Sitting in the Quah drinking a beer revisiting this episode. My wife is Cherokee and I'm Choctaw. She has been to the sight of Neds fort. Anywho keep up the good work.

Nice job, several atrocities were still be caused as late at 1970s by the government. Like you I feel their plight is ingored all to often.

Tahlequah is pronounced like "towel- a- kwaw" by Oklahomans.

Being from Polk County Tennessee, I can confirm that the signs of the Cherokee are still everywhere. Finding arrow heads is common when turning the garden.

Grew up and continue to live within a few miles of both the Zeke Proctor shootout at Whitmire and Ned's fort at Wauhilla. Know some of the descendants of both men. They're good folks. Enjoyed the podcast and ,as usual, appreciated the fair way the story was told. Food for thought: It could be that Ned knew he was innocent and saw no reason why he should have to defend himself in a white man's court for something he didn't do and that he shouldn't have to answer for. But there is another story. If you were starting across a foot log in as rough and tumble a place as Tahlequah at that time, and someone yelled at you out of the darkness and in a threatening way would you shoot first or would you take the time to ask him if he was a marshal? If he was a marshal and you'd already shot, then what would you do?

Loved this one very informative and kept me laughing. Keep making history fun to listen to

I'm glad you gave him respect by not showing that ghoulish death picture of him.

I think you were pretty close to the actual truth on Neds story ! There was no established truth to link him to the deputys death yet he was pursued as the killer! Very well done !

Really looking forward to that Heck Thomas episode. One of my personal favorites! EXCELLENT channel, man!👍

I remember that series of books put out by Time-Life I remember a couple different ones. But I do remember Ned posing with his armaments - propped up whilst stone cold dead. I always confused him with Bill Doolin, reclines with a chest full of buck shot. DO ONE ON FRANK LESLIE

Good job with your story. I enjoyed listening to it. Had some funny parts in there too. Paden Tolbert was one of the Deputy U.S. Marshal’s who went to get Ned Christie. I’m from where Tolbert was raised in Arkansas. Paden served as a deputy sheriff in Johnson County prior to being a US Marshal. Paden’s brother John was also a marshal. Paden also served with another well known Deputy US Marshal Bud Ledbetter. Ledbetter was a town Marshal in Coal Hill, arkansas and a Johnson County Deputy prior to being a marshal. Locally the story is told that Paden and his posse met at the, later burned down, Johnson County Court house during the night so no one would know their plan. Then they rode the train to fort smith where they met some other Marshals and went to Talequah from there. Paden, OK was also named after Paden Tolbert.

there is a good book by Larry McMurtry titled Zeke and Ned about Christie, enjoyed reading it. The way to say the name of the town is more like Tally Kwa btw ;)

Hands down you have my absolute favorite channel on KZfaq thank you for the content.

Great job 👏🏻 I really appreciate this episode

My maternal great grandmother was a member of the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Nation. I have Cherokee on my father's side too, with Irish , German and Ashkenazi (European Jewish ) thrown in. I've subscribed and will look forward to your videos.

Another job well done, love the passion you have for this subject and time in our great countries history. Always look forward to the next episode. Don't listen to HR bud OUTLAW UP and handle your business. Your episodes are always talked about at The Outlaw Saloon over a beer or Whisky depending on the taste of the day or just how drunk we want to get. Keep doing what you do love the podcast.

Great podcast! One of my favorites! 👍🏻👍🏻

Thank you so much for this thorough, balanced accaount of his story. I too, have the Time-Life book, that piqued my interest in the man and WTF actually happened between the featured photo and the infamous "grip 'n grin" on the door. In the 40-odd years since, I've found little more than the 2 pix and the "renegade Injun" narrative. You've very masterfully told us "the rest of the story". And the contextual "epilogue" was so essential and well prsented. Full fuckin' respect and kudos!

From Cherokee and Creek heritage.Another great video.Look forward to the next one

Dude this show is awesome! We love it!

Quickly becoming my favorite new channel. Currently reading Blood Meridian.

As an over the road trucker and an avid old west/ American history lover I’ve got to say, I absolutely love your podcast! I have that entire time/life old west series as well as the civil war series

I have just found this "podcast" and share it on MeWe on several different pages, Tombstone old West history & several Native American pages. All enjoy it as it tries to paint the real history of the old west from a modern perspective.

Awesome brother. I fall asleep listening to you cast, cuz I work for a living driving truck, but I like a good story and this soothes my 55 yr old souls yes soul's think I've been there done that! Or (Iam bat shit crazy) IDK your podcast is great and I can finally dream at night. Without drugs lol. Nice job Josh great stories and truth as best as you can find it , I send them to my friends . Keep up the great works and history my friend.✌️❤️🙏💯🇺🇸

Ned kept his word. He never gave himself up and went out boots on shooting on his terms. Well done Ned Christie.

another excellent podcast....thanks

I came here after listening to the podcast Legends of the Old West. I was very intrigued in the story of Ned and now I'm hooked on your channel. I like the way you narrate it reminds me the narrator from Dukes of Hazzard. And I'm going to inquire to donate to a charity for the Native Americans. Your message towards the end messages opened my heart. Thank you. I look forward to more on your series. I'll keep within my video viewing listening rotation. ✌🏽

Story I heard was Heck Thomas fired the shot that hit the bridge of Ned's nose and ricocheted into his right eye and blinded him from that socket. After that, Ned shot left handed. Also during the last fight Ned bolted from the burning cabin running right past a deputy who turned and fired a shot that hit Christie in the back of the head just behind the right ear that killed him instantly. Christie never fired a shot at anyone during that final dash.

Glass was probably discovered by someone who may have seen sand hit by lightning, glass is mostly sand. Depends on the time in history. But yeah when lightning hits sand it turns to glass. I’m Chickasaw and my great grandmother got sent there too.

Perfect mix of shelby foote and jeff foxworthy- too cool and great podcast!!!

I like that your willing to be corrected and even mention the times you are corrected. It shows a dedication to the truth and that makes you a bit more of a historian than your ego allows you to claim.

Read Ned's story about 20 yrs ago. Can't remember the author - lost the book somewhere. But what you recounted here was about the dame thing I'd read, even with the supossitions about the unknowns. Great job, Josh! Keep the good work up!

You and I might have been buddies if you’d grown-up in central Ohio. I have the whole set of those Time-Life, “leatherette” bound, ‘Old West’ books-ordered directly from the television screen on an old rotary-dialed telephone that I had to walk over to the desk it sat on to use! (The hardships of growing up in the 60s and 70s) 😂 I’m dismayed to hear they aren’t 100% historically accurate! Having two English professors for parents, books were one of the only things I could USUALLY get them to bust out a credit card for! Another great video brother! Semper Fi (Keep your powder dry) 👍🏼❤️

So much research had to be found and placed in a sequence. Great research sir! The humor ads extra entertainment, much appreciated.

You are a great historian! Keep it up!

Love your podcasts Josh! Thank you so much! Really look forward to them. And keep cussing! Lol

Love your videos bro ! I think we have the same take on history for sure.

I am Cherokee. Family is from tahlequah Oklahoma. Cookson, keys and bunch Oklahoma. Many of this history runs way back into my family. I love these episodes thank you sir

My family was mixed with cherokee. The land was part of it but what you failed to mention is cherokee women were friggin HOT!

Another awesome story, and some shocking news. Thanks for it all

Great vid as always

I too have the Time Life books, and I can find good copies at second hand shops.

Old time "Ruby Ridge"... amiright?!?.... Edit.! You brought this up too,! Great job!!

My great great grandmother was Cherokee. She was a reservation bride. Wives were far and few between so quite a few younger brothers went into the territories and took Indian brides.

There was a book a novel actually named Ned Christy's War I don't remember who wrote but for a novel it was pretty well based on history and fact.

Wild west history is something I find fascinating, especially since moving to Colorado, but its so far removed from what I studied, the ancient near east, but its still the same, just different costumes and weapons.

My 3x Grandma Laura Young came through the Trail of Tears via South Carolina. She married my Madagascan 3x Grandpa Chsrlie , settling in McKinney.

I too read the Time Life books as a kid. I thought I knew something about history of this event. Boy was I wrong, thank you very much for this podcast. Great Job

Gawd dayumn I luv these

Good episode. Not much is told about the Oklahoma history. Have you done an " Apache Kid " episode ?

Someone likes timesuck. New subscriber I listened to all your videos tonight's 16 hour shift. Very enjoyable. Doesn't get boring at any point. Me being from same generation as you is a plus. Keep them coming. Confused about the numbering. Bloody beaver and this one. Think third from bottom said it was video 16. You got patron but unfortunately they don't take Google money

I am descendant from Dan Maples, just extra bits to add to the story - He was killed the first night he had set up camp in the Cherokee nation. His son (Samuel) was also part of the group sent to find outlaws in the Cherokee nation. Dan and his son had come back from getting supplies from the nearby town and shots were fired from a nearby bush at the group, Samuel was behind his dad in the group and watched his dad get shot. He never returned to Oklahoma/Arkansas after Christie was killed, moving too California then Canada where he died in a blizzard. Before Christie was decided to be the only suspect, both the Cherokee nation and Benton county had rewards for the arrest of the killer. This next bit has nothing to do with the story, but it still annoys me since I found out. Dan Maples daughter Daisy Pearl abandoned her twin girls after a divorce with her husband. He was supposed to take their 3 boys and she was supposed to take their 2 girls, he kept his word and she said well fuck it.

The posse for ned Christie had a picture of themselves taken just before the capture.. All the posse looked arrogant. That they were involved in history. One of the posse members was a young kid from 13 to 15.

I enjoyed the two intros in this one LOL

"How's the weather up there?" Spit on their head and tell them,"its raining"

Part Cherokee here, wolf clan of the eastern band. My family fought for the South. Both the Cherokee and Irish side

I have that time life set of books

Hey buddy, love the vids. Just a heads up tho. As a grandson of a Cherokee that was raised on the rez near Tahlequah Oklahoma, no biggie cause a lot of towns in Ok are weird, it’s pronounced Tal-e-kwah. Tal like the word tally, short E sound like the word end and quah like the word squaw.

Thanks love listening keep up

Thumbs up really good story.

josh, you should do a video of that one old west gunfighter, think he's a colonel of something. sanders i think his name was

Got that same Time Life book.

John Eldridge was the first white property owner in now Hamilton County, TN, Chattanooga area. I have both his descendant, my great grandfather Arthur Columbus Davis, and his wife's native blood. The five civilized tribes..."...they called us civilized because we were easy to sneak up on..." "...one must be Indian to know these things..."

Zeke and Ned by Larry McMurtry is a great read.Tells about Ned Christy.

Josh Josh Josh...you're the Best! Nowhere in Kentucky is there gold nor silver. Southwest Virginia is your Secret Honey Hole! Probably where Swift was! Where many legends famous and Infamous was here. You check it out bub. God Bless!!!

The fact that he converted his pistols from black powder to cartridge is very impressive!

hey! could you make a podcast about felipe espinosa someday? there might not be much info about him but he's pretty insane

Any Indian Outlaw is Half Cherokee and Choctaw

25:44-25:51 WADO! Thank You for this statement.

Ned and his dad were Eskimo brothers. Thats just classy right there. LoL. There's gotta be a trailer park and baby daddy mixed in this for good measure.

Sometimes I feel like it's Danny McBride narrating some cool old wild west stories.

You should do a video on Mary Fields aka Stagecoach Mary.

It is good to see journalistic integrity is a time-honored tradition.

I like Ned Christie. I think that often, unjust laws push people into a corner and they end up fighting with their backs up against a wall. Ordinary good people end up turning violent, as it becomes a fight for life. This is a very big injustice. PS. You mispronounced Talequah. Tal - LA - quah.

I have 5 vol. of Times/Life “The Old West”, leather bound; The Rivermen, The Cowboys, The Gunfighters, The Loggers and The Forty-Niners.

I want to say thank you josh, I appreciate the truth and that's as well as all history but this was exceptionally done did a great service history is looking at the good and the bad it is what it is it was what it was it's the effect it had going forward is to be appreciated a lesson learned is wisdom earned

This is a tragedy. He seems to be a good man who got a bad shake. If your supposition is true, it's a crime.

Killed it, glad you brought up John Paris, he's always been my pick for the murderer, making Ned innocent as hell. Just a guy that didn't give a damn about the white law.

Wade Christie was my 4th Great Grandfather. Ned is my 1st cousin, 4 times removed!

You should read my great great grandfather's autobiography. He was a Methodist circuit rider Born 1823. He was 97 I think when he wrote the book. WILLAM JASPER COTTER MY AUTOBIAGRAPHY. It's online. His book is the only one I've read that tells the true of anything I've read or been taught. He was there for the "removal" as well as the civil war. Keep in mind he wrote it with words that were acceptable and expected in that day/era

Dis hear be some good listenin

Thanks for laying down the truth!

After Andrew Jackson ordered the Trail of Tears Indian removal Act I don't Blame any of them who choose the Gun ! I think adrenalin is addictive !

Way to murder Tahlequah LMFAO. Texicans man.

Sort of a "Cake or death" question isn't it?...@ roughly the 18 minute mark...😂

Bro, you have to watch some episodes of Mr. Pickles. I feel like you could do a mean impression of the sheriff.

Good work. Very informative. Thx.

Arch wolf was my great grandfather

My aunt i love is back on tbe res. Love yo azz.

They bulldozed his grave? How'd that even happen?

Good deal Josh. Great delivery, fun false start. You are keep things fresh with the delivery. Believe in Jesus.

Dig the Indian Outlaw holler out.

I have two requests: Jerry Ambler and Bob Fudge pls.

@ 3:52min Glass is a byproduct of superheated silica particles. The art of glassmaking goes back thousands of years. As far as Ned Christie goes he was accused of several crimes which were alleged but never proven. He was a former member of the Cherokee Tribal Congress. During a week the Cherokee Congress was in session in May 1887 a Deputy US Marshal named Maples was ambushed and murdered outside of Tahlequah, Indian Territory. See referenced Wikipedia excerpt below. On May 3, 1887, U.S. Deputy Marshal Daniel Maples led a posse into Indian Territory seeking sellers of illegal whiskey, which had been made a federal crime in that territory.[b] A principal suspect was Bud Trainer, who had a record for selling whiskey and was known for violence. After spending the day unsuccessfully seeking Trainer, Maples and posse member George Jefferson started back to their camp near Spring Branch Creek, outside Tahlequah. Maples was shot from ambush in the territory of the Cherokee Nation and died the next day of his wounds. The shooter had escaped.[1] Ned Christie was falsely accused of the murder of Deputy Marshal Maples and was sought and several raids attempting to either arrest or kill him by posses led by Deputy US Marshals sent out by the US Court for the Western District of Arkansas administered by Judge Isaac Parker (known as the "hanging judge"). This series of raids was known as "Ned Christie's War." He had written Judge Parked that he'd give himself up if the court would grant him bail to be allowed to go find evidence of his innocence. (He was as the derisive saying goes "guilty until proven innocent). They shot him after having set his cabin afire once in 1889. Burning his cabin and blacksmith shop as well. After he was nursed back to health he and his family built a fort of a double walled cabin with sand packed in between the walls. The next raid attempting to capture him in October of 1892. Six Marshals sent by US Marshal Jacob Yoes. After a fire fight they withdrew with 2 men wounded. Yoes proposed a military-style raid on the fort. It was led by Deputy Gideon S. “Cap” White, a former captain in the U.S. Cavalry during the Civil War. Gus York, a civilian who was familiar with the territory, was hired to assist White, along with 14 other men. An army post in Kansas agreed to loan White a cannon for the expedition.  Photograph of US Deputy Marshals posing with the corpse of Ned Christie in November 1892. (1) Paden Tolbert (2) Capt. G.S. White (3) Coon Ratteree (4) Enoch Mills (5) deceased Ned Christie (6) Thomas Johnson (7) Charles Copeland (8) Heck Bruner White's force surrounded the Christie fort on the morning of November 3, 1892. In addition to Christie, others at the fort included his wife Nancy, her son Albert, Ned's daughter, Mary; his granddaughter, Charlotte; nephew Little Arch Wolf, and Charles Hair, a 12-year-old Cherokee.[9][1] After the first exchange of rifle fire, the marshals allowed the women to leave, and held them elsewhere.[1] The posse of lawmen killed Christie in their attack. The lawmen loaded a double charge of powder into the cannon for more power, but the next shot blew up the barrel. They pushed a wagon load of dynamite against one wall of the fort and detonated it. The explosion destroyed part of the fort and set the rest afire. Christie was fatally shot as he escaped the burning ruins.[1] Ned Christie had said he'd never be taken alive and another interesting thing was he never spoke English again after he'd been "framed" for the murder charge and how every lie he had ever had told about himself was in English.

I have the whole series. It’s supercool.

Lol my goodness this was great

I love this!❤

Just a gut feeling, but an innocent man does not make himself scarce, a guilty man will. By what you have said, with no other proof, I'm leaning towards a hero

What, no mention of the Turkey call? Good show nevertheless.

Thank you for distinguishing the differences between tribes! I’m part native (Taos Pueblo/Apache) and we all did not live like the cherokee! I always get suspicious when a white person says hey I’m Native too! And I say what tribe? 90% of the time they say cherokee🤣 lol