Time stamp? I must have missed that part

@@mekaibowen8262 he didn’t actually say it. it’s just a joke about how his field is so different than what he’s talking about

@@user-pj5yc5rs8k ohh. Haha. I just thought quotes meant you were quoting something 😂

@@mekaibowen8262 quotation marks can be used for fiction and non fictional sentences, the way to tell the difference is the context before or after the said quote so next time just read a bit more and you won’t have an issue🙂

Woke as fuck Why do you give a shit about most conservative issues

Funny thing is, in another part of this interview, NDT calls out Ben as the "King of Pissing Off People in the Internet", and Ben ACKNOWLEDGES IT with A LAUGH like "Yeah, that's right heheheeeee"

It’s called thinking and not blurting out catch phrases to score points

I don’t know.. I am pretty sure that’s how he talks in most educational videos I’ve seen him in.. he’s being very deliberate with his words. I can only imagine the amount of mindfulness and patience I’d need in order to endure a conversation with a fast talking spitfire like Ben Shapiro

That's really sad. You don't know anyone who thinks before they speak?

More people need to watch their words more carefully and be more aware of their consequences.

Yeah I don't get all the fuss tbh about gender and shit I have never seen in my life a single transgender

I've seen some they do exist@@ioakimantonis4687

@@ioakimantonis4687 that is exactly because of the structure of society especially in the west, where the people identifying out of their assigned gender, are still more at risk to bully, su1cides, social ostracisation, etc. because because we see this in research that approximately 1 to 2% of population on average identifies as non-binary. For example, in the culture of India, transgender community has been living with their own identity since centuries and hence they have the highest population of trans people, and by that extension LGBTQ community… in the whole world. now this does not mean that the LGBT folks are the happiest there or they don’t face discrimination in terms of laws and the non-LGBT people, THEY STILL DO.. it’s just that at least they have come terms to the fact that so and so phenomenon exists.

@@ioakimantonis4687I’ve met 3 or 4. My cousin is transgender and seeing her obsess on wanting to be male is pretty sad to be honest. She’s had healthy breasts removed by the national healthcare service, she’s now depressed and won’t leave her room or engage with the family. If a family member is obsessed with drugs or transgender issues the outcomes seem similar. For someone to say just ignore it because it’s a free country is odd

Neil cant make it about science because it would invalidate his nonbinary daughter.

You: *doesn’t understand*

This us such a complete non-sequiter from leftists. He talks fast therefore he's wrong? If your simple mind can't comprehend it slow down the video, turn on captions.

@@JobVanDam He talks fast so you cannot get your point across. Works with woke 20-year olds in college campuses. If he tries that against a competent debater, he'll tear him a new one.

@@DudeWatIsThis You leftists live in a bubble then you claim to know what happens outside your bubble. Ben has debated Ana Kasparian, Cenk Uygur, Destiny, Alex O Connor and TONS of people on his Sunday Show. None of them are the type you can just steamroll by talking fast, he makes his point, when hes done talking they respond. Furthermore if they don't understand why can't they just say "excuse me, can you please repeat that?" Both Destiny and Alex O'Connor, intelligent left wing people, have complimented Ben. Only you bubble leftists can't because you have to live in a binary world. You are good and he is bad. You are nice and he is mean. You are the truth and he is the lie. You are the light and he is the dark.

@@JobVanDam I am not a leftist, lol. I'm just critical. And I just think Ben Shapiro is a doofus, that's all. Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur are MUCH worse, though. There's barely any merit in winning a debate against them. But what would Shapiro do against Sam Harris? Against Dan Dennet or Slavoj Zizek? Well, maybe if you are American you can still consider me a leftist, since you guys just pick between "right wing" and "more right wing". But in Europe I'm center-right. And no, I'm not British.

Neil D: [This must be the sport where babies are made]

If one or both parties are vaxxed as close as both parties feel comfortable. Free country lets keep it that way.

I don’t get it?. Is this a joke?

Oh your the type of person who comments on videos like-(plot twist) lame!!… be original instead of regurgitation of meme comments.

@D C, okay, at least they're not frotting

Quote for the ages.

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@mgi 12321 Ah but Alfred Nobel was another cis white man, his misogynistic racist award lives to this day... 😜

@@worldscar6422 "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil; that see darkness for light and light for darkness; that taste bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter." Isaiah 5:20

Friedman's quote was relative to "financial equality" ... spouting quotes out of context, is bafoonary .. carry on.

This is the best way to describe it

I get used to listening to Neil on 1.25x, and then your brain has to work at warp-speed to follow Ben

So intelligent Ben Shapito, but he does not realize that Neil deGrasse is exposing a lot of different points, and every time Shapiro tries to answer one, he interrupts Shapiro arguing and introducing more points, without allowing him to answr his own questions and taking the most of the conversation. Is a subtle tactic of temperamental imposition when a person is so prompt to speak without the will to listen to the one he speaks to.

Exactly right. The politicians and officials should only ever seek to protect and expand our freedoms. Any time someone tells you, we must all appose some group that is already marginalized, you are being used. And Ben here is looking for some, really any, rationale that makes people think that's ok. He's pretending to be scientific and dispassionate, but he is anything but. He's an erudite apologist.

Then why are the gays using judges and the legislature to impose their ideas on the rest of society?

If that ain’t the most passive aggressive comment lmaooo

Yeah he never does that

@@hardcoore_gyt9254 : )

Have you seen his interviews? Sam Harris, Andrew yang, Joe Rogan etc.

@@Lebronwski More a comment on the format in general. Yes, after seeing this video I did start watching more of his interviews.

Debates the way they are supposed to be.

@@japanpanda2179 check out his interview with Andrew Neil and see if you have the same opinion

True. Setting aside our own opinions on the issue.

Yeah the only thing is Neil keeps interrupting him every 5 seconds

Stop with the sanctimonious bull

Actually it should. There’s right and there’s wrong. There’s facts and fiction. If a man identifying as woman can walk into any vulnerable space used by biological women this will make them feel uneasy, and frightened. Not everyone agrees with this, and rightly so. This is dangerous!. Neil is a scientist, and he should be reporting facts. Instead he danced around the questions.

It matters when it effects everyone else. It matters when it's forced onto others or violates the rights of others such as biological makes using woman's bathrooms and entering their sports

It matters when it effects others. It matters when it violates the rights of others, such as religious freedom, freedom of speech, biological men using women's bathrooms and entering women's sports

@@reginayoung5578 if someone's existence violates your religious freedom, then your religion is built off controlling others and is precisely the type of thing the right to religious freedom is supposed to protect us all from: you imposing your beliefs on me. we gotta get over the bathroom thing. if you're worried about a trans person coming in to violate you, then please consider that someone coming to violate you is not gonna be stopped by a sign on a door anyway, irrelevant of gender. what are they gonna do to you in there, pee in the stall next to yours? fix their makeup? exist? if you've ever seen a gender neutral restroom in any of the dozens of countries where they're standard (or a family bathroom in the US), you can notice quite clearly that people, by and large, use a bathroom as a bathroom, not a hunting ground. if that's all you can think about then i question why, frankly

⁠@@reginayoung5578why do people keep using "effects" instead of "affects"?

Neil is so stupid in so many ways it’s really a shame. Ben is way smarter than this guy.

If you are FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED to transgenderism. There is nothing for you in this debate. If you are someone WILLING TO LISTEN Neil makes very great points. Whether you use biological arguments or whatever, the FACT is that people in a free country are choosing to express themselves outside of a gender binary. This EXPRESSION is regardless of biology, or other such arguments. And again, if you are WILLFULLY REFUSING to listen to Neil, like you said "it isn't even a debate". But for those more open-minded, they might just receive a new perspective that they otherwise did not have. I would recommend that you live your life LISTENING to others, rather than constantly living defensively and argumentatively. You do not have to AGREE with someone, to simply listen.

FACTS

​@@kollatherals_altFACTS indeed, i meen he has a Position to loose, he cant really say nothing ❤

Neil was putting forth legitimate arguments. If your preoccupation is to take a "soundbyte" out of context, you have already told on yourself, that you are NOT listening and acting in bad faith. Only sensationalists look to take arguments out of context.

total fraud clown 100%

@@Tom-ee3gs Just because you can't understand him, doesn't make him a fraud.

Neil deGrasse Tyson is trying to avoid pressuring Ben Shapiro so much he throws a tantrum. It's an uncomfortable spot to be in. We all remember the BBC interview.

It's like he was trying to convince himself.

@@lavamatstudios more like he’s trying hard not to get canceled on Twitter

If I may point something out quickly - yes, I agree, they were calm and it's nice to watch that... But let's not be naïve, it helps that none of the speakers' fundamental rights, such as self-determination or physical integrity, were at stake in this discussion, let's never forget that.

lets be honest its because they are both sytraight males

Sadly no you did not watch a civil debate it was civil but it was not a debate One person was trying to acquire objective truth and trying to explain that to the other person The other person was trying to achieve confirmation of their predecited definition of what the universe should be and the way they want it to be Ben Shapiro did not have a debate his mind is made up his mind is not changed he is not willing to consider anything else except what is already made up in his mind at least that's the way he reads and comes across in this video He was not looking for a debate or discussion from Neil deGrassi he was looking for confirmation he was looking for Neil to say you're right Ben the way you see the universe is how it should be and we watch Ben jump around try to shift the goalpost tried to redefine words or limit the definition of words into a false dichotomy and try to pigeonhole Neil Degrassi into a corner so that he can say see I'm right it's not science. That's another interesting point there's no such thing as anything that's not science everything is science if you wish to understand something you just made it science You're dungeons and dragons role-playing game that's science you could do all kinds of science with that You're fiction fantasy soft p*** books you can do science over that You think the way the brain operates the way our operating system runs on the CPU inside of our skull the way we edit and alter our programming to run on that computer inside of our skull you think that's not science? You're trying to say it's not science because you want to be able to say well if it's not science then it's wrong. This was not a civil debate this was one guy trying to have a civil debate and one guy trying to get confirmation for his false dichotomy

Seems like Neil is afraid to commit to an opinion. When pressed for an opinion, he says “what does it matter” or “what’s your motivation?” Seems like a cop out

​@WildBillandFriends that's exactly what it is, he's a Hollywood TV show scientist, he must agree to promote transgender pedo and LGBTsq 😂

I think what he is saying is Why should someone else's gender matter? What's the motivation to care about someone's gender? He's saying it shouldn't be politically motivated. Legislation to restricts people's freedom shouldn't be the motivating factor. There have been females competing against and with males in sports like little league baseball, soccer, volleyball and even wrestling.

​@@WildBillandFriendsbecause he's smart enough and patriotic enough to know the basis of the inquiry is rooted in a political agenda to undermine the basic freedoms of others, and he's smart enough to dangle it out there to expose that agenda.

@@TheGarageBandSyndicate so be science denier…… if it’s politically correct ? ? ? 🤣🤣🤣

@@XVegeraX What? 😮

Let's see, centuries of men physically ruling others, and there were queens only because they were wives or daughters of kings in stable countries. Now that technology can be used to equalize physical differences to a certain extent, we should purposely throw away known physical facts? That's simply not a appropriate use of the new abilities afforded by technology

@@XVegeraX weird way to come out but go off.

@@XVegeraX you read that and instantly went to mens asses. Interesting 🤔

What does that even mean? We give a sh!t because these people with freedom to identify themselves as what they like (which infact is not a REAL thing) are passing down, more like, CONVINCING children who have no understanding of what is real or not. They can bloody well dwell wherever they want, but it gets dangerous when they infect others with unproven fact. I don't even know how most people are taking the words of Neil as a word of God. When infact what he is saying is ridiculously nonsensical. What does "Science can study more about it" mean? The studies have already been done, both physically and psychologically. What part of this problem exactly is he referring to be studied?

Or maybe he just doesn’t want to get cancelled. He obviously has no science to support his arguments so the smart thing is to dance around the topic or not answer any at all.

​@@LaSantaPatronaI think you misunderstood what science is. Science is observation of facts and data and making best inferences from them. Sometimes we do experiments to get more data. Science is not a scripture that everyone needs to follow. Transgender people are present, that is a fact. Now why they are present can be a research topic, TBH it's already being studied and may need more work, but putting a blindfolded on and acting like it's a lie is not scientific temperament.

​@@LaSantaPatronano, he is trying to not absolutely destroy Ben since he is on a tour promoting his book. He doesn't want to get cancelled by unintelligent backwards bigots for ridiculing someone so greatly deserving of it.

@@LaSantaPatrona You can ask scientific questions about gender, but there is no clear scientific test of gender. Biological sex can certainly be tested. In this discussion Ben is trying to say that because there is no scientific test, then it's meaningless - so the only option we have is biological sex as a stand in for gender, so no one gets support for deviating. Tyson is saying that because gender and biological sex are not the same thing, you can't limit or oppress those who deviate. I would rather live in the world where the oppression is limited and the support is not.

Kudos to Niel for keepin Ben under control

Usually ben just steamrolls over people and then his fan say he owned them. This was nice to see.

A hormonal equalized league would be one way to circumnavigate the differences between men and women. I know I would watch out of curiosity. Long-term Idk if it would be able to compete with mens sports but short-term it would be a hit.

Yes, and not 19-year-old college students this time...

@@coreyburke3493 That's because Neil is a scientist, and science is about speaking with logic--not feelings.

It's good to remember he is a person before he is a scientist.

@@TN-br9yl yes sir, but he made this personal, he had not respond as a scientist, even if it matters when u want to compite against a cheeta in a 100m run, they just said who cares do whatever u want, or what do u mean by that? Why u even care? That's ridiculous

Lol what a bunch of babies. Neil's point is that in a "libertarian" society, your gender identity doesn't matter and you can't even cope with how fucking ironic that is. Cope harder, cucks. Neil literally used the argument of an adult, to a malding child. "If it doesn't affect you (because it doesn't) then why do you care"

Yes. He is a person before he is a scientist. But he appears to believe in many aspects of the leftist agenda above objective facts.

Hahahah

I don’t care about anything unless someone says that gender is sex. That is not remotely scientific. They say that because they don’t have a thought behind that head and they blindly follow a book. I only get mad(or, offended) when people are wrong.

Neil was really beating everything Ben said, and imo clearly everything Ben was thinking of saying.

@@HellRaiser1454654 he wasn’t He’s trying so hard not to be cancelled

Ben looked awkward all the time cause he didn't want to slap him with facts in a brutal way he gave him space and just tried to close this interview asap cause u could see that he had respect for him before the interview started .

@@patrycjaolewicz5108 a true scientist knows when to say that they don't know and don't have the right answers yet because the right information hasn't been given.

@@TinyBearTim fr I could tell that

It's more like mr Tyson and mr Shapiro are in agreement but mr Tyson can't show it on camera , it's the subject of rhetoric which is the art of being persuasive which allows mr Tyson to get around answering direct questions but still be in relative agreement, the whole video was balancing act.

@@enoch3874 😐

@@enoch3874 Obviously Mr Tyson came "well prepared" to that interview with Shapiro! He knew his political views and did not want to align with Shapiro on some touchy subjects...

@@sergeayissi939 being that mr Tyson is a scientist (astrophysicist in particular) and sociology is regarded as not science in the typical view of it..its not obvious to me how you come to your conclusion . The reason I why sociology, I think, is viewed as the odd man out in the scientific community is because the interpersonal demention that's included allows for subjectivity to come in

@@enoch3874 Sure, but Shapiro is no scientist, he is political + he's far right! Tyson knew exactly where Shapiro wanted to take him and he politely declined the invitation to extremism...

P.S. this is coming from an autistic ginger. I’ve been called just about every variant of “retard” under the sun. But I don’t complain. I barely even take offends anymore. I embrace it. Because it is part of the compromise of living in a free society, and I value freedom and equality for all more than I value my own feelings not getting hurt.

This is the smartest comment I’ve seen so far. The way I see it with this community, they’re gonna have to learn to compromise just like EVERYONE else has done before them. Blacks are free from oppression and have the same rights as whites in this country for example, but to ask that all white people not to like them is never gonna happen and they just have to accept it and move on. I agree that trans people are humans and should enjoy basic rights just like the rest of us but absolutely nothing more. We shouldn’t have to suck up to them or learn their million genders or be obligated to refer to them as whatever gender they please. I say this as a lesbian myself who is tired of the bs and entitled behavior coming up across all these “minority groups”.

But responses to it when it is dangerous or hateful should not and is not freedom. And how people respond to others response is also free to be whatever if it is lawful

Exactly my thoughts. People can do whatever they want, I don't care. But the moment they start to force something like their pronouns on others they turn into oppressors.

This isn't a debate, It's a scientist talking to a media personality. There has to be an element of equity of standing in order to consider it a debate and the knowledge gap is massive between these two in regards to almost any scientific premise. It's interesting that these two are talking about a subject but they are not debating and you can tell he knows that.

@@hagifashion7513 my mistake. Ben Shapiro is a energetic speaker and can seem combative. Neil was also a bit more deliberate with his words than normal. Typically you get the sense he’s trying to be accurate, here he seemed like he wanted not to be misheard. Plus Ben kept jumping in there cutting Neil off. Those mannerisms made my mind go to debate. Plus they had differing views and they were arguing the merits and pitfalls of those views on an important discussion in today’s society.

Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson is an intellectual giant. What we witnessed here was not a debate, it was a lecture.

@@python-pyqt5982 He's only an intellectual giant in the realm of astronomy and astrophysics. He was having a lot of trouble answering most of these questions. This was no lecture, it was barely a discussion.

@@imsikc In your extremely twisted right-wing logic, a political commentator with a law degree knows more about science than a person who holds a PhD in Astrophysics.

That’s what I was thinking , so hard to watch

In Cosmos he used to herald the bravery of Galileo, who told the truth about scientific reality despite persecution and ultimately execution. And now Neil has a chance to fight against the new orthodoxy but instead he chooses to just stay out of the fight, and if pressed further then he just acquiesces to the “church” of the Left.

@@davidswanson5669 well said, I also think our time is a repeat of Ancient Greece in a lot of ways

what was he squirming around?

@@kiwiman358 fellas like you we call shite in the bucket

He's talking about gender, not biology

@@wgo523 low IQ

@@wgo523 😆😆😆😆😆🤣😆

@@relaxingsounds1386 are you that dumb? Even Ben in the video talked about gender as a social. Not biology, that was exactly one of his questions to Neil lmao

@@wgo523 A woman is defined as "female" in every dictionary ever written, so its a biological term.

No😂

One thing I have noticed watching Neil is he is really good at giving "Ted talk" style speeches. He is not very good when people question him.

He is clearly just afraid of being “canceled”

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@@amymartin8243 A lot of show and little of substance. Or another way of putting, I don't put much stock in what I say because I am not able to support it, but I can make a lot of money from being a puppet.

The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him. Prov 18:17

Yeah this was actually kind of hard to watch it was almost like not having him on to debate at all because he's giving him very vague non answers that circle around the real question Ben is asking, he knows men are men and women are women and men as women in sports DO have an unfair advantage he just doesn't want to be canceled which is wrong.

Honestly, idk why they keep pandering to those that think mediocrity is special when they probably don't follow their work. They'd probably have a larger audience if they stated truth over feelings

Yeah I’m pretty disappointed. Someone tell him Twitter is not real life

I noticed that, all the deflection is exhausting and unbearable

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Not exactly. Unless his platform is made up of pro-trans viewers.

People these days make everything so political that someone stating their opinion is now being labelled as not wanting to be cancelled 🤦

Well if you dont have the answer its better than saying bs

He's answering truthfully about the question directly not the broad implications that most people have pre conceived when it comes to hot button topics. Of course this is all purely the opinions of a astro physicist.

no you wanted your bigotry to be legitimatize by the science man and you’re upset he didn’t.

Because email unlike political figures does not claim to know answers to things that he does not.

@@logan8862 What bigotry? The bigotry that men are men and women are women? That bigotry? I’d rather be a “bigot” than a science denier like you.

Ye... mind blown.

Yeah.. thats insanity..

Almost like those crazy conspiracy theorists were right saying they don't use the scientific method anymore. 🤔

Wasn't NGT the one who said he cares for *objective* facts?

Why does your identity in society need to be matched with your genetic code? That seems pretty primitive, to be honest. What happens when technology advances to the point where people can just swap body parts whenever they want, or transfer their consciousness into another body? What if a man chooses to play as a woman in an extremely realistic virtual reality simulation?

Just like Hbomberguy and Professor Dave Explains. Or Michio Kaku, but to a lesser extend, sadly.

neil is highly educated in astrophysics and was groomed by carl sagan. he's one of the worlds most intelligent ppl right now. however i must point out.... neil is not a biologist or educated in genetics. i also believe neil did not want to stir the pot and be caught up in something he would consider a distraction to his career.

​@@ricklazio7923 As a curious guy and a man of science in general, Neil very likely has a better basic understanding of biology than lawyer Ben Shapiro. I do think it's interesting that many people respect psychologist Jordan Peterson's opinion on climate science or evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein's opinion's infectious disease (biology is a very wide field and these two are on opposite ends of the biology spectrum; they have a very loose connection). Better yet, many people seem to respect Tucker Carlson's opinions on infectious disease more than the vast majority of doctors and scientists that study it

​@@ricklazio7923 Also notice that Neil didn't say anything that is biologically false. He didn't really make any biological claims; he just approached it with curiosity and objectivity. He didn't say that XX people can magically become XY. He just said that we see some people presenting as a different gender than the one they were assigned at birth and that would be an interesting phenomenon to study

Tell that to the left that complains about Dave Chappelle’s special 😂

truly

The repetitiveness of this comment is deliciously redundant.

The puny brains of you Vaush fanboys can't muster anything but one sentence snark and vague, one-sentence dogmas. You're sad.

@@Dennis-nc3vw bro you say we only muster one word rebuttals yet in a video full of incredible points by a genuine scientist you came out thinking he was in the wrong. No matter what anyone says you'll just say they're either antifa or "scared of being cancelled by the left"

The fascists love Ben and his propaganda.

Please explain to me what argument ben made?

@@averypatrick5279 that's the point, he didn't make any so all the comments are about how tyson is "scared of the left" for expressing his opinion

​@@averypatrick5279 Well, at first he said "the left's understanding of gender is unscientific," then he had to back up to "well, okay, it's a social construct and therefore not designated by science per se, but they're still not biological women," and then when Neil addressed that line, it seems as though he just stopped engaging with the convo altogether. Essentially, his plan was to run through his regular talking points, but because deGrasse Tyson gave a nominal amount of pushback, these argument fell like a shitty house of cards (after all, Neil most likely isn't some sort of gender theorist or anything). And I think that's Clara's impression as well.

He didn't state any facts you little weasel. He said we shouldn't discuss the facts because they supposedly don't matter.

@@Dennis-nc3vw he quite literally said we should discuss them and research them. He said it literally three times

What did he say here that was un-libertarian?

Also interested

@@abacuswatches2230 he doesn't agree with someone else's choice so he must not be libertarian, ya know? Here I was, thinking I'm libertarian because I believe people should be free of government coercion. But apparently if I disagree with someone who makes stupid decisions or spouts a dumb ideology, I am not a real libertarian.

@@hunterhunter106 he doesn’t just disagree. He ascribes political prescriptions to shut down what he disagrees with. That’s authoritarian.

@@TrentonF505 how? What has he called for that's shutting them down?

Tarot is mainly used as a tool for prediction (as divination can basically just be a fancy word for prediction, which is what humans naturally do), if we're going to speak frankly without the spirituality behind it. It's less of trying to bring nonscientific stuff into reality and more trying to make sense of the world around us via a tool of picture cards. Even if it is just placebo, what's the harm in letting people have fun with things like that? Most people that use tarot or go into haunted buildings don't try and shove it down other people's throats (unless they're leftists). Human's naturally predict things and want to know more about the world around them. What's the harm in using tools for that insight?

Yes, a spectrum... a binary spectrum.

Trans people do not have any conflict with science

@@DekkarJr the science doesn't even call sex binary It's bimodal.

@@screamingopossum7809 But you don't base scientific facts based on what someone wants to do or not do. Science is SUPPOSED to be objective. Desires change literally on a whim. The basic scientific process/method is the establishment of repeatable (thus True) cause/effect. "Gender isn't Sex" is NOT a repeatable process. Everyone is born with a dingding or cooch (regardless of whether the plumbing works properly or not). Those are the options. No matter what someone WANTS doesn't change that.

Christ you Vaush fan boys are pathetic. The ultimate projectionists.

@@Dennis-nc3vw I’m kind of curious, even tho it seems impossible for you to have a civil conversation behind your seething teeth and maddened eyes. Did you watch his video?

@@Dennis-nc3vw sounds like something a projectionist would say. i say that as a reformed projectionist. aha!

They have moved from the denial stage to rage and anger.

@@Dennis-nc3vw if you think Ben came out looking good in this, you didnt watch the video.

The idea that people can actually lose a debate is kind of a problem

shapiro's gay, didn't you know that?

For Ben's comfort

Two of the best replies ever 💀

Thank you!!! 😂

It’s done when filming an over the shoulder view to keep both in the shot

Sociology is also a science.

@@ahuramazda980 but that wasn't the question. He asked a non sociological question, and got a sociological answer. That's the problem.

@@ahuramazda980 from the current place sociology is in, we can safely assert that it's not a science. James Lindsey affair has proved it.

Correct me if I’m wrong but all sociologists do is connect the dots on stuff that science has proved to be true.

Its not about that, its about being nice to other people

Neil said that we should research it but that research shouldn't result in the restriction of the rights and civil liberties of trans peopel

The point Neil was trying to make is that your feelings about trans people, whether good or bad, don't matter in a free society. Cause regardless of whether it's scientific fact or not, you should be able to do what you want. I thought republicans were all about freedom? Lol

N G-T is 100% fraud clown

I think Ben hit just as hard as he needed to to get NDT to express his ambivalence on the topic. NDT doesn't feel backed into a corner yet, and it could be to his detriment. Either way, he's clearly not a thought leader in this debate, which is an arguably acceptable position, and Ben got that out of him.

To respond to your first point, NDT's opinion was that people like Ben, who claim to be libertarian, should actually approach trans issues by first asking why they care. Why does Ben care so much what pronouns a person uses? Why does he care if someone who identifies as male wears a dress? The argument here is that, beyond his own prejudices about those things, he has no actual reason to care because those other people just want to exist. Trans issues are hardly issues once people like Ben Shapiro just live and let live.

Ben: biology exists so we have to protect children from them with legislation so our kids don't learn to be nice to trans people, that would be bad somehow. I can't say how. Neil: people should be allowed to express themselves however they want, why do you even care? Comments: Neil is a fake scientist! Trans people: we know all about biology and don't deny any science, please leave us alone

@@wgo523 You do NOT know all trans people! Why do you think you can talk for all of these individuals? The legit one's want to be left alone. The narcissistic million-gender, self ID people, like that one calling himself trans-racial, make it harder for real trans people, to be taken seriously. I bet you don't accept trans people like Blaire White. There are more than you think. BTW, nice strawman! Shapiro has never said that children should be mean to trans people. Stop, spewing nonsense!

@@wgo523 Get a life

@@wgo523 No one takes issue with how you choose to live your life, we live in a free country and you can do as you wish. The problem is it becomes an issue not of freedom when you expect others to participate in your lifestyle, which is exactly what trans people are doing when they demand/compel others to use their preferred pronouns. If a Muslim for example doesn’t believe in your concept of gender roles and you compel him to use your pronouns, he is not the one that is intolerant of your transgenderism, it’s you that’s intolerant if his religion.

NDT: I'm just another idiot afraid from the left canceling people. Because I'm a Coward. And I said "I don't care" for millions of times.

they’re not, no matter what you change you will never be able to transition to a biological male/female. though, that’s not to say that people can’t be trans, but you can’t change your biological gender

He's terrified of giving a direct answer, just like all people who make boatloads of money by encouraging societal lies....to sum it up.... He don't wanna be cancelled

LMFAO!!!! FAAAACTS!!!

Does that really matter to you that much. If it really bothers you that much go live in a place that dosent have transgender people like Iran. Personally I like the freedom we have in America that every individual can find self fulfillment in the own way.

Why does it matter ? Who are you harming? This is the best argument you’ll ever hear. You all are just mad he’s articulate hahaha

This was amazing to watch especially when your high out of your mind, one genius put his efforts and interests into astrophysics and physics and the other put his genius into political science and statistics.

Minute physics immovable object vs unstoppable force

The joker

@@comradesusiwolf1599 The *Jokester

@@Ahwits He's my favorite enemy of the Human Bat.

He admitted they don't use the scientific method in his field. They just speculate with zero evidence and we are expected to believe it just because they said it.

Lmao looks like yall never took a high school level science class. You rarely 'prove' things in science, ya support it therefore a lot isnt objective.

Lost respect for NDT. Don't even want to watch absolutely anything from him any further. Bummer.

He likes his paychecks more than he likes the truth of science

"Mr. Science" JUST WILLINGLY BLASPHEMED SCIENCE and also made himself a hypocrite!

Anyway, that doesn't change the fact that transwoman are man who IDENTIFY as women. A real woman (a female one) doesn't need to identify as women she's already one

But but FACTS... except when I don't like them! :(

Factual Alternative Conservative Truth Science

There's nothing factual NDT made. He tried to divert the issue by asking what's the purpose of determining if it's biological. Which is not the topic being asked.

Ah Ben Shapiro the harbinger of data and science meanwhile he wears a funny hat because he follows a religion with miracles that are literally scientifically unexplainable. Ben "Logicman" Shapiro.

@@awesome395 link me the time stamp

Bill Nye (and Neil) was involved in a Veritasium video recently where a prof bet $10K that Veritasium was wrong about something (which he wasn't). The video, at first, showed how Bill Nye wrote an email after witnessing the signing of the $10K bet that, perhaps, he had been too excited by Veritasium's previous video and that he now thought that Veritasium was probably wrong (again, he wasn't, as the video shows here on KZfaq). I watched the video again after a week to show someone and, lo and behold, that part of the video had been edited-out/removed. BILL NYE COULDN'T HAVE IT KNOWN THAT HE WAS WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING. Ego above science. We see this with Neil as well.. it's kinda fucking sad.

Is that an ERB reference? 🌚

@@baghead4548 Bill Nye is a weakling

@@babba632 what a shame. I really liked watching Bill Nye the Science Guy when I was a kid.

@@baghead4548 when I saw Bill Nye get destroyed by Ken Ham in the Creation Debate, then Mr. Ham walked Bill through the museum to show and teach him about REAL science.... Well, I was done with Mr. Nye. When Tyson spouts the same exact tired, beat up arguments that dissemble the wisdom entailed in the message, that Bill Nye used... I realize that NYE and TYSON must have graduated from the same school of science... Wherever THAT may be. I really want to check these dudes credentials, now that I think about it. Lacking the ability to hold a decent, sense-filled conversation is a HUGE problem and I am surprised that Ben even let this guy on the stage. Honestly.

Haha, true!

Ok do u believe in a god? Because if so science doesn’t care about your feelings.

@@ProudCommie Idk why people think that God (at least the Judeo-Christian God) and science are incompatible.... The most influential scientist and mathematician*, Isaac Newton, was a devout believer and used his faith to understand and explore the world around him. To suggest that religion and science are competing forces is absurd.

IMMEDIATE ROAST BAAAMMMM

Newton didn’t have today’s technology and advancements in science to figure otherwise, he was closer to a deist, he also didn’t believe in the holy trinity or jesus was god. religion and science are as compatible as reason and faith, no compatibility at all.

Seriously.

That reminds me of the time Joe Rogan almost slapped the shit out of him during a podcast for doing that every two seconds.

Who?

@@axeliosstonewall6235 beat me to it

Ya him

Well yes, because you were tricked into believing that someone is something that they are actually not.

@@JavierCespedes90 which virtually never happens. and in the rare cases it does, the trans community shuns those people. and when it does, sure you have a right to be upset with that person. does that mean we should let that shape legislation that would affect the rest of the community? hell no. this is a free country. we judge individuals for their actions. you can't prosecute an entire demographic because of the actions of some. otherwise we'd be banning Christianity because of the statistical correlation between priests and pedophilia lol.

@@JavierCespedes90i think you only think you’re tricked because you think transgender is an adjective term rather than an verb to describe someone’s experience in life. someone is not trans, they are a woman or a man (whatever they transitioned to). they are not trans, but they have transitioned. i hope that made sense idk how to really word it but this kind of thinking really changed my view on transgender and everything. overall, gender is a total made up thing and overall it is genuinely how we express ourselves. if they were extremely feminine, had a feminine personality, and had the surgery, would you have an issue ? i do completely also understand where you’re coming from, as for a period of time i didn’t really think i would date someone who was trans. but i think the idea of being “tricked” stems from a false idea on what trans people are that i often see

@@brizzlintea346 You cant transition to the opposite sex, a "trans woman" is actually a mutilated and deformed man, no other way to see it, sorry.

Here's a couple more that Neil the village idiot missed -Mothers day and fathers day, tampons, contraception pill, abortion, pregnancies,

Also, people should be free in a free country, he claims. So why can't I freely use correct pronouns instead of being forced to use the woke pronouns _demanded_ by the transgender community? This whole movement is a denial of freedoms.

I just don't get how they can say my daughter and I do not deserve penis free spaces. Or that my son must share his space with girls. He's a teenage boy. I mean c'mon. Those transboys/men are in danger.

@@PJRayment psh you call this country free why can't I use the n word to my coworkers without getting fired.

@@overshottyler a private organization imposes it's own rules. Not the same as a government

@Clippy This kind of civilized debate conversation is hardly common these days.

@@Keke_Poutri honestly it's not rare like you make it out to be lol

@@Keke_Poutri tbf it's hardly common to find two people with their level of education.

Indeed, and with the way that Neil was able to absolutely shred and obliterate each of Ben’s points, it should show people that the way to respond when confronted with Republican propaganda is to use the Socratic method. Ask questions to get them to think for themselves and hopefully shift their perspective, don’t try to offend them and polarize them even more

@@Keke_Poutri because theres one side that's literally trying to live, and the other side thats literally trying to erase all minorities and create an ethnostate.

U spelt “sex” wrong, I’ll let it pass from an illiterate Tory

We used to segregate voting rights by gender, too.

Now that is not true prisons are men move into female housing. Represent women at the Olympics...

If sports weren't segregated by gender, we'd only have men's sports.

Biologist can tell that gender is not strictly male or female so nice try

Freedom* twat

No. He's saying you shouldn't apply science to cause harm. His argument that politics shouldn't use science to remove constitutional freedoms is weak, as politicians shouldn't use anything to remove constitutional freedoms. However I bet he can provide more examples where 'science' of some sort has been used to remove freedoms causing genuine harm.

He never said that

No he isn't, how the fuck did you come to that conclusion. He's saying that science shouldn't at all dictate someone civil or human rights. He literally clarifies that at the end.

@@leonais1 The science used to create the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima removed a lot of freedom from the people it killed. No one cares what a transgender furry does in their spare time. People object to being forced at gunpoint by the government to use their fantasy language.

He always seemed more interested in mocking things, than truth, from what I saw. Very intelligent of course but super proud of the fact

He knows instinctively what fear is and how to avoid it like a early soviet researcher

Joe Browser, exactly! He is vehemently against creationism being taught (or even embraced) in any context, but teaching or embracing the idea that men and women are interchangeable and it's "who gives a shit."

Because he's not courageous enough. Maybe some Christians for him are idiots for believing in God. But he's not as courageous as them. Hypocrite

I'd say Niel isn't even that smart. He denies the first law of science, which is: you can't create something from nothing. In order for something to exist, something had to create it or manifest it. Denies creationism but doesn't actually believe in science, sounds like a dumb man to me.

@Jeremy Dionisio You point is ALMOST all the way there but the "science is the future may also change" is where you lost me because that's too much like that (male) transgender mother, whose infant (birthed by his (female) transgender husband is latching but not finding breast milk (naturally) despite the "mom" hoping that will change soon. Sorry Jeremy but hundreds, if not thousands or years of science shouldn't be washed away exactly for reasons like this. The male "mother", if properly informed, should know that at no point EVER will she be able to produce breast milk because she is ACTUALLY a he. Otherwise I, too, kinda don't care what people do, who they are, etc...but (to Shapiro's point) when the categorically true science behind everything starts getting swept under the rug for social appeasement...I simply can't go there as I think that is reckless.

@Jeremy Dionisio No anger on this from me. Let them be whatever gender they want to be. But explain how it's fair to biological women to have a biological man-now-turned-into a "woman" compete against them in sports. You have a daughter?

@Jeremy Dionisio How about Chess?

@Jeremy Dionisio they have a sport that allows all genders to compete equally: Esports. Maybe that’s the future?

@Jeremy Dionisio Who is attacking them for existing? Funny how mere criticizm all of the sudden becomes and "attack" and this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. MAYBE men will evolve to be able to produce milk but seeing how that hasn't happened once yet in thousands of years...why pretend it may happen any minute? There is more evidence of evolution pushing us towards twelve fingers/twelve toes (as babies with this "defect" are increasing in number) but for someone to believe they are a women (when really a man) to the extent that they believe they WILL be able to produce breast milk is as sad as it is laughable...and because people like you perpetuate the "maybe" instead of the FAR more likely and entirely science-based "don't count on it". There is a human infant in the middle of this, don't forget...one whose parents refuse to complete a birth certificate for because they would have to list the "father" as the (in reality) natural mother. It's a prime example of people living in la-la land to a VERY unhealthy extent, cheered on by folks (presumably like yourself) who would rather see them try and fail and try and fail and try and fail - with a VERY confused infant at the center of it all - than step in and say "listen, I know you don't want to hear this but, biologically, you won't be able to produce milk. As such it would be better for you and the baby to stop pretending otherwise". I fail to see the problem with that. By comparison, I see a MUCH bigger problem with society just going along with their fantasy as to not hurt their feelings. As someone who doesn't have the luxury to pretend things that aren't true, I don't mind transgenders one bit but I do think their attempts to wish away their anatomy, biology and all the science behind it in favor of living in a dream world - and expecting everyone around them to bend to their fantasy - is where I draw the line. I have a transgender person in my family and OF COURSE I refer to him as her...but that's out of courtesy/respect. I think if I saw her crying because, no matter how hard her and her mate have tried, she simply CANNOT get pregnant, I'd say someone REALLY ought to talk to her and bring her back to Earth. Sorry if my realism conflicts with your optimism but, until I see ANY evidence of men POSSIBLY being able to produce milk, I'm not holding my breath and will continue to be concerned for a child being raised in those conditions. As for sports, my solution would be three leagues, basically: One all biological men, one all biological women and one that caters to both/anyone in between. I don't like your idea of pitting them all together because in doing so, you've basically eliminated a fair playing field for just women and are essentially robbing them of chances for scholarships, sponsorships, etc...and for what? So that biological men-turned-women can crush every women's record in existence? If so then I can only assume you believe that men are better at being women than actual women! ;) As for "within a year, I 100% believe that we should see a growing number of new gender being born". Really? Wanna bet? Because that would be the safest bet I would have ever made in my life and even more evidence of your delusion. I don't disagree that "life finds a way" and "nothing stays forever" but you seem to think that evolution is going to move at the speed of social change and I'll bet every penny I have that you are wrong.

He also seemed to talk incredibly slowly, making very sure to not say anything that could offend the extreme leftist overlords.

he can still get canceled

Look at his debates from years ago. He's the same. Dumb then, dumb now.

He’s just trying not to get cancelled. He’s not a politician or anybody that is supposed to be good at debate. He’s just trying to protect his career. Whether or not he even agreed with Ben in the first place he would have said the same thing.

@STALIN stalin wouldn't support them, he'd send them to Gulag

agreed, seems like hes trying to stay moderate and not committing to either side. prob to not lose following

Facts

couldn't agree more. ppl should see right through his pseudo-intellectualism. try watching him on mute.... all that knowledge and he denies the existence of a creator or at the very least intelligent design... tells you a lot about him.

@@tranquilforest8927 he's a paid actor.

Yeah, and he SHOULD because he is a science educator to the public which is extremely important giving people the perspective of scientists - public image matters to that goal and could be detrimental if it went way south.

@Riki P. my comments were too vague for you to jump to such conclusions, you have no idea what I'm about. There is an undeniable natural law in science, there are also always exceptions to the rules, Mr. Shapiro was attempting to have a scientific discussion about natural law with a scientist, before getting into specifics of exceptions.

@Riki P. Then why comment at all if you understand my pov of their discussion

Yes, when someone you consider smart disagrees with your opinion it means that they are afraid of being cancelled. Controversial take - Maybe Neil is telling the truth! OMG, so crazy!

@@itsmepappiepaper9704 the facts don't care about my opinion or any one else's

He clearly laid out his position. Don't call him scared because it's one you don't agree with and thinks he _secretly_ holds another. Speculation is not a good look.

Neil was being dishonest to not offend anyone I’m certain that he really does not want people attacking him for an oppinion

To be fair to Neil he's not a biologist let alone an evolutionary biologist.

yep he,s a fraud

Neil Disgrace Tyson is not a scientist, he is merely an actor. A charlatan.

That's not what happened a

Trans people exist

@@4wierdosdancing Sadly

lol, you guys are sad

@HS boohoo they contained a level of nuance that Shapiro’s audience doesn’t seem to be able to parse, though I think Ben understood him just fine yet continues to roll with the same narrative anyway.