Nice video, Stefan! We get lots of questions comparing our turbo kit to others, so it's great to hear some input from another Miata specialty shop that has experience dealing with multiple turbo kits for Miatas. Just to address some of the questions and comments here: 1. Yes! We do have an updated version of our turbo manifold available for 1.8L engines (1.6L version coming soon!). It's sexier, is 2.5lbs. lighter and flows 24% better than the "old" design shown in your video, and they are even Cerakoted now! You can see more pictures and details about it in our NA8 and NB Stage 1 Turbo Kit listings (I'd share the link, but KZfaq will auto-delete this comment). 2. Our Stage 1 Turbo kits for the NA/NB Miatas do include a piggyback controller that we developed in-house. The piggyback controller wires in alongside the stock ECU to adjust fueling during boost. This is the only way to add fueling during boost reliably to retain CARB legality. Aftermarket standalone ECUs will never be able to pass any official state or federal emissions testing when it comes down to the letter of the law. 3. The NA6 (1990-93) version of our Stage 1 Turbo Kit usually makes about 160ish whp, but the 1.8L engines can make more - especially the NB variants. Check out the dyno chart listed in the pictures of our NB Stage 1 Turbo Kit on our website - some of the healthier NB engines are making nearly 200whp! 4. And yes, we fully admit that we've had trouble keeping inventory for our Stage 1 Turbo Kits for the last year and some change. We are very sorry for all of the delays! However, we have worked with a few of our manufacturers (and switched to a few new ones) in an effort to get kits back on the shelf ASAP. Fortunately, we're making good progress and we're now focusing on ironing out some of the wrinkles to make full steam ahead. We're actually planning on having more Stage 1 Turbo Kits in stock around the end of January or early February of 2024, so things are looking up! Thank you all so much for your patience and understanding! Thanks again for the great video, Stefan! Keep up the great work! 👍😃👍

Thanks for the video! Two quick comments, I think Flyin Miata just updated their turbo manifold. To the layman's eye, it looks a lot like Kraken's now. Second, and this is probably not as important to most who decide to take on the install themselves, but with limited mechanical experience, the biggest benefit to buying FM's kit for me was their tech support and install videos.

Loving the uploads my guy. Very knowledgeable and educational. Keep up the great work

Loving the videos recently! You pack so much info into these 20 min videos. making me wanna turbo my car right now LOL

Great video as usual. This is making me feel pretty good about my recent purchase of a Kraken kit.

Very nice video! Been running a full Kraken exhaust on my 1.6

Thanks so much for the thoughtful video. Didn’t really know I needed it until I started watching; I’m knee-deep in an Exocet build and am new to the Miata subculture, so trying to absorb as much as I can. Based on what I’m looking for, the FM kit is likely the direction I’m going to go, but it’s great to know there’s a 100% legit alternative.

Sorry bro for the MIA but its great to see your still doing good ! love the videos and love your facebook post.

I was pretty skepctical with the Kraken injectors aswell, its been more than a month since mine got tuned, and they work flawlessly. Also the guy is the nicest dude ever, always helped me out instantly.

Love these detailed comparison videos! I hope you do the same for Garrett vs Borg Warner EFR vs new Garrett G25! 🐌

I KNEW you'd pick the Kraken!!!! Just a gut feeling right from the start of the vid

STOP THE PRESSES!!!! You're showing the old Flyin' Miata manifold. They have NEW manifolds and down pipes that are supposed to flow way more than the old manifolds without changing the inlet/outlet location. That means you can upgrade the manifold without changing anything else. AND they're Cerakoted! Oh, and they're pounds lighter. Check them out.

Awesome video, love my kraken kit, for me I went with Kraken because of availability and pricing.

Killed this!!

Great comparison video. Really appreciate your take. I'd love to put a FM Turbo kit on my NA. Unfortunately, they've been out of stock forever.

Excellent video! I have the FM kit and am building up an engine with a Kraken EFR kit in the shelf. FM kit is awesome. I am in an emissions state and my FM kit passes without issue. Only complaints are the limitations of the Garrett 2560, and the challenges running the charge pipe from the turbo to intercooler. The 2560 is an excellent turbo, well sized, but for those bitten by the more power bug it becomes a hurdle. The unique outlet on the 2560 limits doing an in-place upgrade, at least without modifying the turbo outlet pipe and potentially the downpipe. A G series super core using the 2560 exhaust housing may be an option, but I'm wary of mixing generations and any internal or external clearance issues that may cause. In my FM application, the only route I could make for the charge pipe from the turbo to intercooler runs up against the bolt for the upper control arm. The sharp edge of the control arm was quickly cutting through that pipe. I armored it with rubber hose, which in that tight space was a challenge itself. The Kraken kit I picked up will use the factory hole behind the driver's headlight, leaving me an intake problem I'll need to solve. More to come on how it comes together in my builder Miata. The 3" exhaust is gorgeous, i cant wait to finish building it and see how it runs.

I definitely like these videos. I have a love for Miatas and definitely love my old school BP engine. Yes I'm naturally asperated, but I like the sound and torquey nature of them in a light car, and the fact that mine is still running after about half a million miles and still gets equal compression within 2 psi on all 4 cylinders. I love learning about all the things that can be done with this motor, and might actually think about doing something like this one day. Like I said, I still have a completely stock setup with no turbo. There's still a distributor on my exhaust cam. Not exactly a race car, but still plenty of fun to drive and the longevity is amazing. I've thought about maybe bumping it up to 200 horsepower one day, so this stuff is interesting to learn more about. Thank you for these awesome and informative videos.❤

I’ve been on a CX Racing kit for about 4 years now. Motor is pretty healthy still. On 8psi. The turbo takes a while to spool but nonetheless makes a reliable 210hp on a conservative tune. Really want to switch to a kraken kit in the future now. Thanks for the video!

I have a bit of both worlds and my current set up is the kraken turbo kit but with the flying Miata silicone hoses and I love it keeps everything tucked away and looks great in the engine bay :)

Been watching your videos the past couple of days and subscribed tonight. In this video you said you weren't going into it, but can you please - in a future video - go into detail about the low mount Kraken kit?

First! Loving the regular content!

Having installed a kraken, and driven a kraken, I can say without a doubt the kraken kit is best. Especially paired with godly 1.6. Mines a low mount kit though, which is just superior to everything else. That's why Greg Peters had to copy my build

Those are some beautiful engines 😍I'd like to know your thoughts on the Kraken low mount, that's the one I've been eyeing from my brief research.

I have the FM kits on both my 1.6’s. I’m in California so I have to deal with smog testing. Beside the fact these pass smog testing. The kits are just so complete. They supply every last nut and bolt you need to install their kit. The instructions are easy to follow. Installation ease is a 10/10 for the FM kits.

Awesome video, really enjoyed the comparison format! With properly sized turbo, would the kraken kit retaining ac/ps flow enough to support ~400whp?

Any one other than me running the MK turbo kit? Has been good on my 1.8 for 3 years and about 15k miles with a few track days. I plan to reuse it ( to start) on my new build BP4W going in this winter. Old setup on a stock engine made 231hp with the cheap ebay turbo. Love the videos

For anyone that's curious, I would like to add that I have a kraken manifold and downpipe on a garret 2860rs no power steering no ac and I did not have to clearance the engine bay near the shock tower. It was a very close fit but I was able to make it work with the turbo pointed downwards, milage may vary depending on turbo size but it is possible

I run a Kraken hotside (manifold + downpipe) along with the Kraken 3 inch v-band exhaust. I use FlyinMiata's cold side intercooler kit that fits up still nice and no kinks (I don't have AC and PS). I use FM turbo lines.

I love my kraken set up on my 1.6. I pieced my turbo kit together. I used the kraken top mount manifold with the 3 inch down pipe. Turbo is a GT2860R

Nice video... May i ask what is needed to get the valve cover (and vvt bulge) to this polished finish? Is it done by a shop or by you. Also after polishing, is it clearcoated? Thanks again for all the nice videos you upload!

I ran kraken low-mount on my compound setup and it was great.. fitment and mounting it had some issues which i think is resolved now, the cast neck for the downpipe must be a dream (the stainless long downpipe was really not great to install) but everything has very good quality from my experience.. the lowmount demanded the cut on the side aswell as cutting of an ear from the block iirc .. but really awesome kit.. boost around 3-3.5 with a Garret 2860r gen2 turbo, full boost before 4k.. the full 3" exhaust was also awesome, with the magnaflow option it was even not that loud in NA-setup (with oem header), although i had to make an "adapter-pipe" to fit. I think FM is a bit more pnp, but if you want to develop your car further the kraken is really high quality.. haven't compared price though?

been meaning to buy a kraken. I have an MS3 and O2 sensor already...significant part of the cost taken care of.

My thoughts on the FM kit I installed: 1) I would prefer an aluminum line from the turbo to the intercooler. The air is hotter that the engine bay, so an aluminum IC pipe would emit heat. Silicone from IC to TB makes sense, because you do not water to reheat the air. 2) I was not able to get the the silicone IC line turbo-IC to not touch the silicone coolant line. No problem so far, but they touch. 3) This one is my fault. I ported every part the air touches from the filter adapter sleeve to the exhaust, and also added a DW fuel pump and professionally cleaned injectors. It also has 84mm pistons and fancy valves. The Voodoo box is not able to perfect the fuel/air ratio with this set up and it is really rich below 4.5k rpms. It makes great power up high though. 4) The FM site shows a dyno graph of their kit making just shy of 200hp on a '99 car, so hp levels are model year dependent. 5) When the Voodoo box is reading boost, the system goes into open loop. This means you can't cheat and use the 01-05 injectors in a 99 for example-- though they work fine without boost. Overall, it is a great kit with great fitment and great customer service, but if you are trying to use the Voodoo box, don't change anything that significantly affects airflow or fuel flow.

i had a supercharger and track dog intercooler in one of mine, loved the whine of the SC and the instant go, and was making 215rwhp at the wheels, but never could get the gremlins worked out and had idle issues. It was stupid fast and i loved it, but i threw away the gas mileage benefits of the miata, mainly because nobody can keep their foot off the floor. These days I stick with stock NA platform but would be interested in beefing up a NA engine to get more power

Nice video! Do you have any experience/thoughts on the TD04 based kits that seem to be the popular thing over here in Europe?

Recently installed my kraken kit. Only thing i would disagree, is kraken is a little less plug and play than flying miata for a couple of minor things. Mostly if you have the 7 inch inter cooler the power steering cooling line is in the way and you ll have to unbolt it and tie rap it up. For fitting the turbo into the car with the manifold mounted with rhe turbo in one assembly you dont need to cut the engine bay chassis you can just unbolt that side motor mount and jack the engine or have someone tug on the engine from passenger side to fit the manifold Also if you took the option without ac but with power steering, (turbo pointing down)the power steering rubber hose at the top will need to be "uncomfortably" put out of the way or you'll have to snake around a new hose You cant reuse any splash guards so you'll need to do new duckting. And my kit came with a wrong size clamp for compressor outlet Sometimes the kit will comme with missing things or uncorect things. The quality controll is not the best but bare in mind its a almost one man operation Also the intake adaptor flange i got was jenkly made compared to what i saw in other kits felt like home made after thought which it was. You'll also need to make your own gasket for that. The exhaust also seems to not be back putged for any readon? But it will be tough enough and its not like you will feed clean water trough it. Just dont be suprized if there's some crustiness inside the exhaust. Other than that the kit is really nice, it looks like i dont like it but i really do! You'll receive different fittings and hardware depending on what deals he has on stock at the time.

Thanks so much for doing this video. When reaching for 300+ whp isn't the Garrett GBC22-350 a better option over the 2560R? I saw a video where the owner swapped out his FM manifold for the Kraken and picked up around 23 whp.

Consider a follow up video comparing the advantages and disadvantages of a top mount setup and low mount setup

Would love to see one of these comparison videos for miata clutch kits on the market. There are a bunch of options and can be tough to determine which is best under what application.

Thanks for the video! Any experience with the EFRs on the Kraken kit and how the driving experience compares to the Garrett options?

Really really good video. My question is: can I change the garrett gt2560r with gbc22-350 in kraken kit?

Any rumors when FM is going to have an NC turbo kit? I'd also love to know how their Voodoo management board works in between the stock ECU and how it works. With the Kraken kit, I think you can take it apart and clock it just like the FM if you want to run your IC pipe straight down. What ECU do you use on the Kraken?

Excellent video, great comparison. Thanks. Hey, if I am just looking for more power for my 1.6, what would you recommend outside of a turbo?

Kraken high mount is best for track. Excellent accessibility when you need to work on the car. 330whp BP @15psi

Low Mount Kraken on mine, flows great but what a bastard to fit the piping. Those Funk Motorsports turbo jackets are the dog's though

Would love to see a dyno comparison of these. Same engine just swapping the kits.

Hi, I own a mx5 na and want to turbo it. What should I buy to get just over 200hp and keep the ac and power stearing?

Interesting on the clearance. I have a NA8 with kraken top mount and didn't have to clearance anything. 2560 turbo.

I currently own a FM S1 on my NA8 and I've gotten to the point where I'm thinking of purchasing the Kraken side mount w/ full 3" exhaust- just because there aren't a lot of options for pre-fab'd 3" systems. Really a bummer on FM's part and makes me think I should've went w/ Kraken from the beginning. I also get a bit of boost creep w/ their 2560R- but that may be because I'm in the PNW. Their intercooler piping also doesn't allow various BOV optioning- I get they're trying to be Carb leagal- but it should still be an option if someone's willing to dump 4k+ on their setup.

would love to know or possibly see what bolts you use when building ur motor and how you paint the block etc etc

How similar is the turbo mounting location between the two kits? I agree the FM intake is nicer, think it would work with the Kraken manifold?

What do you think about a fab9tuning manifold and down pipe pared with a Borg Warner EFR 7163 turbo on a stock motor with a ms3 pro on a 99 bp4w?

I didn't have to clearance anything in my engine bay when installing my Kraken top mount... Does this possibly have to do with engine mount height?

Will the 3” Kraken exhaust bolt up to the FM kit. With the new FM exhaust manifold, seems this might be the best performing setup. Or, will the FM intercooler kit with silicon hoses, bolts right up to the Kraken kit?

Thank you! But how'd you get that german plate back there at the wall? 😅

I think the FM kit is amazing, but their supply chain hasn't recovered since COVID, making their kits unobtainium.

What about standalone ec units? I built mine back in the day it’s a 95 I have a tec3 electromotive unit and I’m looking to do some upgrades! Does Holly EFI make a system for the Miata? What would you recommend?

im planning on getting a low mount kraken with a gtx 2867R gen2, any light on similar setups would be much appreciated

Any experience in regards to quality and reliability of the manifolds in a road race environment? Cracking or warping? What studs will the manifolds accept, 8mm or 10mm?

Any particular reason you don’t like the ISR turbo kit?? For the common Miata owner, and budget friendly kit, it’s a phenomenal kit, just curious if you have any experience with them

You can order the Kraken kit to bolt to stock exhaust location. 2.5" with 2 bolt flange. I have it.

What do you thing about GBC 22- 350. I still make my research about it. Is it better than GT 2560? And is it OK because is only oil cooled?

Is there a specific manual 5 or 6 speed transmission or transmission upgrade kit used to handle the extra power the engines are producing?

I have a full kraken kit, with a gt2554. My turbo outlet points down? With their supplied piping. No need for cutting the frame or anything. Have mazda comp engine mounts.

The Kraken looks like it sits more toward the front of the vehicle. Does it? If so, how much?

Anyone know if this motor is Mazda's take on the 4A-ge/cosworth BDA 1.6?

Big question for me, could you buy the flyin Miata kit and then buy just the kraken downpipe elbow to give you the best of both worlds?

Does yhe intercooler kit for kraken non AC/PS point down?

How easily can these kits be modified for a mazda b2300 2.3l truck?

what do you do about tuning and the ecu

Yes I have a 95 Mazda Miata 1.8 NA and I want to try to do a turbo 300 horsepower where do I need to start at I have an engine block and a crankshaft that's it

Super informative , i live upstate NY and realize miatas are not for me , I am aware that 160 Hp in lightweight car is more then many would expect to be fun but wouldnt go Through the costs associated with taking advatnage of the tremendously low weight of these cars as platform as thetr is no free lunch with them if you live in a State like NY . Its a shame that there is no easy way to add power to these cars and by power I mean something around 200 -220 for a giant killer for back roads of which are endless up here that wpi;d also has very surprising levels of shove based on power to weight that 220 HP would afford before you end up so traction limited its not fun . Either way or whatecer model year the gross amount of power you can get for adding a turbo per $ ratio as new yorker is a bummer no matter how much fun the end situatiion is . If you dont have to pay somebody to wrench for you and can piece stuff together perhaps but its for people with a few bucks who are extremely comitted to this particular cars charms . Its a drag considering the potential to start with such low weight . But NY are the champs of beuracracy , restricting fun and ,making things inordinantly expensive . Such a shame mazda didnt make it easier some how , theres no real way around it . I enjoy slow cars fast and will have wait until current 181 HP variant is cheap enough and settle for a stock car with some minor tweaks and tires . Very helpful to clue me in though and stop the wondering .

Unfortunately for 00-99 cars the FM kit isn't carb legal.

Kraken kit is also cheaper. Even with the full 3” v band exhaust.

Will a coolant reroute will effect either setup?

I've heard the krakken flows a lot better if you're shooting for over 250hp

I prefer the engine on the left!😂

Too bad the FM kit is perpetually out of stock, more expensive, and the DIY kit option without their Voodoo Box fuel management was discontinued.

There very different kits Also FM is actually emissions legal

Flyin miata is nice but man they never have any kits

the heroin turbo is better than the crack one

Does the FM turbo kit even exist? It's literally always out of stock.

Neither kit being twin scroll manifold is bad. Twin scroll makes turbo spool 500-1000rpm earlier and is not much different to cast manifold as. It’s a real shame/ bit of a waste.

Rotrex supercharger time

We Prefer kraken

BuT WhAT aBouT IsR??? Lol It being emissions compliant is probably the reason why my wife will ok it. Lol