Karina is that hot girl who people underestimate assuming she got it all easy because of her beauty yet she's really a hard worker.

yes 100% on the yunjin one. she has a great voice, no doubt, but because she's classically trained fans treat her like this pop vocal goddess. it's similar to how fans insist that kazuha is the best/main dancer in le sserafim just because she did ballet. classical music is a completely different style, and i say that as a classical vocalist. yes, a lot of the basic technique for pop is borrowed from classical but there's also a lot of aspects to the pop style of singing that "breaks the rules" of classical singing (examples include: vibrato usage, tone, belting, riffs and runs, etc.). yunjin's got a great starting point and she is a good singer. to really reach heer full potential though, she has to deconstruct her classical voice (not completely abandon it!) and learn what makes pop singin, well, pop singing!!

taemin and ten from nct/wayv def have the most dramatic improvements in terms of vocal. both started as main dancers, now they can pass as main vocalists.

For SM, I think the company culture here plays an important role, even you think the company doesn't do much for their singers' vocal improvement, but when you enter a company which values the vocalists, and you are surrounded by good vocalists who practice everyday with high standard on vocals, you yourself will be motivated and impacted. One of the reasons why Taemin worked himself hard on his vocals back in the old days is because he spent so much time with his bandmates and hear them singing everyday and he knew how much he was lacking comparing to them, he mentioned many times that he would go practicing with Jinki on the rooftop every morning for a long time, also got singing advices/instructions from Jonghyun. And in SHINee's first mini album, there is a song sung only by Jinki, Jonghyun and Key; in their first full album, Jonghyun had his first solo song; and in their second mini album, there is a duet between Jinki and Jonghyun. When a company does this, you immediately understand how much the company values the good vocalists. So I do think labels have a lot impact on artists improvement.

Karina is a pretty girl and being pretty is a two edged sword. People are either going to say you got in because of that or get too caught up in your appearance and forget that you have a whole pack of skills. I've seen that with Jaehyun too, but in Karina's case, it's even sadder because I feel like she gets far more to showcase vocally and yet people just don't see it.

Whilst, SM vocalists being skilled prior to debut is something I agree with, you can't deny artists who weren't before have improved significantly, like Taemin, Renjun, Changmin, Daeyoung from NCT New Team is a testament to their training and even vocalists who were skilled before have improved since debut.

You can't keep using Wendy to say that SM only recruits talented vocalists to begin with. I would use Taemin, Renjun, Seulgi, Heechul, etc. as examples of SM actually training their idols. Sure, they do focus on hiring talented vocalists, but they also focus on vocal training for their recruits.

NCT vocalists like Doyoung really never fail to impress me. Not only are they really talented at singing but also seem to be the most stable in live performance with dancing. They'll go from dancing to singing high notes and straight back to dancing like it's nothing. But really props to Doyoung, even in concerts he will make sure he is heard over the backtrack.

4:25 on the note of Bae, she is like… the IDEAL subvocal. Good enough technique that she can carry her lines, but also a gorgeous tone that makes her stand out. She’s got this smoky, dark sound to her voice and it makes her sound amazing on… quite literally every line I’ve heard her sing. I hope companies take note of this, because having a pretty tone is SUCH a good thing, but even more importantly making sure they CAN sing from a technical standpoint is also so important. It really does feel like JYPe/Squ4d got this right with Bae, and I wish we could’ve seen it with others in kpop. Sana from Twice has a beautiful voice but god forbid they give her a little vocal training so she’s ready for those E5’s in Brave. Kazuha from Le Sserafim has a unique tone for kpop, but why would we EVER try to improve on that, let’s just give her that unecessary note in Unforgiven’s prechorus that she clearly wasn’t trained to sing, nor was she ready to. The list of these idols goes on and on and so it’d be seriously amazing if people like Bae became an aspiration for sub-vocalists 😭 because carrying a note live is just as important as having a pretty voice to help mask your flaws and make you stand out.

YES for the Bae appreciation, she does a great job in every category. And I always loved how she does have an intention on how she wants to sound while singing. People like to pick on her stage presence, but Bae brings a subtle and sultry aura that balances out the more intense performers in the group.

not every SM idol is a top-tier vocalist but the good majority can sing their range during encores, which many idols these days can't even do. they're good, they're stable and most can do solo projects just fine

Karina actually has my favorite tone in aespa

I think, Taemin's vocals are some of the most improved in the industry. Other idols that could be in the list: Taeyeon (SNSD), Moonbyul (Mamamoo).

The fact that Bae is an Exo fan and she named her cat D.O. 😂

Hard to reach Doyoung's level as a boy group main vocalist~ good-looking, tall, well-known, good at dancing, great at singing, and amazing live vocal.

The fearnots and kpop stans need know yunjin isn't opera singer but classical singer this is not same things

I think Kai had a great vocal improvement throughout the years. by all means, he's not the caliber of a main vocal (especially when you are in the same group with THE baekhyun, chen, and kyungsoo), but he has developed his own style and tone that's very unique and his vocal is definitely way more stable and stronger now.

it's worth mentioning that SM collaborates with various vocal academies and seem to put emphasis on assigning highly qualified vocal coaches to their trainees. sure they have in-house coaches as well, but trainees with talent and potential (such as Taeyeon, Wendy, Jessica etc) receive special tutoring by professionals who are often sourced outside of SM

Yes, Karina deserves her 10s! One of the best sub vocalist rn!

But we cannot just say that SM only finds already good vocalists when we have Lina, Luna for a example trained by them. Luna was a dancer that got into vocals

Bae really is underrated as a whole: Yes, she isn't the best Vocalist in NMIXX, nor the best Performer or Dancer, but People keep forgetting that compared to other Groups NMIXX' Standard is incredibly high. I can think of a fair Number of successful Groups in which she'd easily be the best Vocalist. Otherwise, about Idols improving, there are indeed very few, but I think that Wonho, formerly of Monsta X, and Hyuk of VIXX might be good Starting Points.

Finally, someone who's honest but still polite.

I feel like people who say that SM only recruits good vocalists have no idea about Taemin and Kai's improvement, or the fact that Luna originally auditioned to as a dancer. SM has the reputation they have because they train good vocalists, not recruit them. And I'm not an SM stan btw.

Doyoung has been scouted by sm for his singing, he has won many vocal competitions. He's main vocalist and aways puts time and energy into improving his vocals and still receive vocal lessons. It's fascinating how he improves vocally every comeback. He has trained a lot for musical and it his live performances have been top tier since debut

Karina the unofficial Lead vocal of Aespa ✨. And as for idols who have improved i have a few choices (there are few are worth talking about): Taemin, Solar, Taeyeon; Tifanny and Seohyun, Haram of the girl group Billlie, Seulgi (i noticed during Birthday era more relaxation of Seulgi singing), and maybe Dreamcatcher? I dunno about the last one. Also Lily from predebut to now.....

- Yunjin performed as a mezzo-soprano during her high school years. Basically, opera level vocals and her vocals are very unique. As much as I love HYBE considering that and giving her a bit opera on stage,but, lsf or kpop altogether really isn't much of a place for that. - SM has amazing vocalists! But gotta agree, not all of them are decent. Some of them had vocal training in advance, SM just ended up building on it. But uk, always room for improvement!! -Soooo true. Ur favs are not all rounders, get over it! SKZ, for example, has many members who have all three skills, but Han definetly stands out for his pretty good ability to hit high notes, be a great rapper, and also a pretty good dancer. - I literally don't even stan Nmixx (their music just isn't much of my type) but OMG Bae has never failed to amaze me. She delivers her lines as if she was made for it. Though there are other members who can sing better, she has amazing musicality. Your right, she could go against lead if not even main vocals. - In-ear moniters are an excuse I never fail to laugh over. I love twice, but those encore stages were not it. They just have issues with live singing, get over it hun. - I'm so glad you talked about it! Karina has fabulous visuals, there's no doubt. But, that's not all that she is! She is a very versatile artist, I'd put an all-rounder label easy. She has a very good vocal range (Side note : Her illusion vocals are just so unique-), is a very skilled dancer (She performed next to Kai and Taemin who are some of the best dancers in Kpop) and is very skilled in rap as well. I'm glad SM has allowed her to show her vocals. - This is literally no debate. I think people just talk without knowing the technicality in the parts? Jisoo has some technically more difficult parts than Jennie. Just because Jennie has more lines than Jisoo in some songs doesn't mean Jennie is as good. I'm not throwing hate, Jennie is a very good vocal too, but Jisoo is way more consistent and just overall has better vocals. I love your channel, another amazing video! Looking forward to the next one :)

Using the lack of in-ear monitors as an excuse is funny considering some idols specifically choose not to wear them on stage and perform just fine

I think a lot of people in the comments don’t understand the difference of technique vs tonality. Someone having a tone you don’t like doesn’t mean they’re bad technically and someone having having a tone you like doesn’t equate to their technique prowess.

I was mad at SM sometimes when they decided for their idols to lip sync. Then when they sang live, i was like damn they are good, then im not mad anymore coz they always prove they are that good. The thing is kpop stan from other agencies tend to make fun and throw sarcasm when idols from SM lip sync. Here's my take, SM stand did not lip sync to cover their flaws. They are excellent when singing live its just sometimes they perhaps were asked to lip sync to kinda "preserve" their vocals in a long run. As for some idols from other agencies they lip sync to cover their flaws, as in they cant sing live. They struggle much

‘Sound the way struggle feels’ is my new favorite phrase xD

The term "all-rounders" is being thrown around by fans way too much to the point it just looses its meaning. For me, all-rounders should be someone who are above average in singing, dancing, performing, etc. Idols that came to my mind are Hyolyn for female idols and Taemin for male idols.

I think the Jennie > Jisoo narrative is fueled by a few aspects: 1. Support = Jennie seems more consistent while singing whereas Jisoo tends to strain more (subjectively though, Jisoo’s strain does help her emote at times) 2. Range = I’ve said this since I became a Blink in 2019, a lot of songs sound like Rosé did all of the reference vocals and YGE just told Jisoo what to cover without considering her range. Similar to V in BTS, Jisoo’s deeper voice makes hitting those higher pitched notes more difficult. 3. Clarity = No, not the song. We’ll get to that next. But Jennie’s voice is a lot more clear and doesn’t sound nasally (an issue we sometimes see with idols like Jihyo and Seulgi). 4. Blinks = Y’all need to stop saying Jisoo is main vocalist material and then using her cover of “Clarity” as an example… There are infinitely better options. Stop setting her up for failure. And the number of pity stans she has creates an even greater push for people to want to support Lisa and Jennie because Jisoo’s solo stans act like they’re underserving of their lines and she should be the only one with lines. 5. Language = I feel like Jisoo is much more comfortable singing in Korean. I know, obvious is obvious, it’s her native language. But it definitely feels like her singing feels more relaxed and fuller with Korean lyrics than with English ones. But since BP’s discography has more English than Korean lyrics, it can be a struggle for her. Overall, I think Jisoo should really do more OSTs where her voice can shine. YGE/Teddy’s production isn’t helping her. She sounded strained on the studio versions of her own debut mini album. The company isn’t helping her.

"we know how the story goes with HYBE and vocal training..." 😭 WHY CAN'T THEY JUST SEND THEIR ARTISTS TO GET HELP it's crazyyy to me

Omg you should’ve included that clip of Karina when she sings "Menagerie" in the studio. Her musicality, and her tone is beautiful

Ten form NCT/WayV has improved a LOT. I'm a new fan but I'm amazed with not only his dance ability but vocally

I feel like people just don't listen to boy groups. There's so many interesting vocalists: Kihyun and Jooheon of Monsta X, Hui and Jinho of Pentagon, BTOB's vocal line, Xiaojun, Jaehyun, Renjun, Chenle, Jungwoo, Ten and Kun of NCT, MJ, Moonbin, Sanha and Rocky of Astro, Woong of AB6IX, Seunghun of CIX, Keeho and Theo of P1Harmony, Seungmin of SKZ, Eunho of UNVS, Woozi of Seventeen, Suho and Chanyeol of EXO, Minho of Shinee, Jinyoung, Jay B and Youngjae of Got7, Sohee of RIIZE. And that is without mentioning any of the typical culprits. Are all of these top tier? No but anyone with ears will be pleased enough. The amount of great vocalists you find in a BG is around the same in a GG, I really don't know why people act like only one side can sing. I listen to both and I'm happy.

Doyoung has such stable live vocals, his voice is always loud and clear and so beautiful during live performance. During nct nation concert he had to perform almoat nonstop with nct 127 and nct u as he is present in all major tittle tracks

I think Jongho from Ateez has improved a lot since their debut, especially in his lower register. His recent special performance on the Ateez channel was really great. Plus, his more recent attempts of the high note in Wonderland Symphony 9 are a lot better than the famous one from Kingdom.

In aespa Giselle is definitly the most underated espacially vocally, it's probably because she's the less popular and haven't a powerfull voice but she's not less skilled than Karina or nmixx's Kyujin, Jiwoo and Bae. Sometime sm treat her like a mediocre vocalist while she's quite decent

I think Taemin's improvement in singing is amazing. going from 0 lines in the debut song to being an equal member of a vocally oriented group in a company with strong vocalists is impressive. But this vocal appreciation of the company is what made Taemin work so hard on his vocals. I get what you mean, saying that SM picks good vocalists, but honestly, most companies don't do even this bare minimum, and this effort from SM pays off by creating a healthy vocal competition. not only members who started weak like Taemin take vocal lessons, but even such main vocalists as Baekhyun keep taking vocal lessons. As a STAY, I see lots of improvement in the vocal abilities of SKZ members. I think the strongest improvement was in case of Seungmin, I.N and Lee Know. The first two were part of the vocal line, but let's be honest, they were not the strongest vocalists out there and when Woojin (the main vocal) left the group, it is the main rapper Han who took most of his part especially the most difficult ones, because Han had the most stable singing and the biggest range. I don't know when Seungmin started to take vocal lessons (btw he has the same teacher as Baekhyun), but one can see his improvement year by year and I feel so proud when I listen to his voice in their live performances. I.N improved as well, but I think Seungmin is a stronger vocalist overall. Regarding Lee Know, he got into the group for his dancing skills and debuted only after a few months of training, and he literally had 0 experience in singing and rapping before becoming a trainee, so he started at 0. but his improvement through the years is obvious and I love to hear how strong his voice sounds now and how well he sings his parts. It would be great to see a video about aces in kpop. I wonder if you include Han Jisung in that list. I think he deserves a spot there, but I don't know many idols that well, so I might evaluate the competition for this title wrongly.

I was stalking your page waiting for today's upload. Also, congrats on surviving an army attack 😌✊️ I need you to make a video about taemin's improvement specifically; he's like the only one to improve overtime.

I absolutely agree with you about SM! As a SM stan since 2010, here some of lists SM artist in term of vocally: 1. Good since beginning : Chen, Jonghyun (both attend the same vocal class I heard), Wendy, Taeyeon (I watch her supposed audition?), Baekhyeon, D.O (I heard he was a band vocalist when in highschool along with Hyunsik BtoB), Kyuhyun of Super Junior (I watched he supposed to be won over a competition before joined SM), Chenle (a famous kid singer even before joins SM), Xiaojun and Ningning (both were pickup from chinese competition and plenty of predebut videos😅). Improved alot : Taemin (he is my first bias, and I know his vocals potential since 2010), Seohyun and Sooyoung of SNSD (Seohyun joined SM since she was a kid, there is her voice training also, and now she is known for her vocal ability), Renjun of NCT Dream (in one video, he sangs a bit of Baby Dont Cry since he was debuted 2 or 3 years later with better vocals and continously improving, I assume SM treats his vocal well). Ten and Kun, especially Ten (don't forget his famous baby cover😅) I am still unsure due to lack predebut videos: Luna of FX, Yesung and Ryeowook of Super Junior, all of TVXQ members (I count as 5), Kai and Lay (I just don't notice their vocal progress). However I admit that some of SM artists are weak too vocally even though if you compare to other companies, they still seemingly have some basic trainings. I also want to mentioned that, some of SM Vocalist and ex-vocalist such as Haechan and Junsu (ex-TVXQ) went through puberty which I heard kind of hard to maintain a good vocal state.

Karina has amazing live vocals while performing. She's a true talent amongst the 4th gen.

Twice's best singers are also the three members with more years as trainees by a great difference, and that's no coincidence. Once the group debuted, all ongoing training seems to have ended, and all 9 were released 'into the wild' with the skills they managed to develop so far.

I think Lee Seoho of ONEUS would be quite a good all-arounder. He also auditioned to RBW as a rapper, never really sang much prior to joining the company and is now the main vocalist of ONEUS. He also was quite inflexible when he started too, but he's now one of the better dancers of the group. And just going to add, if you haven't checked them out already, check out ONEWE. Yonghoon's vocals are top tier and deserve so much more love and recognition.

The one thing about SM is they at least don’t let their vocalists regress over time. In a lot of other groups you can tell that the vocalists were originally better than they are (I’ve heard this about Jihyo, Wheein, Jimin and others). This particularly annoys me because idols tend to get better at everything else over time except singing. It’s sad.

Karina is so underrated period

agree but Giselle is also an amazing vocalist i think she's more underrated Sm just doesn't give her a chance to showcase her vocals

EXO main vocals are talented, gifted and skilled before debut and after debut they still receive vocal training. Just imagine them now. And lead vocals are so good they could pass as main vocals in other groups. And rappers produce music as vocalist and not rap songs in their solos. Ughh literal Vocal Kings.

An example of great vocal evolution is Lee Know. He was a professional dancer and was only a trainee for 1 month. He debuted in the group with practically no vocal training, but has been improving a lot, especially this year, when he started taking Voice Tuning classes, and now he is singing more challenging lines vocally. He has a great range and a beautiful timbre

The thing with Jennie and Jisoo is not the technical side of it, it’s the songs choice, JISOO’s tone just doesn’t suit the group’s songs. Out of all of their songs I can only think of 3-5 songs where her voice suited the song, but Jennie’s tone always suit the style of the song.

my fave voice from aespa is karina don't know how to explain it but i just love it especially in the sad waltz ost

I believe I read a comment somewhere that Karina originally trained to be the main vocalist of the group (this would’ve been before Winter and Ning Ning joined SME). I couldn’t verify the validity of that statement. But if it is, she definitely shows it! And she’s absolutely one of the few all rounders in the industry!

I was genuinely shocked about Yunjin as I thought her vocals were decent, and she has acquired a developed basic skill as a singer, but after consuming this information, the more I actually agree. I think what holds Yunjin back is that her voice can be very light and already stylistic in the classical style which in some aspects it allows her to sound very nasal and beautiful of that type of singing however translated into pop music can be unfortunately sound slightly off and out of place due to the stylistic choices of classical music. It just sounds slightly off in the process. I feel like if Yunjin wants to take her vocal to the next level, she would have to deconstruct everything and build her technique from a technical standpoint in pop styles if she wants to. At the end of the day, Yunjin is a good vocalist in lesserafim, and I really appreciate her skills.

I would love to see a video on how rose or nayeon or yeonjun have improved vocally or overall since their debut!

Taeil, Doyoung and Xiaojun will always be my top 3 from NCT.

Both Taeyeon and Wendy both developed vocal nodules shortly after after arriving at SM because they learned that they weren't singing properly when they started.... which kind of destroys your theory. And I'm just going to say that although she's a lead vocalist, Seulgi would be a main vocalist in any group that didn't already have Wendy in it.

i think seungmin and jeongin of straykids are both idols who have had massive vocal improvement since the start of their careers. they’re also some of the only idols i’ve seen openly speak out about seeking vocal coaches outside their company because they knew what they were getting from the company wasn’t enough and I think that’s rly important.

Karina is really an underrated vocalist, just because she's a main dancer, a lead dance and a visual/fotg/center, people kind of underestimate her with the obsession of "visual members are untalented"

You should definitely do the Video on All-Rounders. Of the idols that I know of in 4th Gen, Karina and Kyujin are the only one I'd consider as All Rounders

I WISH Karina was a lead vocalist or something. I’ve said this for a while and not necessarily for skill because I’m not a professional with vocals, but she CAN SING and sounds GOOD. And it’s very hard sometimes to differentiate between winter and ningning because they have higher voices but Karina’s lower voice sounds good to me. But I’m glad she gets a lot of lines to sing especially in GOT the beat.

Actual all rounder in K-pop is very rare.

sohee of riize just debuted, but if you watch his pre debut videos you can tell he’s improved his technique a lot. they did something right when they trained him.

i cant agree more with you about karina , people often underestimate her because of her position in the grup and of course of how powerful winter and ningning are , but she is so well rounded vocalist , and probably the best all rounder i know

omg I never heard Yunjin's before wtf I'm shocked, I always thought le sserafim lacks every aspect of vocality, still a fan of their sweet angelic songs and performances (impurities & perfect night)

would love a video on kpop’s all rounders, personally Baekhyun & Seulgi come to mind when I think of this they’re extremely good at everything they do (I don’t think rapping should be a qualification here)

I agree with the comment for jimin. He is really not a good vocalist. It is proved so many times. There si many excuse: his in ear or he's not feeling well. But now we know thetruth

You could make a video about dancers that are vocalist and how he do on stage: the sing or dance? The choose what? For exemple: Seulgi (lead vocalist and main dancer) and Taemin (main dancer and lead/sub vocalist) but these two have solo songs so I think will be interisting to know (also there is alot more like Chungha and others....)

For me I like when it comes to groups every member have different vocal styles that's why EXO is my favorite vocal group every member is amazing in their own style. You got the main three vocalists and you have to lead vocalists. Kai and sehun have both definitely improved even though in the beginning their voices were great what is years went by they got even better yes they're not main vocalists butt those two have amazing sweet voices that people love that's why EXO works so good together

I remember when SNSD had their encore in a large event (Golden Disk) with loud bactrack and no earpiece but managed to sing their song. ❤ And yes, Bae is a really good vocalist. Also Karina 😍

Critiquing lack of vocal technique is one thing. To say someone "can't sing" is something else. Kpop comment sections never fail to fail.

For the vocal improvement video, I reccomend L from Infinite. His singing style and improvement before and after 2016 is very noticable. I would like to hear your analysis of it.

I think in Yunjin's case I see she tries a little bit to sound like classical singer but I want to describe two point about it: One thing is classical TECHNIQUE and other is classical Style, therefore is not the same to say "she's singing like a classical singer" than "she has classical technique". I use to practice with classical technique but my teacher told me " You don't need to sound like a classical singer just because you're learning classical technique, you don't need to change your voice to sound like one you don't really are" That's what I want to explain because maybe some people can think or suppose classical technique/style is the same thing when it isn't. The style is part of one, you can sound like you want if you want, add some nasality, or maybe using a vocal color like dark or bright, in any ways the technique is what you learn and the style is what you want to add to your singing.

My unpopular opinion would be: There is a double standart for cursive singing, men don't get labeled if they sing in cursive they are praised, women get hate for singing in cursive. Jimin and V from BTS constantly sing in cursive and I have never seen anyone talking about it.

for all rounders, if they're not around the same solid level for all skills, they're not an all rounder. examples for all rounders i can think of are yeonjun from txt, karina from aespa, yoojung from weki meki, kyujin from nmixx etc

yes! I'm so here for the karina appreciation! typically i think all-rounder is overused to hell and back but for me personally, she fits my definition perfectly. imo, in order to be an allrounder, you need to have a justifiable lead/main position in 2/3 skills (dance/rap/vocal) and competency in the other. karina is the best rapper, and dancer in aespa and she can certainly hold it down vocally as well! also i find the comment abt it being easier to find better vocalists in boy groups in comparison to girl groups is true for high level of dancing skills as well. ofc that's not to say that gg members can't dance or arent as good in a case by case basis. but i do think that though visuals are important for all of kpop, they are more important in ggs and frankly you can see it in the way where women like soyeon and hwasa are belittled for their appearance far severely than any bg member.

I think that one all-rounder in K-POP that we really don't talk about a lot is SeeA from PinkFantasy Her rapping skills are decent (she's the MAIN RAPPER OF THE GROUP), her singing is amazing and poweful (she's also got the lead vocalist position), her dancing is elegant I know a lot of people claim their favorite Idols are all-rounders, but right now, I REALLY MEAN IT

I'm afraid SouMu would regress Yunjin's vocal ability like they did to Yuju tbh. They really need to find a proper vocal trainer ASAP, Lesserafim is so painful to listen to it hurts me so much because I honestly love the members.

I think Le sserafim members need more vocal coaching. Chaewon and Yunjin are good (although it is always good to continue training) but the company probably only trained Eunchae, Kazuha and Sakura vocally enough so that they could sing the songs and that's it. They could be perfect if only their company did that because they are good at dancing and stage presence, plus Yunjin has shown that she can write songs (the rest too, but the one who has participated the most has been her)

I just think that in Korea it's not seen as necessary for female idols to actually be good at singing. It seems much more important that they are pretty and marketable, skill is a bonus.

I think it's not the SM main vocals where you see the SM water. But the improvement in those who were selected for other roles. Taemin etc. Karina is a VERY underrated singer because outside (and sometimes even inside) of the aespa fandom, all people focus on are her looks. Interesting observation about there being better vocalists in boy groups than girl groups. I don't listen to as many bgs, but will definitely try to pay more attention now.

Karina is my fav tone in 4th gen

i think kyujin, wendy and hyolyn are genuine all rounders

The last one isn't even limited to KPOP. Female pop artists are expected to do the most and reinvent themselves every comeback whereas male artists can do the same old shit. Compare people like Ari, Demi, Olivia, and Miley to JB, Shawn, Ed, or Charlie Puth; or Little Mix to OD. The girls are exponentially better. When was the last time you've heard a male act get pounded by media for singing badly even tho so many of them suck?

Bae the Balancer 🫶

yes! and i really enjoy karina's tone~ i hope she can shine more as well!!

i loveeeee karina's voice in dreams come true

Regarding Jisoo and Jennie, I think people need to learn that lack of support isn’t the only way to strain. Things such bad larynx position, jaw tension, throat closure, and just lack of openness can also lead to straining. If Jisoo really lacked support, then how is she the most stable singer in bp??? 😭

I don't think standard for male vocalists is higher at all especially in newer groups but it might also be because i don't know all that many male vocalists to begin with Another thing is a lot of underdeveloped gilgroup members can at least sound kinda stable singing their own songs(look at gfriend,redvelvet,wjsn,etc the technically weak members don't really sound bad) while most of the bg members i know sound pretty bad live

I have been speaking to my friend about this earlier.. And I said " male idols have techniques and vocals but have boring or unimpressive concept while female idols have impressive concepts majority of them lack in both singing and rapping.." That's why ggs seem like they're better then bgs while you'll see more ggs lip sync and use back track than bgs on the other hand bgs seem like they all sound the same or follow the same sound..each gg has their unique sound that can easily be identified (and this absolutely does not apply to all cases but majority

Definitely do the video on all rounders. Also Super Junior's Eunhyuk has improved his vocal ability a lot since debut.

Love your channel ❤ as a singer myself, these videos really help me learn. Thank you:)

as a lesserafim stan and a yunjin ult im begging hybe to give them some proper vocal lessons omg they have so much potential

Dongwoon from Beast/Highlight improved quite a bit over the years (even Yoseob improved tbh). Their 12:30 stages were always hard to perform, but seeing Yoseob belt his high notes constantly since they went independent and Dongwoon taking up Hyunseung parts in most of their songs has been quite impressive

Aside from Taemin, who wasn’t even allowed to sing on their debut song and is now a competent vocalist, I don’t know of any idols who have made serious improvements in their singing. Rapping, yes, but singing? I’d definitely enjoy a video on the topic!

i once watched sisters slam dunk (it was a show where various random women were put together in a girl group to record a song together) and they had a vocal coach from sment there. they ofc cut the whole thing and the show most certainly followed a script, but when it ended, i felt like all the girls (and some of them were no singers/idols) had gained a lot of confidence and did improve. thought that was interesting to see...

About the vocal improvement video, I think the whole EXO have improved over the years (they`ve really worked hard)

For vocal improvement please do Kai and Chanyeol from Exo + Taemin please Also I don't think Sm only take trainee who can already sing, many idols under sm became better vocalist thanks to sm training ex Taemin or Kai (many idols also became better by doing more solo stuff which help improve because they sing way more than when they have 2 lines per song)

Honestly, thank you for including the opinion about vocal standards between girl groups and boy groups. I agree and it drives me nuts how blindsided some people are about their group's vocals. Of course, there are terrible bg vocalists and amazing gg vocalists and when you get a really good one, they are often the best in the business, but gg only stans have to stop setting up their girls 😭 it totally fine to prefer gg music but then don't get so mad when people point out the obvious

well people always ignore talking about bp in the comments it seems.i def agree that jisoo is better than jennie,jenstans acing like vocal coaches will never not be funny to me i mean how delusionnal do u have to be ong.Vocals isnt about that stupid kva rankings and it certainly isnt about support,and if u really only wanted to talk abt support,then jisoo would still be better anyway,i always point out that support isnt what makes someone a good vocalist and that there is no such thing as below averge or mid average or shallow support but these people keep inventing words by themselves.