Oblivion was and still continues to be my favorite game of all time.

Forgotten, never. I'll never forget the first time I crawled out of the sewer into Cyrodiil and I'll never forget climbing down the spiral staircase into my first Ayleid ruin.

I gotta say that Vin Diesel pic when you said "obsessed with family" really made me laugh.

This being the first Elder Scrolls game I ever played before even knowing what Elder Scrolls actually was what a wild experience never before had I ever played a sandbox it took me weeks before I first leveled up because I didn't rest I just wanted to go go go

I don't know if it's on here, as I've only just clicked the video. I love the theory that Martin isn't Akatosh's chosen, but actually Dagon's. That all of it was actually his plan, including the reincarnated Akatosh banishing him from Nirn. Dagon is the Prince of Destruction, Change and Revolution. He's not Molag Bal, and certainly doesn't have the same intentions as him. Changing one Empire into another ruled by Elves in the Mythic Dawn isn't change for him. It's also why he wants the PC in Skyrim to kill the last remaining Mythic Dawn cultist. Clinging to old ways and old views is everything he's against, so whilst it certainly looks like a 'muhahaha I'm so evil' moment, it makes perfect sense for him when one actually knows what he wants and represents. Sheorograth is Chaos. Molag Bal is Domination. Dagon is Destruction and Revolution, and at the end of Oblivion's story, the world of Nirn, and even Akatosh himself is forever changed, all according to his plan, which thanks to you, succeeded ever so perfectly.

I've always taken to the theory that the giant items were the imperial regalia and throne of the second emperor, son of Alessia and Morihaus the divine bull. He was a minotaur and apparently enormous, given he was a demigod. But after his reign the xenophobic Alessian crusades stamped out nonhuman contributions and they would have thrown the nonhuman emperor's things into the basement.

The levitation act reminds me of a quote from a novel called Rasselas: Prince of Abissinia. "If, sir, men were all virtuous, I should with great alacrity teach them all to fly. But what would be the security of the good if the bad could at pleasure invade them from the sky? Against an army sailing through the clouds neither wall, nor mountains, nor seas could afford any security."

I thought I WAS watching either a Fudgemuppet/Camelworks video until 40:07. Very well done video, sir. Glad there's another KZfaqr covering ES lore - especially Oblivion.

Pretty sure White Gold tower has solid lore around it that negates the possibility of it being a molag bal temple

In “Thief of Virtue”, it mentions Sutch being located in Hammerfell. I imagine the idea was that the city was spread out on both sides of the Brena River, probably at the mouth

Well, the Deep Ones being the Sload is the most plausible and probably best option to the mystery of the village in Oblivion. For, you know, the Sloads were never defeated, they only went underwater and never came back. But what if they're trying to re-emerge in vegeance? I would love to see more of the Sloads and their culture. Snail-like people that are masters of death! Soud cool to me...

The thing about Alesia creating the dragons probably refers to Alessia developing the Imperial pantheon of gods by synthesizing individual gods from the Elven and Nordic traditions that would become the 8 (later 9) divines popular in the Empire. By combining the Elven Time God Auri-El with the Nordic Time God Alduin, she created the idea of a universal, multi-faced Time God in Akatosh. Through the worship of this new interpretation of the existing time gods, the modern Akatosh was created as part of the over-soul that includes Auri-El and Alduin. Because of this, Akatosh was a ‘new’ identity and yet had always existed as a god because his power applied retroactively, allowing him to create the dragons before Alesia. Something similar happened when Talos ascended (also as part of an over-soul) and changed Cyrodiil from a jungle to temperate retroactively throughout time.

Damn, Oblivion really had the best soundtrack. Just hearing it in the background brings me back to when I first played it back in 2007. Skyrim had an okay soundtrack, but it was mostly just layers of drawn out strings. Oblivion had very clear and memorable melodies, with often one main instrument taking the forefront.

I love how many perspectives you include for each theory. Great work!

I’ll never forget walking through the woods in oblivion for hours as a kid, unsure of where to go or how to interact with any of the UI. Randomly stumbling across castles and cabins in extremely out of the way places, made me feel like perhaps I was the first one discovering it. I still find secrets in this nearly 20 year old game.

I'd like to point our that during the E3 demo, Sutch was a city in the game. For whatever reason, it was removed.

I love the Levitation Act, even though people can still launch themselves into the air like omni man lmao. I would say it was still permitted because of the armistice due to how dependent many House Telvanni members are on it to navigate their towers. Either way, I doubt Telvanni magisters would care if imperials said they can't fly anymore.

Considering the Draconis family: What if Perennia Draconis was the one who put out the kill order on Matthieu Bellamont's mother? Since Matthieu Bellamont is not only a Dark Brotherhood member, but a member of the _Black Hand,_ I think it's believable that he would find out she was the one behind his mother's death. Outraged, he would arrange for Perennia to be executed. Not only that, he would also arrange for _her entire family_ to be killed as well, just to twist the knife in further. Really takes the "I'll kill your whole family" threat to a new level, because let's face it: If there's anyone who can back up a threat like that, it's the fucking Dark Brotherhood.

There’s also the Theory that Pelinal is a shezzarine since he does have a large hatred of elves, had legendary feats and cleary has a strong connection to the gods. Personally I think he was a divine construct. Kinda like a “robot” but less “beep boop” and more like a divine machine ; a artificial Et’ada if you will. As for the Hero, I think it was a gradual process of becoming Pelinal, with both flactuating between personalites. Keep in mind the process of manteling goes two ways; Sheogorth for instance became a bit calmer and nicer during Skyrim and you cure someone of their madness with him, implying the Hero was infulcening sheo. This may also work with the Hero becoming Pelinal in Oblivion but the Hero keeping him from randomly killing elves. So now you have three beings; a daedric prince, a angry genocidal crusader and a weeping Hero all in control of a body. I have no mouth and I must scream style. This also fits with Sheogorath’s motif which is three heads fused into one.

Fun fact: in the Russian localization of oblivion the "deep ones" are translated as "deep water denizens" which gives more credit to the sload theory

Such an amazing video. I was never expecting really the in-depth lore investigations!

some of these theories could make some really cool quests. find some cave far away that takes you underground leading to a deep one at the end. meanwhile you were expecting a necromancer...

Morrowind was allowed to keep its own laws and cultures if they allowed the empire to claim ownership of their province. Which is why Levitation was allowed in Morrowind as well as slavery and other things

Could the large furniture and other Artifacts be for Morihaus the Man Bull? He's described as being a large minotaur in the song of pelinel but his statue in oblivion depicts him as Nede human like man so idk

I got so excited when I saw you posted another iceberg video! I've really come to enjoy them as there's always things I didn't know about on them! I did some searching on KZfaq about a week ago for an iceberg video on the Dead Space franchise, but couldn't find anything. Perhaps you could make a video on it? That would be amazing! Keep up the excellent work!

Headcannon: Sutch was destroyed either during or shortly after the Simulacrum and never recovered, with most of the residents moving to nearby towns and the ruins scavenged until nothing was left but the fort.

Best thing about Oblivion that skyrim lacks is the fulfilment of completing a quest. As ur renown grew, so did ur titles. Ur factions had rankings. Skyrim was lackluster in that regard. And rhe quests felt rushed except for main ones.

Levitation was the reason why the Wizard's Staff was the most useful magic item in Morrowind.

Low key was waiting for you to do this one

THE MOMENT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR

I always imagined the “deep ones” looked like the creatures from the movie: The Village

The Draconis mom trying to mantle the Night Monther is completely bonkers but I can see the plausibility of it.

Back in 2008 i was 14 years old. I remember hearing people in school talking about oblivion, all the time. I didnt play oblivion, i hadnt got into the genre. But it left me a memory of a game much loved back then. I bought oblivion for my ps3 last year haha, and i love it

thank you for that amazing video! I grew up with this game and it influenced me a lot :) today I get goosebumps when I hear the Soundtrack like All's Well or Harvest Dawn. It is such an incredible game !!!

I STARTED THIS GAME AT 6 YEARS OLD! Back in 2007. Now I’m 20. This game shaped my life.

Brilliant! Excellent video 👍

thank you for not making a 40 minute video of an iceberg photo with text blocks

Oblivion > Skyrim.

The Pelinal Whitestrake is the Hero of Kvatch theory is hilarious to me, because with him also becoming Sheogorath that fits the mad god character so well, I can just imagine him telling that story over a cup of tea "I used to be a mere mortal myself you know? I was a hero back in the day, saved Nirn and everything, then of course the old Sheogorath turned into Jyggalag and I took his place. Then some time later Akatosh sent me back to the merethic era to go on a genocidal crusade against the elves, then I saved the world again, so on, so on, ect. ect, you get the picture"

The passing of the levitation act should have resulted in a lot of Telvanni Terrorism. The fact it didn't, is clearly completely lore breaking and I refuse to acknowledge its existence therein! Lol

I began out with Morrowind I guess back in the early 2000s. Oblivion, Skyrim, ESO. I never got into this aspect of it all. The gameplay captured me. With the coming of the next game, I will focus more on lore. Thanks for opening our eyes

Underrated asf channel keep it up

gotta say at 31:20 I spit my water at Uriel Septim with a Leon Kennedy haircut

I was always under the impression that Bellamont's "mother" was actually an ex-Night Mother, may Sithis embrace her, and Bellamont himself was just insanely paranoid the Black Hand would come for him because he stole her head from her body.

Oblivion was my first Elder Scrolls game and it has a special place in my heart. I can't get it to run on my computer properly when I try and play it with a controller, so i haven't been able to play it in a long time but I miss it dearly. I will be looking forward to when I can play Skyblivion.

One theory I stand by is there was once a third beast race that predates the Elves. The Ayleids. The elves were a powerful group, and Umaril the Unfeathered, well he's called Unfeathered for a reason. Elves don't have wings, and Khajiit have been mentioned to be spotted in Cyrodiil early in the timeline outside of Elswyer. So what I say is that the Ayleids were once a beast race, killed off by the Elves and they took the race's name and built cities over the remains of the original people's settlements, hence the elf race without the Mer name. With magic they made themselves into the former race, but remained mostly elven, gaining wings to be seen on statues and Umaril himself. Makes some sense eh?

This was Sutch a good video! 😗

SO WELL DONE

This game will always be THE one for me. Not Morrowind, not Skyrim.

He sounds like the guy from vivaladirtLeague, Ben. Look him up of you don’t believe me, great video regardless!

3:59 That city is in Hammerfell. The quote reads: "In the land of Hammerfell in the city of Sutch there lived a Baron who was quite wealthy." Possible the fort was named after the city in hammerfell

The iceberg goes as deep as Shaegorath allows clearly. Until Jygalagg comes out and stops it every so often atleast...

Now i want to play it again... game of my childhood... good times.

Oblivion was my first tes game. Still love it

As for the "Hero of Kvatch is Pelinal", I could actually believe it due to a little gimmick behind mantling: that by mantling someone, you are in turn making them you, similar to how Sheogorath became less malicious in Skyrim by being mantled by a mortal (to the point of treating madness, which should be totally antithetical to his whole being). It wouldn't be the first time that the universe itself retconed reality to solve paradoxes, and I can see the HoK's knowledge of the future sorta leaking backwards into Pelinal's, and so he became at least somewhat aware of humanity's success in taking command of Tamriel, especially with the Reman bloodline. Alternatively, he was a time-travelling robot.

Oblivion, to me anyway, always seemed like it had a lot of loose ends or unfinished content. Kinda of like how the first fable game felt unfinished in places, until they released fable the lost chapters.

By Azura, by Azura, by Azura! It's the Grand Champion! I can't believe it's you! Standing here! Next to me!

There's a quest in Oblivion where a Dunmer cultist believes the Oblivion Crisis is brought forth by an entity known as The Sunken One, or He Who Shakes The Ground. He goes into a cavern to appease the entity and is never heard from again. When you follow in his footsteps, you come across his corpse and a storm atronach called The Sunken One. Now, I don't believe that the atronach is actually the entity the Dunmer cultist was referring to (things just don't add up), but there could be some connection to the Deep Ones here too.

Very good

I had never considered this until now but with regards to the giant throne beneath the white gold tower he left out two important figures. 1. The demigod Morihaus who was Alessia’s lover, he was said to be a winged man-bull so that would’ve warranted a large throne. 2. Belharza the Man-Bull, who was the son of Morihaus and the first of the Minotaurs. (Morihaus was less of a Minotaur and more of a demigod) Belharza, unlike his father, also became second emperor of the Allesian empire. CONCLUSION: I’d wager all of my marbles that the throne in the white gold towers basement belonged to Emperor Belharza the Man-Bull. As far as I know Belharza is the only known emperor who’s stature was much greater than a normal man, and, although his descendants would fall far from grace, seeing as he was the second emperor I would imagine he needed a big throne to sit his big Minotaur ass on.

The first video game I really got into on console back before Skyrim. Way before. The good ol days! Doing another replay. Have replayed base game since back then but not the shivering isles, I can't wait!

They shouldn't have tried to explain removing Levitation at all in a game where you break the law all the time

Super in depth Sutch lore

sutch in my own head cannon was moved by a pwoerful mage into a unknown relm seperate to nurn and oblivion during the time period in between morrowind and oblivion. i now await to be proven wrong by bethesda(which is more likely than being right) but i still like the idea as it leaves it open for DLC in ES6 where you find out about it and attempt to restore it back to nurn

Bro why does uriel septim have the emo spiderman hair

Oblivion is something I feel should have a remastered version with updated textures and and visuals/mechanics and voice actors. Oblivion seemed so much more in depth then Skyrim and had more unique items.

Okay I got to the hero of kavach Time travel section Wild idea but does the dragonborn have any dialogue options that allude to a past Because somebody connected to the dragon god of time suddenly appearing seems to be a reoccurring event in history

The town of sutch is cut content, there is a pretty nice video by Triangle city explaining it.

I hear NWN audio, and I love it

I'm not familiar with the intricacies of Elder Scrolls lore, I don't tend to read the books in-game, so this was really cool! I got to learn a lot about the world, and even theories to explain them. This video was great. 👍 I have my own theories on two of them myself, at least the stuff I was made aware of when playing (note that I still don't know that much about Elder Scrolls lore, the former could be completely wrong): With the enlarged items, I think they're a part of some experimentation with new spells/magic, perhaps with the Elder Scroll itself. That's the vibe those items gave me, and it'd make sense they would be in the basement, given they served their purpose by being altered by said experiment. With the theory on who contracted the Dark Brotherhood to assassinate the Draconia family: I've always believed the reasoning for why the entire family was arranged to be assassinated was because the arranger genuinely hated/despised one person in the family, someone they wanted them to suffer so much, that they wanted the entire family dead. Like in "whodunnit?" you can pick up on potential reasonings for why someone would hate a member of the Draconis family. Matthias is rude to others, which is self-explanatory; Caelia is described by her mother's gift list to have "broke so many hearts when she was younger" so a grudge from a former admirer is possible; Sibylla is nearly feral & is said to "probably attack anyone on sight" in the gift list, so I could see killing someone/injuring someone as a possibility; Andreas is pretty direct with his dislike for undesirable customers (ex. the player if his disposition is low), although I admit that's a stretch; and I honestly can't think of any reason for Perennia. It's also possible the person who arranged the contract was unhinged, I mean, assuming my theory is correct, to kill someone's entire family because of one family member, you'd have to at least be a little unhinged to have that sort of logic.

There is a card in the elder scrolls legends that shows the deep one as an ancient storm atronach

Oblivion was my first elder scrolls truly magical

I thought was literally about an iceberg you can find in game, swim to the bottom of & see how deep it goes

I really hope we see some Elder Scrolls references in Starfield. Like a ship called the Whitestrake

Alessia couldn’t be buried in the Temple of the One because the Temple wasn’t built until after she died. Its name refers to the god worshipped by the Alessian Order, which only emerged after her death and the ascension of the prophet Maruk.

At 05:00 what music is playing in the background?

this game is so cool, for a 2006 game it still looks great for base game. am shock a studio would release a game like this with these types of interacts.

The lore is one of the reasons I love the elder scrolls

3:57 In the book you show it wrote that the City of Sutch is in Hammerfall, Hammerfall is western province of Cyrodill. In Oblivion you play in Cyrodill land of the Imperial, Hammerfell is the land of the Redguard people

Morrowind was revolutionary and Skyrim was popular sure but Oblivion will always be memorable due to its absolutely unlimited meme potential

I find it interesting that pelinal whitestrake calls morihous nephew which could mean hes shors or Kynes brother since the winged man bull was the son of kyne I like to think its shors literal brother and why he hates elves so much is the elven gods slew his brother and tore his heart out

First time i knew almost all of it, great video!

how could they remove sutch an interesting town 😥

Alessia was from the area Tiber Septim originated from. He was said to be a Breton who claimed to be from Atmora. It may not be traceable, but it is still possible he's descended from Alessia's line. We don't really know what happened to all her children or later descendants. Hell, we don't even know for certain how many children she actually ended up having. It is likely Sort(?) was destroyed during Tiber Septim's war to conquer the lands that made up the Empire, and the timeline would place it's founding during the first era, like Sancre Tor, which has decayed over the centuries. The old forts in Skyrim likely come from the same time period or a little later, due to the style differences.. The question should be - why weren't they maintained? Yes, the Empire was at peace for long stretches, but a wise one knows that when it comes to Empires, they always fall sooner or later. Tamriel had already suffered several invading forces - the Sload, the Akiviri, , the Yokudans, even the Atmorans. The sea elves attacked Alinor at one point, showing anyone could be attacked at any time by any number of strange creatures. Pelinal is NOT the hero of Kavach. Pelinal is not not a man. He was sent by the god, Akatosh, answering Alessia's prayers. You may have mantled him temporarily to finish his final mission, but you do not become him. Remun was the name of the next Emperor, making his call likely foresight.

This is the first game in the elderscrolls i ever played. I had never played one but it shocked me how amazing amd awsome a game could be

This makes me so much more excited for skyblivion...the potential....

Is there a morrowind iceberg anywhere that would be cool

"Deep and exciting adventures"... Potato bread.

Answer to Next of Kin is your second part. It is LITERRALY stated in the game that this orders were faked by the Belamont as member of the Black Hand.

Takeaway of this vid: Kirkbride is a writing genius who makes shit up on command and he is not to be trusted under any circumstance lest he soul traps you.

I thought there was a iceberg in oblivion haha I am so dumb

You gonna cover any more parts of the iceberg? Or another repetitive, ten minute entry like sutch?

The realms of oblivion dont follow standard linear time. Sutch could very well be the hollow city and still existing in cyrodil simultaniously

My all time favorite. I love Oblivion.

31:06 "bEIng the prince of mAADNeessss"

neverwinter music!!! kudos :)

What the fuck, was literally just searching and saw this one lol.

That's a lot of theorizing over a minor city that was just forgotten/cut during Oblivion's development lol

Pelinal's description sounds a lot like Mega Man.

The ESI take place during what is effectively a civil war on the continent, it could have been just depopulated/repopulated, abandoned/reclaimed even multiple times during the Interregnum. Not to mention such possibilities as being haunted by a vampire clan and abandoned as a result of this, or anything else of this sort. Also, there later were the Tiber Wars which led to the beginning of the Third Empire and the 3rd era, maybe, like, Sutch was destroyed as a showcase of the Numidium's power, but such details were omitted in any official Empire's sources cause of course our first emperor and ascended ninth divine was a good guy? Just a theory here