technically shikamaru wasn't that great in the academy either, but he just didn't care

Thinking 12 steps ahead.. to what i'm having for lunch

​@@dudeguy8686real

fools want to be shikamaru. the wise want to be chouji.

Math just a drag

Omg the shogi scene! I didn’t realise that was anime only it’s done so well

Episode 81 of Shippuden, top 3 episode of Naruto imo

​@@yonkocommander5531 *Ep 82

wait wtf you're talking about the king conversation? that's anime only?? thats crazy

I mentioned this to her a couple weeks ago and hoped that her Patron would include it 😢

In Naruto, there is a lot of inconsistencies like this one, Iruka growing up without parents, how the First Hokage die, etc. The main reason is that Kishimoto wrote himself in a corner. He probably didn’t think about it while writing it.

⁠@@Jonthegreat18iruka’s parents died in the 9 tails attack wym? As for hashirama dying not getting an answer isn’t an inconsistency. It’s not like his death is plot relevant or anything. Most likely he died cuz of how much he’d shortened his lifespan from the regen

@@Missing_Nin Iruka was 23 when he was teach Naruto in the academy. Naruto was 12 when graduating from the academy. 23 - 12= 11 years old when the Nine Tales attacked. Last time I checked, he known his parents for 11 years. Which means he knew parents love. And it was said he didn’t know. And this is what I mean by inconsistency or plot holes. As far as First Hokage, I can’t say much without giving spoilers, but some one said something about First Hokage that made it seemed like he couldn’t die.

@@Jonthegreat18 Iruka is 22 at the start of part 1 so he was 10 when the 9 tails attacked. You can say that he knows what a parents love is like but he equally knows what it’s like to be without it as well. You can say it’s closer to a Sasuke situation than Naruto’s but plenty of correlations are made between them two as well. The comparison being made between Iruka and Naruto is the acting out for attention when deprived of parental attention. As for hashirama assuming we’re referencing the same thing remember what Tsunade says about mitotic regeneration. There are a finite amount of times a body can create new cells and so every time someone regens or is being healed they are shortening their lifespan

@@Jonthegreat18the fuck are you talking about lol

oh I'm glad it's something widely discussed so it's not just me missing something obvious 😂. Thank you for your comments, love reading your perspective!

You're missing the part where Danzo framed Naruto as the reason for everyone being scared kinda like a scapegoat. To pin the blame away from the leaders of the village.

@@merphynapier42 Maybe on your next video, you should discuss Talk No Jutsu and how strong it is.

Dude, spoilers

Which question exactly? Because we know why minato chose naruto to be the 9 tails jinchuuriki and we know why he didn’t want them to know he’s his son.

Top 3 episodes of Naruto imo

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i was just going to mention that too. the anime scene with shikamaru and his dad after Asuma's death is soo good! Ugh I cry every time.

Commenting cuz this was the first thing that popped in my head. The anime ver of this arc really elevated the material

I 2nd this

When was darh vader redeemed?

I just think that the mass resurrection was a coward move from Kishimoto. If he didn't want so many ppl to die then just don't kill them, what Nagato did removes all the consequences from that arc.

Well, the village was still destroyed. And that was the connection filler between that and the Five Kage Summit.

@@Moody.Smiruaiin return of the Jedi?

@@Moody.Smiruai On death... thats the entire reason there is a anikin force ghost cause he was redeemed on death.

I'd argue this is the place where Talk no jutsu worked the best. It become ridiculous with obito

@@xandex69 Why? Nagato/Obito are clear parallels of Naruto so, I fail to see the issue here. It's clearly shown that they're fundamentally different from people like Hidan/Danzo etc.

@@waleedabbas4996 got too old. obito is horribly written

@@xandex69 Regardless of how well it worked this _is_ where talk no justu came from.

@@GhostEmblem dnc

Nagato is also an Uzumaki (Naruto’s “brother”)

Pain arc didn’t close well , as far as I’m concerned, the people were realive which throw all the unexpected things away that had happened during the arc. It didn’t like to the fandom and it is one the most discussed things in the fandom. 8 out of 10.

@@luisangelrosariovelez5471 man all this prejudice towards masters of the six paths actually using their powers in personally justifiable ways… Back when they still used the six paths in ways that don’t have all the usual Ūchíhà Eyes being used by other complex yet to be fully explored psychological issues related to how their “heart” reflects trauma I suppose? I mean cool changing eyeball visual designs does Look Cooler than anything like a Hollow in bleach having its hole get filled in again or something… dunno why I’m thinking of the Ulquiorra fight ending scene though I guess that’s just more for growth of your female deuteragonist… though the drama there is so tasty that it overshadows the impact that the other characters get and it almost makes it feel like Aî-sán’s choices after could’ve been made more dramatic psychologically but then it wouldn’t be as dramatic as how some of it goes down… man Yâmà-jí is a boss there… man talking bleach no spoilers is difficult to make the point without saying too much… But I feel like she already did bleach didn’t she? I know she did DragonBall but I dunno if she did Z or Super or whatever GT non anime may exist probably only in Japan or weird fan projects… Nevermindit… But My favourite part about the Pain fight which is RARELY talked about is how he’s literally fighting the man that inspired the writing of a character named Nárūtō which his own father felt inspired to borrow this name which I guess is almost like a joke nickname alluding to Nágàtō which… I know there’s a whole episode of a few where we see that scenes from the book and it’s writing but I forget where they’re placed… But man the issues you reach when Naming a character after something to continue motivating a child that Literally Creates that child accidentally through his student’s child being given the actual name… & the weight there is how some of this makes sense because of later reveals but also some of the weight of a “Master of the Six Paths” idea is kinda destroyed by later revelations around the eyes and where they come from… not even bringing up all the theories of how Nárūtō will get the Rinnégán (and all the lame what ifs that are usually just fan fic where they rarely even explore the character much unless it’s stuff where you can tell they need to try doing fan theories but ways that often don’t work… been a while since I heard one that doesn’t sound written by bad A.I. you know? But writing magical eyeball powers is complicated… Though maybe the will of the eyes to have additional clone bodies & Nágàtō not simply using prétà path or whatever the chákrà/life-sucking ability which SHOULD be able to fully heal himself whenever he feels like it unless there’s something More Complex on the cost of the technique he uses as a kid? Which I guess then cripples him or something… Instead of just wrecking and killing he could’ve just gone to chat with the hōkágé and whe probably could’ve healed him with just a few Mini-Kátsūyū clones…. Or I guess they’re not clones since they’re all the same one Lady Kátsūyū… man my dialogue is getting me banned from shīkkôtsū forest twitter… do excuse…

@@kluckyd that's a spoiler

@@deffydubs A spoiler of what

It's Tobi's fault for killing Hiruzen's wife who would have been like a foster mother for Naruto had she lived ;).

@@rauliggynashow9092i mean everything is Tobi’s fault but Hiruzen could have taken better care of Naruto

Its danzo fault for outting naruto

"Had Naruto eating cup noodles and drinking spoiled milk" How's that Hiruzen's fault? He gave Naruto the money he needed to buy food. It's not his fault Naruto was a slob. "never told anybody who he is" Yeah, because it would've painted yet another target on the kid's back.

​@@Verebazshe barely had enough money to take care of himself.

I will die on the hill of the series should have ended after the pain arc. It's an iconic arc and Naruto's central themes have been answered. Sure you have to rework the sasuke part of the story in an epologue; but that's about it. Everything else makes sense ending wise.

@@Weaponator18it would never make sense, the story is so largely built around him & sasuke

@@Weaponator18 y'all are tripping and exagerrating. Yes the Pain arc is the best one in the series, but that's not an argument for ending the series. NOTHING would have made sense if the story ended there.

@@Weaponator18 Totally agree. A lot of the stuff that comes after this arc ends up undercutting the core themes and ideas of early Naruto.

​@@Weaponator18I completely agree with you. People can be mad all they want but it's true. We got some good stuff after this but we also got so much trash it wasn't worth it lol The only thing that needed to be solved after this was the Naruto x Sasuke plot and the Madara stuff and all that could have been combined and completed in 1 more arc. Instead of having Sasuke go on the idiotic "nOw i wAnT tO bEcOmE hOkAGe" idea, the author could have come up with something else, combine it with the Madara revenge stuff and end it there in 1 arc.

Still makes no sense, chiyo and jiraya already tell us that's impossible. Idk why bro randomly had that plot hole power...

Shikamaru was a very different case though

​@@vojtechtesar5767I mean, considering he had no real way of beating Kakuzu, I'd say Tsunade was not exactly wrong in trying to stop him. Without Kakashi, Shikamaru's plan would have failed. The diamond armor would have stopped any attempt to get his blood. And even if he got the blood, that doesn't defeat Kakuzu. . Kakashi deciding to help Shikamaru and go with was an important growth for him. Shikamaru was gonna go regardless. I love Shikamaru, but the idea that he was totally in control and wasn't at least a bit rash is not true. He handled Hidan fine. Without Kakashi and Naruto, Kakuzu kills them all while only losing MAYBE one heart

Sasuke DESERVED the lecture , shikamaru did not. It’s not about kakashi developing

@@mookiestewart3776 regardless of that being true I do think after lecturing Sasuke and his immediate departure from the village made Kakashi give it a long thunk, which I imagine probably colored the way he thought about what Shikamaru was going to do even if he wasn't due for a scolding

Interesting, never heard all that When did Danzo leak it though? Naruto was pretty darn young when the village was ostracizing him. So, that still brings up why didn't the 3rd step in at some point, be a leader, and lecture the village?

@jambobrenn8171 Danzo leaked it pretty early because he figured It would unify the village by focusing their hate in one direction while simultaneously helping to further Stigmatize the Uchiha because of Kurama's History with Madara. Lord 3rd really had a soft spot for Danzo that none of us understand😂 Danzo has literally put out an assassination order on The 3rd amongst so much other foul stuff but he was never branded a traitor or even Disciplined by the 3rd. I'm completely convinced that Sarutobi's Passive approach was his BIGGEST weakness as a Leader. The Manga almost wouldn't have a story to tell if he was competent😂

Top 3 char studies

Also, I think in the anime it was framed as if the quote from the book were Nagato’s exact words that he said to Jiraiya. So I always took that as hearing his own words being said back to him was the tipping point…

i think the one scene with them playing shogi is anime only

Yeah that whole episode is anime only, if she's only doing the manga then she hasn't seen it

she missed it most likely I fear 💔💔 One of the best anime-only episodes, if not THE best

That is not in the manga. So she wouldn’t have seen this scene

It's up to that Patreon member who sends her anime scenes to decide if it's worth watching. I guess he skipped it.

Naruto ignored it first 😂

@jackie1523 I'm dieing

"Alot happens here" Kinda give me "oh no... anyway" meme vibes lol. I don't think she really like Hinata as a character so that's why she focuses more on pain. But tbh that was a best moment from hina, she doesn't even mention her at all, maybe she will in the next vid..? But if she doesn't like her and that's why she didn't mention it, that's kinda unfair of her, but then oh well can't be helped, she did also say Hinata annoyed her so there is that lol.

​jackie1523 tbf he did thank her in war arc.

Because that hinata scene was only fleshed up in the anime, in the manga it takes like one page of the story.

Dang, you're right, another thing handled poorly here haha (I don't hate the resurrection as much as everyone else does, but I _hate_ the "reason" Minato gives Naruto. Add the lack of Hinata respect to that!)

She confessed and was "killed" literally two seconds after in the manga, Naruto probably did not have the time to process it, maybe even forgot it as he was overtaken by rage.

⁠​⁠@@calliopeshif7581remember the bridge arc naruto forgets everything after he enters the 9 tails and that was only like 4 or so tails so I’d imagine all 9 he’d probably just forgot

@@jordanl5436 His transformation was so powerfull that even Kishimoto forgot. Kinda like Daenerys :)

@@dadandadandan you misunderstood...no one is bothered he didn't answer her in the moment, in fact her "death" being the reason he loses himself to the 9-tailed is actually a great moment that shows that he does care about her. The issue people have lies in the fact that Naruto seemingly forgot all about it for multiple arcs and didn't address it again until near the end of the story. And I can't even blame Naruto for this...this kind of apathy is so uncharacteristic for him and so obviously just there to make sure the story doesn't accidently defy the generic shonen writing trope (can't allow ships to sail until the very VERY end) that it actively pulls me out of the story, in other words my annoyance with this (and most issues I have with the story in general) is purely meta and directed towards the author. We all knew that this carrot will dangle in front of us for the rest of the story, but then Kishimoto decided to give us one very tiny bite way too early and then in "correcting his mistake" he took it away and stored it in a drawer for a many years...like we're not even allowed to see the carrot anymore until right before we finally get to have it. I actually feel bad for Hinata AND Naruto for being cursed to be written like that.

Because "He remained calm"? Hell, no. Kishimoto came up with a bullshit power for the Sharingan that allowed it to see chakra through skin... Basically a far superior version of what the Byakugan was established to do (until then, it was common knowledge as the superior Kekkei Genkai). Not to mention the less-than-a-split-of-a-second summoning jutsu that allowed Sasuke to escape from the final explosion.

Naw sasuke said he had back up plans and was fighting for info and not to kill, he was superior in basically every way.. Not to mention it wasn't even a straight 1v1.. Maybe it would have been a fight if sasuke doesn't just straight counter his jutsu with his lighting.

Naw sasuke said he had back up plans and was fighting for info and not to kill, he was superior in basically every way.. Not to mention it wasn't even a straight 1v1.. Maybe it would have been a fight if sasuke doesn't just straight counter his jutsu with his lighting.

Even then, it really doesn't make what happened ok. Not faulting Naruto's parents, they did what they had to, and thought their son would be in good hands.

Same! Kabuto is one of my favorites in Naruto as well, although much of my love comes from the fighting videogames as well tbh. But our boy gets often overlooked and I won't have the Kabuto disrespect from Merphy lol

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And ironically, the character having the stupidest cause of death was almost the only one people cared about.

I don't know that the intent was for us to see the Fourth Hokage as flawed. I hate that scene and the reason Minato provides, but I don't know that it was supposed to be seen as a toxic way of thinking about a child. Even though that's how it came across to me. Projecting expectations on a kid like that, and placing that much responsibility because "It's fine, they can handle it, they're DEFINITELY going to be great one day - they better be, anyway" is a bad lesson to take away.

@@calliopeshif7581 Yes, Minato is portrayed throughout the rest of the series as being pratically flawless, and his rare shortcomings are treated as gags and forgotten immediately.

Pretty sure that's just a common fanfic device, I don't recall anything from the actual series implying that.

@@Verebazs Might be. Saying that is was *heavily* implied was dumb. Considering No one else has insider intel other than the actual members, Itachi is the only one with the history and intention to be a legit source of information.

I cant think of a single scene that implies Itachi was Jiraiya's contact

It's hard to take a discussion about a series seriously when the person talking can't even remember the characters name

I cringe just thinking about it...

Both are great👍

It also introduces bluetooth to the world of Naruto. Until then, nobody could transfer power with a touch. It also started the major ramp up in power level for the series and the significant reduction in the clever use of Jutsus and hand signs. Oh, it was also around the time when the Sharingan and all the eye-related powers began gaining prominence, which as annoying at best. At worst it actually offered major retcons for the canon of the story. By that I mean the Byakugan is introduced the superior bloodline technique and the Sharingan was derived from that, to somehow the Sharingan being the strongest and the first (just to give even more free power to Sasuke). I was around back when, during the publication of Itachi vs. Sasuke. Pretty much the vast majority of readers hated the whole thing. Worse, Kishimoto cut away from Jirayia vs. Pain to focus on that lame ass fight.

​@@LightningRaven42This comment just screams bias uchiha hater lmao. Calling sasuke vs itachi a "lame ass fight" is so crazy it invalidates literally any opinion you can give on this show ever. The hyuga or their doujutsu were never superior in any way and the show strayed away from tactical fighting when naruto started spitting out tailed beast bombs, it ain't got nothing to do with that fight. 💀

@@LazarTheMaster Dude. I was fucking there. Very few liked that fight. The ending was even more poorly received.

@@LightningRaven42 bro saying "I was there" like that shit happened outside your house and all of us just heard stories about it... We all watched the same show bro, and I have in my 15 years of following this show never in my life heard anyone hate this fight, it's not an opinion you can probably google some polls right now. Your bias is very apparent here and in all your other comments so I'll just guess you spent your time in echochambers with similar opinions...

@@LazarTheMaster I didn't even bothered to watch that fight on the anime. I bounced well before that. In fact, the anime was already getting major flack due its lack of animation quality, too many fillers and poor adaptation of the source material. Shit, I will never forget the adaptation of Pain's arc with that goofy loony tunes animation. Not my fault you were a little kid back then experiencing your first anime. I was a teen back then and even I realized how bad things became through the course of Naruto Shippuden. Abandoned characters, DBZ fights, major retcons of the lore, constant breaks of its own established rules, many plot contrivances. Shit, Kishimoto himself already mentioned in interviews that he was making things up as it went along, because they were "Cool".

It's the opposite. Kakashi was the most liked character in Naruto that if he had stayed dead the majority of the fandom was threatening to quit the manga and anime LOL.

I would argue that kakashi speaking with his father was necessary for his growth. And his story isn't over yet so it was also necessary for him to come back

@@jackie1523his story for sure wasn’t over considering that one other character

That's the thing, he shouldn't have died at all. his convo with his father could be delayed to the war​@@jackie1523

Yep, if naruto took vengeance, no mass resurrection would of happened

"you must know pain!" me: "I feel nothing."

The only fake out death was Hinata. The other people actually died and later was brought back to life.

@@rauliggynashow9092 Dying and being brought to life right after is the same as fakeout death,

@@rauliggynashow9092 that's the SAME THING lol, a death that for all intents and purposes didn't actually happen.

​​@@ellie7252 Not the same. Narratively it might seem that way but resurrection is a lot worse than a fake out death.

I think it was necessary for kakashi's growth to talk with his father, plus his story isn't over yet so it was also needed for him to come back

Regarding your note on the Minato thing: Nothing justifies the whole "I knew you could handle it because you were my son." There's more later about the sealing and Minato having to make a decision in the moment, but I hate the reinforcement of the tendency of a lot of parents to project their capabilities and unfulfilled goals onto their kids. I get that Minato was in a "rock-or-hard-place" position, but don't pull some BS about "I knew you could take it."

I really like your analysis and totally agree about Kakashi, he's a favorite of mine. I feel your last statement so much. Naruto is one of my favorite anime/manga and one I got the deepest into. Unfortunately it does have its flaws and having come back to it years later its a shame how obvious some of the issues are now. But it still has a special place in my heart and I'm really glad people like Merphy are still able to enjoy and appreciate this series for what it offers. Even in an age where it can debated that so many new anime are doing and have done the same thing but better. Naruto was one of the OG big 3. While One Piece is still ongoing and fandom is stronger than ever, and the final arcs of Bleach finally getting anime adaptation that revamped interest in the series, and Naruto might have Boruto as its successor sometimes it feels like people overlook the Naruto series nowadays. I had gotten a lot of "Cool but (insert new anime) is Naruto but better" sentiments from newer anime fans for a while. So its nice to see Merphy coming in fresh and finding greatness in Naruto.

@@calliopeshif7581I had the impression that Minato’s message was more in the nature of a pep talk more than any real justification for implanting the nine tails.

@@richdurbin6146 I guess, but still feels frustrating to me. As someone whose parent actually did protect expectations onto them, it just gets under my skin. But whatever, it still doesn't bother me nearly as much as all the perv gags with people we're supposed to look up to, lol

That's a spoiler at this point. It will be revealed by Tobi after the Konan fight

In Naruto basically if you have crimson red hair you are an Uzumaki lmao

@@waltwhite8126 Tayuya, Karui, Gaara, Sasori, etc. have red hair and neither of them are Uzumaki

I agree with your take. It’s pretty evident imo he knew and understood what he was doing was causing such pain but had the will to continue to create his version of peace. I didn’t need a nagato redemption arc personally. Even though people don’t like the resurrection I did and imo it made more sense to go that route. Just because characters don’t stay dead doesn’t mean the impact of the arc and the deaths wasn’t real. Pain did show the village “pain”, it changed them, it changed naruto, it led directly into what happened in the 5 kage summit and then the war. Pain imo did help to create peace both with showing them his pain and in his beliefs in naruto bringing everyone back.

@@javiercano9461 The problem is a narrative one and it's the fact that the pain is cut short. Jiraya's death hits hard but the pain lingers for a long time, you grieve for him and you grieve with Naruto. The whole ass village being resurrected is like a grievious wound being completely healed with magic ten minutes later, your suffering was short and there are no lasting consequences. I would be ok with, say, half the village and most of the important characters being revived, but when every single victim is revived the spectator feels robbed.

That really doesn’t make sense. The entire arc was grief. Starting from jiraiya until Naruto met with nagato it was grief. How is that not enough? At least for me it was. I felt hate for a character who took so much. I felt grief for characters and a village that meant so much to me. By the end I really didn’t need more. That entire arc was just one gut punch after another, I was emotionally spent. I don’t see the impact of having more compared to the benefit of nagato entrusting his dream to Naruto and atoning for at least a bit of his actions. Also the entire village wasn’t wiped out. A bunch were evacuated prior and during pains assault and tsunade almost died to save people with katsuyu so this idea that the entire village was just revived is a slap in the face to her efforts. Sure a lot of people died but it wasn’t the entire village. If you feel robbed then that’s a difference of opinion. To me pain was an emotional roller coaster. Ending it on the highest of notes with Naruto’s will breaking through even after he questioned it and almost gave up was a beautiful ending. It added more weight to his celebration after. The village knew and appreciated what he did for them, not just saving people but embracing the villain to the point that led to their resurrection.

@@javiercano9461 The thing is that it feels bad to have your emotions cheated out of you. If Nagato had only ressed about half of the people he killed (not the entire village, good point) it would've been best imo but i would've accepted the scenario better if Pain never had the village to raze. A lot of people hate this because it feels like getting robbed of the emotions, it feels like Kishimoto is squeezing the story for maximum shock and grief but also doesn't wanna lose it's main village with most of it's side characters (even tho, considering how relevant many of those side characters end up being, i would've been ok with 3-4 dying in this fight). Doesn't matter how you do it once you bring resurrection into a story it will either feel like cheap shock and grief or it will used so often (DBZ and One Piece to a lesser extent) to the point death doesn't matter anymore.

I guess that’s just a matter of disagreement. I never once felt cheated out of my emotions. It was the opposite for me. I get if kishimoto did it all the time but considering this was the rinnegan and how OP it is made sense it had that impact both in destruction and creation. To me it was a full circle moment from having all this hate for a character and grief for death to having hope and believing in Naruto. I personally think it would have been a worse turn out without the resurrection but again that’s something we see opposite

No no, all of this comes later! This is all spoilers!

Yeah, I agree with you 👍💪👊

I agree, but my favorite is Tobi

Yeah, from here on now it's downhill.

Keeping his identity secret is a better thing. Danzo leaked naruto's identity unbeknownst to Hiruzen and he forbid people to not say about Naruto. Compared to Onoki, Byakuren and Rasa, Hiruzen is way better.

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Yep, if you analyze the series, Hiruzen was a piece of shit lmao.

He was ostracized because of the Nine Tails and how many people he killed. We literally see Mizuki saying in the first chapter, they hate you because of the monster inside you.

Hiruzen literally says in chapter 1 that he tried to convince the villagers otherwise. That Minato even wanted him to be seen as a hero The villagers didn’t care which is how we end up with the Gag order in place to stop adults from telling the children

@@loganwendigo937 come on now, let's not pretend like hiruzen did everything he could

tbh that term is mostly just thrown around and used nonsensically to describe any character being even remotely kind to another character

@@natalimoina That's bound to happen. Lots of terms get thrown around in wrong circumstances that end up muddling their meaning.

What? That's good writing because it's perfectly in line with Naruto's character as a forgiving and hopeful person who always trys to reach an understanding with others. Everything made sense too because they were literally tied together by Jiraiya and had similar goals with different methods. Just because people don't like something doesn't make it bad writing when the characters are acting the way they're supposed to (which actually makes it well-written, they're behaving the way they are meant to). Talk no Jutsu is a meme.

@@inkoctopui3787 This is in line with Naruto's character, sure. Doesn't mean the whole thing wasn't incredibly forced and contrived. Talk No Jutsu only became a meme because the execution was terrible. Naruto went downhill really fast after Jirayia vs. Pain. The retcons, power creep, plot conveniences, characterization, everything went off the rails and I still can't believe to this day there are people who watched it and non-ironically thought it was still good. Naruto's downward trend was notorious way back then with the fans at the time, before Naruto became a hit with a bunch of kids when they saw it on TV.

@@LightningRaven42 Stop changing the topic. You claimed that a character acting the way he's supposed to is bad writing when it's actuslly brilliant writing considering how in tune it is with the character and the themes of the story. Also, wrong. Naruto's manga sales figures are publically available in charts and they show that Naruto was consistently well received all the way through with no significant changes. This means people overwhelmingly liked the series well after the Invasion of Pain Arc. Naruto's manga still ranks at the top positions in Japanese manga polls even today, top 7 and up. So no people still loved the series all the way through no matter how hard you complain.

Yeah. Watch all the Naruto apologists scramble to come up with bullshit arguments to defend that atrocious plot point. Devil Man was a far more balsy battle shounen and it was published in the 80s. Naruto didn't have the balls to follow through with one of the most narratively interesting choices it ever made with blowing up Konoha.

​@@LightningRaven42wtf are you talking about. Talk no jutsu is what makes naruto unique

@@nozers Talk no Jutsu is just a meme way to say Lazy Writing and poorly written characters. There's nothing to be proud about. Naruto Shippuden is a fucking mess. From characterization, to shoddy worldbuilding (this is an absolute fact), to major retcons. Not to mention the power creep that plagues the fights post-Sasuke vs Itachi that pretty much leaves behind the thing that make Naruto interesting the first place. I get it Naruto is nostalgic for many people, it was also among my first anime ever. We shouldn't just let the nostalgia goggles and the lack of critical thinking of our early years cloud the fact that Naruto lost its quality like pretty much every other long-running shounen at the time.

@@LightningRaven42 thanks for telling me how it’s a mess bro really informative insults you got. I’ve watched over 150 anime not including other sorts of media. Naruto is not perfect but it’s still beautifully written for the most part. Seems like you fell for misconceptions or certain KZfaqrs changed your mind. You’re a sheep, it’s fine just don’t pretend like you’re smart. I just want to know what made you hate the series so much 😂 did your ex love it or something?

The final war has a lot of more hated scene I believe : Zetsu vs Madara, Kaguya, Sakura being sakura turned up to eleven, etc...

@@gugugugu1300 yeah I know, I said one of the most not the most.

No it is not. People whine about it online but they would cry even more if Kakashi and the others stayed dead.

I always took it as Nagato was logically correct about the cycle of war, but was moved to see that Naruto would continue to try in the face of it. He saw some value in the act of working to improve the world itself despite how grim the outcomes may be. I still think it's kind of dumb that this convinces Nagato, but whatever.

"you don't have memory issues, Kishimoto does." No he doesn't. He, just like every other writer ever, prioritised getting the maximum impact out of his story, instead of obsessing over fitting every tiny, irrelevant minutia together. "There are some massive plotholes in Naruto sometimes" No, there really aren't. "the Third Hokage didn't understand it' and didn't act accordingly" Yes he did. In fact he was the one who echod Minato's sentiment to Iruka, all the way back in the first chapter. "Naruto wasn't looked at by his people as Minato intended" He did what he could, but he couldn't force the people of the village to accept Naruto. The best he could do, was forbid them from revealing Naruto's status as a Jinchuriki, so that the other kids wouldn't fear him.

I assure you any plot hole you have I can give a answer for it a lot of people confuse writing they don’t like with plot holes

@@jordanl5436 I love Naruto and I have many theories myself that can fill every plot hole, but they are still plot holes. PS: I'm an editor, I can tell. A lot of people confuse their love for something with perfection.

@@violetalar5387 I don’t agree I’ve seen pretty much all the plot hole videos and there’s a answer for pretty much all of them even tho the answer is pretty annoying