ohh good luck, I wish you luck and study well, hope you do your best and ace it 🙏✨ anyways this is such an unexpected video cause NCT's size can compare to like a whole generation of counted vocalists on the chart 😭

oh wait, for a sec I thought this was the whole NCT 🤣 but still, NCT is a lot of work 🧍

@@eternaldandaniexol lmaooo but imagine if i did for the whole group 💀 the vid would be an hour long help- anyways thanks

Yuh

@@himi_ what do you think of mark?? I saw somewhere that he have shallow support up To E4

EXACTLY

127 is simply on a whole other level its crazy

And 127 get rap based songs 🤣

@@myheartwillgowonandon5467 😭😭😭 but their high notes be insane in those songs

@@dollydoie yeahhhh my voice cracks even listening to them 😭😭

@@xdkkkdlifkfkk821The Gap is very small, I assure you.

who's placing rj at second zamn

Okay i have a theory about that matter. It's a well known fact that people hype Haechan for literally breathing and praise his vocals all the time but i've always thought it's because of his tone, his voice is extremely distinguishable even when vocal coaches or musicians react to NCT they always notice Haechan first because of his noticeable tone and i guess that's why fans think he's the best. So yeah Haechan's strongest asset is his tone. As for Renjun, it's his emotionality, he really portrays emotions very well and i prefer him in that matter over anyone in NCT, also it corresponds well to his personality so the effect is doubled for fans. Haechan and Renjun are my ult biases in NCT but vocally Doyoung is definitely superior and i guess people don't notice that because he's not as entertaining as Haechan or as emotional as Renjun but also his tone doesn't really stand out even though his voice is very rich and thick. I believe in order to appreciate Doyoung's vocals one really need to pay attention to him and listen to many songs especially bsides simply because 127 songs especially title tracks are rap heavy and vocalists don't get that much opportunity to shine thus you automatically assume that they aren't that strong unlike Dream songs which are more vocally oriented giving the vocalists many opportunities to shine and that's why Haechan and Renjun are more appealing and appreciated by fans i guess. I'm gonna have to admit that i thought little of Doyoung actually of NCT 127 vocal line except for Tail because of the above mentioned reason and it's only recently that i've come to appreciate Doyoung's vocals.... I guess i understand where your frustration coming from

As for Jaehyun, it's because we've cornered him in the visual zone and SM didn't help by giving him more rap lines than vocal lines. Jungwoo on the other hand doesn't get enough lines to be appreciated in the first place and he's so immersed in being the funny guy of the group that we're forgetting how beautiful his voice is. I hope that changes one day

Hopefully with this new dojaejung subunit they will get to show off and shut some people up

They legit turned Jaehyun into more of a rapper which is seriously annoying. Jaehyun is potential personified. Man’s literally ignored by SM and he’s still NCT’s third best vocalist and he can definitely keep improving

@@scars5505I agree. I love that Jaehyun's all around talented that he can rap while also being a main vocal but I hate that they make him rap more than sing at this point.

​@@johnjaemarried9863Right, his rapping is cool since pre-debut. I really love when he sings in Yoo Young Jin style like Coming Home and Without You, it is very full.

The lowest tier with chenle, renjun and ten isn't ranked though. It says so on the explanation slide before the ranking starts.

I'm more inclined to say Jaehyun. Taeil has potential to be the best but he rarely sings below D3 for me to figure out properly Not outstanding but they both have decently developed lows edit: after much consideration Taeil > Jaehyun.

@@himi_ thank you very much for the reply!!! also, if i may ask, i read somewhere that mark has potential to support? lol that guy really is full of surprises. how's mark's singing? of course it won't be as refined as the vocalists since he's the main rapper, but my interest is piqued because his singing voice is nice +++ guy's really talented hahaha thank you again!

@@hera_omelette yeah Mark has potential. He is able to somewhat carry shallow support below E4.

@@himi_ who is better between he and ten?

@@RafaelMartins-lf5qk Ten by a small margin

Could be. He started showing signs of "regression" after the Superhuman tour. I think Taeil's voice got a bit worn out during that time which made him try less and his stylistic habits got worse

Third best singer in NCT? Nah. However, he is an extremely talented vocalist and I agree with you that he is way to underrated.

@@mateobanda6808 Nah, he is. His quality of support speaks for itself. All the guys under him, minus Xiaojun, are shallow at best and can't connect their cords properly for a grounded sound.

A lot of people are undermining Jaehyun's ability just because he's a baritone and doesn't hit high notes that often compared to the members. But technically he's actually one of the more consistent with his support.

@@KM-go7ys He's not a baritone. Just not a light lyric tenor like the other guys.

@@eddyjacx5622 Really? I see a lot people refer to him as a baritone though.

I wouldn't call NCT's vocal line impressive, maybe for 4th gen but that's just my opinion lol. But yeah Xiaojun needs to be given his flowers. I think it'd be nice to have a NCT U song with the top 4 vocalists for some really nice vocals

@@findunjeu Stop lying to yourself lol NCT’s vocal line is indeed impressive, doesn’t matter from which generation they are.I am surprised Chenle and Renjun were not included here as well.

@@fireproof2767 i think I was a bit harsh on them lol, yeah I guess they're good for gen 3 too. Chenle and renjun are kind of not very impressive though, like personal feelings aside many people have pointed out their lack of development and skill. They (renjun, chenle Kun) are the worst main vocalists SM has had by a large margin

I also felt the same. I even think he's better than Jaehyun now.

thanks for watching! the comments have been harsh and rough 💀 but i survived lol

@hityouwitdatdudududududu sorry i probably wont. Not really familiar with their vocals so I'm not confident on doing it for them :(

There are a lot of factors improving and there's no clear-cut answer. it can depend. The majority of the members didn't improve most probably because their vocal coaches aren't teaching them correctly. And it's hard to improve when you have the basics down to begin with (and this is the case for the majority of the neos) because they have nowhere to start. No matter how hard you practice if you don't get the basics down there's only so much you can improve. Members like Doyoung and Taeil had already established their vocal technique even prior to joining SM I believe. Doyoung already sounded solid from his high school clips and Taeil was a vocal major so surely he already had good vocal training. So that really helped them improve along the way. When you've already established proper breath support and stuff it's much easier to improve That being said it can also depend on them. Doyoung went to receive a lot of vocal training from multiple vocal coaches prior to his musical, which helped him improve a lot. He would not be close to Taeil's level if he had not made those improvements

@@himi_ Thank you for the answer, you confirmed my suspicions. Some coaches in idol-survival shows really surprise me with their teaching approach. You meant to say "it's hard to improve when you don't have the basics down", right? Additional questions: 1) What could be the reason for Taeil's regression in 2019-2020? His health or smth psychological? (like the loss in KoMS), 2) If Doyoung improved thanks to the musical, why he was projecting better pre-debut? (his choir performance) Accumulated bad habits?, growing up and physical changes?, 3) What is the name for Jaehyun's tenor? I'd like to read more on it, 4) Do you think Doyoung was made to sing higher to separate Tende into three "levels"?

@@H_armiger ah yes that's what i was trying to say lol 1. I think overworking and his bad habits led to regression. He started to go for the nasal, whiny, and tight approach around 2019 and it kinda made him struggle to properly belt above G4 without being too tight. At one point Doyoung was arguably stronger because of Taeil's regression (and Doyoung was also improving). Fortunately he was able to overcome his regression. He still carries those bad habits from time to time but it's controllable now. 2. Doyoung for some reason became a bit stylistic right after debuting. I guess you could say it's his preference and also accumulated bad habits. Because he was keen on going for a very soft and breathy approach which really limited his abilities over time. He was able to handle G#4 really well during SM Rookies (as seen on the video 9:53) but after his debut he would struggle on a F#4 without being too tight or throaty sometimes (watch his old covers on their channel or their KOMS performances). And then sometime before musical, he was able to develop his chords strong enough and able to expand his supported range, fortunately. If we look at his overall technique he did improve. He would've been closer to Jaehyun than Taeil prior to his musicals imo. But yeah he still lacked the projection and chest coordination he used to have prior to debuting despite the improvements. 3. I am not sure about that sorry. I'm not very familiar with sub-class and stuff in vocal typing. 4. I don't get what you meant by three levels

@@himi_ Well, it's good to have Taeil recovered whatever the reason was for his regression. I do hear from other ppl that he is given parts that are difficult for his level and detrimental in a long run. Doyoung once said that he didn't like that his voice wasn't easily recogniseable, plus he tends to do what public wants, so I suspect maybe his airy style was proposed early on by a teacher as desireable? He also used to be very hesitant singing on the spot, I'd guess some of his problems are psychological (tensing up, overthinking). I know Doyoung is called a lyrical tenor. OK, I'll look up for an opinion about Jae's type elsewhere. As for Tende. Pre-debut Doyoung sang in middle range more, I saw ppl saying it's his comfortable zone. However, from the get go if we take whole Tende songs, not partucular notes, it was Jaehyung - low, Taeil - middle, Doyoung - high. Like 3 different instruments.

right and he's one of the best dancers too. he's so underutilized

cause there’s too many members and he was introduced too late 😭😭

@@e.l3046 hmm i wouldn't say that it's because he was introduced too late since he actually got many singing lines in his debut song (boss). it's just that sm prefers vocal color more than technique (e.g. giving haechan most lines and maybe doyoung even though taeil is a better vocalist). even yuta (low weak vocalist) gets more lines than jungwoo

@@rosie2719 jungwoo has one of the most unique vocal colors in the entire group tho 😭

@@e.l3046 right his voice sounds really good, but maybe the producers really prefers haechan's uniqueness. i hope they start showing off his skills properly bc everyone on ncity think he's a dozen and doesn't deserve to be in the top 5 best vocalists 😭

- Just his vocal weight in general doesn't resemble a typical baritone imo. If you listen to his F#4~G#4 they don't sound baritone-ish. He also gets very muffled below C3 which is unlikely for a baritone. I'd wait for more material to give F#4/G4. Most of these G4s are fairly recent. And it's only there when he tries. Otherwise, he can be a bit tight on F#4 as well, if that makes sense. - Yeah I think just less tension, nasality, and tightness should bring Taeil closer to AA-P at least. Because it can be apparent even on his mid range, kinda like Yuju.

I hope I don't get cancelled for this 💀🙏

@@himi_ You might get more heat for the tier names than the order tbh. Locals want the best singer in the group to always be called great or excellent lol.

especially with haebear. i love him but his fans are quite insane

@@cutiieeepatootieee2002 💀 Nctzens in general aren't the most vocally literate fandon but I agree his stans are...next level.

@@eddyjacx5622 I got threatened because I said "Haechan is annoying 😂" in a joking manner lmao, even though clearly in the clip he actually was quite one. They told me the word "annoying" is an insult, like what bruh?? Another thing is when Haechan doesn't win in a game, his stans will say that other NCT members hate him. When he doesn't get the most lines, it's also other members' fault. Don't go to Twitter y'all

Yeah the only one who has "decent" enough agility in the group is Taeil. He can execute simpler ones somewhat fine. But it gets messy from there. Haechan has a few okay simpler runs, in studio at least. But the live attempts.... well he just slides through them lol

Taeil's agility is chef's kiss. Who doubt him in term of agility? Lets we have conversation **hard stan mode on** **lol** Check Taeil's runs in Back 2 U Rearranged Version in 127 concert last night. He was doing riffs & runs F4-A4-G#4-A4-G#4 when belting to C5 (CMIIW, im bad in pitch lol)

@@avril5757 Taeil's runs aren't bad. I liked the ones in Paradise and some of the ballads. But once it gets fast, it gets a bit troubling. The ones in Back 2 U are alright too, but I wouldn't say they're fast. He gets sloppy on the more complex ones (Blow My Mind for example). Keep in mind that for these vocalists, your cord development still plays a role for how agile you could be so I'd say his agility is still not as developed as Baekhyun/Taeyeon ish, but it's decent enough.

@@zekerh8936 is agility "always" about fast?

@@avril5757 Always? Not necessarily. The tempo of the runs do play a major part on how hard and complex it is though. Meaning, not every run has to be fast, and not all agile singers necessarily do fast runs, it'll depend on their musicality. But singers with good agility should be able to handle mid-high tempo riffs and runs. The style of that run and the arrangement of that run also is an indication of how complex it is.

basically having good placement by properly projecting your voice forward allows for a much free-er and louder sound if that makes sense. but if you are not projecting your voice correctly, you'll end up sounding stuck and constricted most of the time. that's the case for doyoung. instead of projecting his voice forward, he's almost singing at the back of his throat. try comparing this high note 9:53 to the one in magic carpet ride 10:13. same note but you can hear how the second one sounded a bit stuck and not as free. it's better than the studio version though. the studio version sounded wayyy stuck and small. or compare it to 9:44. not exactly the same note but you can hear how it does not have that forward sound as the one during pre debut mixing/belting involves the blending of chest voice and head voice. doyoung's mix is more on the headier side as it lacks proper chest coordination. it is not necessarily a bad thing to have a headier mix but it does hinder him from achieving a stronger, fuller sound. compare this F#4 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/irmGpqSFs8XGnqs.html (probably his best F#4 ever. very strong and full sounding) to this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b6h_hM2T39SbnYk.html at 3:42 notice how it's more light sounding compared to pre-debut as doyoung's mix went from a more balanced with good chest coordination to light and heady post debut.

@@himi_ oooh yes I see! thank you so much for the examples :D

Hii, I don't rly know anything about vocals so can you give an example of times Taeil's regressing? I want to compare it to his better era to see if i can recognize the difference💚

@@pandariri2694 i'm late but as you can see from taeil's analysis here i mentioned his regression (late 2019~early 2021). It's mostly noticeable during Kick It and Resonance era. Kick It especially, if you listen to Taeil's high notes in the bridge, he was straining for his life on the A4. Now compare it to the ones on this video: 13:01 ~ 13:08 Taeil Kick It era would've strained these notes

This. Boss Jungwoo sounded solid. What happened lol

boss jungwoo came to slay us once and dip back into the dungeon 😭

WE NEED HIM BACK SO BAD 😭😭😭 I know he would still be alive if Jungwoo was in another unit 😭😭

@@himi_ fr, if only Jungwoo were consistent with his vocal during Boss era, I believe he would be closer to Xiaojun rather than Haechan. I wonder what makes him stop using that placement after he joined NCT 127, because he seems not regressed either (like there are some very very rare moments where he sounded like Boss era when he is not singing overly soft).

@@himi_I want to ask why Jungwoo is a bit superior than Haechan? I sent this to my friend but he did not believe it. He said the reach of Haechan's support is wider Jungwoo: F3 - Eb4/E4 Haechan: E3/F3 - Eb4/E4

Yeah i guess you could say that cuz he isn't always nasal unlike Haechan for example. Indeed, Jaehyun has way more developed lows but also a relatively fuller mix which put him above Xiaojun.

if there is enough change in the ranking or their vocal technique then i'll make one. idk if i'll do a jungwoo analysis though. i don't usually do one for below average vocalists

@@himi_ would you consider doing an analysis on Dream now they’ve finished the tour & there is all that footage? I’m really curious because it seems like they, really improved over the last few years, & I’m wondering if he’s doing anything differently? For Chenle especially his dive into you adlibs have been a highlight of the tour for me. To be clear while I love him I know he’s not a real technically strong vocalist, (I like his sound & his like, actual commitment to sing live over technical skill personally) so I’m not bashing your opinion! Thanks for the video have a great day!

@@toolazyforaname77 i don't intend too. I don't really hear any significant improvement tbh. They are all really weak vocally

I took a few vocal lessons when I was in high school with my choir teacher but it wasn't advanced or anything lol. I just read a lot and discuss with people ^^

@@himi_ Oh I see haha I honestly love discussing vocal technique with fellow enthusiasts as well. Unfortunately I haven't developed an ear to flawlessly distinguish between strain/support/resonance yet but I think it's quite close and I'm right more often than I'm wrong. How did you train your ear? I also don't have relative/perfect pitch either so unfortunately I can't identify notes on the spot as soon as I hear them, I always need a piano keyboard to compare the sound. Do you have relative pitch? If you do I'd be so jealous lol

@@MissMartianDCAU it's just a lot of listening and asking for other people's opinions honestly since there are a lot of nuances to support and stuff oh no i don't have a perfect pitch either (trust me i messed up a lot lol) i can sometimes guess what note it is when someone is belting and if it's wrong it's usually like a note or a semitone off. but to be sure i always double check with a tuner or a keyboard, especially low notes

@@himi_ omg do you talk to kva?? It's a shame that he doesn't produce any new analyses these days, I'd kill to see some proper posts for 3rd and 4th gen idols and the many solo artists who have yet to be analyzed :'(

@@MissMartianDCAU oh no i don't talk to kva. i mainly talk with people on the onehallyu vocal thread

Personal preference, I like Doyoung and Haechan's the most 😁

I don't think there needs to be an update tbh, for the most part the information is correct. The only adjustment would be moving haechan to weak (according to himi).

Yeah it's pretty much the same minus Haechan. Ten should be weak as well rather than underdeveloped (the gap between them is pretty small

@@himi_ didn't you mentioned as well regretting not adding Mark and Yuta? Also yeah I was counting about ten placement and Haechan moving down to weak

Oh yeah them too but it's not like a big change either so yeah i prolly won't make an update

@@himi_ I see, also, btw, I left you a comment about 127 on another karaoke moment in your latest showcase, I'd love to know what you think about it if possible hahaha, personally I loved how Mark sounded

Leave jaehyun out of it

@@hani2558 Lmao it was supposed to be a joke. 💀

if himi updates this, jw will be even lower since the new nct members are miles better than him

​@@alexaaxim6782Jungwoo would likely only drop a place due to Jaehee

Trying something new 😅 though not sure if I'll keep doing this. It was so tiring 💀 and I didn't even go that detailed in the analysis

I haven't watched the full video yet but I did came across some short clips people post on Twitter. There are some nice moments from him but nothing that would suggest me putting him above Jaehyun yet.

@@himi_ From my own observation after watching that video I think he has improved, he sounds a lot more consistent and stable, especially his Ashes cover. But I'm no vocal expert so it would interesting to gain your perspective.

@@himi_ he sounded much healthier now than ever. His ashes cover is now my fav cover from him. I think it's safe to say he's better than Jae now.

​@@savage_girl_07Nah he's still floppy when belting above F#4

I could not say that his stylistic choice prevent him to enhance his techniques. The reason is his overall engagement especially his nasality issues and mix. Haechan can sing live better and even the Dreamies, because sm trained their artists to sound stable as better as they can. For example, EXO's Xiumin, SUJU's Donghae and Shinee's Key, even they are lacking of better techniques, but they are sound good. It is merely because of their style and stability. There are also singers that due to their overemphasize on stylistic choice, their techniques have been drowned. These are NCT's Doyoung and BTS's Jungkook as i have known. But nowadays, these two singers are now more focused on their techniques than their stylistic approach.

well yeah, he must be awfully busy unfortunately... and idk. He probably doesn't think it's necessary atp. He's been an idol for 6 years now and no one's ever told him he has to sing "properly" so I don't see that changing any time soon. Can't believe I'm saying this but out of all members, haechan is kinda justified in not being as good as a vocalist as he could be

1. He has been popular. 2. He is handsome. 3. He is from SM. 4. He is 2nd SM's favorite vocalist in NCT after Doyoung. 5. This is World of KPOP Idol. Why are you so serious in singing? Singing is not the only one key to get success in KPOP. In KPOP, you can be popular and rich for being agency's favorite, attractive in personality, good dancer, top visual and aegyo. 6. Lipsync, autotune, backtrack, prerecorded are exist. 7. Thanks God, 80% KPOP fans are minor who don't know anything about singing.

But he doesn't-

i probably uttered some nonsense, sorry

oh yeah why some vocals in kpop bore me-it's probably bcs i consider vocal tones more

Nothing new about Jaehyun's vocal, he is still at C-. >>All those major points discussed on this vid, Jae must be learned. For him, to improve much and to grow as better singer.

​@@MacmaxxVoczzjaehyun is solid Mid Average not a low one

@@MoustafaSElHassan21 Jaehyun is C-/C nowadays.

I still think Taeil is ahead but not by much

Ok @@himi_, thank you for answering my question..

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His nasality doesn't sound nice to me, yet many fans like this voice.

@@fangirlmode8705 I actually really like his voice when he sings within his range. It's very unique and was what drew me to NCT songs in the first place. For me, his main problem is his limited range and lack of polished/technical aspects in his singing which makes it a bit boring when he sings the entire song, even for someone like me who loves his voice. Example: Good Person. But when he sings a few lines in NCT songs, I really enjoy his voice.

He does support in his mid range and is potentially average or at least stronger than Jungwoo as of now

Yes, Dream is SM's worst vocal group, and WayV would be 2nd worst.

@@eddyjacx5622 that's kinda sad considering dream is much more vocal heavy (at least in the TTs) than 127... I was never really a fan of the group's discography primarily because I didn't enjoy the rap line. I can only take so much SM rapping and dream is no different (I love mark though), and the vocal line is not strong enough to carry the music imo.

@@findunjeu Why do you think they are more vocal heavy? No snark, just genuinely wondering, since I never got that impression. All 3 units have unrealistically high notes written into their titles.

@@eddyjacx5622 I don't mean it in the sense that they're more challenging vocally. Just that you're supposed to pay more attention to the vocals compared to the rap. It's probably because dream's sound didn't really need the rap in their first TTs, and 127 uses more of it because their sound is more hiphop leaning. They incorporate more rapping nowadays which is kind of a shame because I think I'd rather take more songs like mfal and chewing gum than glimo and hot sauce. I don't care if they're not strong singers, I prefer weak vocals over weak rap. They're not that far apart in skill right? like they're mostly untrained singers so they could all be singers minus mark on the rapping. I honestly wish SM made the other rappers vocalists instead since they don't really need to be decent technical vocalists.

@@findunjeu Ok I see what you're saying, I agree. Jeno/Jaemin/Jisung are probably undeveloped, with everyone else (including Mark) somewhere in weak, so they could probably have just given them more songs like MFAL...it's not like kpop companies don't have the sound engineers to make everyone sound passable and in tune lol.

Taeil & Haechan - Love Sign

Personally I won't lol, like I know they are capable to doing all of the vocal task in Dream which is amazing and impressive on its own but neither from them are outstanding technical vocalists lol.

@@alexaaxim6782 oh okay thank youu

i'm not sure i'm able to i'm not familiar with all the members aside from chen, baekhyun, d.o and suho maybe but as far as i'm aware chen > d.o > baekhyun >>>>>>> suho > chanyeol(?) > the rest

NCT U - Goodnight

@@himi_ thanks!

They are G4s but no those aren't supported. They're better than Chenle and Renjun's G4s before that though. Mark can kinda carry support up to Eb4 ish but he goes way too shallow and throaty above that

@@himi_ ok, so we can say that Mark is the second best vocalist of Nct dream 😂

@@melody-kc2hm pretty much... which is kinda sad when you think about it lol

@@Oliver-uz1fs i mean i guess in theory i can see why 127 has the better vocalists since the unit does not have any limitations unlike Dream and WayV. Dream was not a fixed unit initially. They were planning on replacing the members. And plus only the young kids are in the group and it just happens that the more developed vocalists of the groups are the older ones. For WayV they are exclusive to Chinese or Chinese descent members. And unfortunately Xiaojun is the only one with developed technique.

@@Oliver-uz1fs how is 127 having the better vocalists favoritism? yes I agree that SM has to coach dream better and that they shouldn't have debuted children, but they didn't really do much for taeil or doyoung either. SM is known for seeking talented singers and debuting them without much training, doyoung and taeil were good before they even got in SM

Yeah it was first developed during 2nd/3rd gen, but idt that would make much of a difference for 4th gen because the criteria of the rankings didn't change for 4th gen. The idea of the ranking is that it only applies to singers/vocalists, so your average dancer from kpop would not be part of this ranking because 99% of them barely had any proper training in vocals. Singing on pitch is considered even more basic than the basic requirement of this ranking (which is support, which is why any idol that has properly developed support would at least find themselves on the Average tier of the ranking) If you're wondering "hey how come so many 4th gen idols aren't being ranked as high as their predecessors?" It's simply because there's been a decrease of vocalists who can sing "well" (aka have established support and cord development) Being on the Average tier simply means you're average among vocalists. If you have no support at all (like not even a shallow quality of it) then you're in the Undeveloped tier, which is the tier below Weak and also the tier where 99% of non vocalists are in

Ranking from 1st to 6th is right Other 4 are randomly chosen besides kun who is the weakest vocalist in nct and didn't include yuta and mark

NCT 127 - Amino Acid

exo - call me baby

@@himi_ thank you