350 CHEVY HEADS BEST AND WORST

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Myvintageiron7512

Myvintageiron7512

Күн бұрын

YOUR BUILDING A BUDGET SMALL BLOCK CHEVY WHAT HEADS SHOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT TO STAY AWAY FROM
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@Dallasdeckard
@Dallasdeckard 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for such an informative and well-organized video on 350 heads. The more a person knows; the more of an expert they are, the more humble they are (usually). When you said, "I don't know everything, but I know a lot", I knew right there that you know what the hell you're talking about. Other guys that don't know 1/10th of what you know will say, "I know everything about 350 Chevy heads!" I wish other KZfaqrs that do informational videos took the time to get organized and chock their videos with as much info as you do. Hopefully some of them will check out your videos, because they could learn a lot (and not just about how to film videos)! Thanks again for such great info and presenting it so well.
@hooliganxmotorsports6944
@hooliganxmotorsports6944 5 жыл бұрын
Man I love your videos. You are in my top 5 of sources for information and knowledge. Please keep up the excellent work educating us shade tree mechanics.
@Mike-yq7ce
@Mike-yq7ce 2 жыл бұрын
I am surprised that the 5.0L/5.7L Vortec heads weren't mentioned in this video. They are a Gen I small block. Those are also a very good choice port design in those heads were based off of the port design in the Gen II LT1's. 1.94/1.50 valve size with a unique multi angle valve seat from factory. Stock vs stock the Vortec's flow more than the camel hump heads, already have the hardened valve seats for use with unleaded. However they do need a little work if you want to run a higher lift cam. They also have a fast burn style combustion chamber.
@johncalhoun8011
@johncalhoun8011 2 ай бұрын
I like that Vortec Head.
@johncalhoun8011
@johncalhoun8011 2 ай бұрын
Would that Vortec Head hold up on a small Shot of Nitrous?🤔
@wayne4913
@wayne4913 24 күн бұрын
One of the best stock heads the vortec also the Corvette 461 X head with sum port work it will flow as good as the stock Vortec head and the stock aluminum fast burn that's my 3 best stock heads but if you are going to do work on your heads go with the Vortec new intake bolts holes to run old still intake or go with Vortec intake manifolds the aluminum fast burn head has the old and the Vortec bolt holes big $ you get what you pay for 😂
@BarrelMH
@BarrelMH 2 жыл бұрын
This video is pure gold! So much knowledge, And we get to watch it for free! Thank you for this!
@stevew270
@stevew270 8 жыл бұрын
I had 993 heads on the 350 I rebuilt for my 87 1/2 ton Chevy, great heads for moderate power, I loved them.
@KillSwitchNY
@KillSwitchNY 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your research and posting this. Coming from LS and small block Ford I am building my first gen 1 small block from all free parts that people have given me over the years. It's a little junker 355 and someone gave me a pair of 993 heads that have been ported and valve job with 2.02/1.60. The big chamber should put me at 9:1 but that's ok. 87 octane turd.
@jackmatthews4437
@jackmatthews4437 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent, Most accurate info about SBC heads I have watched in many years. Been building street engines since the mid 70's. Now with 49 Years experience (Now 2022). My pick has been 041 since I first found them at Pick-A-Part in the late 70's in the Valley (SFV). Were produced for only 2½ years. Very hard to find Then... I would assume almost impossible to find now. 186 Castings were easier to find. Well Done.
@michaelhisel1
@michaelhisel1 9 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video. Very informative. Appreciate how you broke down the casting numbers.
@dadams19111
@dadams19111 8 жыл бұрын
You know your stuff!!!! Thanks for letting the young guys know about this old school technology!!!!
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
Agreed Thats why I flow tested all of them and based the video on them
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 11 жыл бұрын
It's so funny that you bring those two things up because those are the exact thoughts I had when I previewed this, I uploaded it anyway because the Camel hump looks just like all the rest in the vid except for the end of the head but I hear you I am going to re-shoot this as soon as the weather cools off some right now it's way to hot here to shoot without the cooler on Thanks for the input it is always welcomed
@DBSSTEELER
@DBSSTEELER 7 жыл бұрын
FYI: TrickFlow is going into production with an aluminum version of the 461 head with a slightly larger intake runner(175 CC as opposed to 170 CC) already set up for high lift cams. It will be budget oriented so it will be competitively priced to factory SBC head with the machine work to support the same type of valve train.
@johnalarcon5006
@johnalarcon5006 Жыл бұрын
My friend randy bought these heads and they have a seal issue, infact the technician called him directly from trick flow and ask him how they are working? , they are good heads but not the best , AFR heads are the best! And not that much more expensive either!
@mikemaguire5507
@mikemaguire5507 6 ай бұрын
Grump ran 11.66 with 461 heads back in 1966.
@CarminesRCTipsandTricks
@CarminesRCTipsandTricks 3 жыл бұрын
I know this is old... But still very relevant info. I'm also a former Engine Builder and Machinist. YES - totally agree with you on the 624 Heads!! JUNK! There's enough of the others to not use them. Now I have "successfully" built a few 350s with 305 Heads.... Do I suggest that the average person do it - NO. I even used 58cc Chamber 305 Heads with Dish Pistons, giving 10.6-1 Compression.... THE DIFFERENCE - I explained to the Customer that these would NOT be high revving, high Performance Engines! What they were, with Port Matching and mild Polishing and a Comp Cams 268H, was a Truck Torque BEAST. Fantastic from IDLE to 3500, but pretty much ran out of poop by about 4400-4800, with significant Torque loss between 3800 to Redline. Guys even reported getting significantly better Fuel Economy when not getting into it!! THAT was the late 70's to early 90's.... After that, it became obvious that you could practically "have your cake and eat it too" with a 383 Stroker! Possibly the best Chevy Small Block that Chevy never made. I'm really enjoying your Channel. You really know your shit, and have even taught me a few new things!! None of us know everything - it's always good to gain knowledge from someone who has had different experiences. 😉 Carmine ✈🚂🚙
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 3 жыл бұрын
Yea I have done quite a few 350's with 305 heads they are basically a truck work horse engine but you know sometimes that is what you need great landscaping truck engine and I agree they do get a little better mileage mostly in city driving
@69camaoZ28sc
@69camaoZ28sc 9 жыл бұрын
The 3987041 and 3987041X in particular were used as a warranty replacement heads in matched set for the 69 Z28 Camaro. My DZ Block cracked and the CE wedge piston replacement block came with 3987041X heads. I still own the Camaro today and wish you had noted the oversized intake and exhaust ports of the 041X heads. The X can be found on the bottom of the intake runner, if you've never seen one. If you want a Pic I have plenty.
@jorgedacosta8957
@jorgedacosta8957 6 жыл бұрын
You should have said something about the 441 heads, lingenfelter wrote in his book. Them 1969 heads with the 2.02 intake and 1.60 exhaust valves are the true LT1 heads they experimented the year before they released them onto the 350 LT1 motor. Every one else also has a bad habit of calling fuelly heads as 2.02 intake and 1.60 exhaust valves, but actually the first Fulie motor was in the Corvette with the 327 motor in 1963 I think? But these heads had actually 1.94 intake valves and 1.50 exhaust, they named these heads the Fulie because of the fuel injection, great article, maybe you can do a special on the Fulie heads, LT1, and the 441 heads to educate people better on these heads. Have a good night my friend.
@Getoutthere247
@Getoutthere247 10 жыл бұрын
So glad I found this vid. I'm looking for heads for my truck and about a week ago almost picked up a set of" early vortec"from craigslist. Lol thanks for saving me a head ache
@AeroSport103
@AeroSport103 10 жыл бұрын
Great information. Wish I had known this 30 years ago! Thanks for posting. Take care, be safe!
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
For a 383 tbi stroker aftermarket heads work the best the tbi heads were not very good performers
@russlindahl9141
@russlindahl9141 2 жыл бұрын
best and easy to understand you video i have ever watched. you are straight to the point and explaining all options and why. very well said and not a bunch of riff raff and so slow like others i seen. could not have been more perfect . I know exactly what heads to get for my 70 c-10 truck that is stock other than edelbrock manifold and carb. thank you, your video is all i needed to know. great info thnx again
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped Thanks
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 1973 Corvette C3 L48 195 HP 350 engine with "882 smog crap" (76cc chamber) heads, but to keep the car number matched I reworked and gasket match the crappy stock iron heads, installed screw fit rocker studs, kept the small 1.94 stock valve size but changed to new Manley stainless valves and bronce guides, gave the seats a rework too...enlarged the intake runners a little... Chevy V8 Engine block got TRW made forged new old stock 0.30 oversized LT1 copy domed pistons on pink LT1 forged rods giving 10.5:1 static CR with the L48 76cc heads, pistons and rods weight matched, original cast crank in 2 bolt block remained only got a cleaning and ballancing, Camshaft is a LS46 GM cam copy by Elgin (E921p Duration At .050" Lift 224/224, Intake Valve Lift:.450" Exhaust Valve Lift:.460" ) ...intake manifold is a Edelbrock performer with 750 Edelbrock quad carb...engine runs like a champ giving German 350 DIN HP (Not SAE) on rolling road, pretty much like the original 1970 LT1 and L46. It does not need lots of expensive trick stuff to get a decent street performance engine.
@michael-cj3gf
@michael-cj3gf 10 жыл бұрын
Great info. I have a 72 Chevy 350 Camper Special for towing. Need to check what type of heads I have? I know it is a 4 bolt main, long stroke, high compression, mild Crane RV cam. Thinking of putting 062 Vortec heads on it for more power?
@shainefenwick1157
@shainefenwick1157 10 жыл бұрын
Great video man gave a lot of great information!! Keep them coming
@aaronpeople101
@aaronpeople101 7 жыл бұрын
love the videos, I'm new to a machine shop and it's great to watch your videos and learn
@Ekorslk
@Ekorslk 4 жыл бұрын
You just saved me from spending a lot of money on redoing my 991 heads, I have a good set of 882 heads lying around as well. Thank you!
@mphill1491
@mphill1491 3 жыл бұрын
andres lopez get the 993 heads the best 76cc heads besides the 441’s. The 441 use the large 13/16 spark plug.
@kramnull8962
@kramnull8962 6 жыл бұрын
There is another machinist on here that talked about date codes on heads. He stated he found over the years that you could tell by the day of the week differences in quality of the heads... He said he noticed that Monday and Friday heads took the most work to shape them up. That Tuesday-Thursday heads were of better quality workmanship... Nobody wants to be at work on Monday or Friday...
@randomoldguy3967
@randomoldguy3967 4 жыл бұрын
That’s a horseshit urban myth that is prevalent across all aspects of automotive manufacturing.
@StevenPfeiffer
@StevenPfeiffer 2 жыл бұрын
It does cross over to boats. I’ve never bought a boat made on a Monday or Friday
@RockBottomGarage
@RockBottomGarage 8 жыл бұрын
I hope my combination runs decent. I went with a 355 running flat tops with a xe268 with a set of 186 1.94/1.50 valves. Basic porting to clean up the casting flash. Edelbrock rpm intake, Edelbrock 600, 2400 stall 350 turbo and a set of 3.42's All of this is going in a 79 cutlass. Hopefully it'll run hard for a street car and pull lower 13's, should be very streetable. Might step up to some RHS Vortecs one day.
@rudyleon7321
@rudyleon7321 Жыл бұрын
i have something similar in my monte im sure the cutty gets up
@markpelley
@markpelley 6 жыл бұрын
You know your stuff, thanks for taking the time to help guys like me. Mark
@boodrow24m
@boodrow24m 10 жыл бұрын
I had a 350 in a truck years ago. The heads were 53cc. It made a rediculous amount of power. 68 GMC that could pull the front end. I didn't build the engine, but did add some aftermarket parts. I was putting down low 11's on slicks.
@mobbullies
@mobbullies 10 жыл бұрын
@ayebee1207
@ayebee1207 10 жыл бұрын
Low 11's? "SOME aftermarket parts?" cough-cough-Gasser numbers-almost.
@utooberblooper
@utooberblooper 6 жыл бұрын
Its a shame you were running the 1/8th mile ,that equates to about a 17.16 second quarter mile time(total shit) any vehicle will seem like the front end is lifting.
@th3unn3rv3d3
@th3unn3rv3d3 10 жыл бұрын
We picked up camel hump heads for my sons 350 for 400$. They were machined for bigger valves 2.02 Intake and 1.6 exhaust. Even had the springs and rocker stud girdles. Sounds like a beast.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
Oh yea they work good
@golfdude70
@golfdude70 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great Info Going to build a 383 stroker here shortly
@65elcamino283
@65elcamino283 7 жыл бұрын
great explanation. thanks! at a swap meet, i found a set of 461 heads with 1.94" intake valves i'm about to put on my '65 elcamino (gotta deadline of 5 weeks to complete at this point for a work related car show). it's a 283 with flat top pistons. i'm running an electric fan, and power nothing, manual steering, no ac etc, so only the alternator is run off a belt, and the alternator bracket is bolted to the exhaust bolts on cyl 1, so i lucked out there since these 461's have no accessory mounts. what do you think my comp ratio is going to be? general numbers are ok, just hoping to get close to the 10 range or above hopefully. going to run and edelbrock airgap dual plane, edelbrock 600 cfm carb and long tube headers. not going to be a beast, just a good little motor with decent spunk in my 3200 lb '65. going to watch some of your other vids now. thanks! sub'd!
@Stevet19791
@Stevet19791 9 жыл бұрын
Awesome video great info!!! I've just subscribed, so got a lot of videos to watch. Couple questions? Where do I find the casting numbers? I'm interested in getting my heads done (if they have good numbers)? In this process what can I expect to be done, and what does it usually cost to have heads redone? Thanks in advance!!!!!
@roamsalone4020
@roamsalone4020 5 жыл бұрын
Love the videos, I have a question, I have a vortec headed 355 with flat top pistons, and a stock (1995) lt1 cam and I’m looking for suggestions as far as timing both initial and total. The car is an 86 Camaro with a 700r trans, 3.27 rear, dual plane intake and a 600 cfm Holley street warrior carb
@Bizzhatesme
@Bizzhatesme 10 жыл бұрын
Nice video, thanks for uploading. I have had good luck with 882's that I put on mild stroker motors with low valve overlap cams, I do match the ports however but I don't think it makes that much of a difference as everything I build rarely sees 5k RPM. I look forward to more of your videos.
@jameshester3831
@jameshester3831 3 жыл бұрын
882 castings are set up for unleaded fuel
@justinthompson3577
@justinthompson3577 Жыл бұрын
882s are the worst
@JacobAnaya369
@JacobAnaya369 Жыл бұрын
I’ve got the same heads on my 383 stroker but my 882’s came off a 1974 Camaro so they have the big 2.020 intake valves and the 1.60 exhaust valves so I’m using them for now but I plan on getting some SR Torquer heads from World Products and see how they do
@JacobAnaya369
@JacobAnaya369 Жыл бұрын
@@justinthompson3577 better than 624’s
@kenjett2434
@kenjett2434 7 жыл бұрын
back in the day i rebuilt several 350's but one stood out. Dont recall casting numbers but i had them shaved as much as possible then added the higher compression pistons. Talking about compression and horsepower wow but did have one problem very hard to turn over to start and was hard on starters. Installed it on a heavy haul truck it haf so much power rarely had to shift plus it was incredibly fuel effiecient.
@michaelwillcutt2619
@michaelwillcutt2619 Жыл бұрын
I did a set of 461 64 cc heads an shaved a hundred thousandth off of the an installed them over a 12.5 :1 dome pistons
@corvettecoupe3731
@corvettecoupe3731 10 жыл бұрын
I built a 350 about 15 years ago and after tossing around tracking down a good set of well used heads and the cost of a valve job and possible P&P, I just bought some aftermarket heads...
@oneforliberty
@oneforliberty 10 жыл бұрын
I find that the info in your video to be very knowledgeable and accurate...I have been a SBC builder for over 30 years and back in the day when everyone wanted the 461's I always preferred the 041 heads..
@thekingofktownsixni
@thekingofktownsixni 7 жыл бұрын
oneforliberty are the 041 heads good flowing heads and how can I make them better
@oneforliberty
@oneforliberty 7 жыл бұрын
Yes the 041 heads flow very well as the are essentially as the 461 heads but have the accessory holes for running a more modern pulley system..You can enlarge the intake valve to I believe a max of 2.05 ..You can also do some porting but for me a port match works wonders as these heads flow well to begin with especially for the street..
@joestrasser382
@joestrasser382 7 жыл бұрын
oneforliberty I just picked up a 350 with 461 heads and I was going to send them in to get ported and polished, is it worth it??
@oneforliberty
@oneforliberty 7 жыл бұрын
Well Joe I would have to ask what are your plans with the motor?? Porting and polishing is costly because of the amount of labor time and even worse if done by a sub-standard machine shop could cost you your heads ..Taking out too much material and getting into water jackets can make the heads worthless, so make sure the people doing the job have the experience and stand behind their work.. Now if it was me and my only use for this motor was the street I would do a port match with the intake and select a good cam, intake , carb and headers..But if the goal is a all out killer race engine I would most likely invest in a set of over the top aftermarket aluminum heads and save or sell the 461's.. The 461's were designed as a great street head and can be improved on to a degree but really still just a great street head..
@joestrasser382
@joestrasser382 7 жыл бұрын
oneforliberty oh alright thanks for the information because all I'm doing is a mild build, cam, headers, intake, carb, lifters, and rockers and just giving the whole motor a little refresh like bearings and everything
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
991's work fine put in a good rv cam to go with them
@brent596
@brent596 6 жыл бұрын
Myvintageiron7512
@scottc0510
@scottc0510 3 жыл бұрын
THANKS for all your very informative videos. I've enjoyed MANY of them. I think I have three good questions. Here's a little background before I ask them. I recently bought a 1991 (last year square body) 1/2 ton Chevy Suburban.with an amazingly straight body and good frame and suspension, etc., for what I think was a terrific price ($600)... I bought it KNOWINGLY with an apparent bad valve guide in the cylinder head for the #8 cylinder. It's leaking oil and fouls plugs often. The others all seem okay. This is an ANEMIC engine, especially in such a heavy truck on 32" tires with 3.08 gears, but it has (documented) approx 15k miles on a rebuild of the 700R4 trans AND transfer case. My plan fro the get-go has been to build something RELIABLE, with maybe 100 h.p more, and do some axle swaps (1-tons) with a front to rear spring swap, true dual exhausts (Flowmaster 40's), and 3.73 gears with at least a posi in the rear. I'm planning to rework an OEM engine harness. Within a month of buying the truck, I bought a VERY LOW MILEAGE (68k mi) 5.7 PORT INJECTION/throttle body engine from a parted out presumably 1995 Cadillac limousine. My research has led me to believe it's a 1st Gen LT1... 265 h.p. I saw a video of iyt running before pulled and saw the digital odometer confirming the mileage. It ran very smoothly and there was no check engine light on in the dash instrument video. I basically bought this engine actually sight unseen. The price sounded right for such a low-mileage engine. The downside- the guy who pulled the engine butchered the wiring harness and failed to get the ECM from the car before it went to the crusher. Question 1) How do I determine that what I have (engine going in) is indeed a Gen 1 LT1? "Sawtooth pattern on the heads? Existence of the Optispark system? Ansence of the middle two intake bolts on each side of the intake? Any cast numbers I should look for? Question 2) What/which ECM should I use? Question 3) Is there a cam you could recommend for good low to midrange HP and torque that would give a LITTLE lope but retain good streetability and off road torque/power? (I'm NOT looking for a beast- NOT a high revving engine)... Maybe a stage 2 RV cam? Thanks again for your great videos!!!
@Mike-yq7ce
@Mike-yq7ce 2 жыл бұрын
You most likely picked up a GEN II engine. 1996 was the first year for the sawtooth heads. You'd probably be better off picking up a set of the 96 and up 5.7L Vortec heads you would also have to pick up a Vortec specific intake Edelbrock makes a TBI one for Vortec heads. Those heads alone are good for about 40 hp gain add a mild cam to the mix and that should wake your existing engine up along with switching the 3.08's to 3.73's. Would be way less headache than swapping in the Gen II. Another option would be to look for a 5.7L Vortec from a 1996 to 1998 Chevy truck, Tahoe, or Surburban along with getting the Vortec specific intake. The 5.0L/5.7L Vortec's are still a Gen I small block. The 5.7L's were factory rated at 250hp/ 330 torque with 9.5:1 compression. They can be easily made to make 400hp. Another benefit of finding that engine is in 1996 GM cast these blocks with higher nickel content and they have factory roller cam. Honestly I do not know why the Vortec heads weren't mentioned in this video. As they are better than any of the 76cc heads mentioned IMHO. The Vortec heads are basically Gen II LT1 heads that are for a Gen 1. The port design in the Vortecs were based off of the Gen II LT1 heads.
@ericchapman8956
@ericchapman8956 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a set of 041 heads that was reworked bit never ran with new 2.02 valves with screw in studs and guide plates for $300. Had the checked and theyre way good. Cant wait to put them on.
@playingwithfirehurts
@playingwithfirehurts 10 жыл бұрын
hey, great video. keep 'em coming!
@bicycle697
@bicycle697 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir! Learned a lot from your lesson on heads. I have a 72 Corvette (K model). I was thinking of pulling the engine and doing the 383 stroker thing to it. Are the stock heads worth keeping?
@bicycle697
@bicycle697 10 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking around 400hp.
@TrevorVera
@TrevorVera 9 жыл бұрын
Great video, my wife has a 71 chevelle that we plan on fixing up this year, only difference is we have a bare bone untouched 400 sbc block that we plan on building up. im not even sure where to start for a good set of heads..
@adamc8409
@adamc8409 6 жыл бұрын
I actually ran 040's on my chevelle and it flowed big time had a .510 lift cam with a 1.6 I ended up selling the car but I did keep the 040's because theyre so modified. I definitely would recommend the 040 or the 041 if you need the accessories.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
I realize u can use 305 head's it will run even better with a 350 head if everything is equal
@817093
@817093 10 жыл бұрын
Have always had good luck withe 041.
@dustintucker2
@dustintucker2 9 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see that the 993 made the list of decent heads. I just picked up a set for next to nothing for small block that is going in my 79 camaro. Question though. You say 8.5 to 9:1 compression max. Is that with stock pistons? I can achieve a 10:1 with higher comp pistons correct? I'm new to the small block scene but I've always loved them lol
@paulveenstra6305
@paulveenstra6305 2 жыл бұрын
Raced several yrs. running Hobbystocks, ran Double humps then those were outlawed and ran a lot off 993s, 882, But the best heads we found were the 441 and the 441X. These heads were what everyone wanted back in the day. Now everyone who doesn't run Crate motors run the EQ heads.
@swatson0061
@swatson0061 10 жыл бұрын
Hey man thanks for the great info.
@JRobert111111
@JRobert111111 10 жыл бұрын
Can't find your FB page, do you have a link? Great video and loved the big/small block video also. Thanks!
@MarkR-ut8jw
@MarkR-ut8jw Жыл бұрын
I built a stock 350 and used 1977 305 truck heads (small valves) and it was the smoothest running Chevy motor I ever built.
@michaeljohnston9898
@michaeljohnston9898 10 жыл бұрын
Its funny that I had the 624's on the engine I'm rebuilding. And before I started getting my self educated on these stock heads I bought a $150 pair of paper weights of craigslist. I think they were 920's or something. Great video by the way. I will definitely subscribe!
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
Yes 487 is a good casting
@ricklowrance8016
@ricklowrance8016 9 жыл бұрын
Yes sir... I do have a question but a quick catch up is inorder. I'm buying an 89' chevy pickup. 4x4 but the motor that is in it runs bad. The guy that owns it didn't go into detail. He has another motor he started building and it has been bored 30 over with new pistons installed, stock crank. He has an after market set of 906 vortex heads he wants to sell with the motor. Firstly, are those heads going to be adequate for the block and the cam is an edelbrok that produces 245ft lbs of torque. Secondly, what cam should I run to pull my 89' avalon camper but when I'm not pulling it, still have alot of hp and torque so when I hit the pedal it's there?
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
Yes its true ford and Chevy firing orders are the same if u number the cylinders the same way they are different because of the way each numbers the cylinders but the order of firing is the same
@ayebee1207
@ayebee1207 10 жыл бұрын
Sorry, Myvintageiron7512; I want to clear up your misconceived notions on firing orders. Just as Frank289100 -Troll, was wrong on firing orders, stating: LS-1 Chevy firing order was a ripoff from Ford's 351C. Now read on.......Ford's early 289 and 302Non H-O, as well as the following 255, 260, 352, 360, 390, 410, 427, 428, 429, 430, 460, 462, all have this firing order: 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8. How Ford numbers their cylinders:Passenger side bank 1-2-3-4. Drivers side bank 5-6-7-8. So that means on this group of small blocks, big blocks and Y blocks, they all have same flaw of #7 and #8 cylinders[same bank] firing in succession. Detonation/pre-ignition potential. The 302 5.0 HO, the 351 C,M,W, Small and Big blocks and the newer 4.6 and 4.7's Firing order of: 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 have flaw of #6 and #5 cylinders on same bank firing in succession[Hot spot] Small block and big block 1st Gen Chevy's 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 Firing order means that cylinders #5 and # 7 fire in succession. Zora Arkus Duntov was aware in 1958 that #7 cylinder on any little Chevy always ran [Hot]Lean.. Some dual plane trickery helped. The Chevy LS-1 has firing order of: 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3 No adjacent pair fire in succession. Better mixture distribution and better harmonics in the Intake tract. Less loads on rod and main bearings. In factory stock class in NHRA. Reverse cooling into the head[Legal- Mod] addressed some of the issues on #7 cylinder on 1st Gen Chevy. You have to run factory oem blank- Cam grind[Lift limit] per rules. If you just figured out, by what I have posted, that there maybe unlocked potential in any of the Ford or Chevy's listed above, with their cam sequence on factory index and you want to discuss options call your Cam guy. Custom grinds are stocked to address this issue. Intake and header changes are needed for changes in incoming and exiting flow.-Power lesson of the day.
@silicon212
@silicon212 10 жыл бұрын
Aye Bee The 351x, 302 HO and mod motors have the exact same firing sequence as the LSx GM engines. The written order is different due to the cylinders being different, yet the sequence is exactly the same. The thing you write about 5-6 on the Ford engine you claim is not present on the GM, but it is. The ORDER does not show this, but the SEQUENCE does. 13726548 is the exact same sequence as 54318726 (same ORDER, same SEQUENCE, different NUMBERS). Note that 3-1 on the GM are subsequent firing - this is the exact same as 6-5 on the Ford. In other words, 18726543 is also 187265431872654318726543 ... get it?
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
Aye Bee you said "Sorry, Myvintageiron7512; I want to clear up your misconceived notions on firing orders" I don't dis agree with with what you said except for the (misconceived notions) part all I said was ford and Chevy firing orders are the same if u number the cylinders the same way, you didn't even address that! the 4/7 swap cam is no secret and the flaw in the Chevy and early Ford firing order is common knowledge I was just making the point that they are the same sequence because Mr. FORD RULES THE WORLD would have a spaz attack when he realized this is true
@BigzeeeN
@BigzeeeN 10 жыл бұрын
Aye Bee thanks
@timgeorge1971
@timgeorge1971 9 жыл бұрын
I have a set of #187 heads they have been rebuilt. I also have a 1985 chevy 305 still good engine just gonna but new gaskets on. And put it in my car till o can afford a crate 350. Will my 187 heads work on the 86 305?
@killmast3r1
@killmast3r1 10 жыл бұрын
I have a set of 882s have a port and polish job on them with a set of flat tops and a moderate cam they work really well its around 380-420 crank hp and the things scream for what they are. I think they are excellent for a hot street mild strip engine on the cracking issue they really don't like to get hot but if your lucky they might not crack so just don't overheat them. just my 2 cents
@darthvader4hire
@darthvader4hire 5 жыл бұрын
great vid...about the 624 heads. they (in TBI engine) flow GREAT but they DO CRACK. and sometimes crack on the outside bolts when torque down.
@fathead8821
@fathead8821 6 жыл бұрын
GREAT VIDEO! Thank you for your valuable info.. You really helped me. I hit sub.
@southonet
@southonet 10 жыл бұрын
appreciate ya taking the time to make this. good poop!
@vulgarhyena9616
@vulgarhyena9616 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice, after watching all your chevy videos, I went the vortec route, I used 906 with edelbrock eps mani and summit carb, dude thank you thank thank you! Wow the truck pulls so hard even with a stock cam, but weird question, why would someone mismatch a 126 head one side and 441 head other side? Haha I was like hmmm these heads look different, haha maybe one was cracked and needed another and had that head? Thanks again man appreciate all your time and effort making videos!
@marcdemmon471
@marcdemmon471 Жыл бұрын
That happened to two defrant heads .rebuilt by Canada engine s I think they took off my 327
@encoencomen8361
@encoencomen8361 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing what you know. Very helpful.
@claytonprescott6154
@claytonprescott6154 7 жыл бұрын
looking for a set of heads for my 77 Chevy K10 350 comp cam hooker headers wanting power and durability what set do you recommend
@Bige4u
@Bige4u 8 жыл бұрын
The 882 arent so bad IMO, back in the mid to late 90s, i had a built .030 over 350cid 4bolt main, 4valve relief flat top piston engine, along with a combination of other performance enhancers(all motor, no spray) in a street/strip driven '75 chevelle and it helped produce consistant 14.40s @ 96mph in the 1/4mile. Now granted, for what im about to tell you would be considered a waste in yours as well as everyone elses oppinion and i am inclined to agree, but i had these same heads thoroughly checked, then ported and polished, rocker stud bosses milled for screw in studs, SS 1.94int/1.60exh valves along with new springs/locks/retainers and valve seals to use with a hydraulic flat tappet camshaft. Now dont be too harsh on me, it was my very 1st high performance engine build, so i experimented some with what i had atm and it appeared to have worked out for me in the end. But i did upgrade to much better aftermarket heads later on for a better performance to price ratio... rumor has it, even when using all the wrong parts, chevy engines still make great power. lol
@stevenvanheel3932
@stevenvanheel3932 5 жыл бұрын
Bige4u you had basically the exact engine I do. 882 heads and 4 valve relief flat top pistons. It has less than 5000 miles on it and I paid $50 for the fully dressed engine lol.
@chizkiyahu2010
@chizkiyahu2010 7 жыл бұрын
Great Video lots of great info I am checking my heads now looking for my best.
@carolinaalbrecht1565
@carolinaalbrecht1565 5 жыл бұрын
Outstanding information! Thank you so much, good job!
@Eastern67
@Eastern67 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man .. lots of useful info
@3rdGenGuy
@3rdGenGuy 10 жыл бұрын
I have a set of 14096217 heads 64cc chambers intake 1.94 valves. came in a 285-300HP GM crate crate 350. are these worth porting and using on a 350?
@graham2631
@graham2631 2 жыл бұрын
I had good success with 305 4 barrel heads on 350's. But I've found most if not all factory chev heads were mass produced with no attention to casting detail. Without a flow bench leave the runner alone but hog out the valve pocket and smooth out the pocket (think water flowing) the larger volume in the pocket helps draw air down the runner and is helped by the removal of sharp edges. All you need is a die grinders and a steady hand. Take a junk head and see how much can be removed first if uncertain.
@ALABAMAHEADHUNTER
@ALABAMAHEADHUNTER 7 жыл бұрын
I agree on the 624 being junk . I also am an engine machinist . Recently I built a 1980 Corvette engine that had 624s on it they came from GM with 2.02 / 1.6 valves and studs and guide plates . This was one of the few sets that I have seen that wasn't cracked .
@Black2001pt
@Black2001pt 7 жыл бұрын
Were your 624 heads 458624 or 462624 are both prone to cracking is one safer than the other?
@sidebite252
@sidebite252 10 жыл бұрын
We've built about a dozen IMCA modified SBC and I can tell you the 041 angled milled and ported has performed as good as any of the 061, 062 or 882. David Visser wrote a book on SBC and head work that explains how to get the most out of these heads. As David says in his book "I don't have an opinion, I have a dyno." The Dyno don't lie.
@johnalarcon5006
@johnalarcon5006 Жыл бұрын
Did you have those heads machined for angled spark plugs , because they didn't come from the factory like that, the only head offered with angled plugs was the 492 heads !
@johnalarcon5006
@johnalarcon5006 Жыл бұрын
Bench flow testing works well too!
@johnalarcon5006
@johnalarcon5006 Жыл бұрын
The 041 heads had a triangle on them as I have a pair in my garage!!!!! Hell I have many of these heads in my garage
@randalltucker8411
@randalltucker8411 Жыл бұрын
@@johnalarcon5006 best of my recall all the heads we worked with were straight plugs not angled. We did use a small pop up piston with the 041 & 882 but ran flat tops on the double humps. The results were significantly better than stock.
@randalltucker8411
@randalltucker8411 Жыл бұрын
@@johnalarcon5006 I bet they do but we were just a couple of rednecks and we flow tested ours on the track. My guess is we increased our HP by 40+?
@shaadydog1
@shaadydog1 4 жыл бұрын
You should do a another vid covering the "292" turbo and the Phase 1 "034" and Phase 2 "034" heads
@joecancel4765
@joecancel4765 8 ай бұрын
Love my 292 angle plug heads...
@americanfreedom1
@americanfreedom1 3 жыл бұрын
Seen a 396 bbc build you did. You talked about how wd40 is recommended for ring seating. I built a 40 over large journal 327 with true forged ft pistons, moly coated top ring and iron for 2nd. I used assembly lube on my rist pin area and ofcourse the r&b bearings but i only sprayed wd40 on my cylinders and the pistons and rings during assembly. No oil coating of the the cylinder or pistons and rings. That was maybe 4000 miles ago. 81 Malibu 410 posi, built turbo 350 and i run it hard. It does not smoke ever and it does not use oil. I know of some builds that didn't seat in as good as mine and i believe it's because the wd40 isn't as slick or oily and allows for proper seating. I think you said that's actually what it does and i can confirm it most definitely does. Just did a 60 over steoker same way but haven't had time to drive it yet, only break in the old Elgin 3030 solid that i put in it with a shaved set of 041x haeds. Should've bought name brand aluminum heads because i ended up with probably 850.00 in setting up mine.
@mr.rm250rodneylynn8
@mr.rm250rodneylynn8 5 жыл бұрын
Your spot on with your information! Good job! 👍
@SantiAparicio
@SantiAparicio 7 жыл бұрын
hey man. i have a 89 camaro iroc 5.7 l98 n was wondering if those heads come out to be good?
@simonflores3410
@simonflores3410 7 жыл бұрын
fixing to remove cylinder head on a 94 5.7 chey trk. if i do find casting no624 which othe rnumber should i look for like your vedios
@dbruce3254
@dbruce3254 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video. Appears I'm a bit late to the game as this was made a few years ago. Question. You suggested the 3987(041), but I can't seem to find that casting in any cross reference. I could find a 3947(041). Is that casting still considered one of the "best" in your opinion? I'm building an 85 K10 for a daily driver and light towing.
@paulmanzyuk
@paulmanzyuk 7 жыл бұрын
I dont know how i end up in this video. But i find it very informative. Thums up.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
487X is a pretty good head same as 993
@GnarshredProductions
@GnarshredProductions 5 жыл бұрын
is there anything special about the X at the end? Got a used set of 461X heads all machined with new guides and screw in rocker studs/guide plates for cheap off craigslist from a guy and wondering if they are anything special.
@GnarshredProductions
@GnarshredProductions 5 жыл бұрын
@Hugh O'Brien vortec head should be a much better head due to the port being taller the airflow is more direct to the valve it doesn't have to turn as much. Same reason why the LS heads flow so much better. It's not all about the size of the port but also the shape and how direct the flow path is. Im gonna be running a twin turbo blow through carb on e85 on small block 350 should make some wicked big power and fly like a rocket in my datsun 260z
@ckane510
@ckane510 3 жыл бұрын
462 was also a “ camel hump” head. 2.02 intake 1.50 exhaust and screw in studs.
@johnalarcon5006
@johnalarcon5006 Жыл бұрын
I have many sets of these heads 462,461, 291, ect , I have a set of 462 on my 72 vette that someone else installed , however the 462 didn't come with screw in studs, at least mine didn't, now the 492 did come with screw in studs and push rod guide plates but this was a performance head part number 3987376, from Chevrolet but discontinued in 1991 , in the early 70s the 492 head was available with angled spark plugs part number 336746 this was only available from Chevrolet for a short time and was never installed on a production vehicle. I'm definitely not saying I know everything about these head but I know plenty, Alot of what I know iv researched this and talked to many old timers that used these heads!
@michaelwillcutt2619
@michaelwillcutt2619 Жыл бұрын
Actually the was 2.02 intakes an 1. 94 exhaust valve an didn’t have screw in studs
@shawntailor5485
@shawntailor5485 Жыл бұрын
462 s are what I wanted ,I built up a set of 461 s , they do pretty well.
@shawntailor5485
@shawntailor5485 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelwillcutt2619 no chevy head EVER had 1.94 exhaust valves . The biggest was 1.84.
@Area51ky
@Area51ky 7 жыл бұрын
Ok so I have a extreme budget build 5.7black block remanufactured .040 over that was given to me running had head gasket go bad or head not sure .purchased a pair 882 head date code 73&74 $100 have no idea of cam or stroke had to replace flex plate and found it to be the small crank with no external counter balance. pulls good runs ok .
@jamesoutlaw2043
@jamesoutlaw2043 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great info. Have a 64 Chevelle with a 350. I'll know what to look for when checking my heads.
@stclairstclair
@stclairstclair 5 жыл бұрын
James Outlaw I think that block also had the extra bolt hole in the side for clutch linkage, I remember selling one of these and my uncle bitching about it
@TheManfromNibiru
@TheManfromNibiru 7 жыл бұрын
350! Good Motor !
@wvangus82
@wvangus82 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this info! Very helpful! What are your thoughts on stock vortec heads off a 96-00 5.7 liter truck engine? I have a tbi 5.7 converted to carburetor in my 87 Monte. I wanted to change to vortec heads and a L82 corvette cam, and keep it carbureted. I'm running a spreadbore holley 650 dp on a quadrajet intake. It does great up to 3500rpms then after 35k rpms it just kinda runs out of power. HELP!!
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
Vortec heads are a great idea also you need more cam and carb for that engine 650 cfm is a little small for a 350 with vortec heads
@wvangus82
@wvangus82 10 жыл бұрын
Myvintageiron7512 Thanks a bunch! I'm glad you replied because I tend to be scared I'm going to use too big of a carburetor. I should probably get me a better intake too. I really appreciate it man!
@66ElCamino357
@66ElCamino357 Жыл бұрын
I finally found what I was looking for, my 350 has 993 heads so this tutorial is very helpful...THANK YOU
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@Transient901
@Transient901 Жыл бұрын
041 was from 68-70 350 300 HP engine and were fitted with 1.94 in valves, 186 was specific to 302/350 LT1 and generally featured screw in studs and guide plates and 2.02 in valves. Both heads used 1.6 ex valves. As with everything in this era there were random variations that I can only attribute to using what was on hand to fill small gaps in production runs. We saw 041 heads machined for screw in studs and guide plates and 186 heads that were not. 186 for the most part had 2.02 intakes, 041 were again for the most part 1.94s Machining the 1.94 seat can quickly and easily be opened up to accept 2.02s. The 882 was the first real attempt at a lighter weight head and is also prone to cracking. I enjoyed your video. Good work.
@Transient901
@Transient901 Жыл бұрын
If my memory serves me correctly, the 68 350 with 041 heads was rated at 295 hp. There were also A LOT of anomalies in 67 to 68 transition from small journal to big journal crankshafts and blocks and accessory holes in the heads.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
I realize there are alot of other castings I wanted to deal with some of the common stock heads
@paul44235
@paul44235 4 жыл бұрын
Does this correlate to 351w ?
@paul44235
@paul44235 4 жыл бұрын
I'm looking for a good 351w head. Budget heads for a street Mustang 351w. RHS with a decent cam? I'm open to iron heads.
@paul44235
@paul44235 4 жыл бұрын
By the way I LOVE your channel!
@claudinhovas
@claudinhovas 9 жыл бұрын
Hey, I'm building up a 327 sbc with 416 heads, comp cams 1800-5800 camshaft, flat top 4valve relief hypereutectic pistons. I had another 327 with 601 heads and had to run 95 octane gas with it. Had good torque on the bottom end though. I'll check out the cc's ohf the 416's and let you know.
@cliffwright9842
@cliffwright9842 9 жыл бұрын
Claudio Vasquez the 14014416 sbc head is a 305ci light casting head, '80 to '84 . 58cc chambers and huge 220cc intake runs. with replacing the 1.84 intake w/ 1.94s and some minimal intake port work, you'll see when you line up a new intake gasket over the bolt holes, you've got some budget high perf. heads. and unlike some light castings, the 416's are not prone to cracking. the junk yards are just now finding gold in their old iron...
@claudinhovas
@claudinhovas 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Cliff Wright​ thanks for your comments man. I really appreciate it. Let's stay in touch. I'm doing the port work by my own. Rgds.
@cliffwright9842
@cliffwright9842 8 жыл бұрын
nastyz28.com notes 416 head is a 305/350 app. and isprone to cracking which is not as bad as the head Sean on myvintageiron mentioned.Summit Racing uses this head on there 325 hp 350 crate mtr.
@richardheyduck9953
@richardheyduck9953 5 жыл бұрын
Claudio Vasquez )
@garyjacques6139
@garyjacques6139 8 жыл бұрын
you were my teacher years ago. I am know in the oil field building v16 Detroit engines (MTU) making great money.
@shawntailor5485
@shawntailor5485 Жыл бұрын
I have a time proven trick for putting accessory holes in camel humps ,built mine at western parts in 92 and they still run strong got modern alternate on my 72 chevelle . 310 stroker ,10.35 to one . Way over cammed her but, now sheS well worn and just PERRRRRFECT . Deck plate bore is a must !if you want her to last .
@edlopez7206
@edlopez7206 7 жыл бұрын
THANKS ALOT
@Daniel-sz2ru
@Daniel-sz2ru 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this video
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 7 жыл бұрын
your welcome
@bhlonsdale
@bhlonsdale 6 жыл бұрын
Love your channel! Always very informative. I have a 327 that based on the casting marks looks like it has 041 heads on it. Why would the previous owner have done this?
@mattv8919
@mattv8919 3 жыл бұрын
i also have a 3782870 327 with 041 heads. i wonder the same thing myself .
@jeffrey4547
@jeffrey4547 5 жыл бұрын
i have a set of camel humps one set is the 202 angle plug ported to 204 water and oil ports ported and intake and exhaust were ported other is stock 194 heads got both for free but we give stuff to each other all the time on his birthday i give him a perfect body 57 pu it took 3 years collecting the perfect parts 55 grill with the 57 hood his dream truck when i give it to him all he could do is smile watching him try to talk was well worth it he watched me build it the hole time drooling over it never new it was for him
@thecliffster2k
@thecliffster2k 9 жыл бұрын
I currently purchased a 67 El Camino with a Mexican Target master engine. CR is 7:1 on a good day. What do you think of the fastburn heads as a replacement along with a .015 head gasket to get my CR to possibly 9:1. Pistons are dished but I didn't measure. Suggestions.
@rebelhowell8629
@rebelhowell8629 10 жыл бұрын
What about the 883 heads? The racers around here used to look high and low for those.
@ronaldreed7698
@ronaldreed7698 6 жыл бұрын
Rebel Howell my couson and his buddies ran them too,
@free14him
@free14him 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot brother...very informative. looking forward to more research into your videos.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@silicon212
@silicon212 2 ай бұрын
Another set of heads that are in the 041/186 type are the 3891492 - "492" head. These are basically the same as the 462 heads (camel hump) with the bolt holes on the end. They also still have the camel hump mark. I ran a set of those on a built 350 from 1993 to 2012. Fantastic heads.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 10 жыл бұрын
Thats in part 2
@nathanw.1048
@nathanw.1048 3 жыл бұрын
Oddly enough I have the 624s on my 86 trans am and I have overheated that engine to the end of the thermostat muuuultiple times, I flog the hell out of it and it seems to flow pretty well with 2.02/1.94 valves and they're perfectly fine with at least 200k on em. I must be infinitely lucky
@duaneschultz9230
@duaneschultz9230 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video. I really appreciate it. God bless you and your family. Duane.
@Pull_It_Apart_Paul_Ham_CB
@Pull_It_Apart_Paul_Ham_CB 10 жыл бұрын
We'll done, enjoyed it, I have not viewed a more informative video about casting nopumbers
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