The bottom line is it's all about having fun. You are having fun and so are we watching your videos. 👍👍

I'm a Navy Vet. (1958-1964) The ship was on was part of the Cuban blockade ( an ammunition ship) an I've come full circle back to 22lr shooting. I used to hunt deer, grouse, squirrel, etc. Now I'm older so I hunt targets not animals. That's what Groceries stores are for. And its cheaper, But I used to like just getting outside enjoying the hunt, even on days without bagging anything. I live in Maryland an its hard to find ranges for target without driving 50 plus miles. I have weighed my ammo but not had a chance to evaluate my findings. If I can shoot half as good as you, I'll be happy. Keep up the vids. I watch them all,.

Don't wrap it up loving this series . Sorting ammo works well .

I really enjoy your videos, the setup with the cameras really gives the feeling of beeing there with you, keep it coming I'll be with you until the group is a round and nice .22 hole :)

Pay no attention to the nay sayers. Enjoy all your great information. 73 year old Navy vet and I too have come back to the 22lr. Low noise and low recoil have me smiling from ear to ear. Thanks again.

I've watched every 22 video that you've made, and I must say that you make the most informative, entertaining target shooting videos on the web. Weather folks agree with the data or not, it's helpful to get the information and make your own conclusions. Please keep making 22 rifle videos...love 'em. Would also love to see you do more 22lr rifle reviews. Keep up the great work...much appreciated. bb

I shoot Eley target thru a CZ457 MTR and it seems to make a difference when I sort. Keep up the good work. I really enjoy watching your posts.

Please don't pay any attention to the naysayers. This is the exact type of scientific method which is fun in sorting out the best ammo for a particular rifle. I enjoy this immensely. So much so, I'm going to do a similar workup with 3 of my 22 rifles. My newest is the Bergara B14R just acquired. Thanks for putting the effort into your tests, it is appreciated.

Your pieces are great, I learn so much and you give so much context that would take me years to put together.

Good looking equipment, enjoy yourself at the range and keep up with experimenting. I found the biggest improvement with the cheap ammo when I was sorting.

I appreciate everything you bring to upkeep it up

"no one speaks about how much fun I'm having". Best comment ever.

I sort and it makes a difference for me. I appreciate all your videos and will be extremely disappointed if you stop

You keep having fun, because I;m having fun watching and learning from you. You are saving me tons of time and money and I'm just getting back into 22's after years of letting them sit in the safe. I forgot how much fun they are to shoot.

22lr is damn good fun my man. I love watching your .22 videos

Don’t wrap this up keep going! Everyone will always have an opinion and that’s all it is; an opinion. What works for you might not work for everyone else. That’s what sets us all apart but none the less we are all here for watching you have fun! Can’t wait to go to the range and have me some 22lr fun as well this weekend! God bless and keep them vids coming! 👍

Hey, brother, I enjoy all your videos. And I especially enjoyed this series of videos. Please do more. I have learn a ton from this

If you’re not having fun that would be the time to stop . You look to me like you’re having loads of it ! Please keep it up 👍

Sir, THANK YOU for putting in the time on this. It was VERY nice to see another set of data on this. I did a similar experiment, using a CZ 455, sorting only by rim thickness. I had similar results, about a 20% shrink in group size. However, I decided it wasn't really worth all the time that went into it as a working dad. Especially since I shoot NPR style matches, not F-class bench. Biggest reason of all I quit doing it, I really found it tedious, and didn't enjoy it. I enjoy reloading, but this rim measuring was no fun at all to me. Keep up the good work, cheers.

Sir, I do not mind the outcome as much as the experiment. Please keep on enjoying the journey

God bless ya brother. Sometimes we need to seek out our own questions. Like you said,it’s fun!! Keep on keeping on….

You are one of my favorite KZfaqrs period. Thank you for what you do. Would love to have a channel like yours.

Here is my answer to that one ; with Blazer or SK yellow or CCI Std. I sort only by weight and clearly cheaper ammo benefits from sorting are very clear. I shoot 100 meters and with sorted Blazer by weight from CZ 455 Jaguar(stock), with bipod and sand sock and each five shots will cover with nickel . 50 yards may not show a difference as much but 100 meters (110yards) it will, if shooting is done with economy ammo.

Man I really like your videos for so many reasons. Keep them coming. Let me know if you're ever get to San Antonio I'd love to shoot with you.

I think people are upset that you may have proven that the extra work to sort makes a difference and they don’t want to have to do it.

Keep measuring and weighing 👍Makes a difference for me as well enjoying it 😀

You keep doing what you're doing. It's always interesting to an enquiring mind. 👍👍😁😁

Fun and interesting video, thank you!

I have just ran across this video and I see its a year old. I have been sorting my ammo for about 3-4 months, thanks to my great friends on Mewe (I have a great group of friends there and we LOVE the Ruger 10/22). I dont have anything fancy as far as rifles go. I have a 10/22 with a Green Mountain target barrel. I can attest that I have CCI-SV (sorted ammo) that will shoot under .5 moa at 50 yds. I have also had great success with Norma TAC-22 as well. I will say that I sort by grams and not grains and it has tightened my groups up tremendously. Sorting by weight, seems to get rid of any flyers, you might have. I am a FIRM believer in sorting .22 LR ammo. LOVE your VIDEOS, please keep up the GREAT CONTENT !!!!!!!

Sir I really enjoy your videos, you are a blessing to me may the Lord richly and abundantly bless you, shalom my brother.

Yer fk em - keep shooting. Keep recording - it’s some good shit.

Love your 22 work.

Love your videos keep them coming. Forget the haters. You do got one more test to try sorting only weight. Would love to see that. Thank you.

Great job, thank you, Bernard Daly

Great video as ALWAYS!! Very much appreciated 👍 I only have a Lithgow 101 and here in the U.K. we have a worst ammo issue than you do! I don’t bother weighing/rim-thickness the mid to high end ammunition but always weigh and check rim thickness on the cheapest ammo ( American Eagle etc) and it DOES make a difference out of my Lithgow! Hope that helps. Do you first find ammunition that your firearm seems to like and then weigh/rim-check or weigh/rim-check and then see which seems to shoot better? Once again many thanks for taking the time to bring us these great videos, regards Clive from across the pond in deepest Dorset 👍

Great video Marine. You asked, so I''ll answer. Last year I won 7, 150 yard, 22 lr matches at our club. All with SK Standard Plus (yellow box). Rim thickness didn't seen to matter much as all were within a half thousandth of each other. But sorting by weight made a phenomenal difference. I only wonder where the weight difference is at. Lead weight, powder weight, or brass weight. Keep up the good work.

Plenty of positivity in here Mr revolver guy ....keep on doing what you do and if you have a great time doing it all the better

Semper Fidelis! As a kid, Dad and I went rabbit hunting with a single shot Stevens, in .22 short, which was okay for small game. When I returned home from boot camp, I bought a Marlin carbine, in .22LR with cheap optics that I really didn't need. It was a "tack driver" at 50 yards, though. Unless I was target shooting regularly in competition, I'd likely never sort ammunition. With a medium bore weapon, perhaps, if I planned to take game at over 300 yards. With a condition known as "essential tremor," though, target shooting seems to be therapeutic, and calms me down almost as good as the meds that I take. Something about that "B.R.A.S.S." mnemonic we learned on the range almost sixty years ago! Enjoyed your video, sir. Thank you. Respectfully, Ken -- MOS 2831 - 1st Marines, Viet Nam / 13th Marines, Camp Pendleton 1964-1967.

Always enjoy your vids..

Great vids, love your intensity, you should just stick with your Lithgow, I get great results shooting eley std bulk box, love what you do, keep up the great work

I love the game of 22lr, the whole game! just like you brother. thank you very much

You do a great job a lot of information..I shoot 22 BR yes ammo sorting does help with mid grade ammo. I shoot mides+ for compation I do check it for weight and rim thickness, it does change with lot numbers, not much but some. I can reset my tuner for deferent lots . It works for me. Keep up the good work.

Just found your videos on rimfire - love your presentation and info! What rear bag are you using?

Enjoy your videos keep up the good work

Please do not give up,your information is great to follow some experimentation gives a direction to follow. Did a bit of rim thickness checking on Eley Club and it all measured as 0.039 thou so the standard of manufacture was extremely good,also did same with CCI subsonic at 0.040 also good manufacturing . Enjoy

I very heavily 'sort' every single round of (center fire) ammo I make. I never gave any thought to sorting .22 LR but absolutely various brands produce much different results. I've never had good luck with Eley and Federal bulk box shoots pretty well for me. Edit: Thanks for bringing us along!

Yes, Yes Yes - Having FUN. Like the series, like the info. Sorting ammo? Hmm, not sure it would make a noticeable difference in my shooting - mostly off hand or using a sling. I'll give it a try, though.

Who makes the front rest? I like the big wheel for adjusting height

I really like what you are doing. If others dont like it they dont have to watch.

great work, great information, my three favorites are SK, Amrscor, and Aquila for target shooting at this time, more consistent from round to round, lot to lot. Sort for real serious, very serious, shooting, just serious the above are my top 3 pick for my Rem 513T an my (16 pound) Rem 40X

I have never sorted before then I have never used the high end ammo. I would like to sort according to lead weight since that is the heaviest part of the 22 and would make the biggest difference.

I do things that would make all of your critics cry and scream and throw tantrums! Back when Jim Clark installed one of his target triggers in a Ruger 6 inch standard and won the Internationals with it, I realized that the "select few" that think they know everything, actually have a lot to learn! I shoot my MTR with common off the shelf ammo. I expect a few fliers and I know that I will cause some, so I simply don't count em! I shoot 3 shot groups because as a Hunter, that is what I've always done and that is what I will always do. More often than not, that rifle will put 3 into a tight cluster or one hole the majority of the time and that is what I consider a "rifle that shoots"... I'm an informal shooter and left the world of competitive shooting behind long ago. Not many real rifle shooters around anymore in my opinion! They rely entirely on technology to do what they never learned how to do in the field and that isn't shooting in my opinion. You should do what you wish and the critics be left in the dust my friend! GOD Bless.

DATR, let's put things into perspective, so why do you spend $22 on Lapua or $4 on CCI standard is there a difference in specs & quality or just marketing ?? proofs in the pudding. I'm retired so I have time, and $22 a box for plinking is crazy, so I buy and sort bulk ammo and just let me say, take a box of 300 or 500 and weigh them out , and see what you get, you'll be amazed at the high & low and that's what you get for $4............. I have seen overall weights from 37.0 gr to 45.0 gr at a bullet listed @ 1180 fps will that produce flyers High or low !! The rabbit hole is deep, 22lr is a peculiar little round, keep shooting and we'll keep watching.

Just getting into rimfire and i bought a Neil Jones 22lr rim thickness gauge so im hoping to sort some cheap ammo and get some gold out of it. According to CCI their SV and Green tag are the exact same except they are sorted by thickness and weight so if they can charge .30 cents a round instead of .10 then ill definitely give it a try Love the video! Keep em comming! Whats your set up for your scope camera and target cam? Are you using a Tacticam for the scope?

Thank you for this interesting video. For your information, serious ISSF small bore competitors are definitely sorting their ammunition, but they do it differently. They only sort the top of the brands (Eley Tenex and the rare equivalent brands) and they do it by "batch". A company like Eley is "offering" this service, provided you purchase the appropriate number of 1000 rounds packs of the batch that suits your match rifle the best. More local compagnies do it too, and sometimes with a larger palette of ammunition brands, but with a more restricted set of Tenex Lots. Yes there are small differences between various batches of Eley Tenex, some batches may work better in one match rifle, and other batches (or other brands) will work better with the next similar model. For serious competitors, even a small difference in performance may have huge impact (like being on an olympic podium or not). It is not clear wether this is also relevant for other, more affordable brands. This is where sorting individual cartridges, like you do, may be relevant, at least to some extent.

It's funny that you commented on the smell of the ELEY ammo. I had only shot North American manufactured ammo prior to getting into Rimfire PRS and NRL22 style shooting a few years ago, and the smell was the smell I had known for over 40 years... First round of ELEY and I knew something had changed. It was a bizarre "oil paint drying" smell, to me. Very different. Now. I've fired tens of thousands of rounds... but that smell from ELEY, SK, LAPUA , RWS, and Fiocchi is still so noticeable. Everything scratches up your bore, eventually... and that's not to say that handling the ammo doesn't pick up the occasional piece of grit from the tabletop to your hands, especially in windy conditions, or , ( and come on, admit it, we've all done it, ) that dropped round that you wipe off and shoot anyways... All .22 RF ammo has waxes or oils that are dirt and dust magnets. It's gonna happen. As for sorting vs. not sorting: I suppose it boils down to what discipline you are shooting and how much your OCD kicks-in, and then also your budget. If you have the cash, and don't want to spend time sorting, then buy trhe best you can, and shoot it straight-up. If you're shooting .22 RF Benchrest, you'd probably buy many different lots, shoot them all to find the winner, then buy as many as you could of that lot and THEN sort them( By weight AND rim thickness), because those matches are won or lost in the thousandths of an inch. In PRS and active shooting, again, it boils down to your competitive nature, how much time you have on your hands, OCD and your budget. I have seen studies where they sort mediocre or mid quality ammo trying to get match ammo out of it, and it helps to a point, but doesn't really result in "match" ammo. In PRS you want consistency. MOA will get you trophies. Sub-MOA will get you close to first or at least on the podium, and will eliminate a lot of guesswork. .2's and .3's removes the gun/ammo from the equation and puts it all on you to do your part. Sorting leaves me more than a few rounds that go into a "plinking" pail. Those can be some pretty expensive plinkers sometimes, and makes my wallet ache just a little.

I recently started sorting, by weight, and I shoot budget ammo like CCI Standard and Federal Auto Match. I also bought a Labradar to monitor muzzle velocity. I have been watching your site for a few months now and many times you are shooting a great group and then a flier or two. So far, what I have seen is when I weigh bullets, the ones that are light or heavy either have lower or higher muzzle velocities respectively. If I shoot ones with equal weight my SD reading is 12 or below and muzzle velocity between rounds is 35 or less, mostly less than 10FPS. My groups are tighter and fliers are a minimum or non existent. I have taken these high/low weight bullets and used them to season the barrel. I can tell you at 50 yds I am grouping 2" or more between shots and it looks more like a 410 shotgun blast. Muzzle velocities with those rounds go as high as 200 to 300 difference between shots depending on the brand of ammo. One of my buddies turned me on to weighing and rim sizing. I thought he was doing it for a laugh but I found out he was right. I havent done the rims yet but let me ask you. You have a lot of custom guns and barrels. How many of these barrel makers or gunsmiths have asked you what kind of ammo you shoot? They want to know your biggest grain you will shoot and brand so they can get the proper headspace and match chamber specs tight, correct? People can razz all they want. I see the difference in the target. If you or I are wasting time, in their opinion, big deal!! Last time I looked it was my time to waste and I am having fun doing it. In 3 or 4 hours I can do 1000 rounds. If I buy 5 boxes of Lapua super x I will spend over 100 bucks and have to find certain lot numbers that are compatible. How much time does that take? I have been amazed at 100yd groups I got out of junk Remington Thunderbolt at 5 cents a round or less. Is it better than boutique ammo groups, maybe not. Some bean counter screwed up the ammo because back in the 60's and 70's some of the best ammo was Remington, Federal, or Winchester and they all shot good!!! Tomorrow I am going to order the PDC chassis you have on your 455. I like it and am building another 457.

I purchase a Harrell's barrel tuner- muzzle break combo. It came with a size 7/8 x 5/8 - 24 thread and I have a 7/8 x 1/2 by 32 threading on my Vudoo Rifle. I remember you commented on one of your films that you needed to put a thread adaptor on you rifle barrel before you were able to connect the Harrell's tuner. Were did you buy the adapter from?

I sort by weight & rim thickness. I have shot both sorted & unsorted & the sorted is always the tightest groups. I also warm up my barrel before I start & I have a clean barrel before I test. I shoot IBS 50yrd. Bench rest at my club & just knowing that my ammo is as tightly matched as possible gives me one less thing to think about as I go through a match shooting at 75 dots. I shoot both a Tikka T1x & a CZ 457 Varmint MTR. I shoot both SK Rifle Match & SK Pistol Match Special sorted. Oh and great Video as always!

love you channel Sir

I dont care what others say, i enjoy every video you post, sir. Everyday i come into youtube just to see if you`ve uploaded another video. Just keep making videos! We know YOU are having fun as much as WE are having fun watching your videos.

Just curious, What are you using for your target camera? I have been looking for something similar. Thanks and let the haters hate while you're enjoying your time behind the weapon.

Pretty sure its silica, and I thought I read that Eley changed their formula a few years ago?

Another awesome video 👍 …… when i shoot my .22 i have Nothing on the end of it with holes in it as over time the holes can carbon up and then your groups start widening - this has happened to me and when i took it off and just put on a thread protector my group sizes came back… also with the .22 the only two finger i touch the rifle with are the Thumb and Trigger finger… grabbing hold of the grip as well can twist the rifle - do a test yourself - Look through the scope and grip the hand grip tight and then let it go again - you’ll see the rifle move…. But thats how i roll… you guys do what you feel is best for you… 😊 - and your thumb should be like directly behind the trigger as though you are going to touch your thumb and trigger finger together in a straight line… happy shooting !!

So it's beginning to appear that weight and rim sorting has some benefits? That suppressor really changed your barrel harmonics! That was bizarre.

I weight cull, not sort. I usually cull around 25 rounds out of a brick of Eley Target. These are rounds that are well out of the norm. It absolutely helps with fliers. About a month ago I went through a brick and culled 23 rounds. After that I shot 4 five shot groups with the good stuff and 4 five shot groups with the culls. At fifty yards the good stuff averaged .588 inches while the culls averaged 1.37 inches. In all four of the cull groups, fliers are what really opened them up. The smallest cull group was .787 inches. I use to rim sort but really never saw that much difference in my guns. I also haven't seen any real improvement when weight sorting by the .10 of a grain.

Love your video I could learn end less counts 0f information from you i need more range time would help me you make look easy

My friend and I say it's unholy to go home with 22's in a box. Lol Oh, by the way the CZ 452 mag fits the JW 15! I finally got an extra mag. Great video

Keep doing your thing, the trolls gonna be trolls and expose their ignorance, the rest of us like what you do and actually you help less experienced shooters, soooooo, keep on trucking my man.

There is a thread on rimfire central about ground glass. The comments said that all 22 rimfire cartridges have it to induce friction. It's not just eley, but all have it according to what I read. I would say, no worries.

Are you putting pressure on your right thumb when you shoot?

Clearly shows he beifits of sorting ammo. Plus I enjoy doing it. I cannot afford Tenex or Midas+. I can afford Eley Club,Eley Match and SK Pistol Match. I got similar results you did. But, I did get much better results when I sorted for rim thickness and weight. Love your videos. Do more with your family. How about doing a Family challenge?

Never seen that type of rifle before. What is it?

Sorting works wonders for CCI standard big difference maybe not so much on high quality ammo .

cold barrel very often goes wild

You are right,have fun and dont worry about others opining.... sorting works.all anyone has to do is look at how... say a company like Elly makes their high end ammos and what lot # s are. I appreciate your videos.

You are behind that long gun in the perfect position. I watch a lot of videos where shooters are shooting to fast and in each case their fliers are, I believe, as a result of them canting their head on the stock.

Those people criticizing you are people that have problems and are jealous of your time on the practice field.

In my experience only: Sorting by rim thickness using my Neil Jones gauge has made a difference. Two factors made the biggest difference for Me. I had to press the same amount of pressure on the gauge to make it effective; this was accomplished with practice. Secondly, the lower the cost of the ammo the bigger fluctuations and larger improvements I saw. Measuring Tenex was not time effective for Me. Sorting CCI standard was worth it. Fed automatch was also worth it, but not time effective due to way to large of sort piles to widdle down. So for Me, I sort Eley/SK/Lapua midrange for improvement. Eley Black/Tenex, Lapua Exact I purchase by lot number for improvement, and the thickness when I check, are already usually the same. I always wondered how if too much handling had an effect. Thoughts? ( I do not weight sort at this point )

I don’t sort, but I shoot Lapua Midas +. I weighed some and measured rim thickness. I couldn’t find any differences. I don’t think that you should count the initial groups. My clean, cold bore shots are always spread out. Suggestions for better accuracy: Single feed. Varying magazine spring tension affects your bolt position in the receiver. Use at least a 30X scope. Aim small, miss small. Allow the rifle to freely recoil. To that end, you need a 3” front bag, a 3” plate on the fore end, and a sub-1 oz trigger. Test different lots. I tested 12 round groups of 15 different lots of Midas +. The groups ranged from .264” to .967”. Test action screw torque. 15 in lbs works best for me. I shoot a CZ 457 with a Lilja barrel in a MTR stock. I added a bag rider to keep the rifle level in recoil.

Not with the higher price ammo but now using old bulk ammo I will give it try, Thank you and take care!

I have tried sorting, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I'm an Eley fan, and haven't noticed excessive bbl wear either.

I have seen enough evidence to suggest there is a small gain to be had from sorting. The real question is whether the opportunity cost is worth it. If I spend my time practicing correct shooting technique instead, might I get a similar improvement in consistency of group size because I'm a better shooter?

Even if it doesn’t make that much difference in actual terms if it gives you just a little more confidence that you can shoot better with sorted rounds then it is worth it. Everyone who shoots competitive matches knows it is critical to find ammunition that your rifle really likes and gives you that extra confidence to shoot you best. So spending a little extra time to give yourself that little extra is worth it.

I did a review of a motorcycle that has over 100k views. I said one thing wrong and boy did it bring out the keyboard warriors. Granted most people are nice but the ones that aren't are filled with so much vitriol that it's disheartening. Keep doing you bro, I enjoy your channel. Just bought a CZ 457 Provarmint and will be doing the same thing with all the 22 ammo I have that you do with your video... I just don't think I will post a video.

All I can say it's a lot of work I am glad to watch videos and I hope your groups get better. Who is anybody to say that it's a waste of time Period .. What about cartridge overall Length that factor in there might help also. Rock on baby

I know one thing for sure if you adjust you your Harrell tuner for one type of bullet you should adjust to a different type if you change types.

Looks like sorting works for you. Looks like it could be the difference in winning or losing if you were competing.

a top shooter here in qld reckons .22lr are voodoo . I believe him !

Great shooting, I also sort, but only by weight. The Eley Club was from 48.8 to 57+ grams I sorted by .3 grams, the big difference was, the lone flyer that pops up here and there. But .6 to .48 was best. On the Eley TeneX they weight spread was much closer. 48.9 to 52 grams, again sorted by .3 grams much ore consistent, .48 to .51… again the extra weight could be powder therefore minimizing that lone flyer….at least on my Tikka T1X at 50yrds on the ARA target. They also stay tighter at 100 and 200yrds. I too enjoy sorting and shooting and it’s all about the fun isn’t it?

I tried it, rim thickness only, the results were, for my rifle and ammunition, inconclusive. Also the effort took most of the fun out of shooting 22lr, for me anyway, If you enjoy sorting, go for it. Never let the piss ants wear you down.

I started out just shooting CCI STANDARD VEL in a RUGER RPRR in a NRL22 MATCH not sorted & did not score well then I sorted by rim thickness & weight 6-7 out of 10 after sorting if the wind isn't blowing 16-20 mph across your target. Ive had just bought a CZ 457 MTR just got a scope on, it no ammo test yet. you do what you think that would give YOU the advantage at making the smallest don't

How about some 100yds with herrell tuner and quality ammo please...22lr . I shoot UBR competition at 100yds against bolt guns with my 10/22...its tough to beat them.. unlimited bench rest ..thank you for the testing you do...fun to see the results on your nickle...

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I sort mine by weight and it seems to make a difference for me. That being said, I'm just a plinker with a Savage 64 GXP with an upgraded scope and a Savage Mk II GXP with an upgraded scope.

Sorting probably does have its place, but I feel acclimating the ammo to the barrel is more productive before moving to record fire.

Shooting is fun, sorting isn't. I spend my free time Shooting. And don't let the nasty comments get to you. Great videos.

With a lot of gun things, I do what I think is right and experiment when I don't know myself I rarely listen to the crowd or the popularly acceptable course of action. I'll take their input sure and factor it into my own thoughts but almost never do I take others words as gospel truth until I can experiment and see for myself I trust my own experience over what others have told me every time, and I think you should too

I sort by rim thickness then by weight. It does get me the best possible for the ammo

Clearly, sorting makes a difference. But it is a small difference. I am happy with the sizes of groups I get from my two highly accurate .22 rifles, so I don't sort. This was, however, a fun and interesting experiment.