I'll take that one step further. When people judge the greatness of individual players, they always talk about defense being half the game. They also look at all the aspects of a player individually and how they make him the basketball equivalent of baseball's "five tool" players. But that thinking leads people to rank players based on a concept of how much they'd like to match up with the guy on the court *rather than* the total impact of the player on wins. Steph's defense, while never mistaken for perimeter shut-down quality, is good for what they ask him to do as part of TEAM defense. As long as a team is five players, true greatness should be judged by impact on a compatible team, not imaginary one-on-one.

You are right it’s curry its curry🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

Curry got better skills than magic but that boi ankles would not have held up lol

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Well put! 👏

The GOAT of all the hardwood on earth - and it's a no-brainer.

Steph>Jordan all day long

@@inertiaspinner555curry is my favorite player but no

​@@inertiaspinner555 Nah that's pushing it... Curry is my favourite player and I think he has a case against magic on best point guard but he isn't over Jordan

100% Top 4 All Time Revolutionized the 3 pt shot that bigs are pulling it from beyond the arch is outstanding

as short asian guy, steph make me want to try playing basketball instead just watching it, because i know with hard work i can still be relevant.

His popularity is only with the fans. Many players from both the previous or older generation, hate that he changed the game.

@@gingerblue2265which is what only puts him higher on the list.

Yes GO STEPH

I've been a diehard warrior fan since a couple years before magic and bird were drafted...i never thought I'd see a warriors chip let alone 4...Steph is unbelievable but magics legacy is better... Steph wins another or two then it's arguable

No he’s not

Magic blows Curry outta water. It's not even close. When we discuss the top 5 players of all time, Magic is always a solid candidate. Curry OTOH has trouble cracking top 10. That's how big the gap is. Curry did NOT change the game. The league changed rules to water the defense down and let these wing players shine. That's what happened.

@@TellenJones who's better Jordan or LeBron?

No he ain’t. Ain’t no way he better than magic Johnson

MJ, Shaq, Duncan, Curry, Bird.

@@clavo3324 MJ, Wilt, Russell, Bird, Oscar. Steph is on the second team along with Nate Thurmond, Pete Maravich, Kevin McHale, and Charles Barkley or Robert Parish.

He is not a PG he is a SG

Here's my Mt. Rushmore; MJ, Lebron, Curry, Shaq. Steph surpassed Magic's in many ways but he's still not the best PG. That belongs to Johnson and Johnson only

Hey bennysnickers I lov what you pointed out here about Steph and I agree with you! Now check out what I'm saying about Steph vs Magic, and let me know what you think? Here's the counter argument: Steph is much better scorer than Magic. Magic needed the help of a top 3 all time player (Kareem) for all 5 of his rings, while Steph won multiple rings without another top 75 player. Magic inherited a great team, Steph built a dynasty out of a bad side. Lakers had 3 no.1 picks (Kareem, Magic, worthy) and a no.4 pick (Scott), GS have a mid lottery, late lottery and 2nd round picks as its core. The magic version of a PG is now irrelevant largely bcs of Steph. In today's game he'd only be marginally better than Ben Simmons. Minus his defense. Notes1: He built a warriors dynasty out of nothing! With no top draft picks. And won two championships without a top 75 player. Notes2: If Curry had a Kareem type big, he'd easily surpass Magic's assists average. If Curry wasn't always the best shooter on the floor, he'd be forced to pass more. If we're going to compare a pass first PG best stats (assists), we have to compare a shoot first PG's best stats (scoring). Magic had zero gravity because Kareem was the real threat. Magic was amazing, but Kareem was even better. Kareem and Magic are both top 10 of all time players. Curry's best teammate was KD, for only 3 years, and KD isn't even top 10 of all time. Curry's next best teammate isn't even in the top 75 of all time. Also its important to note that Steph avg 9.0 Asst per game. Right before Steve Kerr became Coach.

@@lynchone117 a lot of good points, except for the Magic Simmons comparison. That was disrespectful. But you're missing the whole picture. If you're arguing who's the best offensive player, than you'd be right. Curry is a better offensive player than Magic. I'd argue he's the GOAT offensive player. But Magic advantage in defense overtakes here. Magic, as a rookie, played center in a game 7 finals to win a chip, practically a game winner and FMVP. A few other points, teammates and championship don't matter as much in GOAT debates as individual accolades like MVPs, FMVPs and such. In a team perspective, curry and Durant is not such a huge underdog to Magic and Kareem. And pick numbers have nothing to do with strength of players, just means GS did a better job drafting. And even though Klay and Dray didn't make the top 75, they are arguably better than some players there, Klay definitely should have made it in. Now saying Curry built GS is a huge stretch. That is more Kerr and Bob Mayers than Curry. Just like Phil gets a lot of credit for Kobe and Jordan's rings. Having said all that they ARE close. I mean they are both top 10 and should be the undisputed top two PGs.

@@amirampeled no you missed my point about the magic/simmons I'm talking about defense and magic is not a good defender and never was period,he is no stopper one on one! And guys bring up that narrative every time like magic played center every time ,playoffs,reg.season games. That was just one game , so after the game he dominated so now all of a sudden hes this great defender,BS don't even insult my intelligence! Magic inherited a dynasty he was born with great Lakers teammates(HOFers) and had the best player at center too. Next you win championships with teammates period, Jordan is the only person I know of that won two of his chips without an all star player in 91 and 98. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/auCopJphtdDSc2w.htmlsi=GHRGUWlaPKwkOfmo I didn't even have to say because of Curry all of GWS success is attributed to him because " his coach steve kerr said it himself more than once" ,see I'm not dumb to what happened, With Steph personality,work ethic,openness to change none of their success happens he's the one that puts people in those seats,the jerseys sales,marketing, the owners went from nothing to the warriors worth over 5billion because of the Chef,people want to play with a winner, the owners took a gamble with him and won big for a kid with bad ankle, who could only shoot! Its Steph's team and it has been since that faithful day at MSG 54point outing! Once again like Kerr said you win with, all time great players and superstars those where his words not mine! This videos say it all why Curry is the Warriors their Success is because of him! Don't get it twisted why they have a Dynasty! He could have easily said no to KD comming to his team! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y8ebet1_1ru6n40.htmlsi=nzeTZuhJvCvwsrq4 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/auCopJphtdDSc2w.htmlsi=GHRGUWlaPKwkOfmo

@@amirampeled they are the undisputed top two no one's arguing that and he didn't miss the point. if you really paid attention to what he was saying, the IMPACT of what he is doing to the sport is equivalent to what Magic did during his time. Steph has a very legitimate argument for GOAT PG. accolades and all that is window-dressing to reel in the casual onlookers who aren't as well abreast of the situation as folks who study this school like it's their major in school lol.

@@amirampeledI wouldn’t say it was Kerr who built them I’d give that to the mark Jackson and the front office for believing in him and doing the drafting right Kerr for implementing the offense. Kerr inherited the team but did a great offense scheme

That part.

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@@icycaribe deep inside i know you’re dying😂😂😂 truth hurts😂

Dying laughing, yes. Could try to debate, but it is clear that you don't understand basketball, but you are funny AF!!@@arwinsilva490

Don’t be stupid you’re wrong

Unless you witnessed that era, you'll never know how not only players but every city feared Jordan.

something to be said for that.

Steph is the best pg but steph being better than lebron is such a bad take lol.

@@phantomfox6020 I never said Curry is a better player than LeBum. What I'm saying is I rank him higher in the GOAT conversation. He's won 4 just like lebron except he did it with the same team. He's completely changed how the game is played. He's the greatest shooter the league might ever see, etc. When both players retire, Lebron will have more points, but curry will leave behind a legacy. Curry is doing all this at 6'3" as well. He isn't 6'8" 230 pounds running straight to the basket because you know the refs are going to call a foul on anyone that touches you.

@@darrinstefaniak curry all time is probs 9-10 and lebron is top 2. Also curry may be the greatest shooter but he’s a liability’s with defense. Lebron is a 2 almost unstoppable player

My Brother!

Are you 13 years old or you just started watching basketball?

Steph is the greatest pg ever. BUT he or nobody else will EVER EVER be MJ the goat.

GSW is the team every team wants to beat even until now that they're no longer the champs. But the Bulls is the team that most teams back then feared. Big difference .I like both MJ and Steph. Personally I like Curry more now

There are two facets to basketball. Jordan and Bryant were lockdown defenders. Steph needs a lot of help on D.

but which one is/was better?

@@metathoughts732 i truly believe it's a preference thing, but if I had to pick, I'm going with Steph...which is crazy because I grew up watching Magic and he was the reason I feel in love with basketball.

Unfortunately that's considered sports talk these days! Obviously arguing over opinions is stupid but profitable...I hate it...I like both Lebron and Steph but I'm told that's not acceptable...

@@jamesrobinson1557 Indeed, so much to admire about them both. The both have an amazing passion for excellence.

Because there will always only every be a top 10 all-time 😆

Wrong

I like this explanation. Dead on!!

Been shattered. The older players and fans are too emotionally attached to the 70s-90s players. Larry bird said it himself, todays athletes are way better than ever, except wilt.

Well said but people would rather argue and hate rather then appreciate...Thanks

Steph is not a point guard. Draymond is a point forward, facilitating to two shooting guards.

and is not as great a point guard as Jokic. The Super Nova of triple doubles.

No argument good list

Great list. Here's my top 5 in there, MJ, Lebron, Curry, Shaq, Magic

Lebron at 9s a joke

@@WangazWarrior I agree he should be lower. he would be the only person in top 15 with a finals losing record.

@@demaalsI’m not even a Lebron fan but 2007 he shouldn’t have even been in the finals, 2015 Kyrie and love got injured and 2017-18 he went up against one of the greatest teams ever assembled, he would have 5 or 6 rings if it wasn’t for the warriors I don’t know why we always talk about his finals losses but never bring up mj never making it out the first round until pippen came lol

Steph is a shooting guard, not a point guard.

"Magic walked into an already winning team" No he didn't. The Lakers with Kareem has been underachievers. Two years earlier they had been swept by an underdog Blazer team with Kareem getting badly outplayed by Bill Walton

That right there.

Basically Curry is a better shooter than MJ but not a better scorer👍🏾🙏🏽

80’s players didn’t scare as easy, in fact they were all about physicality. That being said, Steph is insanely scary lol

Whatttt!! when steph got his 2nd ring...experts say 1 more ring and youll be in top 10..when he got his 3rd ring 1 more ring and you ll be in top 10..now that he has 4 rings another 1 ring? And yess jordan did not declare himself as goat its because lebron is better than him..

Curry would dismantle MJ in his prime. 90's style of playing wouldn't survive half a season in today's NBA

The top 5 of the modern era is: MJ, Duncan, Kobe, Curry, and LeBron. LeBron, unfortunately, had to switch teams 3 times to win 4 championships.

@@vivianpangilinan9783 He secured top 10 placement when he won his 4th ring. The original comment is saying that another ring would solidify Curry in the GOAT debate between Jordan and Lebron which I can agree on. Also MJ is still the GOAT not lebron

@@vivianpangilinan9783 LeBron is not goat

Today the game's rules have favored offensive players. Steph doesn't play point guard. The Warriors have a point forward and two shooting guards.

@@arizjoneshe’s listed as a pg that means he’s a pg. It doesn’t matter how he plays. Get with the times old head

@@c--money9188 I don't care what they list him as. He isn't running the point. He is cutting without the ball and coming off screens. Do you even play?

Sir I'm going on about that but I'm a fifty three years I see you put boy in your sentence

@@davidthomas7161 😂😂😂 Sure you're 50? Your posts sounds like that of a juvenile. 1. You're posting on the wrong account for me to care. 2. Your grasp on grammar is a bit weak. "but boy" akin to "oh boy" isn't specifically directed at the person I'm talking to (which you're supposing is you, but whatever) it's an "interjection" (technical name) 3. Bruh this is the internet. If you don't want your feelings hurt, stay off of it. Or you'd be acting like the boy you claim you're not. Grow up boy.

He’s not better point guard than magic