Makes me think of the road heaters used in Colorado. When road repair is needed in winter, the pavement is far too cold to work on. So they heat it with what's basically a giant broiler, a flat machine on wheels, one lane wide, with maybe 150 gas burners facing the pavement. It's a kick to watch. There are jokes about giant pieces of toast.

like NUKE it before landing?

thats IF we can even get a Human to the Moon... WHY so long? ... was it truly FAKE to begin with? ... how you it even remotely be 'harder' now than it was in the 70's?

OTOH if you want to be a little faster - low gravity helps to offset the issues with low gravity.

@@ThomasTomiczek moon dust was a major design flaw of the Apollo are moon vehicle. The astronauts need to sit up higher in vehicle away from being splattered with moon dust.

@@icare7151 Or just put on fenders.

@@filonin2 The did that with the original one still in Moon but not enough.

​@filonin2 doesnt stop it from floating up the way the dust worked is basically like a woft of air despite there not being any air. This design has major flaws, not only do the seats need to be higher but they made multiple design flaws that they did before.

Im not certain but I believe there are already communication relays in orbit from other missions no?

@@twitchy.mp3 Not sure about the U.S. but China recently launched a satellite (Queqiao-2) for the purpose of communications between the Moon and Earth.

No we wont the moon is tidally locked meaning we will always have contact with the side facing us and we already have satellites that are able to connect to it.

I'm pretty sure the U.S. doesn't have any. But someone somewhere is working on it.

@@AmateurHistorian999 The IM-2 mission includes a satellite launch for lunar relay.

Apollo 15-17 had buggies, 14 only had a hand cart, which they had to abandon during one of the more distant EVAs as they were on foot.

It's the brain exercising the memories by refreshing them...as one gets older, the older memory protein chains tend to break, or get damaged by a plethora of factors (i.e disease, (medical)drugs), and reminiscing helps battle that by refreshing them before being lost forever. I have a strong feeling it has become part of our instincts now that life expectancy has rapidly risen in the last couple of centuries.

As an 80 yr old, you said it and I agree.

@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 I was quite unsure. Thanks for the detail. :)

"Memory soup." 😄 At age 67, that makes more and more sense.

Facts that would be best rover

Brother ughh What the hell brother Ughh

Lmao

that thing is a POS.... what a most UGLY vehicle... aside ti being absolute junk.

Why are people suggesting cybertruck as a rover? It is not a viable option. It's tires would need to be redesigned, it does not have power generation capabilities, it would not survive a lunar night without heating, its touch screen controls would need to be redesigned to account for the space suit drivers will wear, it does not have any inertial (or any other form that doesn't rely on GPS) positioning systems, it is not remotely controllable, its durability has not been vetted at 10 years, the sharpness of the panels could be dangerous for the space suits... I mean at this point we have multiple EV that would offer at least an equivalent starting point for your design! To be fair, your comment is pretty understandable (I read it as a comment on the esthetic of the vehicle fitting with the moon, something I don't disagree with). I just commented on yours because I saw a few others seemingly thinking the vehicle would work as is on the moon.

awesome yh ! like alot of other channels on here

@@edwardclarke768 indeed! What other KZfaq channels about space tech do you suggest i check out? I already subbed to Tim Dodd's The everyday astronaut" and Scott Manley

"the edge of space" is in no way a 'defined' line... its more like a 'general area' of sorts... and why in the world would someone 'playing it safe' do the dumbest thing imaginable? >> chance you may never make it back... its just a test... and thats all it is.

Yes. They should have developed *liquid* fueled boosters ASAP after the Challenger debacle.

If Musk can get ticket prices down to 10 - 15k a head, he'd do huge business with moon trips and buggy joyrides and the occasional close encounter with an impacting micrometeoroid. Until someone actually gets perforated by one of those things - then there'll be an inquiry as to how this could happen and look for a scape goat - D'Oh!😂

That's not how any of this works lmao. They propose a design first as eye candy to investors. This isnt just funded by thin air and it's not like the money is just going to the development of the rover. The money goes to the development of everything from the ground up, literally meaning how to get from earth to the moon with that payload. Essentially investors pay to see this made into reality, not just the rover itself but the rover being on the moon specifically.

MP3? You mean the music files? Who's still using that decades-old format in 2024? Hasn't everyone switched to AAC or OGG yet?

Its from the carbon in graphite being burned away. Any impurities will cause hydrogen fire to turn colors, same way as igniting a h balloon the flame is orange from the carbon in the rubber.

Hydrogen burns a pale red. I think it's from the heat of the fire, making the exhaust gas itself hot enough to glow.

😂

China plans a basic lunar InterNet/GPS system as part of the "International Lunar Research Station"; base construction begins 2030-35 by automated landers. The system triangulates base/Lunar satellites/Earth mission control with lunar outposts/rovers/probes. This system is a must; as while ILRS is led by China/Russia, it is a consortium with interested potential partners including ESA, France and United Arab Emirates. No doubt the Artemis U.S/Japan/ESA consortium will also construct an lunar InterNet/GPS but NASA has yet to present any concrete design for the Artemis base, as yet only GATEWAY specs. Hello from New Zealand.🇳🇿🚀🌚

The second ship launches from Earth with the rover on board, no transfer needed.

There will be 2 starships , one will carry fuel and wait in orbit , then the star ship from earth will launch with the rover and dock with the Star Ship in orbit where it will transfer the fuel to the Star Ship with the rover and then the Ship with the rover will make it's way to the moon

HLS will be fully supplied launching from earth. Only SpaceX hls will be refueled in earth orbit, but crew transfer will be in orbit if moon. Rover, scientific instruments, and snacks will be loaded on earth

Cybertruck is a really bad option. It's extremely heavy, has unnecessary parts and rubber tires

sure... send the absolute biggest POS vehicle in existence.. LMAO

For the same price, they could ship like 10 Cybertruck in one Starship. Starship is really huge and will be able to lift 100 tons to orbit. A couple Cybertruck will cost a lot less than a billion dollars

@@TheKdcool you Elon "enthusiasts" are ALL the same... you DONT THINK!!

@@raptorwhite6468ugh. Tyres can be changed….

Approximately $100 million.

Eventually can co down to 70 mln. Still a "bit" more than 1 mln for more powerful raptor 2, 250k for even more powerful raptor 3, or even BE-4 with 7 mln

You mean that commercial space launching more than anyone else, ever? Leave engineering to engineers and you they'll let you keep flipping burgers.

@filonin2 it's true... engineers and people who pretend to be them online seem to be the only people stupid enough to cheer when 2 billion dollars explodes and crashes into the ocean. 🤣

NASA is all about Politics and NOTHING about Science... its a money thing.. thats ALL they care about.

​@@zotfotpiqrofl. You mean that Starship crashes into ocean.. Newsflash. 2 bln is WHOLE budget for 2023 for Starship development. In that money is included EVERYTHING related to Starship. From building 2 frigging factories, big hangars, to every test related to Starship AND raptor 2 and 3 development. Single integrated flight test costs around 100 mln. It's LESS than NASA pay for refurbishment of ONE rs-25 engine. And you have to refurbish it to mount on SLS, and second time after green run test.

@just_archan well... one thing is for sure... you can trust what spacex says about development costs and timelines! how many time are they supposed to have landed on mars by now? almost enough times to refuel a single HLS? spacex fans are a joke. you clap for failure. you're pathetic.

"What could go wrong"? You, misspelling Boeing.📚🤡

THere is a second Lunar rover program for the enclosed rover with life support.

That’ll be later. First they want a simple design that’ll be ready by 2030 and will offer human/cargo transport and can be autonomously controlled

Yeesssss

They are "belts" - since there are two, plus a third that is transitory. Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorist that you parrot neglected to tell you that bit. What about them? if you have anything remotely approaching a shred of integrity then I'd like you to honestly ask yourself the following questions: 1/ How much do I genuinely know about the Van Allen Belts? - their shape extent and distribution? Energies and intensity? Type of radiation? 2/ What do I actually understand by alpha and beta particle radiation and shielding against it? 3/ What have I understood about the actual structure of the Command Module and the materials that it was fashioned from? 4/ What have I learnt about the trajectories flown by each of the Apollo missions and their passage through the belts? 5/ What do I know about what James Van Allen himself, (and his soviet counterpart Sergei Vernov) had to say about the belts and the Apollo missions? 6/ What have I done to challenge my preconceptions and the claims made by online conspiracy theorists in relation to the VABs? If the answer to these questions is nothing, then obtaining the answers will prevent you from pointlessly bringing up something in public that you clearly have no prior knowledge of whatsoever.

What do you expect them to be doing? Laying down?

@@filonin2 what would be the opposite of sitting where they wouldn't have to struggle to get up? It's not a riddle.

Astronauts were sitting in Apollo rovers too, it's not that hard

@raptorwhite6468 no duh and of an astronaut fell over they caught hell getting back upright. It was not easy for them to get in and out. The suits made sure of that.

​@@fgeiger41Do you suggest a standing up position? That seem to been pretty much the standard on ships and old style locomotives. Even crane operators used to stand up in the olden days as my father attested being one of them.

Your math is off. Ct is 100k, not a million. So it's 46 000 CT 😂😂😂

Neither were the first ones.

Yeh definitely up there and not in a studio… 👀😃

There are three on the moon and the tires after not pneumatic

Well the starship didn’t explode in space. It broke apart during reentry, something that is completely irrelevant to the Artemis mission

@@Unknown-oh6ue It needs to not break apart. If it doesn't do so it's not going to be very useful as a lander. I want it to succeed, as I've already said. So less exploding more flying.

@@Unknown-oh6ue boohoo

@@jssomewhere6740 Sure but it was shredded by the plasma, considering it was tumbling out of control. At least there’s no atmosphere on the moon

@@Unknown-oh6ue There is rock involved. Tumbling out of control is never good. Look I'm going to say this one last time. I WANT STARSHIP TOO SUCCEED. So too accomplish or to see success the ship must ( must ) be safe for folks to ride in. I should have never exchanged with you. It's some kind of game y'all love to play. So you win I give up. You win, you win, you win. So unless you have constructive things to say, like @Js I know starship has destroyed it self every time it has launched and that sucks. Yet look at what they have learned blah, blah, and blah. Do you see how that works. Instead of just contradiction use education. I get the feeling that you are very young. So see this little lecture as coming from your a$$Ho/@ uncle that lives very far away. Take care be careful, and try not to just argue try to educate When you contradict people it's a way of starting a fight.

Segway??

People from all those companies already work for them that's literally how nasa designs things lmao. Only like 10 people get hired by nasa each time they request workers, and they're the best in the world at what they do. Think about it next time.

Cars and lunar rovers are not the same thing

I'm perfectly aware of That . But , these companies already have Solid " Off - Road " Designs / Concepts that Could be Engineered for Space Planet / Lunar travel . And 1 other thing , I'm tired of my tax dallors be waisted All in the Name of " Government Military Contractors WELFARE " Good example here : Innovative Designs ; Boeing $30 Million dallors...and That's just 1 of the 3 design companies

All the great world powers are once more racing to plant their flag on a new world. The free nations must participate in that race and win it or risk China doing it.

Okay... I couldn't resist the humor. MJ would have loved to have performed his Moonwalk on the Moon I would imagine. As for the man, I believe in the justice systems many democracies have, so I have to put a lot of weight on the fact that MJ was never convicted criminally. I have to consider the fact that the man may have never committed any crimes. Many people would argue with me. I was not there, so I could never truly say I knew what happened. I know he made a lot of his fans very happy.

Well, with as totally bonkers as you've mad yourself out to be it's a good thing your opinion doesn't matter. That'd be terrible if it for some reason did.

They need an 8 seat vehicle even though they’re only sending 4 astronauts at a time…

@@zachb1706 It's job can be to transport equipment and materials to other locations, which would require some of those bunks and seats to stow away like in a Dodge Caravan, or some other method. Most importantly though, I am thinking about the future. In another 10 years it may be seldom that there is only 4 to 10 men on the moon. China could have some people there, along with other countries. By the time the Dune buggies arrive on the moon, they will start to need the vehicles I am talking about almost right away.

right?... look how many times they postponed past Manned Moon Missions.... ALL of them since the last time that said we set foot on it... kinda has people questioning... did they even go there at all?

So double the normal range? So you'd need at least a 246 kWh battery. To charge that in 4 hours you'd need 80 amps or 61,500 watts of solar panels. Solar panels make 200 watts/m^2 so you'd need 307.5m^2 of solar panels. A tennis court is 261m^2. So no, that cannot work.

You are right. Given all that it is better to drop pre fabricated solar panels to make a power grid with AI these days nothing is impossible..@@filonin2

Honestly before its all said and done you may be right, I still cant believes tesla put a car on orbit around mars

Cybertruck is a terrible option, it's a car, not a moon rover

this must be a joke... of course

@@raptorwhite6468 Please explain why TAXPAYERS must spend BILLIONS of dollars for a *one off* single purpose machine rather than spending a few millions to adapt an existing EV? The big reason why SpaceX was able to make the lowest bid for the HLS was because it is only asking the taxpayers to pay for *modifications* to a vehicle which is intended to be manufactured in thousands of units for other customers. Why does that economic principle not equally apply to a Lunar Rover? Of course an off the shelf Cybertruck would break down in short order

@@jamescobban857 Cybertruck is so far from being a lunar rover that it just can't be modified to become one, it would literally just have to be a completely different vehicle. - it's extremely heavy, which is never a good thing in spaceflight - it has a lot of unnecessary parts and systems that would make it harder to maintain - none of its parts have any sort of protection from lunar regolith - high temperature gradients on the Moon would definitely have a negative impact on its performance - regular rubber tires aren't the best option to use on the Moon - the vehicle would probably get stuck quickly, unless more complex modifications are made - it's unnecessarily big, as of now space for only two astronauts is required So after turning it into a rover, probably the only major part that could remain unchanged would be batteries, assuming they can withstand the temperatures. All that to make something that would still be very far from perfection.

It already exists, the moon is tidally locked and we have multiple satellites already in orbit of earth that have lunar gps functionality. You just dont know because why would you? Whens the last time you used gps on the moon?

@@A_piece_of_broccoli Well, I'm going next month and I wanted to know if Google Maps would work. I had no idea! Eventually Luna will need its own system though, especially for the far side.

Wouldn't it be called LPS or MPS?

@@IvanKapor I reckon so. Damn my Earth-bound thinking.

Because it's a car, not a moon rover

who would even think that was a good idea?

@@raptorwhite6468 it is an EV and all terrain. A few mods? lol why not?

@@Helliconia54 A few mods? Well: - the entire body of the car is extremely heavy, so as much of it as possible should be removed and probably made of different material, maybe carbon fiber - most of the computers would be unnecessary, self driving would be impossible anyway - it may be an all terrain car, but that doesn't include the moon, the very fine and sharp dust is unlike anything on Earth, so modifications to suspension and wheels would be necessary, along with specialized tires - a lot other parts should be removed; they should get rid of three seats, as well as anything that's added only for the car to be comfortable and fancy - no need for that on the Moon - engines and all the other moving parts have to be protected from the regolith, otherwise it will quickly destroy them - the batteries could maybe stay, assuming they can withstand the temperature gradients, which I doubt So, literally not a single part would remain unchanged

that thing isn't fit for the Earth let alone on the Moon.

it may as well be a "toy" ... NASA has cancelled every single proposed Manned Mission to the Moon since.... this cannot be by chance... there MUST be a reason they HAVEN'T been back.