I'm all here for it

well they did lose the game because of LS, so...

​@@steauafan4ever .....? Did we watch the same video??

@@steauafan4ever Gameplay-wise sure, LS can be at fault for getting caught out in that last teamfight. But mental or emotion-wise, any person that have a decent or average mental state would already be tilted out of their minds with those chat messages so you can't really put all the blame to LS. Props to that Kai'sa that's actually trying to fix the mood of the team, but surely the other players were tilted or somewhat annoyed that they were on a winning game state but a few blunders here and there caused the game to be lost out of their control.

​@Psyannn Gameplay-wise TFBlade was still in the wrong. He was dunning the game down for almost the entirety of the game. LS making 1 gameplay mistake doesn't put the result of the game on him just because it resulted in the immediate loss (plus the fact that that "mistake" shouldn't have even cost them the game at all, as the fight was winning anyways)

@@SweatIRL ye I do agree with that. TF Blade did certainty contributed to a lot of factors that led to that game to be lost in an instant and I'm not really defending the man (or manchild as I would better describe it). It's just weird that a lot of people still discredit LS despite that 'one' mistake and keeps forgetting that there are also 3 other players in that (blue) team made blunders and mistakes (probably because of tilt) that led the last teamfight unfavorable for them. Would have been fine indeed if TF didn't commit into fighting Ashe and Kai'sa not ulting in between 3 people.

Nemesis the most emotional human being

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well the drag spawns in 30s lets say they need 8s to take the drag and with recall and walking there it would still be gone. Meaning they would have to tp to save it. So Agurins argumetn is still valid that red side can engage while jax tps top and naafiri can tp making it a 4v5 around drag pit.

@@ulup212 but he's saying tp is correct when naafiri can tp to drag and its 5v4 but if u dont tp til drag is taken she either gets 1 tower and lil bit of dmg on 2nd or just take 1 and tp bot for 5v5. tping top doesn't do anything but delay 2hit tower from dying and giving drag cus naafiri has tp adv to make it 5v4

@@ulup212 after drake or even at start of drake, if it is secured, he can tp, which means in 26 seconds he would have been top with tp

nah bro you know you could work at a donut shop and actually be paid a wage to do that amount of glazing

Sure, bro. You're better than Agurin 💯

For sure it is better than a 1st tower top. But it is still one single infernal, only 2nd drake for both teams, no win con or anything else. In Agurin mind they would have took 2 towers, if they were actually able to take 2 towers (which they are def not able to), then he would have been right to def top. That drake value is low, but that tower value is even lower. Not only because of its actual gold value, but becasue of how low hp it is. Still, both obj are def low value in this given moment.

@@midnightbelle4037 Homie really hit the "ok but I can say a name" and won the argument that's crazy

@@ariex0a I think it's pointing out the fact that some random youtube comment thinking they know better than a rank 1 jungler on EUW and Korea lol

@@midnightbelle4037If Bwipo said those exact same words all of a sudden now it’s correct?

More like 7v3 with how tfblade and thresh baited their team to be cc locked in front of ashe auto range

think it's just mainly his overestimation of naafiri's tower dmg

is everyone deaf, he multiple times said that he needed to be top in the first place and then tp to dragon

@@jojobetzler6308 no one is in disagreements with that fact. Him tping top to try and salvage his shitty macro decision is still unbelievably int

@@qiluah this. @jojobetzler6308

​​@@jojobetzler6308 Jayce should've been top in the first place which is exactly what LS and Tenacity were saying in the vod too. Agurin just missed this. He would agree with what LS and Tenacity said most likely in full.

This is why only rare Challenger players succeed in pro play. Most of them spam a few champions to get to Challenger.

Are you talking about agurin or tfblade here?

@@0O7 TF probably.

@@0O7 obviously tf blade cause hes baby raging but agurins explanation of why he thought jax should tp made zero sense

@@melvinthetoad4109 yeah ok i agree with you. I also didnt quite understand what agurin was saying about the tp top. Usually he is really smart macro wise

your calculations are off Ivern and thresh dont care about infernal meaning its 1000 gold value for the drake. Naafiri gets the turret + another wave + 2nd turret + 2 camps (300 + 200+ 550 + 100 = 1150) and yes, 2nd turret would fall, the drake would be up only after 20 seconds, and it would only be finished earliest like 10-15 seconds, could be longer if the team intercepts (and tp from team would be delayed as well to defend tier 2) for an ad champ its easy to take a tier 2 after 35 seconds or naafiri gets the 1st turret + a teamfight 4vs5 because jax/jayce have to tp to top to defend the 2nd turret if Jayce tp's the fight is lost probably 1-3 deaths there is a slight chance for it to end even if jax tp's (which is/isnt a loss depending on who gets drake) also it seems you dont listen very well Agurin says "he has to tp, and they have to GIVE UP dragon" because he knows that the tp play from naafiri would happen and its a 4vs5

@@animevolution880 TF blade can recall if Naafiri pass 2 wave which make him have time to cover if Naafiri want 2 turet. People do that all the time. No way Naafiri get that 2 turet with 1-2 wave, need 3 wave which then spawn 30 sec. Ivern and thresh both does dmg, stop with excuse. "also it seems you dont listen very well Agurin says "he has to tp, and they have to GIVE UP dragon" because he knows that the tp play from naafiri would happen and its a 4vs5" ? What? You dont read well, where did i mention regarding that. Agurin have to give up drake becuase Naafiri would tp, them having 1 man advantage for red team 5v4, Blue side would loose teamfight so they forfeit drake. Drake is more valuable then first turet. No one tps there. I think he tpd there because tilted. No pro will tp there to, you only tp there if drake is not up, and want to catch big wave aswell pressure 2 turet for then like baron/herald, vision top side. Thats a bad TP, could risk loosing drake aswell future baron cause no tp when side laning.

@@animevolution880Naafiri can't get 2nd tower by that timing and even if she attempts to then it's possible for a tp by that time as Naafiri can't effect drake by that time, not to mention if Naafiri tp's drake it can lead to 4 deaths + drake which is a far worse trade

your calculations are off Ivern and thresh dont care about infernal meaning its 1000 gold value for the drake. Naafiri gets the turret + another wave + 2nd turret + 2 camps (300 + 200+ 550 + 100 = 1150) and yes, 2nd turret would fall, the drake would be up only after 20 seconds, and it would only be finished earliest like 10-15 seconds, could be longer if the team intercepts (and tp from team would be delayed as well to defend tier 2) for an ad champ its easy to take a tier 2 after 35 seconds or naafiri gets the 1st turret + a teamfight 4vs5 because jax/jayce have to tp to top to defend the 2nd turret if Jayce tp's the fight is lost probably 1-3 deaths there is a slight chance for it to end even if jax tp's (which is/isnt a loss depending on who gets drake) also it seems you dont listen very well Agurin says "he has to tp, and they have to GIVE UP dragon" because he knows that the tp play from naafiri would happen and its a 4vs5

@@not4254 Dude just copy pasted, on alt ac or something cringe xD

he is pure ego dog, nothing new

When it comes to soloq why the fuck would I ever listen to Ls? he is hardstuck master with afk champs while tfblade got rank3 korea? How can you be so dogshit biased and think that ls knows better than tfblade

He just abuses broken champs like Jax since he mechanically plays really well and then stomp lane

Ls is worse

​@@billybob4159probably a worse soloQ player, but in terms of game knowledge he's pretty good; I guess helping with Korean scrims helps with that.

they would lose one tower max, jax can just recall and catch the top wave at t2.

50 sec you dont need to stay the full duration for drake and then you tp, which is not enough time for a nafirri to do more than one tower and she will just push in the other wave into tier 2 and reset cause she will max half of the tier 2s hp which is a waste of time, she never gets that tier 2 you can go test it out in practice tool, and they dont get mid tier 1 cause they can actually protect it depending on what the enemy team is doing, if the enemy team completely gives up on drake then you dont need 5 people on drake and can leave it early, if they dont well then they wont be hitting tier 1, its not like the enemy team is playing some kind of poke comp that makes it so ashe can hit tower while others zone.

@@julose2678 it also doesn't take anywhere close to 40 sec to do drake with the whole team lol wtf. more like 10-15 sec

@@2FadeMusic drake spawns in 40 thats why i wrote 50 sec, and when i mean 50 sec i mean thats how long it takes with recall added as well.

playing for years, you should notice macro patterns that work and dont work

want flawed if blade done it earlier like wht he said , but at that point its already too late.

@@pelitasenja7478 as I said, if tfblade tps top early and walks to drake he's facechecking blind. If he walks top and tps bot it's the same scenario, top tower's gone anyways at that hp.

Naafiri can also just answer the tp top with her own tp to drake and its a guaranteed loss

@@danielliang9266 why would he need to tp , he can jst walk to top frm base early. but this only 'if' he do this early .

@@danielliang9266 at that stage he can facecheck and be completely fine unless theres 4 people?

I mean it's not an objective discussion at all when there is a clear answer that one decision is the right one or at least better. And for the best players it's very obvious too

Its just different priorities. Agurin prefers to make sure that they dont lose total control over the top lane while nemesis prefers to play for the scaling drake. And right now, agurin is the better player and he still is just showing what he thinks about the situation (not saying someone's idea is stupid).

@@Euu_-tc6hz yea but its so dumb to think that nafiri taking that t1 turrents snowballs into losing 3 tower and map control when the infernal was uncontested and jayce and jax can defend t2 if needed

@@AndBlood12 but if their team gives up drake they can force the push with all team

@@Euu_-tc6hz not all team... zac and alistar would join nafiri, and zac and allistar DONT take towers... so it wouldnt really make any difference

Tarzaned and LS have a mutual relationship. When "Tarzaned" flames it isn't a genuine hatred towards someone at times. You can see him flame the hell out of Dantes but they have the best friendship. Also Asians tend to be perfectionists in general. Persians are considered asians so it aligns together.

@@itsed5164 I’ve watched tarzaned for years same with LS. It’s not about someone’s race making them a perfectionist. That’s stereotypical and can be taken as racism by some. What you said as well can be taken as racism and stereotypical. There are millions of people from Asian descent who 100% are not perfectionist. What I’m saying is Tarzanned made a dumb ass take. Doesn’t matter who he is friends with

@@starteck11 As a Korean I have every right to say that Asians are perfectionists. Even if it is racist to a degree, stereotypes are true to an extent. A good portion of Asians are perfectionists.

@@itsed5164 okay so do you think a perfectionist would just keep running it down in solo q then? Like wtf is your reply? Idc what race you are and you’re right some stereotypes are racist because, they are “racist stereotypes “ you dumbass. Also I never said shit on if you have individual rights or not. Making racist remarks and statements is just ignorant and stupid.

@@starteck11 There is levels to racism, this statement from Tarzaned is a very low level that was intended mostly as a joke as he was high as he stated prior. Go to a comedy club and you'll see higher levels of comedic racism than that every night. Grow a pair.

like you said, he said the tp "fixes", but nemesis and LS says it makes it worse

@@biveofhalo well if u think about leadwise the tp is actually the correct play short term drake wise its not depends what u go for.

??? The only time hindsight analysis is super cringe is when people are trying to prove that they are better than the players in question. The majority of chat is not trying to say that. We understand that these players are better, and the upper hand of hindsight analysis IS the reason we’re able to have a say at all. We are simply trying to decide who was right or wrong in the scenario. And this is similar to mathematics where there is a definitive answer and is testable. Anyone could set up the scenario in a test league game and see how long it would take nafiiri to take the T2 for example. You have this idea that unless someone is the best player they aren’t allowed an opinion even if it logically makes full sense. Please face reality.

@@Laine_SH rly cringe comment. try to stop being a pseud and face reality

and im indifferent to tfb btw, bust its just the nature of tilted players that are addicted to the game. (and blade was wrong in regards to the tp and mid plays)

It's pretty basic macro though, the correct answer was obvious in all the scenarios.

EVEN IF nafiiri was something like a triforce trundle and could take T2 fast. You still could always just have jax back with 30s til drag and catch wave in front of t2, and still have the ability to match enemy top TP to drag contest IF they do so.

@@Laine_SH that seams like the best option but drake is overrated in solo que 100% its more of a diff in pro games as we saw at the end of this game

@@damiana3018 drake stacking being overrated is just wrong. And also the result of this game is mainly due to infighting and constant typing. There was also a large adc diff. Not to mention towers, especially T1 towers are considered standing gold, which is econ that will eventually go to the enemy team anyway. Giving drag for a tower that will eventually be destroyed anyway makes no sense.

@@damiana3018 drake is underrated, there have been a shit ton of games that have be thrown from greeding for kills and towers over getting drakes

I hope he sees this bro

Bro, everyone in korea hates tfblade, thats why he just got banned because he is just perm toxic. No one in korea even knows who tfblade is, they just know he is a toxic streamer

unfortunate that because you aren't good enough to judge yourself who is in the wrong in any of these clips, you just resort to looking at both party's peak rank in korea and decide off that who's the better player. Epitome of shallow thinking

@@daworstaran260 i have my opinion but im Gold 2 so i assume he knows better(witch is fine since i play every once in a while)im not a stupid moron like everyone today who think they know better then Doctors ,Scientists and that includes League.I am aware that i don't understand everything unlike you dumb Mfrs who think they get it all but in reallity are ignorrant af

Korea has never hated any personality more than TFBlade.

70 years ago men of the world were fighting for the soul of the human race. Now they cry over other people's opinion. Pffft.

if only you had a point. pfff.@@midnightbelle4037