Two spirit tribes members took many different roles in the west. Some were negotiators, some warriors, some stood out in the middle of the trail screaming childish political chants blocking their fellow tribesmen trying to forage and hunt for “social justice”.

​@@andoriannationalist3738 typical Andorian 🙄

Native Americans would still be living in mud hut, doing slavery, human sacrifice, and cannibalism if it was not for white people civilizing them. So save me all the crocodile tears.

They are hardly feel (" peacekeepers" )from Tribes

Beautifully articulated, mate. I have a large garden, grow from seed to seed and share my bounty with my neighbors and family. Nothin’ better than diggin’ in da dirt, walkin’ barefoot in da dirt, eatin’ da dirt (in the form of veggies), keeping worm farms and recycling all kitchen waste and dried leaves and grass clippings into compost (soil). The Wind, One Brilliant Day The wind, one brilliant day, called to my soul with an odor of jasmine. "In return for the odor of my jasmine, I'd like all the odor of your roses." "I have no roses; all the flowers in my garden are dead." "Well then, I'll take the withered petals and the yellow leaves and the waters of the fountain." the wind left. And I wept. And I said to myself: "What have you done with the garden that was entrusted to you?" Antonio Machado Translated by Robert Bly

And what is connection to nature? Is it just Vegan? Or is it planting more trees? Is it loving like a caveman just for few seconds so you can comment in a video that you are superior? Or is it going around hunting and eating other animals? I wonder should I create my own?

Beautiful

This is exactly why I converted to paganism. Once you realize that everything and everyone is one, it just makes sense to revere and respect nature, instead of trying to extract value from it for profit.

Indians were ironically the best Christians they didnt judge they didn't believe they can own earth they believed everyone is equal and the body is a temple the tribes of america may not have known Abt jesus but they definitely followed better than anyone I've ever heard of Christian or not IDC they knew how to make it to the afterlife

Interesting

are your friends stupid or are you experiencing hallucinations like everyone else... the land being stolen is the least cruel of all that has been done to them

Owning was a thing though

Owning yes but not land, that's a white man's idea. Our connecting to the land is sacred and you can't own or buy something sacred

Амин - Amen.

These were my thoughts as well. The western tradition is varied and it is up to each generation to determine which line of thought is emphasized.

Christ is the fullfillment of all philosphy because He Is the Truth. That was the whole idea of catholicism(catholic means universal) where all the world is brought together as one family in Christ. It has always been a tug of war though between this ideal, and those who want power. Take care and God bless

@@johnphipps4105yes a lot of religions holes are filled by Christ

@@johnphipps4105 Don't you think every religious person thinks this about their own religion? Why should all the world be brought together under Catholicism, as opposed to Sikhism, Islam, Protestantism, Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism, and so on? Aside from the obvious answer- because Catholicism is your own religion, so it's obviously the best one... The idea of every religion is to be the 'best' and 'correct' religion. This kind of arrogant thinking keeps us divided.

That's so incredibly kind. I appreciate these comments more than you know!

Why I it always Cherokee? And that's not their word for themselves.

Unless you know specifically which of your (recent) ancestors were natives, I'd refrain from claiming such. Far too many people try to claim Native heritage with scant evidence.

To those asking, my Great Great Grandmother was on the Dawes Rolls because of her being on the trail of tears. One can’t be a citizen of the Cherokee Nation without proving this, and yes, the name that the Cherokee historically used a different from their current classification. I’m just saying what’s on my card, because again, I didn’t choose to be called Cherokee. And I want to make that clear because I want to maintain respect towards those ancestors for whom it WAS their culture. I hope that clears things up.🙂

@@duaneelliott5194 When I studied Native American culture, or actually the history of the US trying to destroy it, I found a reference to a strategy some Cherokee men reportedly adopted post Trail of Tears. They decided to take back their country by having as many babies with the foreigners as possible, it was a long game strategy. Maybe it worked, it was a long time ago.

You bet. Thanks for being here!

Truly one of the main reasons why I thought to cover this and relate it to the type of philosophy we study.

@epochphilosophy indeed many of my own cultures philosphies i was taught from stories, general teachings and my many family and community memebrs parroting sayings who no one knows how old they are but are all meant to teach us the philosophies that had run our society since before colonialism, the ones that merged or that remained untouched despite the tons of mixing going on and alot of incorporation of newer ideas. One of the biggest teachings i take to heart is the idea of walking two roads, im not sure what you would call this sociopolitical philosophy? im not sure what to exactly call it but the idea is that you must be able to function in both your own native culture and in the "white man's world" but this really just means the modern industrial world and their seemingly contradicting values. A neccessary way of thinking in order to adapt to a world which wanted to very much destroy that so called red road representing our culture only leaving the single path. but you must learn when to walk which road in your life ie walking the white road at the right time means to drop the spiritualisms, changing your dialect to standard engiish instead of the dialect on your reservation or urban core for those not in reserves, etc. while walking the red road at the right time is learning to stick to your traditions and cultures even if you might neccissarily not believe in the religious or spiritual aspects. i personally view alot of the spiritualisms through a pseduo-sprititual scientific lense where I rationalize everything under the scienetific method but i am open to admitting that there are things where its not as useful cuz for example philsophy is asking questions and thinking of thought experiments which are abstract and unable to be tested yet we find much use in this discipline. Religion and spriritualism serve their roles mainly the role of social cohesion. Im sure many optimistic nihilists know the notion of how religion or an adequate replacement for it is neccessary for society which is embodied by nietzche's philosophies and his hatred of nihilism. I want to add a little tid bit about the idea of the self, it is important like you said to keep in mind many people differ from the notions outlined in the video since it was just so many damn cultures and identies and ways of thinking. in my culture the idea of the self is very present with collectivism not sacrificing the individual and the two are not seen as opposing forces politically. It is seen that individuals must collectivize and collaborate in order to not only survive but to thrive; we had found a balance in our old lifestyle where we found abundance for much of the time due to the massive reaping of meat from the massive buffalo herds which we would kill en masse using the buffalo jump. (an actually pretty rare thing since it requires a specific terrain only found where the plains turn to foot hills then cliffs high enough to kill animals in a fall but not too tough terrain for humans to traverse long distances.) I think a good analogy or atleast the closest I have yet to come across in western philosophy that mirrors my culture, the blackfoot, and our conception of this individuality and the collective is the ideas of Max Stirner and his work like the ego and its own. I think I was much more easily able to understand his often misconstrued ideas. as for two spirits in my culture gender is expressed by labour practiced or roles in the community. ie a woman being a warrior would be considered two spirit or our sense of transgender male. The same with a male who took up domestic duties with the woman was treated as such. And with a well known story in our community about the first man and women who realized that both men and women needed eachother to survive even though they might not get along all of the time. in the story the woman for example doesnt like the mans smell and sloppyness in eating. A typical stereotype of men in many cultures, and its metaphorical of course but they end up finding out that for example the man doesnt know how to make clothes and cant afford to take to time he needs to spend hunting to learn to make it. The woman has her epiphany and then its meant to teach us the importance of gender equality from an early age. we also pair this with teachings (though not as much from older folks} about the two spirit and non heterosexual sexualities. You are taught that they may be a male acting like a woman but since they do womanly things and wish to express themselves as female thencyou respect it. Btw the expression of gender does ofcourse extend beyond labour into other ways of expression like dress, mannerisms and interests and its not treated with stigma outside of those who have adopted christian views and view the act of homosexuals and transgender people as sinners. A thing i like to add just that is sort of a tangent, that shows what i mean about adaptation. my grandma and my mom adapted christianity and merged it with our indigenous sundance religion while I have merged science like astrophysics and my indgenous religion. but either way we incorporate new ideas from western culture which we find compatible or which change our perspectives in ways we deem positive and dont remain static. So these philosophies are changing all the time. each generation comes with different ideas. W2

@epochphilosophy also i wanted to say that you did a very good job of relating the many philosophies youve touched on before this video on your channel. I was ecstatic to see you making a video on the topic. If you ever want to do a follow up video id love to help you out in anyway since I grew up in my homelands and still keep in contact with many family and community members including elders who all know tons about our own people but also the people of the region's philosphical beliefs. Im from the northern great plains btw, im from the blackfoot confederacy and in specific the kainai first nation. This region has alot of philosphical ideas in different philosophies like metaphysics, epistemology (pragmatism is a big thing here, but its very different than american settler pragmatism and the movement it got its name from), ethics, politics, etc.

Thank you so much!

That’s such a kind comment. Thanks so much.

Thanks for sharing this! Indigenous, and even eastern philosophy is relatively new to me so these are super useful.

Mine, and most White people I know are affected by not being 'allowed' to recognize how they are indigenous peoples. They are the only peoples actively discouraged from knowing of their tribes and how they were destroyed long before globalists shipped them throughout the world to help.destroy tribes in other regions. All other peoples are told to worship their ancestors. Those indigenous to Europe are attacked if they want to worship theirs. Antiwhiteism is the great evil of our time.

I can't believe there aren't more comments calling this guy out. Half of his sentences don't make any sense.

Thanks so much. Hope to do more outside western philosophy.

The problem is how you define "greater". Sadly many people think that means "more control over those around me".

Good point

I have not and I will need to check this out. David Graeber always pops up in my head whenever reading things around indigenous history.

The book is named “No spiritual Surrender”

Phenomenal way to put it. I will definitely check out those texts!

Braiding Sweetgrass 💪

Hell ya. Thanks dude. Appreciate the support an absolute ton. From me, outside of public videos, I have some Patreon podcast/content, but there's also plenty of great channels like PlasticPills, CCK Philosophy, Then & Now, 1Dime, etc. I very much recommend!

There is plenty of monism is western thought. It lost it's favout in the early 20th century for a mroe analytic approach, but that was just a phase. We have been exploring mind/body relationships in various fields for decades now.

Very good to know! Thanks.

The recipe is quite simple ??? Pork Fat some Maple ???

Assigning value to material objects is the way we moved from trading cows for sheep, and got our species to modern levels of advancement. Think about that.

@@RhetoricalMuse always better to trade things of actual value and worth though, and always will be.

@@krono5el Those things are asigned value too. Everything is. This is why it was a poor mechanism. Gold and silver are assigned value so that a more stable and equitable trade can occur. One can also accumulate assets and sell assets. Fast forward to money.

@@RhetoricalMuse thats only if you want to control people and slave trade a bit when you assign worthless things value. imagine being stranded somewhere without a way to contact anyone for a while, would you want a grain a rice or a lump of gold.

@@krono5el *thats only if you want to control people and slave trade a bit when you assign worthless things value* You say many things but explain very little. How do you determine what is 'valuable'? 'Controlling people' doesn't require economics. Humans were traded as capital way before money was created. There are records of slave trading as far back as 11, 000 years! This false conflation of 'bad things' to 'money' (or it's derivative) is false on a multiude of levels. Might be a good idea to read into economics and how capitalism is the best tool ever derived to pull people and nations out of poverty. It also lead to mass education for all (when income tax was introduced). *Imagine being stranded somewhere without a way to contact anyone for a while, would you want a grain a rice or a lump of gold.* Neither. You seem to be mixing two different things here. Think of Maslow's needs. Needs change depending on the situation of the person.

Here you go: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/osxpg5icq5O4qWw.htmlsi=rM3xhJ3ABkeso7dx

They too are a people who are being genocided. So in a spiritual collective way is how I can see the similarities. Despite the cultures being different. We as humans are all the similar and are brothers and sisters there is no identity in countries race or in societal identity but in the soul and universe we all collectively share.

Depends on the cultures 🙄

Also, on categories: They aren't meant to be rigid. They are as chaotic and ever-changing as Everything. Categories evolve and change as our understanding of things evolves and changes.

My absolute pleasure. Thanks for the comment and thanks for being here!

@@epochphilosophy Well, thank you for giving me the opportunity to be and making indigenous philosophy more accessible.

I clarified that at the very beginning of the video.

@@epochphilosophy I apologize. I'm from Mexico and I have an oversensitive eye for this. I posted before watching more than 10 seconds. Thanks for your video.

@@goatskip No problem. I understand that sensitivity. Would like to delve into more anthropological topics in the future that may include central America! Hope you enjoyed the video.

And the Greek Oracles.

Why don't you follow up on his source? They go into that for you.

i think europeans all know they come from europe no matter where they're born.

Felt like it was more about promoting his own viewpoint than actually discussing Native American Philosophy for much of the video. I kinda felt like I left the vid with no more than I came into it with, honestly.