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I can furthermore you really can't forget the smell of decomp 😕 "horrible"

@@jab4634 Have you ever experienced that smell in particular (of decomp)? I have not but have always been curious about it..

The bodies were found within a few hours. There wouldn't have been decomposition yet. The blood would have smelled awful though. And a terrifying sight to see.

very well said , you should listen to tlb radio , william garreston did a interview there ny the mastermind there , brian davis , it was done quite a few years ago and was recently replayed , the poor guy never had a peaceful day in his life after 8-8-1969 , he died a few years ago.....

Garretson was from Ohio where I’m from and weird thing my sister in law married a Garretson

I think he knew something out of the usual was happening outside his apartment. He was terrified to do anything about it, and I would have done nothing other than stay frozen too.

Who knows if Garrettson knew what was going on or not. Maybe he just isn't a very brave man. It can be difficult, even for genuinely brave people, when an event hits you unexpectedly. Like being taken by surprise. It's different when you are expecting it. The vast majority of people are not a clone of Dirty Harry or James Bond. Very few people are fearless, tough and ready to take on all comers at any given moment. Garretson was just an ordinary guy doing an ordinary job, more or less. He wasn't Rambo ready to mow down a hundred bad guys with one gun, one bayonet, a grenade and balls the size of the moon. Few of us are.

One odd thing about Garretson, on the morning of the murders, he was taken past the bodies on the lawn. He mistakenly identified folger and winifred chapman. He could not identify steven parent who had actually visited him. He had terrible nightmares. Apparently, RUdy altobelli invited him back fromm ohio to visit the house again. He said finding the house peaceful helped him

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very well said greg. most peaople here are todays generation dumb fucks think everything is hollywood fantasy.

Some years later, Garretson admitted he saw Abigail Folger being stabbed on the front lawn, and heard her say "I'm already dead." Shortly thereafter, he saw the doorknob to the guesthouse turn but the door didn't open. Patricia Krenwinkel later said she went to find if anyone was there--with orders from Tex to kill whoever might be there--and decided "this madness had gone far enough" and went and told Tex there was no one there.

@@mortensenegbert6619 Thanks what a nightmare, i always knew he heard or saw something

I thought I heard that he was all spaced out on drugs.....

@@mortensenegbert6619 not true regarding Garretson seeing Abigail or hearing her say that.

@@katiei1796 Yeah, I think you're right that Garretson's claim - he did say that in the E! Hollywood episode - needs to be viewed with some skepticism. He apparently came under the sway of a delusional woman claiming to be the twin of Sharon Tate's unborn son. Poor guy.

Apparently he picked up the phone to call for help and it was dead

I’m reading it it’s so good! Things I never knew!! Rest In Peace to all these precious souls

@@jodiebanzali5557 what they made her parents go through is totally horrendous!!

@@cagurl9113 This is something I was not aware of, do you have a link I could follow? Thanks.

@@rosesprog1722 Read the family book, Restless Souls out @10 years ago. it gives all the inside information and how Doris Tate took on her daughter's case and fought tirelessly until she passed from cancer at an early age. So admire her she was a very dedicated and strong mother!!

@@cagurl9113 I'll try to get my hands on it, thanks.

Like they all sat there and waited their turn to be stabbed to death by one person SMH

Look how many one killer, Richard Speck, killed. Besides it isn’t just the autopsy that confirms this, it’s other factors.

@@christystewart4567 A very good point 👍

!autopsy! it's not the process to conclude such a thing...

They can't say too much until the trial, that goes for all murder cases not just this one.

it was fake.

@@johnellizz, I don't believe it was faked.

@@michelleharak7849 It's almost like believing in Peter Pan or something whimsical like that. They are universally good-looking (actors) including the victims, the perpetrators, even the female jail officers escorting the Manson girls - everybody's hot. Manson, himself, is super-talented at both music and acting. He writes song recorded by the beach boys before exerting his impossible powers of mind-control over his cult of gorgeous young actresses and actors (one of whom was the homecoming queen of her high school) to commit unbelievably evil mass-murder of hollywood stars - including the most beautiful actress in Hollywood who was also pregnant. They do it in the home of a famous director who had just made a hit movie about a pregnant woman being stalked by a devil cult. Then they all showboat and gloat during a trail as if they're in a movie. The President, Nixon, gives a speech where he declares them guilty before the trial even though he is a lawyer who is aware that would prejudice the jury and risk the case being thrown out. Despite being 'punished' for a heinous crime, Manson goes on to become lavishly rewarded with hundreds of television interviews that make him a folk hero and a major celebrity. Tex Watson, the class-president of his high school, who murdered the victims goes on to father 4 children in prison. They are all allowed to wear all sorts of clothes and jewelry and long nails in prison. The girls look fantastic even after a decade in prison as they sport their fashionable clothing in their endless interviews for television. None of this celebrity treatment seems to bother the victim's loved ones even though they must be aware that Manson is being allowed to gloat and show-off in world famous television appearances for decades.

@@johnellizz, I still believe it actually happened. If it really was faked then where are all the victims today? Please don't say they fled to another country either because I know that's not true.

@@michelleharak7849 One very weird thing: Sharon Tate supposedly had two sisters. And one of these sisters looks almost exactly like Sharon. (Patti) Patti Tate freaks many people out because she does look A LOT like Sharon and even talks like Sharon did. Some suggest it may actually be Sharon. In my opinion Patti could be Sharon but only if we allow for a jaw-thinning cosmetic surgery. That's the one difference I can see between the two sisters. Patti's jaw is more slender than Sharon's. Anyway, Patti supposedly died of breast cancer in 2000...so if she was Sharon that was the second time she faked her death. But as to where the dead people are being hidden...it's probably not that hard to conceal them from the public. Kobe is not dead. Many celebrity tragedies are fake. The Media would not expose any of them since the media helps to promote these deceptions. So even if you saw Sharon or Kobe at the super market, who ya gonna call? Nobody's helping you to prove they are still alive.

Same here. I can only imagine how terrified he must have been. He probably has survivor's guilt.

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Agree. If Susan Atkins hadn't bragged about it, they wouldn't have discovered

Tell me. How would you have improved the "job on the case"? What exactly would you have done to find the culprit/culprits? There wasn't DNA testing back in 1969. The 2 people who were on the property hadn't a clue to what took place. Most murders are solved when one involved with the murder speaking to an individual regarding what happened.

@@stevenvassalli2408 well it took a news reporter to find the killers clothes if it wasn’t for the reporter finding the clothes they would of never found the killers

And why is that such an odd thing, what are you really saying here?

@@jab4634 It's called respect. If anyone is going to be in front of a camera referring to victims, they should get the name right.

@@littlemikeism I hear you on that it's a given 🤷🏿‍♂️

He can bearley speak lnglis ! Jess a am Dutch i am sorry voor the bad ENGLIS myzelf !!!

I'm guessing it's Henry Lee. At the outset of this press conference he identifies himself as the coroner for the chief medical examiner's office. If so, he's the same coroner who, years later, was very involved in the OJ Simpson case. He also loaned his expertise on the "Staircase" trial. Renowned expert on analyzing murder scenes, including blood spatter, he's not just any guy. To this day he has a hard time pronouncing English words, but is the go to guy for his expertise

Mischelle McFall If you’re going to slander Dr. Thomas Noguchi, at least get his name right

Mischelle what's (sp)? Please reply back.♏

@@nicholasshade Spelling. "Sp" denotes "spelling". That is put after words the speller isn't sure they spelled, correctly.

@@fiona9443 thank you for clearing that up for me. Enjoy the rest of your morning. 🌄

he supervised all autopsiies but he did only two or three himself in this case. I love the laughter when they ask are you looking for a man and a woman. susan atkins is pure pyschopath. It was someone called katsuyami who did the labiancas autopsy

that's it in a nutshell👍👍

They all knew each other...Sebring and Forykoski we're well known drug dealers and Tex Watson had lived in the guest house in 1968.....there is far more to this murder than the false narrative pushed by the media ......this was a drug deal gone bad ....everyone knew each other...there was nothing random about this crime....Sharon Tate was not supposed to be there that night and I feel bad for her and partly for Folger but she was subsidzing Forykoskis drug dealing.......the Helter Skelter motive and book was complete and total BS

@@joshrhodes7458 well said. I agree 100 %

Look for Tom O'Neill....book

And deprive all you conspiracy junkies your dopamine rushes? And deprive all the authors and “investigators” the money they make off selling you those dopamine rushes? LOL

For the same reason no high profile case files r ever released or doctored like Warren commision report in JFK assasination. We can assume that Bugliosi, Col. Tate & former Maj. Folger were all in cahoots w/ the gvmt on this psyop.

@@EastSide-qc5oy conspiracy theory or not. The evidence. Court transcripts from all the trials and all the developments that have come out over the last 50yrs proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the whole helter skelter theory is a bunch of bs perpetrated by bugliousi

Maybe try searching her name on KZfaq or Google. Worth a try.

@@barbarawebb915 I tried KZfaq found a a tiny clip . But I’ll try Google thanks :)

@@josephg6260 your welcome. Maybe Google biography on Linda Kasabian?

I think the EPIX multi-part series includes some brief snippets. It is frustrating because there doesn’t seem to be one consistently recorded/filmed archive of that press conference. It can only be pieced together from the snippets of various news outlets that covered it.

@@EastSide-qc5oy Linda was as guilty as the rest of them. I think it was probably her idea to go to cielo that night. Listen to the interview her attorney gave if you doubt me

Yes ..through his eyes and even facial expressions ..

@@kimberlychilstrom6888 Hey what took you so so long to respond? And he's got Tommy Lee caterpillar eyebrows 😂😂

They were not in the bushes.

How many different types of evil are there? What I mean is, which is more evil, killing Parent or aborting Sharon’s unborn child and murdering her and her unborn baby. Evil is evil pure and simple.

The orders were to kill everyone on the property that night! The killers had no idea who he was and probably thought he lived there! Come on man!

Tex probably would not want to risk having someone drive down the path to the main road and see Johnny Swartz’ white 1959 Ford on their way out. The car belonged to a ranch-hand who wasn’t aware of what they did with it when borrowed (usually just garbage runs for food). It could possibly have been traced back to the ranch if identified later.

@@EastSide-qc5oy Makes zero sense. The car was seen and the liscence plate number was gotten when they stopped by the Rudy Weber house when to get water from the hose and was followed back to the car by Rudy after Tex told him they were walking. Clearly you like to make things up as you go along pretending to know what you're talking about.

Sharon's daughter?

Is this Noguchi? Or was it Henry Lee? I thought Lee was the head Coroner and Noguchi was his young assistant.

He was , as was Parent and Vanchowski

Yes t was in the face !

And pistol whipped.smh

It was in a repair shop. Sharon had damaged it the week before by backing into a car.

@@deborahpringle5526 sharon had a 69 camaro as a courtesy car in the garage at the time of the murders.

He later admitted to hearing noises, but was terrified to speak or admit it. Think about it- If you were 18, in that house with no phone line, fearing that you may be next, and then being arrested and convicted by the media, what would any of us do?

@@josephrivett7378 Give me a break, he so stoned he had no clue there was a murder going on. He just thought the house guest were drunk and screwing around. The cops found him sleeping! Do you think he could have slept if he new people just got murdered 50 ft away! Do you think he would have waited till 5am to use the phone after all that! Come on man! Your as dim as the cops that worked the case!

I think he said he did hear them but thought they were firecrackers. But his story changed over the years. I think the guy just was not well. Whether being the original suspect in one of the most famous murder cases in history and living through all that made him unwell or he already was unwell is anyone’s guess.

We were not a cult. Drinking cups of blood, curved daggers, crushed velvet cloaks and rams were not involved. Yes, I said we! 😡

Mymelody4life do you actually know what happened? If you do, please share.

It is said when Sharon Tate answered the door, she looked directly into the eyes of the monster who would order her murder! That gives me cold chills! And it wasn't Jay Sebring who sent Manson away, it was the photographer who was photographing Sharon out by the pool. HE was the one acting inhospitable. Jay was not even there at the time. He was at his salon on Fairfax Ave. Abigail Folger and Voyteck Frykowski were not there as well. That was supposed to have been one or two weeks BEFORE the murders took place.

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I think you know somebody that live there was rich and he wanted to be rich but it was too fucked up and nuts

I just think they wanted to kill anybody in that house cuz they know the people in that house had to be rich and Manson was so fucked up and nuts and scummy that he could never be nothing more than what he was trash he was jealous

where did you get that story from?

Heaven can you give us some examples? Please reply back.♏

@@nicholasshade jim jones, david koresh...etc

@@dleyba3199 yes, I remember all of them. I just wasn't tagging them with the name guru. 🏷 Sorry, for being like dead weight. 🏋

I think he was just being sarcastic about the lack of details. In other words the investigating units were not releasing any information that shed any light on the whys and wherefores. The press probably suspected they were withholding some details (which was true) and just wanted to dig more.

@@EastSide-qc5oy And it was after they said "no violent struggle." Which was like ????

@bostongirl9277. Her married name was Sharon Polanski, that's the name he used to describe her injuries.

You apparently know nothing about homicide investigations, Miss Thing. They don't tell the press everything and the coroner or medical examiner stated that they were further investigations, which is normal during an autopsy. All results don't come back ASAP. This appears to be one or two days after the Tate murders. They couldn't have known everything so STFU.

@@benjisgal54 sorry I've been involved into one up close when my daughter's best friend was murdered by the serial killer Rex Krebs, it's you that don't know a damn thing 😁 TROLL

@@cagurl9113 Brown Harris is right. The Doctor was disclosing the cause of death for each victim, not describing every injury. No one tried to remove Sharon's baby. That's just one of several misconceptions believed about the case.

@@lynzvoets1227 that may have been a detail that Susan Atkins just used to embellish her crime, I Frykowski was beaten and stabbed as well as J Sebring being shot in the face it was very clear that both he and Sharon had been hung by the rafters also by the abrasions around their neck. They just didn't want to provide all the grisly details! In other words these victims were basically annihilated!! Noguchi was woefully inadequate in the autopsies of Marilyn Monroe and Natalie Wood also!!

This is the coroner (Noguchi or Henry Lee, not sure which) Well renowned who went on to lend his expertise to the OJ Simpson murder trial and later, "The Staircase" trial as well

Sharon's dog was found hiding in the home

the other dogs were with Garretson.

No he wasn't. He was another Hollywood fat mouth. Loved media attention. You want a brilliant pathologist with some recogition then its Michael Baden. It's f'n anoying just trying to understand "Noguchi".

I read that he was fired due to gross incompetence, but reinstated under mysterious circumstances.

Fvck him

floyd fletcher RIH*

more like roast in hell

Fry, roast, cook in Hell Manson

RIP Charlie You were loved and you are missed. `