Collective West OBSESSION with Putin Serves A Clear Purpose | Katrina vanden Heuvel

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Neutrality Studies

3 ай бұрын

Putin = Trump = Hitler = The Devil. Easy! Why don't you get it, you Putin-Apologist! The Russians must pay you to say this! (This = anything sensible about the NATO-Russia conflict and the Ukraine proxy war).
While this simplistic and infantile way of reasoning is on the one hand clearly a psychological outgrowth of the logic of war that can colonise the brains of even the smartest intellectuals and turn them into bloodthirsty warmongers, this line of argument that has been pushed at least since 2016-since Trump so dramatically beat Neocon-in-Chief Hillary Clinton-also serves as a convenient excuse for all and any domestic failures in Collective West countries. In case of troubles, just blame Putin. The devil in the Kremlin will make all your sorrows go away.
The dynamic of mass-psychology in the West has reached a perverse level at which not only advocacy for deescalation is blamed as an act of treason, but the decrepit state of domestic economies is pinned on the enemy, which only reinforces calls for the 'necessity of fighting' the imaginary devil at the gates of the shining city on the hill. But the obsession goes even further than that...
This is part 2 of an interview with Katrina vanden Heuvel. (Part 1 here: • How Neocons, Neolibs, ... )
Katrina vanden Heuvel is an icon of US journalism and publishing. She was for decades the editor in chief and a pillar of the progressive magazine “The Nation”. As such, she was pivotal in giving alternative voices a place to speak, especially when it came to US involvements in wars. I consider her and her late husband Stephen F. Cohen as giants of US public peace work and realism in international relations. Katrina has been writing about US domestic and foreign policy for 40 years and she is also a member of the American Committee for US-Russia Accord, that has for many years been pushing for better relations between Washington and Moscow.

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@Nine-Signs
@Nine-Signs 3 ай бұрын
"Even Henry Kissinger-I think it was in March 2014 in The Washington Post-wrote this line: 'The demonization of Putin is not a policy. It's an alibi for not having a policy.' And then I wrote in reply to that: That's right, but it’s much worse than that, because it's also that the demonization of Putin is an obstacle to thinking rationally, having a rational discourse or debate about American national security. And it’s not just this catastrophe in Ukraine and the new Cold War; it's from there to Syria to Afghanistan, to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, to fighting global terrorism. The demonization of Putin excludes a partner in the Kremlin that the U.S. needs, no matter who sits there." - Stephen F. Cohen.
@Alex-lg6nz
@Alex-lg6nz 3 ай бұрын
I don't see how anyone can still claim it's the new cold war, since it's obvious that one of the combatants faked their agreement to end the original cold war.
@monash4250
@monash4250 3 ай бұрын
Fighting global terrorism? Maybe stop doing it.
@piotr5338
@piotr5338 3 ай бұрын
Imperium has to have enemies .There must be excuses for imperial wars, for incurring enormous costs, for explaining one's information, that innocent people are dying all over the world out of simple greed. America, don't kill us - the rest of the world 😢😢😢
@louise_rose
@louise_rose 3 ай бұрын
The basic NATO narrative of the Ukraine war looks like this: Putin = Hitler (and Stalin, before and after WW2) 'Zelensky = Churchill NATO = Roosevelt This is an obvious simplification even of WW2 in Europe, but the supposed parallels between the two conflicts have been milked to no end during the ongoing war, to hide all the very real differences. (It's also plain that Kiev's so-called 10pt peace plan is mostly built on a combo of how Germany was treated after WW1 and after WW2).
@danielhutchinson6604
@danielhutchinson6604 2 ай бұрын
As Americans begin to question the "Defense Budget", we may wonder what there is to defend? The USA used up domestic supplies of resources to create profits. After profits were drained from the resources, business slowed. Then the Infrastructure was delivered to Colonies to exploit their resources. It worked for the British Empire. The Spanish and French as well as Dutch used the colonial Exploitation to embellish their lifestyles too..... The US Empire has disguised itself as a Policeman. It might symbolize a Crooked Cop but it has been increasing the money available to threaten other Nations, so they give up resources. The Nature of Colonial Empires is pretty obvious, the USA seems to be just changing the names of the aggression, to suit their image. The Empire seems to have died in 2014 when the New Development Bank announced their Loan Program? The Colonies all began to head for the BRICS Wall. The Supply Chain is now hidden behind that BRICS Wall. The G-7 Nations Economic status seems to have run into that Wall, and crashed. The use of Fiat Currency seems to have prevented them from announcing the end?
@hollywood5274
@hollywood5274 3 ай бұрын
We are not obsessed with Putin! We admire the way he runs his country! Russia for Russians and no traitors and woke people!
@andrewackerley9985
@andrewackerley9985 3 ай бұрын
Putin fan-boy
@TrickShepherd
@TrickShepherd 3 ай бұрын
@@andrewackerley9985 Biden is a humiliating embarrassment.
@romeozecevic9623
@romeozecevic9623 3 ай бұрын
You are right
@Davidwasghostedbyutube
@Davidwasghostedbyutube 3 ай бұрын
@@andrewackerley9985. If it’s evil, democrats love it! Sodomy, against God’s Chosen People, choice to take new life, disrespect our country and veterans, destroy our economy, destroy our country, teach children how to perform homosexual acts with grownups… -did I leave anything out? Would you like to add anything -democrat?!!
@romanbrandle319
@romanbrandle319 3 ай бұрын
The opposite of woke is intolerant, don't make assumptions about Russians.
@bitsbobs8613
@bitsbobs8613 3 ай бұрын
Trump and Putin are the opposite, Putin is a president that makes his own decisions and Trump did what he was told , Putin is calm and articulate Trump is hot headed and immature
@TrickShepherd
@TrickShepherd 3 ай бұрын
Trump is his own man unlike Biden. Biden is manipulated (read puppet) and is even guided walking.
@Davidwasghostedbyutube
@Davidwasghostedbyutube 3 ай бұрын
Completely wrong but Trump was elected to represent us and not himself; but he still looks it over from all sides before doing it. I prefer that he did instead of just obeying the Easter bunny or whatever a Kenyan sodomite tells him to do.
@koenraad4618
@koenraad4618 3 ай бұрын
Trump did not drain the swamp, he did nothing to stop the illegal immigration to the USA, etc, etc .....
@toetz4491
@toetz4491 3 ай бұрын
Yeah ,Trump does what he was told and NOT Biden 😂..Biden is an independent prez but he wears Depends 😂. Just like Obama who doesn't rely on teleprompters right?
@carlosbonorino6844
@carlosbonorino6844 3 ай бұрын
​@@toetz4491Biden is worse. But that doesn't eliminate Trump's flaws. The fact is that Putin is the greatest statesman in history after Abraham Lincoln.
@gayedawn1
@gayedawn1 3 ай бұрын
“Open aggression” to help the Russian speaking in the Donbas who had been persecuted and killed since 2014. Ukraine was forbidding Russian language to be spoken, told to forget their heritage, their Russian Orthodox Church. If the US and UK said other languages banned, what would we say about that? NOT A DEMOCRACY. 4 regions voted for autonomy but Zekensky will not agree.
@DomAtaGlance
@DomAtaGlance 3 ай бұрын
Their are a few problems with your narrative. 1) the open aggression started long before the language bill of 2019. Long before their was any issues between ethnic Russians and Ukranians. Long before the Ukranians spoke out against the Russian Orthodox Church. 2) their was no forbidding of speaking Russian. No one was told to abandon their heritage. 3) you can not "ask" a foreign country to invade your country to help you. That's called treason and is a crime against your country. 4) if a minority group in the United States or any country for that matter "ask" a foreign country to invade militarily on their behalf then they are terrorist
@tonym842
@tonym842 3 ай бұрын
​@@DomAtaGlanceYou're right, the Ukraine crisis was formented for years before. The Orange revolution in 2008, the Maidan massacre in 2014. Victoria Nuland bragged that the US had spent billions before the Maidan. Ukrainian officials have acknowledged that the US has the final say in government appointments. Ukraine is a proxy of the US to try and weaken Russia.
@evgen-cy6so
@evgen-cy6so 3 ай бұрын
@@DomAtaGlance
@olutayoosunkunle3556
@olutayoosunkunle3556 3 ай бұрын
@domgrace. There are so many narratives here. Do bass
@simonbaynham1350
@simonbaynham1350 3 ай бұрын
The Wagner Group was specifically formed in early 2014 to go into the Donbas to attack Ukrainian police and security forces. Before this there had been no problems in the Donbas. Consequently 13,000 people died in the Donbas over 8 years as a result of Moscows directive to agitate in the Donbas. Most of those who died were killed were civilians and were killed by indiscriminate Wagner shelling. Why did Russia do this? Well we found out in Feb 2022.
@martinmart481
@martinmart481 3 ай бұрын
As a Russian I can tell one thing. For Russian people Europe was always technologically, culturally and mentally most developed continent. But for the past few years Russians were not only angry what West were doing to them, not only upset about political situation and relationships with the West , but mostly shocked by so drastic decline of cognitive ability of Western society, how easy the society was converted to kind of zombie way of just absorbing , without even a shred of willingness for any doubt and analyzes, mostly illogical or even stupid information what politicians and media are telling them .
@jans724
@jans724 3 ай бұрын
It's not only you Russians who are shocked by the zombie way and stupidity in the West. It's us who have to live here too who are shocked. It's the insanity stage before the demise.
@stuartwray6175
@stuartwray6175 3 ай бұрын
Western society? It's not monolithic, and a significant number of people around the world, aren't political.
@nicolarobinson3140
@nicolarobinson3140 3 ай бұрын
@@stuartwray6175you know what he means…🤦‍♀️🥴
@martinmart481
@martinmart481 3 ай бұрын
@@stuartwray6175 You don’t have to be political in western countries to have undoubted picture of what Russia is. My coworker is French and all what he remember from his school time about Russia is GULAG, Stalin,dictatorship and alcoholism . Some educated people know words Dostoevsky and Tolstoy.
@javiermonforte8264
@javiermonforte8264 3 ай бұрын
You are 100% correct. We are going down very fast. It is ridiculous and stupid.
@romeozecevic9623
@romeozecevic9623 3 ай бұрын
Putin loves and protect his contry Great leader with knowlige
@aidasmatulaitis5175
@aidasmatulaitis5175 3 ай бұрын
Fix your gramma
@jennyohara4011
@jennyohara4011 3 ай бұрын
I love Putin but I am not Neo Con
@metugeekane8454
@metugeekane8454 3 ай бұрын
The thing is, Vladimir Putin would do surprisingly well in elections across many European countries, if elections are free and fair. This thought is unsettling for the increasingly despotic political elites of the West.
@TrickShepherd
@TrickShepherd 3 ай бұрын
The West is losing Africa. It is happening surprisingly quick.
@pariaheep
@pariaheep 3 ай бұрын
@todd1963
@todd1963 3 ай бұрын
He appears to be a nationalist, and Bill Burns covers his popularity and taking care of the economy for his people in his 2019 book after the crisis of the 1990s when the oligarchs were selling off the homeland to a bunch of foreign business interests. He uses a figure such as 80% approval ratings for Putin and Burns doesn't say the poll is rigged. The authoritarian tendencies are only supported because the population knows they are under threat and all populations, as can be seen after 9/11 tend to gravitate to a strong man with Bush's tough talk and approval for Constitution limiting measures like the Patriot Act and the illegal invasion of Iraq around 70-80%. This "nationalist" (patriot, love of country angle) has always been a challenge, even during the cold war period and the rejection of colonialism. The leader of Iran in 1953 was a nationalist. The leader in Guatemala in 1954 was a nationalist. However, they were painted as hard core communist to justify removing them. Many Americans would like restrictions on Chinese purchase of farm land and other property within the United States. Since the Elites of the West are mostly signed up to the non-Democratic WEF project (using Zbig Brzezinski's own terminology in his 2004 book) they have a serious problem where they are actually betraying the sovereign-national interest of the countries they declare they are patriots for in favor of building a global neo-feudalist order where they get to be the aristocratic elite of that new global system. To the extent that politicians such as a Putin or a Trump or whoever can win elections by appealing to Nationalist/Populist impulses this Trans-National Elite will simply call them fascist and anti-Democratic. Note Bernie Sanders had very similar sounding nationalist/populist impulses, but from the left and he seriously challenged and gained appeal to the masses against an established political elite. Of course it like the pot calling the kettle black.
@wendwllhickey6426
@wendwllhickey6426 3 ай бұрын
Putin is a murderer and a psycho and puts his people in jail if they say what the state doesn't like
@bitsbobs8613
@bitsbobs8613 3 ай бұрын
Is it just a coincidence that all the actors involved in creating this conflict , all happen to be them again
@hansbright-mohr5178
@hansbright-mohr5178 3 ай бұрын
This lady is clear at some point. But delusion at other
@peetsnort
@peetsnort 3 ай бұрын
Yes .lm not fooled. She's hyper passive aggressive
@DomAtaGlance
@DomAtaGlance 3 ай бұрын
Let me guess the parts where you agree with her she is on point and the parts where you disagree with her she is clueless
@dinf8940
@dinf8940 3 ай бұрын
mixing truth and lies is one of core techniques used in information warfare/propaganda done western style. she is pretty bad at this - lies should to be more subtle, fewer in number and with more focus on framing and leading, instead of force feeding this low tier hack attempts
@HomeCast-td2tu
@HomeCast-td2tu 3 ай бұрын
​@@DomAtaGlanceshe is a spook...loud and clear. You are in a infowar...
@richardparker1338
@richardparker1338 3 ай бұрын
She's passed her expiry date.
@KenCaniato
@KenCaniato 3 ай бұрын
Good interview thankyou....before 1917 ukraine was 90 percent smaller....lennin gifted them territories...stallin gifted them more in 1945....crimea gifted in 1954.....same religion.....ukraine was duped .....slavs killing slavs.....zelinski is like Netanyahu.....bad decisions no where to run except to expand conflict......sad times
@DomAtaGlance
@DomAtaGlance 3 ай бұрын
What is your point exactly
@baruasafi5880
@baruasafi5880 3 ай бұрын
Zelensky and Netanyahu are both non Semitic European Jews.
@Nine-Signs
@Nine-Signs 3 ай бұрын
Families of those lost in the UK Manchester concert bombing of 2017, are twinned in their grief with the families of those lost in the Moscow concert bombing. Both the results of blowback from decades of US foreign policy.
@DomAtaGlance
@DomAtaGlance 3 ай бұрын
It seems that the isis attack on the concert hall in Moscow was a direct blowback from Russias foreign policy decisions.
@ziggys.
@ziggys. 3 ай бұрын
Ivan, think of something else, your post is just a copy of the Kremlin narrative.
@kateoneal4215
@kateoneal4215 3 ай бұрын
It's completely NUTS because President Putin and "The Donald" are NOT ALIKE IN ANY WAY.
@vijjreddy
@vijjreddy 3 ай бұрын
ACTUALLY OPPOSITES, ONE IS CALM AND MEASURED, TRUMP IS FRIVOLOUS, ALWAYS GIVES REST TO HIS BRAIN, ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING
@bitsbobs8613
@bitsbobs8613 3 ай бұрын
Trump is the complete opposite of Putin
@alexandervantricht2189
@alexandervantricht2189 3 ай бұрын
@kateoneal4215 , that's not what she said , the American politicians and elite throw this all together to attack as well the arrogant Trump ( selfcentered ) for election 2024 , the evil Putin are Hitler , than you try to hurt two birds with one stone , and so you keep the American citizens ignorant .
@alexandervantricht2189
@alexandervantricht2189 3 ай бұрын
@@vijjreddy that's not what Vanden Heuvel says . The governments in the west use this for leading their citizens away from the reality , either political and/or economical .
@pfrohwein
@pfrohwein 3 ай бұрын
President Putin is a good man and a man of God. I believe Trump is also. They both care DEEPLY about their counties.
@punchy5503
@punchy5503 3 ай бұрын
Russia didn't invade Crimea watch Jacques Baud.
@TrickShepherd
@TrickShepherd 3 ай бұрын
Russia took Crimea from the Turks in 1783 and have since never left.
@DomAtaGlance
@DomAtaGlance 3 ай бұрын
But they did. The Russian military illegally entered soviergnn Ukraine territory and imposed their will on the people there. That's called an invasion. If not then what is it?
@zetristan4525
@zetristan4525 3 ай бұрын
Jacques Baud tells much of the truth, but then mixes in a few falsehoods too. eg Sometimes he'll make believe that Crimea held the referendum before Russia took over.
@nicolarobinson3140
@nicolarobinson3140 3 ай бұрын
@@DomAtaGlanceyeah but Ukraine only acquired the territory under a back room political arrangement, and then proceeded to systematically neglect Crimea for 7 decades!! It was probably the most welcomed ‘invasion’ in history..🤷🏻‍♀️🥴
@nicolarobinson3140
@nicolarobinson3140 3 ай бұрын
@@TrickShepherdif we kept going back no territory would be legitimately anybody’s…🤷🏻‍♀️
@mohammadashraf1671
@mohammadashraf1671 3 ай бұрын
Zelenski was elected on peace platform. He said" If needed i would even kneel down to a devil to make a peace for our country".
@harbinger6562
@harbinger6562 3 ай бұрын
Wow explains 🇷🇺 Orthodox Church closures and the 🇺🇲 elites connection 🤔♥️
@DomAtaGlance
@DomAtaGlance 3 ай бұрын
No he wasn't. Cool story though.
@pariaheep
@pariaheep 3 ай бұрын
The devil is done with Elenskystein...👹
@S1lverarrow
@S1lverarrow 3 ай бұрын
@@DomAtaGlance he said: I am ready to kneel before Putin to return Crimea was his original qoute, said on some interview before election.
@DomAtaGlance
@DomAtaGlance 3 ай бұрын
@@S1lverarrow ah yes because a statement made at some point prior to an election certainly describes the entire platform of said politician.
@dmansfieldlife
@dmansfieldlife 3 ай бұрын
Even Henry Kissinger-I think it was in March 2014 in The Washington Post-wrote this line: 'The demonization of Putin is not a policy. It's an alibi for not having a policy.' And then I wrote in reply to that: That's right, but it’s much worse than that, because it's also that the demonization of Putin is an obstacle to thinking rationally, having a rational discourse or debate about American national security. And it’s not just this catastrophe in Ukraine and the new Cold War; it's from there to Syria to Afghanistan, to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, to fighting global terrorism. The demonization of Putin excludes a partner in the Kremlin that the U.S. needs, no matter who sits there.[12]
@pariaheep
@pariaheep 3 ай бұрын
@agabrielian
@agabrielian 3 ай бұрын
We already know the history. So, what is this all about? I am surprised that she doesn’t seem to know what happened.
@Rainersclarinet
@Rainersclarinet 3 ай бұрын
That's exactly true. To blame others distract from the own problems.
@enriquelaroche5370
@enriquelaroche5370 3 ай бұрын
Easy question, When in the past 1000 years have the Average Russian citizen lived better than under Putin.?
@uneasyrider1980
@uneasyrider1980 3 ай бұрын
Easy answer, never.
@pariaheep
@pariaheep 3 ай бұрын
@Alex-lg6nz
@Alex-lg6nz 3 ай бұрын
That's a useless question.
@Alberich5335
@Alberich5335 3 ай бұрын
@@Alex-lg6nz The answer is the point, that counts. To find a better life in the own country is for most of the peopble better than emigrate. There is no mass immigration to Russia, but a qualified one. Farmers an Ranchers, craftsmen as carpenters,, builders, engineers etc., tradesmen from Europe find a new existence in Russia. In Russia pioneer spirit is possible more than in the overregulated EU. The question is not at all useless - the answer counts very much.
@adrongoddard7479
@adrongoddard7479 3 ай бұрын
Always good to hear analysis from Katrina Vanden Heuvel. Katrina is the wife of the late Prof Stephen Cohen, probably the foremost expert on US Russia relationship and a Russian historian. I urge people to look up some of his interviews on YT especially his interviews with Aaron Maté on the Greyzone. His insight and knowledge is surely missed. RIP Prof Cohen. and thank you Katrina.
@dag1489
@dag1489 3 ай бұрын
Let's not forget the first orange revolution (2004?). Ukraine has been a loony-bin for awhile.
@DomAtaGlance
@DomAtaGlance 3 ай бұрын
In what way is that loone
@Alex-lg6nz
@Alex-lg6nz 3 ай бұрын
Yushenko won in 3rd voting round, which is completely unconstitutional and his wife used to work in Reagan administration, maybe!?
@ThunderSen
@ThunderSen 3 ай бұрын
First round did not work out. SO Maidan was their plan B, that is why they don't have plan B now.
@user-nb4ex5zk3w
@user-nb4ex5zk3w 3 ай бұрын
People are such cowards, they love a bully to blame for their weakness.
@macrosense
@macrosense 3 ай бұрын
You have to keep stories simple enough for an American to understand. Whether they are real or not does not matter. For a man, this usually means trashy professional wrestling. For a woman, this usually means vain and vapid day time soap operas.
@punapeter
@punapeter 3 ай бұрын
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society.
@Nine-Signs
@Nine-Signs 3 ай бұрын
@@punapeter * under capitalism so as to ensure democracy can never be used to interfere in profit making no matter the harm to society or nation that results. You forgot that bit.
@punapeter
@punapeter 3 ай бұрын
@@Nine-Signs *WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY* We are a *Democratic* (adj) *REPUBLIC* (noun). Did you Pledge Allegiance to a Democracy? No. You pledged "allegiance to the flag and to the *THE REPUBLIC* for which it stands." It doesn't mean Republican. It means we have representatives! *NOT MOB RULE* Regardless we don't even have that because it was lost in the Nov. 22, 1963 Coup D'état, when the MICorpratocracy Ike warned us about, stole the country. They own all the politicians. The squad voted for them too. The Republic is lost. If you allowed the MIC to make it into a Democracy your vote is moot next to theirs. “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.” You didn't know that bit.
@macrosense
@macrosense 3 ай бұрын
Our own business elites covet the success or wealth of the Eastern European oligarchs or kleptocrats that emerged in Eastern Europe after the demise of the Soviet Union. I suppose in a best case scenario many neocons wish to have a position of authority in an orderly society. “This country would work a lot better if I were in charge, and were allowed to do what I want”.
@todd1963
@todd1963 3 ай бұрын
Warned about by Aldous Huxley in Brave New World Revisted in 1958 in his chapter on propaganda in democracy (vs the chapter for totalitarian government's propaganda). Distraction is the key. Also pointed out by in a book by a former National Security Advisor in 2004 called "The Choice" where simplistic narratives of good vs evil are needed to motivate the public for war and keeping them away from complex geopolitical and historical motives that influence the conduct of nations.
@andreasferenczi7613
@andreasferenczi7613 3 ай бұрын
10:14 "You need a good enemy in order to be a good hero." That's just a brilliant quote. I will certainly use it from time to time! Nice one Pascal!
@zetristan4525
@zetristan4525 3 ай бұрын
This is a Pascal original, it seems! He has said a lottaz great statements, but deserves his name on such gems.
@wojteks4712
@wojteks4712 3 ай бұрын
Nobody is looking to be hero here. Nobody asked Putin to invade, why do you confuse the cause with reaction
@zetristan4525
@zetristan4525 3 ай бұрын
@@wojteks4712 What Pascal is pointing to is the longtime demonization of the character Putin. Putin, in reality, is actually one of the most rational actors in the Kremlin, but since propaganda pretends that he is a megalomaniac, Zelenskyy and the West become great heroes trying to stop him. I have been against Russia's invasion of Ukraine from the start. But I understand why he did it instead of waiting for a possible NATO-Russia armageddon over Crimea (and relentless civil war too). You can read US Marine Capt Matthew Hoh's online article _A War Long Wanted_ for a summary. And your criticism is always welcome, because it's so important we understand all factors before creating artificial caricaturizations and "solutions".
@user-dy3tb7rp3h
@user-dy3tb7rp3h 3 ай бұрын
Project Ukraine is older. 1997. Brzesinski. But it might have become more pressing 2007 for Neocons.
@wojteks4712
@wojteks4712 3 ай бұрын
Project Ukraine? How about a nation? Which has right to exist and reform without being invaded by it's oppressive neighbor
@charliebarton
@charliebarton 3 ай бұрын
I remember a video I saw right after the 2016 election. It's been maybe a day or two since she lost, and one of her main guys (I knew the name then, but I forget who it was) is standing outside on election night smoking a cigarette. He's asked by the person holding the camera what they're going to do. He takes a drag of his cigarette and says "we're gonna blame Russia." I wish I'd saved that video.
@user-lt6xz4du2h
@user-lt6xz4du2h 3 ай бұрын
I broke out in laughter when Katrina vanden Heuvel started talking about fear and that Russia was considering bringing back the death penalty.
@margaritadubrovina7063
@margaritadubrovina7063 3 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for inviting the very talented and knowledgeable guest. Appreciated your analysis. ❤❤❤❤❤
@1971gift
@1971gift 3 ай бұрын
We DO know what happened in the Maidan. Pascal had on the Ukrainian-Canadian professor who's made the case with extensive research. Why didn't he challenge her about that? She's getting her current timeline wrong. There was ALREADY mobilization in Russia at the beginning of the year...well before the attack. Calling the SMO a war was also stepped back almost immediately. So...
@andrewackerley9985
@andrewackerley9985 3 ай бұрын
This proxy doesn't even know the facts or dates regarding the history of events in Ukraine. She needs to do her homework more diligently before she gets in front of a camera.
@peetsnort
@peetsnort 3 ай бұрын
Yes.britain has been anti slav for centuries
@docastrov9013
@docastrov9013 3 ай бұрын
There is no Ukraine.
@wojteks4712
@wojteks4712 3 ай бұрын
​@@docastrov9013interesting how many genocidal fascists are commenting here
@tonykevingrapevine
@tonykevingrapevine 3 ай бұрын
Very good discussion, thanks Katrina and Pascal . Tony Kevin, Canberra Australia
@bboucharde
@bboucharde 3 ай бұрын
Dear Katrina vH, Thanks for all of your efforts! Best Wishes & Respect, BBoucharde
@user-jz5wh5mj4n
@user-jz5wh5mj4n 3 ай бұрын
She’s so wrong about Putin!!! Just because trump literally obsessed either he genuinely admires Putin or he wants to be like him
@redditisbetterthantwitter5692
@redditisbetterthantwitter5692 3 ай бұрын
Gorbachev was just like Biden but not senile. And Biden is like Eltsyn but sober😂
@no-one-knows321
@no-one-knows321 3 ай бұрын
Having read-Blood lands- the region is cursed by history. Wishing for a better future.
@heungwahlee8876
@heungwahlee8876 3 ай бұрын
Blame Putin! Blame China! 😂😂😂😂😂
@libbymoore6202
@libbymoore6202 3 ай бұрын
I am awake, but I had to switch off when she mentioned bloody climate change!!!!!
@uncleshamus3451
@uncleshamus3451 3 ай бұрын
I really liked her husband 😢
@mathquir190
@mathquir190 3 ай бұрын
I think Sweden and Finland were more scared about the US... I mean what would happen if they don't get in... Economically, international relations, etc. I still think that was a really bad decision and the cost of neutrality was worth it.
@ziggys.
@ziggys. 3 ай бұрын
Your two brain cells are too little to be able to think. They are sufficient to copy Russian propaganda, though.
@zetristan4525
@zetristan4525 3 ай бұрын
Wonderful voice of sanity - and so glad we still have access to Steven F. Cohen indirectly❣️
@felawes
@felawes 3 ай бұрын
🇷🇺
@OlegUshyarov
@OlegUshyarov 3 ай бұрын
You people don’t know too much about Russia or Putin.
@neutralitystudies
@neutralitystudies 3 ай бұрын
Where do you get your knowledge about him and Russia from?
@OlegUshyarov
@OlegUshyarov 3 ай бұрын
@@neutralitystudies from watching Putin and his career from 1999, plus I’m a Russian American with family in Russia, I speak Russian, know Russian history, and I know geopolitics and war. I also get some info from EX U.S. military and intelligence people like Major Scott Ritter, Col. Doug Macgregor, Col. Richard Black, the Duran, Marine Brian Berlaric, Garland Nixion, Jeffry Sachs and a whole bunch of others.
@neutralitystudies
@neutralitystudies 3 ай бұрын
@@OlegUshyarov Interesting. Defenitely much better than anything I could have access to without the language skills. And what is your assessment?
@OlegUshyarov
@OlegUshyarov 3 ай бұрын
@@neutralitystudies my assessment is that Putin is on the right and winning side of history and the USA/Nato/G-7/E.U. are on the wrong and losing side of history. I think Putin is extremely intelligent, patriotic, capable, and honorable unlike the leaders of NATO past and present. 95% of all the things said about Putin in the collective west is nothing but fake news, Russophobic nonsense and anti-Putin/anti-russian propaganda and projection by western elites and their mouthpieces.
@kladblok2729
@kladblok2729 3 ай бұрын
The assessment is that you people are complicit in the genocide on the Ukrainian people.
@jimrule8652
@jimrule8652 3 ай бұрын
I love Peace
@hk3339
@hk3339 3 ай бұрын
Then you are a threat to US empire.... 😂😂
@wojteks4712
@wojteks4712 3 ай бұрын
Then you condemn Putin
@hk3339
@hk3339 3 ай бұрын
@wojteks4712 Condum NATO/USA/West and their neo-natzis puppet in Ukraine. Yes I do. Then you are bot.
@hb19110
@hb19110 3 ай бұрын
Exactly. I see that also.
@stuartwray6175
@stuartwray6175 3 ай бұрын
'that'?
@weinerdog137
@weinerdog137 3 ай бұрын
Gotta have bogeyman
@shaneanderson8919
@shaneanderson8919 3 ай бұрын
Did you ever hear of Fatima and the prophecy’s. According to her, “Russia will save the world from the evil rulers “, actually Russia and Ukraine
@ellenh6796
@ellenh6796 3 ай бұрын
The Russian gentleman's name is PUTIN with a T, not PU'IN with a glottal stop.Those who consider themselves Putin Versteher could at least bother to pronounce his name with all its letters
@stuarthdoblin
@stuarthdoblin 3 ай бұрын
Johnson was sent by the Rockefeller Cartel of Central Banks.
@JackGreystoke
@JackGreystoke 3 ай бұрын
Scary
@Stevenhines461
@Stevenhines461 3 ай бұрын
Pascal, Russia did not invade Crimea in 2014. According to Jacques Baud, there were 22,000 Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea at the time and 20,000 of them switched sides and joined Russia when the Maiden Coup happened. Something like 95% of Crimeans voted to join the Russian Federation. No invasion was necessary.
@raymondsmith6870
@raymondsmith6870 3 ай бұрын
The Russians signed the international treaty of the Budapest Memorandum guaranteeing Ukraine sovereignty and integrity in exchange for all the nuclear missiles on their territory. Thus negating any claim to Crimea or Donbass. Typical of Russia and their sycophants that they don't have honor and are faithless infidels.
@ziggys.
@ziggys. 3 ай бұрын
What a BS 🤣 Baud is Russian-paid.
@zombieGI
@zombieGI 3 ай бұрын
Putin ate my homework
@raymondsmith6870
@raymondsmith6870 3 ай бұрын
I hope the lady here got her payment in stolen oligarch euros and not worthless rubles.
@plm203
@plm203 3 ай бұрын
I am pretty sure that Peskov and even VVP used the words "war with NATO" before thursday march 21st.
@HomeCast-td2tu
@HomeCast-td2tu 3 ай бұрын
Luv it when spooks unveil themselves: climate existential danger🙄
@tedgraves6366
@tedgraves6366 3 ай бұрын
There is a theory that the snipers were actually Israeli, while in the documentary Ukraine burning suggested they were Georgian. . . Gonzalo Lira regrettably died in prison in the Ukraine, he had forwarded the Israeli merc theory.
@jameslawrie3807
@jameslawrie3807 2 ай бұрын
I find it odd that people will say in the space of one video that 'people conflate Russia and Putin' and then say 'a reporter reported on abuses in Chechnya so Putin killer her'. In History this conflation is known as Great Man Theory and is widely seen as an outdated approach to history
@evaeleftheriou2797
@evaeleftheriou2797 3 ай бұрын
Hello from Greece, Thank you for the very good analysis and good Imformation ‼️
@GaijinTV
@GaijinTV 3 ай бұрын
Wow … not lies, refreshing. Domo Arigato from Japan
@daveyjuice7710
@daveyjuice7710 10 күн бұрын
I was contemplating the lady's proposals recently and it seems s quick regime change is not a preferred option But a protracted war which is a diversion ?, from what and for whom?
@resist2030
@resist2030 3 ай бұрын
This whole problem started way back when Ukraine considered joining the EU but at the same time wanted to cooperate with Russia. The EU said, no, you have to choose, either EU or Russia. So Ukraine stopped the plan to join the EU and that's when the West started cooking a scheme to turn Ukraine against Russia. Ukraine should never join the EU or NATO. 100% neutrality.
@user-id7yn6dq2d
@user-id7yn6dq2d 3 ай бұрын
Although the invasion was illegal, what other option did Russia have?
@Gunni1972
@Gunni1972 3 ай бұрын
Changing things/systems takes Brains, Hearts and Work done. Politics and media adresses/targets brain and heart. But once you're locked into the Administrative system, getting the the work done gets increasingly difficult. It's like people have lost their ways, and try to re-orient on other people's dreams/ideas. It will only end in misery, Because that other person then asks for you doing HIS/HER work. "consensual slavery" is the term, i use for that situation. Kids, that hear: "That's not how it works", without a proper and detailed explanation on HOW IT WORKS lose their way, without a new one. "Worshipping people or Ideals" is an indicator, that this has happened. That's why "privatizing education" generally splits societies (privatizing in general does the trick). A Unified Education system keeps "goals" visible. And therefore the work that needs to be done.
@majbolleostad6264
@majbolleostad6264 3 ай бұрын
Nato is happy now
@steinbauge4591
@steinbauge4591 3 ай бұрын
Climate is no existential threat.
@TheEmmef
@TheEmmef 3 ай бұрын
1:52 Wasn't it Right sector fighters instead of Azov fighters? If I remember correctly, McCain was on stage with people from the former.
@drprofessorsoso208
@drprofessorsoso208 3 ай бұрын
Hegemonic power structures, whether they are economic, political, or cultural, can perpetuate inequalities and injustices on a global scale. They may prioritize profit and control over human rights, environmental sustainability, and social justice. This can lead to exploitation, oppression, and the perpetuation of systemic injustices that harm vulnerable populations. I know the problems in my country it's just other people don't understand the problems within the country I reside in and more specifically the movement that's going on in the country not just in the country but the entire continent which makes people like me irrelevant. I can't say that that is terms for reconciliation what the opposite frankly. South Africa to Israel to the icj because they're angry about the weapon sales allegations to Russia. That's why they're against the United States. I'm against the United States from my own reasons and those reasons put everybody in the same boat that is sinking Your frustration with the indifference of powerful entities towards the suffering of vulnerable populations is palpable and understandable. It's deeply troubling to witness the exploitation and disregard for human life that often accompanies the pursuit of hegemonic power and economic interests. Other people who might look like me have given us a bad name within this country and what we say doesn't matter. And the reasons I'm not a fan of Donald trump Joe Biden or these big presidents is because of the problems that they exacerbate because of their global dominance ideology that doesn't care about the suffering it creates for others The double standard in responses to violence, where uproar occurs when marginalized groups speak out or resist oppression, while atrocities committed by hegemonic powers go unchecked, highlights systemic injustices and hypocrisy. It's unjustifiable that retaliation or resistance against such powers is met with condemnation, while the ongoing violence and oppression perpetrated by these powers are largely ignored or excused. Living in a country that is targeted by hegemonic powers for regime change or economic exploitation can indeed be terrifying and precarious. The constant threat of violence and instability imposed by external forces can have devastating consequences for ordinary people trying to live their lives. Your frustration with those who support and enable these actions out of selfishness is valid. It's essential to continue speaking out against injustice, raising awareness, and advocating for systemic change that prioritizes human dignity, equality, and peace. Solidarity with marginalized communities and amplifying their voices is crucial in challenging hegemonic power structures and working towards a more just and compassionate world. Not that the people guarantee a compassionate world with the people that they support it seems that people don't want to compassionate world but frown upon violence people are weird Also please feel free to criticise my country the shining city on the hill even the idea that my country is an emerging economy is completely ridiculous because of the power grid situation if this country wasn't emerging economy they would fix it however corruption and the thought of self enrichment is to alluring
@Alex-lg6nz
@Alex-lg6nz 3 ай бұрын
You had it right the first time - reading is a subversive activity regardless of the origin of contained information. Because information is not the enemy; facts are not the enemy; truth is not the enemy; critical thinking is the enemy.
@conflict_monitor
@conflict_monitor 3 ай бұрын
Putin & Trump are both world class Chads and my favourite politicians. Putin is Chad One, because he's the Chaddiest of the two. Love your show, btw
@zetristan4525
@zetristan4525 3 ай бұрын
Trump is a mouth masquerading in the chaddiest way: "Sleeepy Joe is even dumber than me..." - well, true.
@conflict_monitor
@conflict_monitor 3 ай бұрын
@@zetristan4525 there is an almost perfect 1:1 correlation between the people who hate Trump and the people I hate. He gets extra style-points for that.
@conflict_monitor
@conflict_monitor 3 ай бұрын
@@zetristan4525 I also agree with pretty much everything you said, btw
@zetristan4525
@zetristan4525 3 ай бұрын
@@conflict_monitor Thanks for your good humor. Why should folks hate Trump, when he's mostly a joke? When can we have ranked choice voting, so that people don't focus on which old fart they fear the most to wreck the ship?
@conflict_monitor
@conflict_monitor 3 ай бұрын
@@zetristan4525 I've noticed (over the last 54'years) that humans are quite gullible I was markedly less terrified of a global cataclysm when he was President. He limited the bulk of his aggressive impulses to just talking shit on Twitter
@jaderington
@jaderington 3 ай бұрын
We do know the full story. There was a court case 🙄
@atatsmail260
@atatsmail260 3 ай бұрын
Now with single polar world and the internet, Lucky if anyone can fish out the truth anywhere
@PeaceShram
@PeaceShram 3 ай бұрын
I’ve heard ‘neo-cold warrior’ as of late.
@ruiddd956
@ruiddd956 3 ай бұрын
Absolute lucidity.
@mnjraman
@mnjraman 3 ай бұрын
You both come across as people of great character. You two should organize an international summit of Conscientious people to rid the world of War. Start with slogans, which may appear to be propaganda, but the intention is to expose the war mongers and point out the extreme level of anxiety of peoples across the nations as the reason to suspend all wars. This needs to happen quickly and in a very coordinated manner. Please begin all your activities by Imploring the Almighty to help us come up with concrete steps to make the war mongers give up their greed for control of everything everywhere! Have them take an oath that makes sense....
@teresaolszanka112
@teresaolszanka112 3 ай бұрын
It's not hard to determine that East Ukraine is a Russia. Before 1920 Ukraine as a state did not exist and it is only in 1991 that Ukraine became an independent state. However, Ukraine is sitting on territories of other countries, namely: Russia, Poland, Hungary and Romania. Polish, Hungarian and Romanian territories were given to the Soviet Union, NOT the Ukraine Republic which in 1945 was an integral part of the Soviet Union. Ms van den Heuvel might like to take a look at relevant encyclopedia pages (not Wikipedia) It takes 10 mins.
@ziggys.
@ziggys. 3 ай бұрын
Ukraine is sitting on Putin's brain. That's the problem with him.
@chucksterling7477
@chucksterling7477 3 ай бұрын
Kitrina, I have so much respected your perspectives and those of Stephen during his life. You have been correct so many times in the past, but you are absolutely wrong this time. I visited Ukraine last fall and absolutely no one there is saving "we hate having to fight this proxy war for America". I have during my life I've been to most NATO countries, and have never heard anyone say "you know what we really need to do is take over Russia" Victoria Nuland did not summon hundreds of thousands to the Maiden, they went for reasons that had almost nothing to do with America, though at the beginning it everything to do with their desire to be in the EU. Please read Marci Shore's "The Ukrainian Night", then take a little trip up to New Haven and chat with Marci and her husband. You will have to admit they know more than you do about this region. Pascal, you admit you don't know much about Russia, learn more. And yes Sweden and Finland do fear Russia more now than during the Cold War, they aren't being forced into NATO by anyone. If you were against the U.S. attack on Iraq, you should also be 100% against what Putin is doing now.
@user-zh1th8sz2l
@user-zh1th8sz2l 3 ай бұрын
I almost pity this woman. I used to read The Nation, like 20 years ago, where this lady was camped out as the editor in chief I believe. With Naomi Klein under her wing as a rising liberal star. They had it good back then. With W. Bush in power, and the Iraq War, such easy targets and bogeymen for years and years. And then there was Obama the empty suit and liberal beau ideal. And then, finally, came Trump.... And liberals like Katrina have been reeling ever since. Trying to pick up the pieces, as a new generation of radical woke liberals hit the scene, and pretty much shattered whatever the tepid liberal consensus was previous. And having to walk that tightrope of still being at least a well-meaning, if ineffectual progressive liberal pundit and thought leader, with all the fanaticism and paranoia and TDR and Russophobia of this new breed of pundits, hungry for plum assignments in the woke liberal media, happily willing to up the rhetorical ante to against the red menace at every opportunity. And here she is in this interview still struggling to square the circle. I don't know what the heck she was even trying to say.....
@anata5127
@anata5127 3 ай бұрын
The US doesn’t need Ukraine EU membership without NATO membership. Moreover, Ukrainians, especially Western ones, will not calm down. Bottom line, no Ukraine, no problem. I think this a way Russia see it.
@adriaanmetzelaar8744
@adriaanmetzelaar8744 3 ай бұрын
The 3 baltic republics have to always been part of it russia, even in in tsarist times since the demise of the lituanian empire. Its full of russians, they speak russian, etc. Nato has no business there at all
@lilibethrodriguez1547
@lilibethrodriguez1547 3 ай бұрын
I think SMO will change to CTO
@steffen1405
@steffen1405 3 ай бұрын
New NATO members makes total sense because their neighbour is being attacked!
@tigersilberhannes9153
@tigersilberhannes9153 3 ай бұрын
Ok, she is just trolling. "EU Membership for Ukraine", that ship has sailed.
@spudwesth
@spudwesth 3 ай бұрын
Slava Russia.
@MuantanamoMobile
@MuantanamoMobile 3 ай бұрын
A bit of a correction here 5:18, in 2010 this was actually codified into their constitution. So Neutrality was removed in 2014 bytheMaidanists.
@pariaheep
@pariaheep 3 ай бұрын
Great talk! We applaud the T O T A L V I C T O R Y of the Invincible Army of the Glorious Russian Federation and its charismatic leaders! Godspeed Russia ! 💫 🇷🇺 💪🤍💙❤ 🐻
@user-wj9ld9vm6y
@user-wj9ld9vm6y 3 ай бұрын
Putin is an alpha male like Trump and women go crazy over that now… I think it is ridiculous! Women need to move on!!!
@markrobby7136
@markrobby7136 3 ай бұрын
Obsession???
@malaydhar917
@malaydhar917 3 ай бұрын
Please change the style of anchoring. It looks childish ! When someone talks about, or love, or hate a leader, such as Putin or Stalin etc, tell about his policies not as an individual ! 🤔-bmd
@lukasbauer8783
@lukasbauer8783 3 ай бұрын
Certainly lots of cliches, half truths and dubious assumptions in this talk, no matter the good intentions that I do believe are very much there. So I suspect it's not for the most part deliberate lies. Probably more some stereotypical "received wisdom" than anything else, though that too is kinda disappointing, especially where Katrina is concerned. Concerning those "lots of people" that Putin supposedly had killed we definitely never got more than pure assertions in the case of almost all of them, with not any more, indeed probably considerably less evidence backing it up than in the case of all those suspicious deaths that the Clintons were supposedly responsible for. But I will say, I actually think (and admittedly even kinda hope) that there is some (tiny, vastly exegerated) kernels of truths to this as well, at least during the earliest years of Putin's presidency or premiership before that. It certainly would speak for Putin and not against him if he took out at least some of the people that it is sometimes claimed he took out. It's worth remembering that rampant violence, criminality and use of assassination as a normal every day way of dealing with political and business rivals was omnipresent when Putin first took the reigns. All the russian politicians and highranking officials, all the so called liberals, they all were corrupt, they all were hardened, violent criminals, they all were murderers many times over. They were the worst kind of scum imaginable and they all were very much traitors who didn't give a flying fuck about the country, or really about anything and anyone and were selling out Russia left and right. And the West LOVED them for precisely that reason. These people and their minions were destroying Russia and they were defacto genociding the russian people via economic means, for money and on behalf of the West. They killed about as many Russians as Hitler did. Even if Putin was guilty of every crime the West and their fifth columnists accused him of was true (which it is not, duh), he would still be a saint compared to the people in charge then (casually implying that those were in any way preferable is actially the single most ignorant, most stupid and most damning of anything that Katriina said). The truth is, these people deserved to die if anyone in this world ever did. IF Putin killed some of them and their minions that is something he should be praised and celebrated for, period. Certainly some seriously ruthlessness was necessary to really, physically survive in and much more so to drain this rotting swamp full of maneating, bloodsucking monsters. In fact if anything Putin was (just as in Ukraine) not sufficienntly ruthless in the end. Because if anything he at most killed a tiny handful before spending so many years on gradually wrestling the power they never had any legitimate claim to at all away from them in nonlethal ways. Though he did manage eventually, which is also and even more worthy of being celebrated, leaving a MUCH cleaner house for his future successors than anyone else, certainly any of Russia's archcorrupt, traitorous "liberals" coild ever have dreamed of delivering.
@richysuphiy
@richysuphiy 3 ай бұрын
Excellent analysis!!👍👍😬
@literatious308
@literatious308 3 ай бұрын
Not. Full of errors.
@noggogo6932
@noggogo6932 27 күн бұрын
Zelensk is a comic actor by profession, not a statesman. He has no background whatsoever in statecraft. His Svengali is a media billionaire, who, like him, is not ethnically Ukrainian.
@billappledorf
@billappledorf 3 ай бұрын
Lenin drew Novorossya, the industrial east of today's Ukraine, into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (SSR) so that Russians -- because they spoke Russian, which was the administrative language of the USSR -- would be living within its borders. Novorossya denotes territory that Catherine the Great conquered in the 18th century and encouraged Russians to populate. Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, Kherson, and Crimea were all part of Russia from when Catherine the Great annexed them. Lenin drew all five except Crimea into the Ukrainian SSR. Khrushchev gave Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954, assuming the USSR would be around forever.
@insomniacresurrected1000
@insomniacresurrected1000 3 ай бұрын
Ukraine is a fake country, largely created by the Bolsheviks.
@DomAtaGlance
@DomAtaGlance 3 ай бұрын
And then when Ukraine declared it's independence Russia was asked if they approved of and agreed to respect Ukraines borders and Russia agreed. As they did many times over the years. So sorry but you can't just wake up one day and say no we don't think your borders are what they are
@insomniacresurrected1000
@insomniacresurrected1000 3 ай бұрын
@@DomAtaGlance But you can. Ukraine fucked up, and Russia will correct the bullshit.
@billappledorf
@billappledorf 3 ай бұрын
​ @DomAtaGlance Yes. Russia did agree to respect Ukraine's borders when it declared its independence. In 2014, the Maidan coup brought a hyper-Russophobic regime to power which, as its first official act revoked the Russian language's status as an official language. This is the equivalent of revoking the official status of French in Quebec or Spanish in California. Russian speakers protesting this action were violently attacked, culminating on May 2, 2014, with the massacre of more than 40 Russian speakers, in Odessa, when their attackers set a government building they had retreated to alight with Molotov cocktails. Civil war intensified. Russian, French, German, and Ukrainian diplomats negotiated the Minsk 1 and 2 agreements in Sept., 2014 and Feb., 2015, to end the violence. These were approved by the UN Security Council, and Kiev did not implement them. In Dec. 2021, the Russian Federation presented a proposal to end the crisis to the U.S. and NATO, neither of whom agreed to discuss it. Russia intervened militarily in Feb. 2022 to force Kiev to the negotiating table. Negotiations occurred in Istanbul in March and April, 2022 and produced a draft agreement that the U.S. and U.K. instructed Kiev not to sign. One can hardly accuse Russia of "waking up one day and invading their neighbor."
@DomAtaGlance
@DomAtaGlance 3 ай бұрын
@@billappledorf you are severely mistaken sir. The maidan revolution was not a "coup". The president of Ukraine Viktor yanakovych willfully boarded a Russian helicopter and left them country under his own recognizance. He was not chased out, he was not overthrown, he was not forced out. He left in the middle of the night under the cover of darkness. In the morning when Ukraine along with the rest of the world realized that their leader had abandoned ship the elected officials of the Ukranian govrtment moved to immediately fill the office of president with an interim president untill new elections could be held and a new president could be elected .neither the interim president or the elected president brought with them anything remotely close to "hyper Russia phobia". In 2012 a law was put on the agenda to cement Russian as an official language in Ukraine. 2 days after the fleeing of yanakovych the parliament of Ukraine moved to amend the bill, fearful that it would be used to undermine the Ukranian language. Ultimately the interim president that you claim was hyper Russia phobic actually VETOED the decision by the Ukranian parliament in order to protect the law. If you don't believe me all you have to do is look up Ukraine language law of 2012 After the president of Ukraine vetoed the decision by Ukraines parliament it becomes pretty hard to make the claim that ethnic Russians in the east were violently attacked for protesting the action. Unless you are telling me they were protesting the support of their law. Or are you telling me they aren't smart enough to even know what they are protesting? In reality their was no violence against ethnic Russians. The violence that took place was actually perpetrated by ethnic Russians against the Ukranians loyal to their country. Like we saw in Odessa when Russian backed sepretist attacked a group of Ukranian loyalist with bats, knives, clubs and firearms. When their group began to be beaten back by the Ukranians who were defending themselves they retreated to the Odessa trade union building where they had prepared Molotov cocktails and baracaded the premises. I haven't seen anyone seriously suggest that it was the Ukranians who had Molotov cocktails with them. Where would they be kept? I. Their pockets? Molotov cocktails can not be concealed and taken for travel. They can only be prepared and kept at a defensive fortification like the Odessa trade union building. What the Russian backed sepretist did not anticipate was that someone in their ranks would throw a cocktail from the 3rd strong and botch the throw causeing it to explode inside the building and the baracades meant to keep the Ukranians out actually worked to keep the Russians in. Unfortunately "in" is also where the fire happened to be. Ukranian loyalist watched on in shock and horror as the fire enveloped the building and killed many. It was no massacre. It was a tragic accident where a group of men caused their own deaths. In my opinion anyone who goes against their own country in support of a foreign power is a traitor and scumbag and deserves nothing less than death. So I cry no tears for the barbequed scumbags in Odessa. As far as minsk goes, it was not kyiv who caused minsk failure. It was valdimir.putins refusal to remove troops from eastern Ukraine that caused minsk to fail
@BrentRichards-vp1cg
@BrentRichards-vp1cg 3 ай бұрын
Putin is really good at it but he is dreadfully old our president is older and we can take it because we are stronger
@punapeter
@punapeter 3 ай бұрын
We can take what? Putin is good at what? Chess, while America plays checkers?
@Nine-Signs
@Nine-Signs 3 ай бұрын
@@punapeter More monopoly. There is no profit in checkers nor chess.
@punapeter
@punapeter 3 ай бұрын
@@Nine-Signs How would you know? I guess you never won.
@casparides
@casparides 2 ай бұрын
West is the best
@prebenso
@prebenso 3 ай бұрын
Yes and black is white
@46Harveys
@46Harveys 3 ай бұрын
Pascal you call Putin Hitler ! Can you please clarify. Why talk of war ?
@arabcadabra8863
@arabcadabra8863 3 ай бұрын
Don't disagree. This lady is just dull. As in monotone-boring.
@zetristan4525
@zetristan4525 3 ай бұрын
I played the interview at 1.25x speed, and thought she was superb. Always seeking honesty and a fully balanced view.
@tmilholin7552
@tmilholin7552 3 ай бұрын
why do none of you understand the Ukraine was has nothing to do with Ukraine?? Its all about syria and Iran.. wake up
@jackofswords7
@jackofswords7 3 ай бұрын
I like much of what she is saying but it's very hard listening to her. Orritary is not her strong suit. She needs to gather her thoughts and present them in a logical order. And the climate is NOT an existential crisis. She really needs to get with the game. A stupid comment like that puts her whole disjointed narrative into question.
@goodwill3649
@goodwill3649 3 ай бұрын
I don't know why you have this guest on she continuously vacillates and then decides in the face of all evidence that the maidan crisis was a mystery yet to be solved with the cast of characters like Lindsey Graham John McCain and Victoria nuland cheerleading and funding for the alt-right in Ukraine I was not able to watch the second half of the events I did enjoy however the moderators comments
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@MarinaDiaz-dp3dx 3 ай бұрын
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