... and that's why you increase your airspeed when thermaling, and increase it more when the thermals are strong or the air is more lively/turbulent.
@whisperingeagle2 жыл бұрын
Very good information.
@martind5596 Жыл бұрын
So you don’t fly at min sink speed in thermals?
@GeoffreyRutledge Жыл бұрын
@@martind5596 Not if it's turbulent and the lift is strong. Especially in a rigid wing.
@ecoturismovalle15702 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation, maneuvering, video quality...even glider/harness color combination. I am glad you are safe
@tommybryson231111 ай бұрын
Nice flying . Liked your top landing..
@garym22132 жыл бұрын
That was a "pucker factor" of 10 out of 10. What a well done video. Scary way to test out the airworthiness and integrity of the modern gliders.
@zayamichael2 жыл бұрын
This helps calibrate me for Mission. Thanks for sharing! Nice work on the production and recovering going over the hard edge water fall.
@carsonc1272 Жыл бұрын
One time I found myself in that exact spot. It was just like someone sat on my nose. I held a neutral bar position as my nose quickly pointed straight at the ground. My instinct was to push out but somehow I realized in the moment that it probably would have made me tumble. Even though I was pointed straight at the ground and falling fast I didn't have any airspeed! As airspeed came back I kept the nose pointed at the ground and then came out of the dive. It was ripping that day.
@sohamhanggliding Жыл бұрын
That was the right thing to do! Modern gliders are very stable and recover on their own.
@Scorpion05Nov8 ай бұрын
🙏🏽
@George.Andrews.Ай бұрын
Well held sir.
@TheCutrinano6 ай бұрын
Greetings from Spain. a very enjoyable video. I also went through that type of situation...and others much worse. Even with knowledge of meteorology, these things are inevitable. Nothing worrying at that height...and maybe some of us like those things. I remember how much fun I had once in the Spanish Pyrenees when one of those "shears" managed to make my feet hit the wing sail....well I don't know but I liked it... A hug and happy flights.
@sohamhanggliding4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience! Yes, they are part of hang gliding unless you only choose to fly smooth conditions.
@airmagic2199Ай бұрын
Hahaha!!!! Sick Bastard
@aviatorjames2 жыл бұрын
Nice job Soham!! ...thanks for the great video too!
@BariFPV2 жыл бұрын
Dang that nose over! And your honesty "fly away with my tail between my legs". This was nuts! Totally nuts! Few weeks ago, I experienced some choppy air in PA and couple of other pilots, it was extreme by our standards as one nearly threw me into a spin but this was INSANE! HAPPY FEET I bet touching the ground.
@airmagic2199Ай бұрын
Valuable Lessons. Great Content. Really enjoyed that Diablo flight as well.
@manodoceu32222 жыл бұрын
Ohhhh yeaah, very interisting video, didatic!! 🤩🤘 Thanks for flight recorder
@pkskyter2 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I flew a paraglider there whilst visiting SF on several occasions. The last time, yeah, it got pretty bumpy there. Great site though :-)
@ecclesheat2 жыл бұрын
Yeah over the falls, they get worse. You learn to feel them coming.
@11rightstuff Жыл бұрын
Been in a similar thermal drop off. Not fun. Thanks for sharing. Looks like a great site👍
@cdnskydog4 ай бұрын
Nice video Soham. I like that camera angle. Glad that You are OK. Best Wishes Skydog Bob Grant
@garrykennedy54842 жыл бұрын
WOW,, That was a thermal cliff face you fell off of. Glad it worked out for you. I would have to empty out my harness after that one. LOL
@davewolfe51692 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing and the explanation
@StepanZubashev2 жыл бұрын
In the rough condition I always grab the VG rope to make me able to loose it instantly when needed. I make a loop with the rope around my finger. And sometimes when happens I release VG right away. Also I wouldn't fly with 3\4+ VG in the rough air, because it's too dangerous.
@BariFPV2 жыл бұрын
But mate, who could anticipate such a nose dive? Just no reaction time to let loose the VG. It was incredibly quick.
@StepanZubashev2 жыл бұрын
@Bari FPV You know, there's a reason why so many pilots fly with a VG rope wrapped around their finger. Exactly because of this - such things can happen too abruptly and too quickly. And you wouldn't have time to react, to think... If you at least managed to cancel VG it would help you a lot.
@BariFPV2 жыл бұрын
@@StepanZubashev I agree, I am not disagreeing but it was a split second thing do you think we can react this fast? If you notice Soham's posture hardly even changed. He got pushed over the bar just barely and when the glider came back up he hardly moved. So based on that I was saying even if we were anticipating such an event the reaction time isn't enough to release the VG. You could perhaps dial it down already if the air is super turbulent, just my thought.
@StepanZubashev2 жыл бұрын
@@BariFPV Yeah, I got it. It was fast. You may not react fast enough to avoid this dive, but... The dive might be just a beginning. Just for instance, many years ago I was flying straight in -5 m\s with 4/4 VG. At some point I got myself into an abrupt dive... dunno, maybe -8 m\s. I figured out it wouldn't end up well.. but I did nothing... So at some point the gliders stopped diving and started pitching fiercely. I couldn't do anything because the glider didn't listen to me. So at the toppest point It has stalled. I was lucky enough and I got into an another dive. And then another pitch, another stall, another dive. At the 3rd try I managed to stop this theatre of horror. I was lucky that the glider didn't destroy itself in a stumble. I "spent" 350m for this air-circus. -20m\s, +11m\s. "Interesting" experience. Without 4/4 of VG, I think, it would be just an another one "bad dive" to complain about. Had I cancelled VG would it be much smoother and the glider wouldn't stall at all. But I didn't do it... I was thinking that the air is smooth. I wasn't prepared to such an event. And I didn't remember about VG. I found out that it was with full VG only when in finished. So some preparation is important. We can't think really sober when it happens. And when it happens we need to react as quickly as we can.
@StepanZubashev2 жыл бұрын
@@BariFPV forgot to add: it's much simpler to release the VG when it's wrapped over your finger than when you need to catch it on the fly in the rough air with one hand on the speedbar controlling the glider :)
@bigsky.flyguy11 ай бұрын
Nice videos! Very informative for the new pilots like me. What helmet is that? I might need an upgrade from my charley insider
@sohamhanggliding8 ай бұрын
It's an Icaro 4Fight, may not be available anymore. Helmet quality is a contentious topic among pilots so I don't want to give any advice, but go for something that provides solid protection, is light and doesn't obstruct your view much. Having a visor is important for me because I don't like flying with any sunglasses.
@braymanj7 ай бұрын
Experienced that 150 feet above the LZ. Kicked the sail 9 or 10 times during the flight. Rotor, and the most unstable day of the year at Lookout.
@sohamhanggliding3 ай бұрын
Yikes, those flights really make you question your sanity in strapping yourself to a kite and jumping off a mountain.
@bjofuruh Жыл бұрын
Me too, many, many years ago.
@kevinsmith64382 жыл бұрын
Nice recovery!
@paultanner3053 Жыл бұрын
It's called over the falls,,(I had one a few years ago,,(at 3 sisters (nth of Melbourne,(Australia) never want that again, keep smiling
@MrMoyesboy2 жыл бұрын
There is more margin of pitch stability with less VG. Normally in rough air I am circling with VG full slack. Also in rough.thetmal I am circling with exaggerate bank angle. So slack VG has more twist and more pitch stability. At high bank angle you fly with more angle of attack, so also more margin before going negative. My climb is not suffering from flying slack in the thermals. When a manufacturer boasts the improved handling allows you to fly thermals with more VG, it always makes me think, maybe that isn't really such a good thing necessarily...
@PetrPolach2 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly, when you have glider setup to perform good with slack VG, why the hell would anyone market: "you can handle (turn) this glider with more VG". This actualy means the opposite: this glider is not performing well while climbing and you need to use VG to do well. Which is bad! Also just a note to this video, airspeed (10km more from trim) to familiarize yourself with thermal nature is a good mindset to go.
@larryplanetrambler8385 ай бұрын
"..to get a drink of water". And a change of underwear!
@renegadeflyer211 ай бұрын
You know, when you are having tomuch fun, when your mouth is dry.
@steverx44602 жыл бұрын
These sort of things have been happening increasingly more frequently over the past 5 years where I fly near Melbourne in Australia. It's getting that when you fly inland you should expect some hard wire slapping and weightlessness. That's why I like the coast better.
@sohamhanggliding2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, with the earth warming turbulence is bound to increase especially in summer. But there are still safe times to fly outside of peak summer. And less turbulence the further you are from peak heating latitude.
@Plateaudweller Жыл бұрын
@@sohamhanggliding Its nothing to do with 'the Earth warming'. It's all to do with the adiabatic lapse rate on the particular day....which determines the thermal strength. You can have days when its 45C+ on the ground and the air is not very unstable...with weak climbs.
@gregorybaillie20934 ай бұрын
Your situation reminds me of a similar experience I had. Exiting a thermal I hit extreme virtical wind sheer. I became weightless and then my helmut struck the top of my A frame. Almost instanly I exited the virtical component of the wind sheer into more stable air. I was shaken too. I enjoyed your video, you are a smooth pilot in your operation. Always nice to watch. Stay safe brother.
@whisperingeagle2 жыл бұрын
Kicked over the falls of a turb thermal is what it looked like to me.
@HGAviator2 жыл бұрын
You just happen to reached the top of the thermal and went over the falls. The core of the thermal is blowing up, but at the top of the thermal you have the air spilling over and down. Hence the nose dive. Next time, pull in and crank a turn this will minimize your wing's surface area while you get out of the trouble.
@RitaGehman2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't sound as if you were listening to his words during the video.
@fly13278 күн бұрын
Nose dropping past 90 degrees, ground disappearing, bouncing off body off your bottom surface a couple times, desperately fighting for control from tucking will make you really think about flexible suspension of your weight on hang gliders. I know, make fun, assuring yourselves I'm full of shit after many years of mountain flying. When it happens, even in only moderate thermal lift, it'll change your perception, I promise.
@johnturnbull77232 жыл бұрын
That is nothing, You want to go to Owens Valley mid summer. At the worlds, my Verio top's out at 2500ft per minute, it goes past that very quickly. One of the Guy's at the top of the gaggle went upside down went through the gaggle and crashed about 50ft from the edge of a 2000ft cliff. I was hand standing every day Ye-Ha
@mikeh2520Ай бұрын
Yup, Owens Valley in the summer. Crazy strong lift and then maybe over the falls. On my first day in the '91 Nationals, I thought it cool to climb out through the center of the gaggle and take one more turn brushing the bottom of the cloud but the cloud had another idea for me and I had some moments of terror inside that cloud while I unwillingly gained lots of altitude in a chaotic way. I got spit out of the side of the cloud at around 18,000' and saw Steve Fossett fly by out front ahead and below in his sailplane. We waved. I was too shaken up to continue on the task. But I came back for the rest of the contest days.
@sciencelad82865 ай бұрын
There is lift under the cloud, but there is sink on the edges.
@BlueMax3332 жыл бұрын
bhahuth achha!
@pedtrog6443 Жыл бұрын
'Going over the falls'
@Mike-012342 жыл бұрын
Wow that is scary wonder if anyone ever been flipped over by turbulent air which I have read in a hang glider never want end up happening.
@dkjens07059 ай бұрын
Just wait until you experince a downdraft so strong that you smack your feet agains the keel. That makes you hold on to the control bar just a little tighter ha ha.
@SoarNC2 жыл бұрын
Try left hand turns. The rotation of the thermal is clockwise. You got dumped and didn't even get her number. Joking aside, it looked like there was strong lift under your left wing as you went into the thermal, indicating a turn to the left would have been better. What happened to you happens too much on the east coast when we have very strong thermal. Keep hanging!
@mcbrite Жыл бұрын
Is there such a thing as "active flying" on gliders, as there is on paragliders? Been watching a couple of these just now and glider pilots don't seem to fly "with" the air very much? More like an airplane would, rather than fitting the pitch to the movement of the air?
@sohamhanggliding Жыл бұрын
Definitely there is, we adjust bank and turn radius to thermals dynamically as well as adjust speed on glide to match lift/sink. Sometimes the bumps are too sudden to adjust to, as in this case.
@q.e.d.91127 ай бұрын
“…and land to get a drink of water.” Is this a euphemism for “needed to change my underpants”?
@georgesheffield1580 Жыл бұрын
I thought you were going to do a loup or wing over , or were trying to keep below 18000 ft.
@Mannichef2 жыл бұрын
Congrats for your reaction! Some Beginners would pushing the Basebar in this Situation, than a Tuck is the answer!
@DayB892 жыл бұрын
what would you say it's the best way of reacting to that? To be honest, I would've pushed the speedbar. Why is that bad?
@sohamhanggliding2 жыл бұрын
The glider is already recovering from a stall so pushing out in that situation will make recovery harder. The best response is just hold on and let the glider recover on its own, then pull in to get more control to be prepared for more turbulence. Hanggliders recover from stalls pretty much on their own. I imagine paragliders need a lot more active input for recovery.
@LaurenMartins Жыл бұрын
@@sohamhanggliding so let me understand correctly, if your angle was slightly worse, you could have gone into a tumble right? Why not react immediately and push the bar slightly out to avoid the Glider completely face down and possible tumble? Someone saying for you to push the bar in, but pointing downwards like that pushing the bar in to increase the speed when everything is vertical, would accentuate the problem and possibly cause the wing to tumble.
@RogerM9 Жыл бұрын
@@LaurenMartins - the nose is down, but the airspeed is, at that initial nose drop, low Also the sail is not under load and you are the heaviest part of the aircraft. By pushing back you send the c of g back and the c of g wants to lead the way. If you throw a dart backwards, the weight at the front of the dart will want to overtake the back. So in an extreme nose drop like this one, keep your weight forward so that the centre of gravity is in front of the centre of drag. If you are quick, you could even pull the bar in at that point. Pushing the bar out can lead to the c of g being behind the centre of drag and inertia will want to get it back in front, and with an aft c of g the quickest way to achieve that is by tumbling, leading to structural failure and you being the first to the scene of the crash. HTH.
@pentachronicАй бұрын
@@RogerM9 So I assume it’s like a fixed wing aircraft. You really want airspeed over the wing and pushing out would increase AofA and cause a deeper stall ? Kind of similar to fixed wing spin training by the sounds of it ?
@mikebreen2890 Жыл бұрын
Oh wow! A day to go cut the grass instead.
@skyout192 жыл бұрын
Thank your lucky stars that you were flying a hang glider and not a paraglider !
@sergeig6852 жыл бұрын
Why? There are far more pg pilots at this site flying more frequently and going XC
@skyout192 жыл бұрын
@@sergeig685 I was commenting on the report from the pilot "turbulent" and we all know that a hang glider does not fold together in turbulent air like a paraglider. The fact that there were more pgs at the site does not legitimate that paragliders are "safer". This depends to a great extent on the pilot's competence and experience and also whether he/she was in the turbulent region
@sergeig6852 жыл бұрын
@@skyout19 Obviously paragliders are not rigid wings. Yes, they collapse, that's just part of the process. Not claiming they are safer. What I'm telling you is that paragliders do not make such big deal out of turbulent air. It is HGs that have a lot of misconceptions about them. PGs are always the first ones up at the site and the last ones to land. And unlike HGs they fly XC not just sit in the house thermal for an hour and land at the bottom. If you wanna fly distance you will have to fly in active air and you will have collapses, it’s just part of flying. The wings go though certification process of how they recover from various form of collapses without pilot input and the pilots go through SIV training to develop confidence and skill on how to manage them
@user-gz8gs1ps7f Жыл бұрын
Турбулентная зона....
@wunderwing1 Жыл бұрын
You should keep a lower angle is attack on thermals and on the edge of them. By pushing our you barely avoidded a tumble.
@wrcummings2 жыл бұрын
😬
@antialias2 ай бұрын
how could you call these hills an eyesore?
@markfisher8943 Жыл бұрын
Are you worried about the drag that hoodie makes?
@sohamhanggliding Жыл бұрын
Haha I rarely forget to tuck the hoodie in, if I'm wearing one, this was one of those times.
@jconger75432 жыл бұрын
Glad you're ok. That will shake you up no doubt. I had a similar instance a couple of years ago. I was flying some westerly wind off a 200' cliff. A northern cold front came in early and pushed me up to 3000' agl. When they mixed they threw me around for about 12 min. I was shaking when I got down. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9RyiauVl9WReX0.html
@sohamhanggliding2 жыл бұрын
Wow, that's some extreme wind shear turbulence!
@Elbribon1 Жыл бұрын
That could have been a tumble.I have been there and is pure luck that you recover,because with all that turbulence around is not like stalling the glider.I will never forget what a very experienced and distance record holder pilot told me one time:dont fly in turbulent air.
@boringsoaring2 жыл бұрын
????
@GeorgeGiann2 жыл бұрын
😳😳😳
@michaelsmall16492 жыл бұрын
Huh? A brief nose down attitude is some sort of crisis? Drama, drama Ooh...ooh... and landing in the “ hipercactive air”?? Huh? Looks perfect smooth I started flying rogallos in 1974 ( USHGA#8361) Sail inversions in rowdy thermals ... one-two-three ...sounding like shotgun blasts were common. As were scary uninvited past vertical wing overs, and downwind low saves just before a full flare crash. And surf landings too (and drownings), and so much more...seaside and desert and mountainside over decades Sorry, but that little nosedive was grandstanding woosy
@alexmarkelov7339 Жыл бұрын
Hey we’re generation of safe spaces and emotional breakdowns. Take it easy, old timer 😂