needs to be here. Introducing a full size luxury sedan in 2016 was dumb, especially when the market was clamoring for something like the XT6, which didn’t debut until 2019

I remember the cadillac cimarron as a kid. I thought it was pathetic. We used to drive by Casa De Cadillac alot and there was a brown/yellow combo one sitting on the side of the main buidling. It was new. I think they were ashamed they had to sell them.

At launch With the Neiman Marcus Edition, Ford wanted to create a very special, very limited number of cars that would stand out as the most cherished of the new Thunderbirds. The Neiman Marcus Edition Thunderbird stands out with a number of one-of-a-kind design elements setting it apart from other 2002 Thunderbirds. The car features a black body finish with a removable silver top, creating a striking, elegant style for the modern dream car

The Holden Maloo was an awesome updated SSR