NeverKnowsBest: A Tale of Defamation and Delusion

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Creetosis

Creetosis

6 ай бұрын

So ‪@NeverKnowsBest‬ decided to make a video misrepresenting and lying about me. This is my response.
I had reached out and offered to have a discussion in good faith, but he never responded, so I was left with little other choice than to respond to his dishonest accusations.

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@Longknife
@Longknife 6 ай бұрын
AFlyingNun here, the redditor he criticized. I'm sick of being messaged about this and talking about this, but I wanted to provide the most blatant, important example of how he misrepresented me: NKB says this is about making sure people understand that not all the blame lies with one person and it's ridiculous to blame Emil for all things bad at Bethesda. Correct! ....And that makes it that much more weird that, you can go to my post right now, and see I have an entire final section in this post addressing that exact point. I also reply to some of the critical comments he points at *in agreement* with some of their criticisms, but he never touches on this. You can also find comments where I express remorse that my tone is disrespectful, because I never thought Emil might see the post and - had I known - yes I would be more respectful. I still think Emil can't write, but a respectful tone is of course better (and deserved) if you're addressing someone directly. Seems odd to me that all the parts of my post that reflect one of NKB's core points of the video are just conveniently left out. That he missed some of my comments, fine, it can happen, but the specific part of the main post echo'ing what he claims the video is for...? What, he made a vid without even reading the full post he was covering?! All while saying he's "on a quest for the truth?" There's more ways he misrepresents me, but I think at the end of the day, that's the big issue: he actively misrepresents us in ways that require gross negligence on his part, whilst his examples of *us* "misrepresenting" Emil often boil down to downright dishonest technicalities based on the semantics or cherry-picking of what was said/written, with zero effort on his part to try and understand intent, tone or the message being conveyed. It's hard not to watch his video and think "hypocrisy."
@coltonrognrud3528
@coltonrognrud3528 6 ай бұрын
its wild how some people will represent information just to point or paint their own view. we see this all the time with modern studies that get skewed or misrepresented in all forms of american media.
@todddouglas7231
@todddouglas7231 6 ай бұрын
“Misrepresent” you? My brother in Christ, he read the post you made.
@Wasyashock
@Wasyashock 6 ай бұрын
saying suspicion is a boring emotion was kinda dumb tho
@user-nj7tt3do7u
@user-nj7tt3do7u 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I checked your post. The edit was featured in the video but NeverKnowsBest glossed over this part for some reason. Still diagree with you on... well, a lot of things ("suspision" and "hero" parts are still cringe), but NeverKnowsBest did messed up here.
@Longknife
@Longknife 6 ай бұрын
@@user-nj7tt3do7u Disagreeing is fine, attributing malice isn't. Another example that - like you said - can be seen in his own video if you pause on my post is that he acts like I said Emil said Skyrim was about "dragons" as the theme. He then cites that Emil said it was "the lone messiah" that was the real theme and acts like I didn't acknowledge that. But I did! There's an entire paragraph to it! I acknowledge it in a similar manner Creetosis does: that Emil's first gut reaction is to say "dragons" and "androids," and that's potentially cause for alarm if that's his gut response (and to be fair, could just be him addressing what OTHERS might say), and even the theme he finally names in "hero" or "the lone messiah" is very poorly done because he does absolutely nothing to explore said theme. Whole thing would've been better - and healthier - if NKB just provided an opinion that contrasts the critique of Emil WITHOUT having to misrepresent the people providing that critique.
@miniondaechir
@miniondaechir 6 ай бұрын
NOT THE GIRLFRIEND METAPHOR AGAIN AAAGH
@victorfox2972
@victorfox2972 2 ай бұрын
Shhh, let him cuck
@Kattbirb
@Kattbirb 6 ай бұрын
"KZfaqrs are allowed to say whatever they want, and usually, they get away with it." I don't feel that that was ironic. It felt more like gloating. Essentially as more drama bait.
@cbiscot2
@cbiscot2 5 ай бұрын
Zodiac Killer type beat
@mellon3891
@mellon3891 6 ай бұрын
23:00 What's worse than the messiah analogy is that Emille acts like the Dragonborn is the first one like that when the Nerevarine was already Ashlander Jesus. Maybe they do keep a design document, but the stuff that definitely gets tossed between games would warrant an internal lore document at least. Reference how things are supposed to fit in the story instead of making the lore fit the writing, but then Starfield had a clean slate and it still became a game based on "coc" and doors disguised as anything but.
@zzz11zz44
@zzz11zz44 6 ай бұрын
What's also funny is nerevarine kinda resembles Brian from life of Brian , like he's not sure if he is one, but everyone just opt in that he is, which is a twist on Jesus, obviously, but in Skyrim you just IS messiah, and not the Jesus kind so no one would get offended if resemblance is too close. The guy had a religious crisis while writing STARFIELD of all things, I assume he's too obsessed about his catholic background, and not in the way that will actually make story better (example: faith holy Trinity)
@godmauledsomepeople
@godmauledsomepeople 6 ай бұрын
afaik the nerevarine is not actually present, but the way the quests turn out you force yourself into his role as your primary objective, you arent jesus by default, you are pinning down the prophecy and ticking off each requirement like an objective list.
@matthewcarroll2533
@matthewcarroll2533 6 ай бұрын
@@godmauledsomepeople All three of the remaining deities in Morrowind (and Tribunal) refer to YOU, the player character, as the Nerevarine. Those aren't peasants worshipping you, it's the people that betrayed you in your past life literally telling you "oh shit your back, sup... no hard feelings right?". It's all in the game if you read it. *edit* typo
@FalenDragmire
@FalenDragmire 6 ай бұрын
​@irekb8374 Well the whole point of Morrowind's story is are you the Nervarine because the prophecy says you are or are you the Nervarine because you fulfilled the prophecy?
@cowboycurtis4944
@cowboycurtis4944 6 ай бұрын
Exactly, it's deliberately ambiguous and that's a strength of the writing. Are you actually Nerevar's reincarnation or do you just meet the criteria? You can see it either way, which is great for role-playing flexibility.
@emilypumpkinseller
@emilypumpkinseller 6 ай бұрын
The part where he implied that you would go hurt Emil or something was shockingly inappropriate
@Huttakan
@Huttakan 6 ай бұрын
Never gets very upset when people criticize his ex- girlfriend's new boyfriend.
@DukePegasus
@DukePegasus 6 ай бұрын
lmao good one
@LS-jv9hp
@LS-jv9hp 5 ай бұрын
just wait for the star field videos going on about his girlfriends son
@cockatoofan
@cockatoofan 5 ай бұрын
the whole elder scrolls thing just sounds like its about first love to me. I don't think its unusual for that to not work out and to still reflect on it positively, emotions are amplified when you're younger after all. Its pretty cringe inducing as far as metaphors go, but other than that I feel like it'd be more worrying to be sore and jealous over someone you dated as a teenager
@jordangill291
@jordangill291 5 ай бұрын
Everyone of you are a bunch of creepy dopes who parrot YT opinions like npc's. You're desperate to get likes and validation from complete strangers who rant and ramble, who claim to "own" a youtube channel. the only people who's girlfriends have boyfriends on the side are yours because you're to busy directing death threats and hatred at videogame developers to be bothered acknowledging them. 😂😂😂😂
@TheYamiks
@TheYamiks 6 ай бұрын
when quoting something/ putting in video example, visually probably should put some kind of filter or visual to let the viewer know. i like putting old-film like filter & put on resonant filter SFX on audio to represent that. makes it a bit easier to distinguish between you and the clips you use (think you once did a simple B&W filter some time ago!)
@AnonymousAnonposter
@AnonymousAnonposter 6 ай бұрын
I still need to see your review of Snoozefield. 👌🏼
@Creetosis
@Creetosis 6 ай бұрын
I probably should have, yeah. I assumed just having B Roll of a different game for all my new narration would be enough.
@TheYamiks
@TheYamiks 6 ай бұрын
@@Creetosis speaking off....it would be a lot cooler to see more varied footage and editing with examples maybe too. Still, it was pretty clear how ...emotionally manipulative NeverKnows presented the whole issue... always from the high horse. YET he was right about you, creetosis, for slinging insults. Your points would have been stornger if you had refrained from them and simply insulted Emils ideas, BUT ....I can't blame you ether. Emil has been doing this for years.
@MLPDethDealr32
@MLPDethDealr32 6 ай бұрын
"Insults" aka someone has a different opinion. Ive called Emil out on his bs as well. Its called being a consumer. Emil works for Bethesda. He's the lead writer/designer of a product. if that Product is shit, we HAVE THE RIGHT to call them out for it. @@TheYamiks
@RedRust
@RedRust 6 ай бұрын
​@@Creetosis You are hard to distinguish when the video is on audio only (I'm listening at work)
@mister-x2
@mister-x2 6 ай бұрын
I can't believe I got tricked into listening to that cringe metaphor again. Curseee youuu videogame essayists!
@Creetosis
@Creetosis 6 ай бұрын
That cringe metaphor is one of the funniest fucking things I've heard in a while. You can't write something that pathetic, it's great!
@AnonymousAnonposter
@AnonymousAnonposter 6 ай бұрын
NKB is in an emotional relationship with Bethesda.
@Loromir17
@Loromir17 6 ай бұрын
The new rickroll of the very niche community
@kadalsaurus6232
@kadalsaurus6232 6 ай бұрын
inject that cuck metaphor straight to your veins
@MLPDethDealr32
@MLPDethDealr32 6 ай бұрын
NKB deleted a comment i had posted on that vid that flat out said you and i have the RIGHT to Call out Emil on his Bullshit when it comes to the games he wrote for. @@Creetosis
@Based_nobark
@Based_nobark 6 ай бұрын
Thank you Creetosis for making us watch Never's girlfriend metaphor again you'll be hearing from my therapist
@vivechjorviani5440
@vivechjorviani5440 6 ай бұрын
This man isn’t just barking he’s got bite
@felipearias5622
@felipearias5622 6 ай бұрын
​@@danieldelavega7605cuckoldry*
@firedog2820
@firedog2820 6 ай бұрын
Everytime I hear it I feel like a snail being salted 🥺
@nikoslav
@nikoslav 6 ай бұрын
>shorter than 8 hours wtf
@tentacledood5784
@tentacledood5784 6 ай бұрын
What a scam! Unliked, dissubscribed!!
@Josephryanbanks
@Josephryanbanks 6 ай бұрын
FUCKING LOL. his accusation of plagiarism is literally him saying, “HEY YOU SAID A SIMILAR PHRASE TO ME” thats so insanely stupid.
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 6 ай бұрын
It doesn't meet the definition of plagiarism. A single sentence isn't plagiarism. Then he took credit for "writing" that line, ROFL. It's delusional, right?
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
It's a common phrase too. It's like calling plagiarism when someone makes a famous quote you also made one time. The context isn't even the same.
@jashloseher578
@jashloseher578 6 ай бұрын
NKB also wrote his video a couple months after the Joker movie came out. Wonder where he ripped it off.
@psynque
@psynque 5 ай бұрын
Especially when that line is from a pretty well known scene from the most popular Batman movie.
@skepsisrollins1711
@skepsisrollins1711 4 ай бұрын
hbomber's guitarded video and its consequences will be felt for the next decade
@RealMajora
@RealMajora 5 ай бұрын
Your name is creetosis and you make video essays, clearly you are ripping off matthewmatosis.
@JCRascal14
@JCRascal14 2 ай бұрын
Another beloved creator, awesome reference.
@Runamoine
@Runamoine 6 ай бұрын
Yeah man it's totally 3 youtubers' fault that the only cultural currency starfield has is people talking about how it sucks I'd never heard of neverknowsbest before but that painful ex-girlfriend analogy makes me think that's probably for the best
@lennysmileyface
@lennysmileyface 6 ай бұрын
Funny how all Bethesda's games from Skyrim back have very positive reviews on Steam but Starfield is mixed. Must be the hate campaign it couldn't just be a mid game right?
@lordfarquaad8601
@lordfarquaad8601 5 ай бұрын
If Skyrim came out today, it'd have mixed reviews.
@ryszakowy
@ryszakowy 5 ай бұрын
@@lennysmileyface people were waking up to bethesda's incompetence since oblivion it was only a matter of time and dying fanboys until negative reviews started becoming more visible
@diegojose4173
@diegojose4173 4 ай бұрын
​@@ryszakowy For all of Fallout 3 and Skyrim's faults, they're still fun games for people that like open-world action RPGs but have little interest in role-playing. The fact that Starfield cannot be considered an open world game due to how it is structured meant that the limited Role-playing options, unexciting gameplay, poor worldbuilding, boring characters and the heavily outdated engine where put in the spotlight for all to see.
@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari
@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari 4 ай бұрын
@@diegojose4173so true. when i was a bit younger i absolutely loved beth fallout and elder scrolls. now that i'm a grownup i find it hard to ever want to boot up those titles again
@jordanleon9861
@jordanleon9861 5 ай бұрын
It really was a trap. When i got to the part where he said you cant handle criticism and he doubts you will with your response. So no matter how you respond he will say "oh hes acting like a child" or "haha i made him act mature".
@TheBreakingBenny
@TheBreakingBenny 5 ай бұрын
Who even are these people...
@Slickjitz
@Slickjitz 6 ай бұрын
Never has seemingly lost his mind recently. Used to like his stuff. It all started with his last video on bad games. That thing was also horrible.
@Sheevlord
@Sheevlord 6 ай бұрын
Oh boy. I haven't watched that one, but now my morbid curiosity makes me want to check it out. How bad is it?
@TheGamernews1
@TheGamernews1 6 ай бұрын
@@Sheevlordnot bad per say but l his points were overall very weak and rambley.
@Hero_Of_Old
@Hero_Of_Old 6 ай бұрын
I think all the creators are good, Patrician, Never Knows Best, Creetosis but they all have weaknesses. In all honesty, Never is probably my favourite. Sad to see them fighting though.
@arkeshn729
@arkeshn729 6 ай бұрын
​@@Hero_Of_OldDrama tends to drive up engagement. If we watch all of their response videos they all win.
@Slickjitz
@Slickjitz 6 ай бұрын
@@arkeshn729 in the short term, maybe. But this will hurt Never. I had to unsubscribe from his channel. The blatant misrepresentation and bad faith arguments in that video were just too much for me.
@ASTMVN
@ASTMVN 6 ай бұрын
In Emil's ramble he doesn't remember about the cult living in the concert hall with a quest and characters attached, but remembers the random Super Mutant Behemoth named Swan. Totally not indicative of his priorities as a writer.
@Creetosis
@Creetosis 6 ай бұрын
That quest, by the way, is the only quest _chain_ in the entire game that isn't connected to the main story.
@Mirthful_Midori
@Mirthful_Midori 6 ай бұрын
@@Creetosis It's also one of the few quests I have strong memories of. Not because it's good, but because an NPC failed to spawn and I literally had to use console commands in order to finish the damned thing.
@TheL0ngbeard
@TheL0ngbeard 6 ай бұрын
@@danieldelavega7605 for me, KZfaq: 4 replies, visible 4 (will be 5 with mine), namely Cree, Mirth, you about not loving F3,F4,ES4,ES5. and you about to not seeing replies which clearly can be seen. Sometimes youtube flags comments for confirmation, when they contain certain words, came across it before. oh and F4 didn't love, F3, ES5 loved though not for the writing.
@guerreiroazul3230
@guerreiroazul3230 6 ай бұрын
​@@danieldelavega7605Cree has criticized the writing of all the games you mentioned, you buffoon
@Fullmetalnyuu0
@Fullmetalnyuu0 5 ай бұрын
​@@TheL0ngbeardWhat the fuck are you talking about
@jimmietherustle3622
@jimmietherustle3622 6 ай бұрын
This is the second time I've been ambushed by NKB's cringe girlfriend metaphor because of Patrician. Damn you Cree
@Creetosis
@Creetosis 6 ай бұрын
Dude, it's one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.
@franzosisch5965
@franzosisch5965 6 ай бұрын
It was the third time by the end of this video. I curse you Creetosis. You better stub your toe later.
@jimmietherustle3622
@jimmietherustle3622 6 ай бұрын
@@Creetosis 3rd time. You did it again! Right at the end! I guess this is my karma for calling you a cartoon character.
@patchmoulton5438
@patchmoulton5438 6 ай бұрын
@@Creetosis It is funny, but good god does it hurt the soul as well.
@macalvand
@macalvand 6 ай бұрын
@@danieldelavega7605 Daniel De La Vega 7605, yet ... one Daniel.
@paloim
@paloim 6 ай бұрын
If I had a nickel for every time I had to bear that "skyrim=my waifu" analogy I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but I'm very upset it's happened twice.
@Jupa
@Jupa 6 ай бұрын
It’s ridiculous that being a bit mean and a bit rude now supposedly means ‘bad essayist’. People are soft as hell. They want everyone to fit into one character.
@cowboycurtis4944
@cowboycurtis4944 6 ай бұрын
Between 10 and 15 years ago, the internet was taken over by fucking pussies who couldn't handle mean words. The coddling of the internet has made most people soft.
@pw6002
@pw6002 6 ай бұрын
Ranting about "people" because they don't fit to your vision of an ideal humanity, and finishing with "They want everyone to fit into one character." This is self unawareness on a stratospheric level ! 😅
@AshBuddha
@AshBuddha 6 ай бұрын
@@pw6002this was the “gotcha” moment of the week for you huh
@pw6002
@pw6002 6 ай бұрын
@@cowboycurtis4944 Oh, so I am allowed to tell you that your comment may imply that you are full of sh.t ? C'mon, you won't take that bad, because you're no pussy, right, and you can handle mean words ? 😘
@Jupa
@Jupa 6 ай бұрын
@@pw6002 and like those people you need me to spoon feed what I’m specifically referring to; the Bethesda / gaming community. A hive mind of overtly sensitive pander speak, yet somehow always fighting. The moment someone comes in that’s a little more astute and frankly spoken, you’ll villainise them for “defamation”.
@vergara2049
@vergara2049 6 ай бұрын
A thing you didn't mention but is interesting to me is how people insist on the point on how "videogame projects have many people working for them, so it's unreasonable to put all blame on one person" as if that one person wasn't the lead writer and designer and so, in fact, the person ultimately responsible for narrative and design decisions and philosophy Of course he isn't the *only* responsible, but all criticism directed at him has been valid and well reasoned
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 6 ай бұрын
It's something NKB said in his own video right around the time he accuses Pat of defaming Emil. What NKB said is the equivalent of saying "The Rise of Skywalker sucks, but it's not the writer's fault, he's just a single person. It takes many people to make a movie!"
@kadalsaurus6232
@kadalsaurus6232 6 ай бұрын
im not sure what to gain for " dont blame one person (the one who in charge)" should we blame all the entity of the staff instead ? how to pinpoin the source of the problem then??
@alimiti7265
@alimiti7265 6 ай бұрын
​​@@kadalsaurus6232I don't see it that way. When someone does sth that another employee does not like, who gets to dictate what will be done? The person with higher rank. So everything about shitty writing is responsibility of the lead writer. If workplace was democratic sure, all employees or whatever they will be called are responsible but thats not the case. English is not my native language, so if I was vague or had fucked up grammar please point it out.
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 6 ай бұрын
@@alimiti7265, Your English failed you, for the person you're responding to agrees with you.
@alimiti7265
@alimiti7265 6 ай бұрын
@@aralornwolf3140 Maybe I was not clear enough. The way I see it all the other staff are irrelevant.
@Sheevlord
@Sheevlord 6 ай бұрын
I know this is not the point of this video, but hearing Emil speak about paper airplanes again reminded me of how out of touch he is. Maybe if his writing was better people wouldn't turn it into paper airplanes? When a game has good writing I can spend hours looking into medieval alchemical symbolism, Slavic mythology, European folklore and traditions of the Kam people just to figure out all the references to things that were mentioned in a game in passing. So Emil should blame the quality of his own work rather than gamers' habits.
@wisdomcoffee
@wisdomcoffee 6 ай бұрын
Yea it’s so weird because there had been so many story driven RPGs prior that proves him wrong. It’s confusing cuz how could he possibly not know that? Did he just never play any other RPGs? Or is he just lying? I feel gaslighted lol
@Nighterac
@Nighterac 6 ай бұрын
This is like the one person that SHOULDN'T be defended, and yet he is, it's so dumb lol
@DukeWooze
@DukeWooze 6 ай бұрын
Yeah see I don't get that paper planes comment either. It's like the guy is super petty and/or arrogant. He can't be that oblivious to other games with great stories fans talk about even decades after release. It doesn't make sense to me. And if he didn't want the players to make shacks, then why did he put them in the game in the first place? Talk about a severe lack of self awareness.
@Hegataro
@Hegataro 6 ай бұрын
There's also the element that, in spite of the fact that he's aware that players will ignore the story to do whatever, Bethesda still writes their stories to be extremely time sensitive and linear, so the player leaving to do whatever doesn't even make sense in the context of the storyline (post-Morrowind) Bethesda has had an issue with their writing back in Oblivion, too, with the "This player joinable faction's enemy is a faction that materializes only for this questline", which was before he was the lead writer. So that isn't entirely on him, but it's probably perpetuated by the way they document stuff now. And it just treats the player as an afterthought.
@moondiegordr
@moondiegordr 6 ай бұрын
I also think its his way to approach video games, he projects his behavior
@Rietto
@Rietto 6 ай бұрын
That cringe monologue comparing Elder Scrolls to a woman is going down in history.
@Hero_Of_Old
@Hero_Of_Old 6 ай бұрын
It was actually well written and clever, people are exagerating.
@ClarkKentai
@ClarkKentai 6 ай бұрын
​@@Hero_Of_OldHow clever could it be when he's the most pathetic party in his own metaphor?
@patchmoulton5438
@patchmoulton5438 6 ай бұрын
@@Hero_Of_Old When you cuckold yourself in your own analogy about a AAA producer and their products, something has gone very, _very,_ wrong.
@pestilentsleeper9152
@pestilentsleeper9152 6 ай бұрын
@@Hero_Of_Old I hear you're with another guy now
@platypipope328
@platypipope328 6 ай бұрын
​@@Hero_Of_Oldnice burner never
@theincrediblefella7984
@theincrediblefella7984 6 ай бұрын
Isn't is incredible that the things NKB claims people did to Emil is what he actually does to other people?
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
Funny that.
@felipearias5622
@felipearias5622 6 ай бұрын
​@@danieldelavega7605yes he has lmfao
@ivanasukjadic1423
@ivanasukjadic1423 6 ай бұрын
It's incredible that you are trying to compare two very different things. It's like you are saying putting someone in jail for committing murder is the same as committing murder, because in both cases someone's life gets ruined.
@theincrediblefella7984
@theincrediblefella7984 6 ай бұрын
​@@ivanasukjadic1423 this is an argument I would expect from a child. NKB lies, misrepresents points, and accuses people of borderline crimes for the sole reason that his precious writing idol was criticized. It's gay and pathetic. Your foolish arguments will cease, and you will refrain from interacting with me further. The damage to my braincells alone from hearing you speak is enough to sue.
@theincrediblefella7984
@theincrediblefella7984 6 ай бұрын
​My point is very simple. You are wrong, and I'll not waste my time on you. If you're too stupid to understand what I said then you're too stupid to talk to me. Move along. ​@@ivanasukjadic1423
@EnclaveEmily
@EnclaveEmily 6 ай бұрын
I like how he complains about misrepresentation but then makes a long video based entirely on him misrepresenting other people.
@omarsabir1210
@omarsabir1210 6 ай бұрын
Not really
@nothingwrong2293
@nothingwrong2293 6 ай бұрын
Hence the trap
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
​@@omarsabir1210You're right he's also defending Emil from valid criticism under the guise of being against harassment.
@helmepodesarius2198
@helmepodesarius2198 6 ай бұрын
@@nothingwrong2293classic double think spinning. Create a problem out of nothing and fill the video with inconsistencies to wear down the other party.
@kadalsaurus6232
@kadalsaurus6232 6 ай бұрын
@@danieldelavega7605 here you go champ - 3:01 NKB frame cree as self-style expert - 6:17 NKB misrepresent word "rambling" to just "act of speaking", ignoring the context to frame cree as dishonest - 10:29 NKB accuse Patriciantv for Plagiarism with no Concrete evidence - 13:12 NKB setting a bait to provoke cree - 15:39 - 17:49 NKB accuse cree removed the context from emil point when he himself editing out the context from emil & cree videos to make a point. - 19:20 NKB skip 30min video to frame cree misrepresent Emil 20:30 - 23:46 - 24:56 = cree clip when he making example about Themes - 26:03 NKB Lying about cree and didnt provide evidence - 27:45 - 29:51 NKB cutting out the context and accuse cree misrepresenting Emil - 31:10 , 31:45 & 32:51 NKB misrepresent cree and Misquote emil, then make stupid comparison - 34:14 NKB make the most stupidest interpretation of emil speech & didnt provide the actual Clip - 38:17 NKB ad hominem
@cookiebaker2660
@cookiebaker2660 6 ай бұрын
I was willing to give his video a chance because I wanted him to point out actual issues that channels he mentions have. The moment the shilling and twitter-defense began I knew that won't be it lmao
@todddouglas7231
@todddouglas7231 6 ай бұрын
Well the twitter defense didn't happen until the 1.7 hour mark, and I don't recall him ever shilling bethesda in the video (in fact he has been heavily critical of bethesda in the past) so what did you think of the first hour and a half of his video? You know, the section proving Patrician and Creetosis lied and slandered the guy because they are pissed they wasted their money on starfield? Criticize the guys writing. Don't make up lies about him. That was the point of Neverknows video and of course your lord and savior Creetosis ignored that entirely and instead his response was "Ewww cringe this guy is a bethesda shill obviously"
@lethaltoconcrete2194
@lethaltoconcrete2194 6 ай бұрын
What specific points in the video seemed like shilling for Bethesda to you? Because I didn't get that from it at all
@zk0rned
@zk0rned 6 ай бұрын
@@lethaltoconcrete2194 Defending Bethesda from genuine good faith criticism and attacking others for it is shilling but at the simp level it's a one sided shill relationship
@kylegonewild
@kylegonewild 5 ай бұрын
@@todddouglas7231 "You know, the section proving Patrician and Creetosis lied and slandered the guy they wasted their money on starfield" is not a thing that happened. I get that's what your impression was because you were already primed to dislike those people and are incapable of viewing this situation with nuance, but nobody "lied and slandered" Emil. I haven't watched Creetosis' video on Starfield but I did watch PatricianTV's and the worst you could claim is misattribution. Slander has a connotation and nothing Pat said at least rises to the level of that connotation. The blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy is not a good look for NKB and the points he's trying to make, and eating up that slop like a good little piggy doesn't look good for people parroting his dishonesty in the comments of people they don't watch. This was *nothing* but a drama piece from NKB to drum up impressions and should be treated with as much seriousness as drama pieces deserve. Which is none. But hey, it worked. It got you to come whine and make bold, stupid claims in the comments and that's good for this channel's metrics at least.
@lassilehtinen1
@lassilehtinen1 6 ай бұрын
Gaming Analysis Wars: A Emil Pagliarulo Story
@Baalur
@Baalur 6 ай бұрын
It's his magnum opus!
@crakhaed
@crakhaed 6 ай бұрын
😂
@theuzi8516
@theuzi8516 6 ай бұрын
All this time, he's just been too 5head for us and playing the meta game.
@kadalsaurus6232
@kadalsaurus6232 6 ай бұрын
@@Baalur Magnum Copus
@crimsongriffon4743
@crimsongriffon4743 6 ай бұрын
I dont think I've ever seen someone try to paint a game, or any piece of media for that matter, in a positive light through the lens of cuckoldry. I'll admit, it certainly is a unique approach.
@tentacledood5784
@tentacledood5784 6 ай бұрын
You barely even swore! How are they gonna compile clips to make you look angry now? 😢
@ZakeandZach
@ZakeandZach 6 ай бұрын
He's trying to be Hbomberguy and failing at it
@DenethorDurrandir
@DenethorDurrandir 6 ай бұрын
He's like the mirror universe version of Hbomber, instead of standing for what's right, he defends what's wrong.
@ZakeandZach
@ZakeandZach 6 ай бұрын
@@DenethorDurrandir I was actually planning on making a video on Hbomber for this reason. His video is well researched and well done, but he is inspiring copy cats like NeverKnowsBest who now think they are plagiarism experts.
@SunTzu176
@SunTzu176 6 ай бұрын
​@DenethorDurrandir that's just Hbomber guy though. He's a fat balding commie desperately grasping for relevance by going after bigger youtubers who don't traffic in his terminally online idpol
@madmorgo6233
@madmorgo6233 6 ай бұрын
​@@DenethorDurrandirholy sh!t lmfao
@joem.9256
@joem.9256 6 ай бұрын
Not that you would wanna be hbomberguy anyway
@CliveGlitch
@CliveGlitch 6 ай бұрын
It's so weird, so many obvious baits, I'm actually so curious whatever endgame NKB had in mind
@lunaangeleclipse9745
@lunaangeleclipse9745 6 ай бұрын
The vid by NKB has hundreds of thousands of views last I checked. So if his end goal was to farm engagement, he probably succeeded I guess?
@CliveGlitch
@CliveGlitch 6 ай бұрын
@@lunaangeleclipse9745 maybe, checking his patreon he also has some good income so maybe he wants attention for the sake of it, or he wants more money? I feel it's too risky though, but time will probably say why he did that.
@mister-x2
@mister-x2 6 ай бұрын
Capturing the Bethesda redditor audience. I can't imagine anyone else that would support that video.
@TheKindofTiredSleepCantFix
@TheKindofTiredSleepCantFix 6 ай бұрын
To try and revive his channel after youtube screwed him over by gutting his monetization and striking some of his videos. It's honestly really sad that he would stoop this low to try and recover. I unsubbed from his channel because of his drama bait video, but it looks like it worked since the video got so much attention.
@Nighterac
@Nighterac 6 ай бұрын
​@@mister-x2Yup and they all defended this video despite less than a week ago they were all bashing on Emil, so so two faced
@dksoulstice6040
@dksoulstice6040 6 ай бұрын
NeverKnowsBest acknowledges that Emil wrote Fallout 3 and Fallout 4's main stories but then also stated he isn't convinced Emil is a bad writer. That tells you everything you need to know, lol.
@theobell2002
@theobell2002 6 ай бұрын
It's completely irrelevant what he thinks about Emil's writing. The video is not about whether or not Emil is a good writer.
@madmorgo6233
@madmorgo6233 6 ай бұрын
Never is a better writer than Emil, so is Creetosis 🤔😅
@chilbiyito
@chilbiyito 6 ай бұрын
The video was about internet harassment
@lukasr1166
@lukasr1166 6 ай бұрын
@@theobell2002 Yet he defends Emils writing in the conclusion. That's my main issue. He in no way debunked the quality of Emil's writing being bad. He acts like everything he said somehow defends the quality of the writing when it in no way does. Everything else people have said about the design doc is an attempt to find the cause for why the writing is so bad. yet the conclusion remains the same regardless of causality, the writing is bad. He failed to debunk that point, when based on the conclusion, that is atleast one of the things he tried to achive with his video.
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
​@@theobell2002The criticism came from people weren't a good writer, I watched the whole video, and he consistently defended Emil's writing, even if that meant discrediting the criticism or making false claims.
@Hugsloth
@Hugsloth 6 ай бұрын
47:42 I can even give you a recent supporting example of Bethesda Fan Psychosis; some angry Starfield fans conspired to dox and then SWAT gaming youtuber Luke Stephens, for daring to not like the game. They actually dug up his PREVIOUS address which was then needlessly SWATted for NO reason.
@RagnarTheRed-x5s
@RagnarTheRed-x5s 6 ай бұрын
Yep and got some poor guy who is currently living there swatted.
@Kepesk
@Kepesk 6 ай бұрын
Hbomberguy unintentionally ruined the word "plagiarism" I guess. Since his vid, everyone is screaming it at each other.
@banzaiperson
@banzaiperson 6 ай бұрын
That’s probably how things will be for a few months before a new topic enters the scene for people to convert into a buzzword. Credit where it’s due, the main target of Hbomb’s plagiarism video seems to have stayed off the internet.
@Kepesk
@Kepesk 6 ай бұрын
​@@banzaiperson I think his video was great. But some people only learned a new way to attack others baselessly.
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 6 ай бұрын
HE didn't ruin it. It's quite clearly the people he talked about _were_ plagiarists. Somerton for instance, 60%+ of "his" words in many of his videos were stolen from other people... Some of whom never made a cent off of their work... in which Somerton was making tens of thousands a month with...
@PLpatriot999
@PLpatriot999 6 ай бұрын
he's a commie, that's what they tend to do: ruin everything
@Just_a_guy_from_Alabama
@Just_a_guy_from_Alabama 6 ай бұрын
​@@aralornwolf3140whether or not his examples were accurate is irrelevant to other people misusing the word to an absurd degree.
@dandilion1268
@dandilion1268 5 ай бұрын
"Great American Novel"? What an ego. Ironic point considering half the complaint of his stories is that the player is forced to sit through them.
@willr3891
@willr3891 6 ай бұрын
I love how supporters of NKB’s video call the subjects of it pseudo-intellectual armchair critics etc etc. As if NKB doesn’t do the exact same thing, however you want to call it. I like NKB’s content enough, but what he’s done here is pathetic and harmful.
@Nighterac
@Nighterac 6 ай бұрын
Hypocrisy is the name of the game I guess
@ivanasukjadic1423
@ivanasukjadic1423 6 ай бұрын
Harmful? Explain how it is harmful. Saying that people should stop bullying Emil and not lose their mind and swear like a deranged psychopath like Creetosis is not harmful.
@kaingates
@kaingates 5 ай бұрын
How is it harmful?
@kylegonewild
@kylegonewild 5 ай бұрын
@@ivanasukjadic1423 Nobody is bullying Emil and painting people you disagree with as "deranged psychopaths" as you put it is not exactly neutral to one's character. It may come as a shock to more delicate sensibilities but there actually are *a lot* of people who use and have no problem with expletives in common speech and don't see having emotional expressions from time to time as bad. If I stub my toe I'm not thinking "dilly o dally my wiggler sure is having a rough moment here throbbing in pain" my first thought is "ouch that fuckin hurt" followed by the universal human fury that something so mundane and unthreatening causing such sudden and intense pain. But hey, maybe I'm overthinking it and you meant deranged psychopath in the *positive* way. It's harmful to the ecosystem in which all of these channels exist to engage in such petty drama mongering. PatricianTV had the best response to this whole debacle imo. It shouldn't be engaged with. It's bait.
@derpro8125
@derpro8125 4 ай бұрын
@@ivanasukjadic1423 By lying about people like Creetosis he causes harm, and by getting exposed for it Never also caused harm to himself.
@bigblue344
@bigblue344 6 ай бұрын
Bethesda fans are a new level of insane
@Nighterac
@Nighterac 6 ай бұрын
What's even more insane is that NKB personally thinks Starfield is mediocre HIMSELF and he doesn't like the writing. Yet for some reason thinks one of the main reasons why it's so mediocre warrants defending??? Emil is literally the head writer and design director for Starfield, but NKB is acting like he's not? It's weird
@janosd4nuke
@janosd4nuke 6 ай бұрын
​@@Nighteracbecause he is not that much a blind Bethesda fan. But rather a cringe softie. It's not that he is content with Emil's writing prowess. But regardless of that he finds the viciousness of that criticism unjustified no matter who the target is. But here is the kicker, because of his emotional softness, he reads more malice into Creetosis' and Patricia's more jaded presentation style than there actually was. And because of that his 'rightful retribution' actually commits the behaviors he accuses others without even realizing it. All that from being a tonedeaf softie. Peak irony right there. At least that's my read on the situation. So TL;DR NKB doesn't defend Emil as a Bethesda fan, but as an SJW IMO.
@MLPDethDealr32
@MLPDethDealr32 5 ай бұрын
not to mention how pretentious NKB is at the end. Listen to how he worded that last part. He's acting like he's the one that can tell you or anyone else how to feel and act. "He's just a disappointed fan that over did it". WTF. @@janosd4nuke
@NikolaAvramov
@NikolaAvramov 5 ай бұрын
I'm a Bethesda fan. And I'm with Kreetosis and NKB's ridiculously dishonest.
@cockatoofan
@cockatoofan 5 ай бұрын
@@janosd4nuke I don't think the intention was to assess how much malice anyone specific intended. He did have issues with Creetosis' presentation and he clearly has a personal boundary for what to say as a joke or hyperbole, but the actual concern in the video was how the whole thing has snowballed into Emil being a scapegoat, not by any one persons actions, but as a consequence of interconnected media and how the viewers interact with it.
@YelloDello
@YelloDello 6 ай бұрын
Keep holding Emil and his writing team accountable Cree. People act like criticism will destroy the thing criticized, but the point is to get better media by pointing out flaws. Instead, Emil decided to deflect and blame others.
@KikyouNeko
@KikyouNeko 6 ай бұрын
Bethesda and its developers and most importantly Emil, go on their way to purposefully ignore crticism, they brand anything that isn't praising them as toxic behaviour... It's basically like this everywhere in western gaming industry. Show contempt for your consumers and act like your superior to them.
@domm6812
@domm6812 6 ай бұрын
Exactly this. If you don't criticise serious problems they'll likely never be fixed.
@Warui88
@Warui88 6 ай бұрын
If somebody wants to defend a bad game, cool. More power to them. If somebody wants to defend a bad game by peacefully responding to critics, cool. More power to them. If somebody wants to defend a bad game by attacking critics by being disingenuous, that's where we draw the line.
@zafelrede4884
@zafelrede4884 6 ай бұрын
To be fair to NeverKnowsBest, he's not defending Bethesda's games anywhere that i can see, he is just defending Emil from (alledged) personal attacks. It's the fact that he does it in such a hypocritical way that makes his video bad. 🤷‍♂
@NikolaAvramov
@NikolaAvramov 5 ай бұрын
@@zafelrede4884 To be fair to NeverKnowsBest, he's attacking people frustrated with a hack destroying good ilcences and slandering them and being manipulative, smug and trying to rouse a lynch mob against them.
@ExValeFor
@ExValeFor 5 ай бұрын
Nah, bad taste should have you shit on
@kauswekazilimani3736
@kauswekazilimani3736 5 ай бұрын
​@@NikolaAvramovBethesda destroyed the license. Without Emil we would still have the same shit.
@GeorgePerakis
@GeorgePerakis 5 ай бұрын
@@zafelrede4884 I honestly just do not see the point of his video. What did this one guy, this guy that was explicitly in charge of the writing in the worst written Bethesda games, do to earn such a staunch video in his defense? Even if his defenses were valid, it doesn't change the fact that he wrote these badly written games. Oh, right, Skyrim is this guy's wife or something, yeah, of course.
@redvenge709
@redvenge709 6 ай бұрын
Another issue I found with NKB's vid was his criticism of the first content creator. NKB goes to say that "no documentation" is a lie, and talks about Dev Wikis. So, I expect proof of a Bethesda Dev Wiki to disprove the "no design doc" claim. Instead, NKB presents a paragraph from an interview where Emil states "each director updates the documentation as they go along, but that information is always out of date. As a result, the game IS the documentation.". So, instead of "no documentation", in this interview, Emil strongly implies that documentation is "functionally useless" since it will be out of date, and you should just use the game itself as "documentation". For all intents and purposes "no documentation" and "functionally useless documentation" seems like a semantic difference, as they both will have the same result. Not sure this is the "gotcha" NKB presents it to be.
@Longknife
@Longknife 6 ай бұрын
NKB's take on things can basically be described as "dishonest technicalities." The example you name is PatricianTV claiming "no design document." However, PatricianTV does in fact actually acknowledge they seem to have some *form* of documentation, and I think it's clear for the general audience that what PatricianTV means is that Emil heavily gives off the vibe he undervalues such documentation. NKB then gives the least generous interpretation imaginable, refuses to read between the lines or try to interpret tone/intent, points at PatricianTV saying "no design document" despite PatricianTV himself admitting this is an exaggeration, and then runs with the absolute worst interpretation possible: that this is lying and defamation. It all just feels *tiresome.* It's like having a person in the room who doesn't understand sarcasm or can't read the room, so you constantly have to clarify what's meant...except not only do you have to constantly clarify for NKB, but he will also shout "bloody murder" and accuse you of all kinds of shit if your point isn't CRYSTAL. FUCKING. CLEAR.
@shira_yone
@shira_yone 6 ай бұрын
@@Longknife it's deliberate at this point. He accuse people of being "bad faith" towards Emil yet he is so blatantly doing the same thing on his targets, disgusting really.
@JaelaOrdo
@JaelaOrdo 6 ай бұрын
The fact that you reached out and he wouldn’t even respond shows that his only goal was to start drama to gain more attention for his channel.
@Kreozot2D
@Kreozot2D 6 ай бұрын
Judging by like to dislike ratio on his video, attention he did get
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
​@@Kreozot2DIn many ways that was inevitable, but the ratio does hint that things didn't go quite the way he wanted. Sure it has more likes than dislikes but not by much especially for a video defending Bethesda.
@puellabella3580
@puellabella3580 6 ай бұрын
I’m saving this video to listen to at work so I’ll watch, but how did he reach out? I saw him ask NKB on Twitter to talk but I wouldnt really count that considering his twitter activity implies he never uses it outside of video updates. Was any effort made besides that?
@GritterTheBuckethead
@GritterTheBuckethead 6 ай бұрын
@@danieldelavega7605 Quit spamming replies on other comments, and get used to not having other’s attention for a few hours.
@Longknife
@Longknife 6 ай бұрын
It's my reddit post he's talking about in the vid and I have very obvious comments on the vid and within his stickied comment. As of yet, no response on his end either. The most painful part is reading the comments that bought it. Y'know, "this just PROVES people blindly trust information fed to them without verifying! An entire hate campaign based on nothing!! Good job exposing it!" *OOF!* So close and yet so far for those people...
@spencer183
@spencer183 6 ай бұрын
NeverKnowsBest created a strawman and spent basically that entire section of the video about Creetosis trying (and failing) to make ad-hominems. Never is truly a master of debate.
@OuroborosChoked
@OuroborosChoked 6 ай бұрын
Oh, he's definitely a masterdebator. No doubt about that...
@Unclenose
@Unclenose 8 күн бұрын
@@OuroborosChoked A true masterbator...
@SMAXZO
@SMAXZO 6 ай бұрын
Oh God...hearing that guy's girlfriend metaphor...also "x is what you deserve" is a common expression and summation. How exactly is that plagiarism? Are folks gonna call people using common words arranged in specific order that's commonly used plagiarism now? Are we gonna say "making a video about the same subject I did" is plagiarism now?
@Unmanned_Vessel
@Unmanned_Vessel 3 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure "Making a video on the same subject I did is plagiarism" has been used quite some times already...
@ChaosZero.
@ChaosZero. 6 ай бұрын
He has somehow managed to come across as a bigger Bethesda shill than MrMattyPlays, that is honestly impressive.
@AnonymousAnonposter
@AnonymousAnonposter 6 ай бұрын
Modern KZfaq is mostly shills pushing each in desperation to be the one who will have the pleasure to lick the corporate boot. Notice how reddit loves to use the word "hater" as a means to protect the product or person they love so much and dismiss any criticism, since being critical is a bad thing and you must enjoy everything!
@morgan79737
@morgan79737 6 ай бұрын
TKS Mantis cited Starfield as Bethesda's "magnum opus", so Matty already had competition.
@AnonymousAnonposter
@AnonymousAnonposter 6 ай бұрын
@@morgan79737 TK-MANTIS always does the best he can to look like a soulless bug.
@dksoulstice6040
@dksoulstice6040 6 ай бұрын
@@morgan79737 TK does seem to shill Bethesda pretty hard these days lol.
@kotzpenner
@kotzpenner 6 ай бұрын
@@morgan79737 tbf when you watch his streams he's very often talking about how disappointed he is with Bethesda, especially Fallout 76
@xyxxanx9810
@xyxxanx9810 6 ай бұрын
Anyone else hate this typical "video-essayist" style of talking with ... it´s deliberatley ... slow and ... thoughtful tone with ... pointless pauses and ... overemotive language ... just so you can ... look really deep and ... philosophical.
@mathers000
@mathers000 6 ай бұрын
2x speed babeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
@65firered
@65firered 5 ай бұрын
A bit of a lesson from my speech class back in college. A clear thoughtful deliberate tone should still be your natural speech pattern. You... don't... need... to... slow... your... speech... Just speak deliberately. Sometimes you'll pause or take a moment to consider your words, but you can edit that out in a video.
@xyxxanx9810
@xyxxanx9810 5 ай бұрын
@@65firered I think what I dislike most about it, is that it is so clearly performative. There is a certain rythm and cadence to someone expressing their genuine thoughts and when someone goes through the effort of modulating their expression to such a degree, it always makes me doubt their intention.
@Shenaldrac
@Shenaldrac 5 ай бұрын
@@65firered "but you can edit that out in a video." Dunno man, that sounds an awful lot like _work..._
@dik4316
@dik4316 5 ай бұрын
It was that anime Super Wolf guy who started it. Willing to bet a like on it.
@editdotexe
@editdotexe 6 ай бұрын
I just can't get past the condescension and sense in superiority in NKB's voice, all while talking about Creetosis having "malicious intent" and "genuine hatred". I think it's said a bit too often, but it really sounds like projection.
@ivanasukjadic1423
@ivanasukjadic1423 6 ай бұрын
He isn't wrong. Creetosis gets extremely emotional and heated in his videos, shouting, cussing, and resorts to jeering at people the sake of jeering, like how he got angry at Emil for complementing Danish games in his speech. With the kind of audible anger in Creetosis voice and his lack of composure and the swearing, it can come across as a hatred for the things or people he criticises. He needs to learn to compose himself better.
@editdotexe
@editdotexe 6 ай бұрын
@ivanasukjadic1423 I said he's saying Creetosis has "malicious intent" and "genuine hatred" You said he isn't wrong, meaning Creetosis does have "malicious intent" and "genuine hatred" You then say "it can come off as hatred" which means it wouldn't be hatred, but might seem like it. That is contradictory and doesn't make sense, though cut out "he isn't wrong." And it's fine and maybe fair criticism.
@DukePegasus
@DukePegasus 6 ай бұрын
​@@editdotexe dont waste time on this guy, he watched NKBs video and all of a sudden he is an expert in creetosis' content.
@ProsecutorValentine
@ProsecutorValentine 6 ай бұрын
@@ivanasukjadic1423 oh my gosh, like totally, what a meanie! Ha!
@guitaroso
@guitaroso 4 ай бұрын
I'm new here - all I see is dog piling from creetosis fans and genuine explanations from NKB fans. Not sure if NKB has ever called for anyone to lose there job outside of this video lol
@dylanbell268
@dylanbell268 6 ай бұрын
Emil is a good level and quest designer, when he has a direction, but he’s a terrible writer, and shouldn’t be in charge like he is.
@SirFlashofRogue
@SirFlashofRogue 6 ай бұрын
I look forward to the day when “…if your response is longer than the actual *insert whatever here*, then you have no right to complain…” is retired. Then again, shills and liars are plentiful online, so I’ll keep dreaming.
@Shenaldrac
@Shenaldrac 5 ай бұрын
"If your response is longer than my attention span then _you're_ the loser, not me." -internet morons, circa 20XX
@SirFlashofRogue
@SirFlashofRogue 5 ай бұрын
@@Shenaldrac as has been said by Creetosis and others: it takes a lot more time to break down and explain points than it is to either simply agree, or to label and dismiss.
@Shenaldrac
@Shenaldrac 5 ай бұрын
@@SirFlashofRogueYup.
@saltyshrimppasta
@saltyshrimppasta 6 ай бұрын
I absolutely cannot believe you didn’t say “owl be the judge of that” before getting into the video
@tentacledood5784
@tentacledood5784 6 ай бұрын
To be fair, he's since turned into a goat...
@saltyshrimppasta
@saltyshrimppasta 6 ай бұрын
@@tentacledood5784 then he could’ve said “oh you’ve GOAT to be kidding me dude”
@tentacledood5784
@tentacledood5784 6 ай бұрын
@@saltyshrimppasta YES
@saltyshrimppasta
@saltyshrimppasta 6 ай бұрын
@@tentacledood5784 honestly people would’ve probably been like “oh he’s Canadian” and let it slide
@JasonX909
@JasonX909 5 ай бұрын
@@saltyshrimppasta That's the issue I think. He couldn't say any of that without immediately apologizing for it, so he had to cut it out
@mattomanx77
@mattomanx77 6 ай бұрын
Good god that man is romantically into a *videogame* and is saying that *others* should grow up.
@MidlifeCrisisJoe
@MidlifeCrisisJoe 6 ай бұрын
That's just a metaphorical tool he used for one video. Trying to pretend like it's real is needlessly obtuse. NKB is being a bitch with his video, but don't pretend he's a psychotic when he's actually manipulative and deceptive and cynical.
@ThirdLegionBestLegion
@ThirdLegionBestLegion 6 ай бұрын
Christ that ending, I haven't cringed like that in a long, long time.
@pantonearqm2791
@pantonearqm2791 6 ай бұрын
This TES metaphor... I don't have words to explain how wrong it is. Why would he insult himself like that? I can't help but feel bad for him.
@AlbedoAtoned
@AlbedoAtoned 6 ай бұрын
One thing I noticed from the last video he did about bad games was that whatever merit his points had throughout the video went out the window the second he started to make the video a defense piece for Gollum and other bad if not outright scam games. This lets you know that whenever there is any sort of conflict between corporations in gaming and consumers, NKB will likely always side with the corporations, even when there is clear deception going on. To him, it doesn't matter if a game comes out that is unfinished, buggy, or even a scam, in his eyes it is okay because people got some laughs from youtube videos mocking it and because some stores offer refunds. But of course, his video largely lamented the fact that people seemed to make fun of bad games to begin with, that videos that showed bad games tended to do better than ones that showed good games, and his conclusion was basically a pseudo intellectual ramble that painted gamers as not realizing that devs are people and himself as being above all of it.
@mangolaplom874
@mangolaplom874 6 ай бұрын
How one could even defend the gollum game😂
@TheL0ngbeard
@TheL0ngbeard 6 ай бұрын
Damn, I have that video among things I want to watch, but it seems I will first have to find a barn big enough to house that high horse NKB rides in on...
@DukeWooze
@DukeWooze 6 ай бұрын
What I don't understand is, why did Emil say the paper airplanes line to begin with? There are countless examples of games with great stories that people talk about all the time. There are games decades old that people still to this very day talk about. Fallout 1 for example. Where did he get this mentality? People praised him for the Dark Brotherhood quest. I don't really remember how much criticism he got from Skyrim, but it couldn't have been that much to get this bothered by players. It's like this is some kind of last word revenge against players for daring to tell him his stories are bad. I can't believe this is the case because there is no way some one is that petty. There has to be something missing here.
@bigblue344
@bigblue344 6 ай бұрын
Because he thinks his story writing is some top tier fiction but never gets any credit because of "internet trolls", therefore he is just extremely bitter about it. A lot of artists who have huge ego's think like this.
@DukeWooze
@DukeWooze 6 ай бұрын
@@bigblue344 Is that really it though? I'm thinking that too simple of an explanation. Not saying you're wrong though. I just can't wrap my head around the fact someone being that petty and arrogant. Seems like room temperature IQ behavior.
@guerreiroazul3230
@guerreiroazul3230 6 ай бұрын
​@@DukeWoozethat's because Emil has a room temperature IQ, so his behavior reflects that.
@mangolaplom874
@mangolaplom874 6 ай бұрын
How about incomporated player choices as part of the story itself
@DukeWooze
@DukeWooze 6 ай бұрын
@@mangolaplom874 I'm guessing he just wanted to make a linear story where the player has to follow through it step by step.
@brodieorr5393
@brodieorr5393 4 ай бұрын
Damn the joker really plagiarised nine inch nail's head like a hole with the get what you deserve line
@shan_2933
@shan_2933 6 ай бұрын
I genuinely wonder if this is actual bait or he is just blinded over those sweet bathesda games he loved and so gets hurt everytime someone is a bit mean.
@shan_2933
@shan_2933 6 ай бұрын
I have watched some of his videos before (elden ring, genshin and the bad video game one) and though I don't really agree with his conclusions, he still doesn't come off as malicious just like any critique should be, this one is just like huhh...
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
Both.
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
@@shan_2933 It's... certainly different, I'll give him that. He went from pretty chill to trying to gaslight an entire community.
@derpro8125
@derpro8125 4 ай бұрын
@@shan_2933 I've watched his previous gaming critiques in the past as well, and I'm very surprised by this hitpiece he made. Never thought he was that spiteful towards other creators like him.
@harv3034
@harv3034 6 ай бұрын
This was the best possible way to respond to disingenuous “criticism”. Calmly, and clearly proving (with receipts)that every accusation was BS!
@infernoeagles5812
@infernoeagles5812 6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 no we want dirty slutty comments about how never knows best is a fucking cuck and got fucked so good by Bethesda that all he wants is one last touch of the 🐓🌭
@EmperorAmbrose
@EmperorAmbrose 6 ай бұрын
It’s crazy what some people will do for an ounce of attention online.
@tentacledood5784
@tentacledood5784 6 ай бұрын
Everything for a drop of clout
@Gyrfalcon312
@Gyrfalcon312 6 ай бұрын
"C[lout] is a Hell of a drug."
@Gorvinhagen
@Gorvinhagen 6 ай бұрын
You guys are so stupid. Everything has to be clout-chasing or attention seeking, eh? Nevermind that Never has literally 10x the subs of Creet. By your logic, Creet must be clout-chasing by making a video response. Seriously, y'all fuckin' braindead.
@Hero_Of_Old
@Hero_Of_Old 6 ай бұрын
I mean, he never came across that way but the video was quite suprising from him
@65firered
@65firered 5 ай бұрын
I don't think this is for attention, I think this is revenge for criticizing Emil.
@kotzpenner
@kotzpenner 6 ай бұрын
Damn, I was offered his video but couldn't watch after like 10 minutes, the Bethesda apologism was gut wrenching
@n.b.4409
@n.b.4409 6 ай бұрын
Depends on what the comment said.
@OriaxHeloth
@OriaxHeloth 6 ай бұрын
@@danieldelavega7605 KZfaqrs should do whatever the hell they want on their channels lol. "b-but muh freedums of speech".
@kotzpenner
@kotzpenner 6 ай бұрын
@@danieldelavega7605 yeah seen that too
@hydrophobia936
@hydrophobia936 6 ай бұрын
Perhaps you shouldn't use words and phrases that Google doesn't like, and you won't have your dumb comment automatically deleted by KZfaq.​@danieldelavega7605
@KingDaveth
@KingDaveth 4 ай бұрын
I honestly don't see what's wrong with saying Emil rambles. Because he fucking does lmao
@Russian_engineer_bmstu
@Russian_engineer_bmstu 4 ай бұрын
Because that's complaining and could hurt his feelings And God FORBID you hurt feelings of a billion dollar company management
@alessandromartins78
@alessandromartins78 6 ай бұрын
I used to watch his content, until that Cyberpunk video. Dude basically created his own reality to be a CDPR shill and blame disappointed costumers. Glad that CDPR heard the rightfully disappointed fans instead of the shill youtuber and worked hard to make it right.
@Nighterac
@Nighterac 6 ай бұрын
Guess he has a habit of blaming fans, huh. No wonder Reddit likes him now. It's the big bad nasty icky fans that are the problem, not me!!
@domm6812
@domm6812 6 ай бұрын
The cult of positivity ....there's a growing part of the population who will tolerate no negativity at all, especially if it's directed at the things they worship, and they will lash out at the complainant rather than consider any merits of the critique.
@lennysmileyface
@lennysmileyface 6 ай бұрын
@@domm6812 Yeah I have definitely noticed the same. Comes across so pathetic as if they are emotionally hurt by criticism of anything. I am a game developer myself and if I release a game I want to get criticism in order to improve.
@zafelrede4884
@zafelrede4884 6 ай бұрын
@@danieldelavega7605 Where did you get the idea that this was about Emil?
@zafelrede4884
@zafelrede4884 6 ай бұрын
@@danieldelavega7605 The discussion you posted your comment under was about NeverKnowsBest's content on KZfaq, not Emil.
@Heyoka86
@Heyoka86 6 ай бұрын
Imagine bootlicking Bethesda and Emil... I'm glad ppl like Patrician, Creetosis and PrivateSessions have for years rung the alarm regarding Bethesda's sellout and decline. After Morrowind, Bethesda stopped making RPGs, dumbing their games down further and further just to appeal to the lowest common denominator in order to sell more copies, and I'm glad they kept being called out. Why would anyone simp for those sellouts.
@matthewcarroll2533
@matthewcarroll2533 6 ай бұрын
Summed up my thoughts on the matter pretty nicely, thank you. It's wild that people like this even exist, let alone think they can infringe upon someone else. lol Wild, and sad.
@Exxy6965
@Exxy6965 6 ай бұрын
Congrats, you didn't watch Never's video. Ironic, because that's exactly what he's talking about - misinformation online.
@tannermcintosh1071
@tannermcintosh1071 6 ай бұрын
​@@Exxy6965 congrats your braindead
@zzz11zz44
@zzz11zz44 6 ай бұрын
​@@Exxy6965you and you buddies comment the same thing over and over again and think that "you did not watch the video" makes you intellectually superior to comment you reply to. Why dont you bring up an argument instead of copypasting, you bot?
@zzz11zz44
@zzz11zz44 6 ай бұрын
​@@Exxy6965from what I see, from yours perspective he's purposely misrepresented everyone in video so they will feel how it is? And so if he did, did those who he targeted actually did misrepresented anything at all? Why dont you argue anything that creetosis debunked in his video? What's your endgame?
@DukePegasus
@DukePegasus 6 ай бұрын
never thought i would see the day where NeverKnowsBest of all people calls Creetosis a "low quality youtuber" lmao
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 6 ай бұрын
NeverKnowsBest messed up his video by insinuating that what was said regarding Emil's practices was defamation worthy... it's not. Even if he's using some other documentation system, it's _not_ working as his games are filled with bad, and at times, self-contradictory writing. Taking what he, Emil, has said and telling others "since he doesn't like documentation, this explains why the games he's been the lead writer of are so bad"... is a logical conclusion. Not defamation. I suggest, if you haven't for this video, explain to NKB what the legalities regarding "defamation". A few years back, Jams Tullos made a video "F@scism in Sci-fi"... in that video he outright accused David Weber _and_ Steve White to be White Nationalists who want all Muslims to be killed. One part of his "evidence" for this claim is his other claim that since the novel _The Shiva Option_ was published 5 months after 9/11, they got together on 9/12 to begin writing the novel. Anyone who was paying attention and knew anything about publishing, knew James was talking out of his ass using ridiculous, and outright false, claims to support his other claims. I e-mailed Mr. Weber himself, and we've concluded that suing Mr. James wouldn't be worth it. Partially because Mr. Weber would need to prove what James said was damaging and partly, all James needs to do is say "oops, sorry" and remove the explicit comments about Mr. Weber and Mr. White. He can still have his opinions about the _novels_ and how the novels, in his opinion, have pro-fascist and pro-genocide messaging, all without mentioning the author's intent. Thus, the accusation is _implicit_ instead of explicit. *Shrugs* Taken together, NKB should apologize for accusing people of _defaming_ Emil and for protecting a _senior_ member at Bugthesda who can't write well, or recognize good writing.... which are his job as _Leader Writer._ Edit: He, NKB, should also apologize for defaming people too.
@zombiehater6547
@zombiehater6547 6 ай бұрын
I remember that James Tullos video on fascism in sci-fi. It was really bad, I like his videos but, good lord, that one was just terrible.
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
@@zombiehater6547 He has TERRIBLE takes, it's a complete toss-up with him. One day he's hating on anime and the people who like it, the next he's making a video about how to write better harems.
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 6 ай бұрын
@@zombiehater6547, A terrible video on which half the comments pointed out how wrong he is about... every novel he mentioned. The other half were praising him for the "quality" of the video he made. *Shakes Head* I gave up on James after 3 weeks of him _not_ retracting the very obvious BS he spouted from his behind. _I_ gave a detailed refutation of his points for three of David Weber/Steve White novels I read. I then got lucky and found the fourth (Insurrection) at the book store within a week. Once I read it, I had more information on how to refute the rest of his BS. *Shakes Head* I still can't believe the BS James Tullos thought he could get away with. The very obvious lies he made about the novels. How it was obvious he was adding to the definition of Fascism as he went along to cudgel the authors, because he couldn't argue how that section was supposed to be Fascism otherwise. The obvious defamation he made regarding the authors, supported by very obvious lies. The obvious self-contradictions he made. Sure, it might have only been obvious to the people who _read_ the novels... but it should be taken for granted that people in his audience would have read the novels themselves before he talked about them. Especially since many of the novels were out for over 10 years at that point in time. I don't tolerate people who lie about basic facts. I don't tolerate people who refuse to acknowledge their lies when called out. James Tullos is a liar. The world is better off if we don't give him the time of the day, let alone the $$$ he is making from said lies.
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
@@aralornwolf3140 Don't watch his streams. Just... trust me. I wasn't in his BGS3 stream for more than an hour before he started saying some things he knows he can't get away with saying in his videos, which is probably why they are unlisted/privated.
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 6 ай бұрын
@@65firered, As I said, I gave up on him 3 weeks after his video was out. Which was back in 2020. All you've said just means he's gotten even worse... his fans don't care about his lies. *Sigh*
@Ark1437
@Ark1437 5 ай бұрын
Yep, I agree with you on this. It's unfortunate that NKB's very message about not attacking/mischaracterizing an individual whether or not you have legit criticisms is contradicted by his own ego. Whether he realizes it or not, taking you, PatricianTV, Zaric Zhakran, and Asmongold out of context to make his point creates a level of hypocrisy that puts his entire video into question. While the message itself is sound, the fact he didn't even censor the name of the Reddit poster (who he thought was likely a child) then made a very low effort comment that he'd ban people for harassing this individual shows he was either very lazy or was fine with people attacking them since he has no way of knowing who among his commentors were to do it. The people who have decided to go to the youtubers mentioned to attack/mischaracterize them in their comment sections have missed the entire point of NKB's video themselves, showing their own hypocrisy when they start calling everyone liers, losers, etc. It's why I wish that if NKB hadn't meant for the harrasment to happen, he would instead have taken everyone's full arguments without naming any single person, replied to each one they had against Emil, and showed that whether or not he agreed with them that none of these criticisms justify attacking of any single individual. As I mentioned before, I do think the message itself is fine as I don't think character assassination is a good way of getting points across if all someone wants is a better product. I think everyone can agree that death threats are the dumbest way for anyone to try to get what they want too, especially when it comes to trying to critique something. Plus it's just uncreative if you're trying to troll, at least show some effort if all you're looking for is a rise out of people. Unfortunately, NKB seems to have gone down a rabbit hole of youtube drama in an attempt to defend Emil and cowardly jab at a few people he personally disliked. He may not have used vitriol himself but knowingly or not, he used his audience as a loaded weapon and fired them at each person he named in his video. People sent over from NKB will try to justify their actions by claiming it's karma for the "vitriol / lies" these youtubers used against Emil but that's just an excuse for mob mentality and childish behavior.
@BalaDeSilver
@BalaDeSilver 6 ай бұрын
In trying to defend Emil in such bad faith, he ended up worsening the situation a lot... I really couldn't imagine a worse defense of someone that actually had a point and undermined its own point...
@BalaDeSilver
@BalaDeSilver 6 ай бұрын
@@danieldelavega7605 I suppose I worded it really poorly. NKB tried to defend Emil (which I kinda agree with, I'd rather blame Bethesda than one dude doing his job), but did it in so bad faith, with bad arguments and fallacies, trying a smear campaign against other creators, that he made the situation so much worse for everyone, it's kinda sad. I do believe there was a point there, but no one is gonna listen to it now.
@probablythedm1669
@probablythedm1669 6 ай бұрын
​@@BalaDeSilver Yeah, laying it all on Emil as one guy as the cause of everything wrong in a team of hundreds is a bit much. Emil does hold a leadership role, but the whole team makes bad stories and need to do better or all change what they do. People need to lay off the online hate on Emil, when Berhesda Softworks as a whole is underperforming. But the critique of their and his work is fair! However, the defense against online hate directed at Emil is lost with NKB's poor attempt at a defense...
@Longknife
@Longknife 6 ай бұрын
@@probablythedm1669 Here's the thing: NKB cites a Polygon interview with Emil, where according to Emil, *yes, it is 100% correct to assume Emil holds a lot of responsibility for the writing.* Grain of salt, because maybe Emil is just terrible at conveying information, but Emil portrays the writing process as such: -Core concepts and lore are done solely by him, the art director and Todd Howard -By the nature of the art director having a different job (visuals), most of the story and writing ideas are him and Todd Howard bouncing ideas off each other. -Emil claims that for Starfield, the core lore, main quest, main storyline, main conflicts, main factions and main locations are basically things he and Todd dreamed up -He then goes on to describe the implementation as though he gives the other writers their orders and key notes on what he wants and supervises that implementation. It sounds as though the other writers can provide feedback of course, but Emil very much presents an image where he *DOES* have immense sway and responsibility. -Should also be noted Ex-Bethesda employees have stated Todd became less available over time. That Emil has such a direct and constant line to Todd again suggests Emil may practically be 2nd-in-command on the team. (alongside the art director) 100% it's never the fault of one person, but even if we look at Emil's role according to Emil, it is incredibly, *incredibly* hard to absolve him of any guilt with the storylines turning out bad. I'd also like to add that it's my reddit post NKB critiqued, and you can look it up right now: there's an entire snippet at the end about how not all blame should go to Emil and people shouldn't make things personal. NKB conveniently leaves this out. Point being: I don't think anyone is TRULY saying Emil is the sole problem (at worst, sometimes people speak in a hyperbolic manner, but not literally), and the extent to which this is a problem seems exaggerated by NKB, while Emil's responsibility and sway within the team gets downplayed.
@probablythedm1669
@probablythedm1669 6 ай бұрын
@@Longknife oh, yes, in case I wasn't clear: I agree with the critique levied at Emil for the quality of his work. It's not good, even compared to games not known for their story. Elder Scrolls lives of the writing done by the writers and designers of Daggerfall (which build of Arena) and the first two Fallout games. It's only been getting simplified since then and now it's just nonsense. Their worlds have become themeparks where the verisimilitude is lost the moment one stops to think about what one is mindlessly consuming. As a fan since Daggerfall, I've reached the point where I can't stomach the writing anymore and I am 100 % in agreement that their writing needs to drastically improve, along their overall design, because their formula has lost much of its magic by becoming what feels (to me) like a shallow content treadmill. I don't hate Emil, I want him to prove me wrong! But his work has not improved since Oblivion, and it was only passable back then. It no longer passes. It's been 18 years! Amateur writing was already really dated back in 2006 and is absolutely substandard by todays quality. Emil needs to do better or hire professional writers and let them do the majority of the writing while he acts as a team leader and keeps the work coherent and on schedule, as good managers do. This "one guy at the top makes all the decisions"-thing does not work for even a team of a few people, it only holds them back. I think he needs to decide to be a manager or be a writer, and stop trying to do both. From an outside perspective it seems like it is clearly not working for a studio of that size! TL;DR: You must evolve or die, Bethesda Softworks.
@zk0rned
@zk0rned 6 ай бұрын
@@probablythedm1669 Emil is an asshole and he's literally the headwriter he has the say of what is written and who works under him he isn't just "one guy" he's a guy in a leadership role with a lot of power and say and influence, he's also the guy that decided to get rid of design documents from being used and it absolutely fuckin shows with how disjointed everything is not just the writing even the fucking guns feel like they were incoherently made by people playing a game of telephone to tell each other what the guns are supposed to look like
@Erexos
@Erexos 6 ай бұрын
this whole situation is so frustrating bc up until he posted that video I actually enjoyed multiple of NKB's videos, primarily his older CRPG videos and recent Final Fantasy one, but after this whole faux-drama he kickstarted I can't enjoy his content anymore
@BusesAreFatCars
@BusesAreFatCars 6 ай бұрын
Never used to make good videos. Though in his previous one on criticism of bad video games I've noticed he has started to sound like GDELB. In both tone and writing style. Ego seems to have become a problem for him. On this recent video in a pinned comment he specifically blames the dislikes on Asmongold covering his video. Not on the chance that he could possibly have gotten anything wrong.
@kadalsaurus6232
@kadalsaurus6232 6 ай бұрын
neverknowbest is GDELB incarnate
@Superschokokeks
@Superschokokeks 6 ай бұрын
Gdelb is something we should always strife towards. Darrk souls
@nas5276
@nas5276 Ай бұрын
Pardon my ignorance but what does GDELB stand for?
@BusesAreFatCars
@BusesAreFatCars Ай бұрын
@@nas5276 Game Developers Essentials Lessons Book is a series of satirical videos by the KZfaqr Mauler, where he makes fun of the ridiculous things video game essayists have said.
@nas5276
@nas5276 Ай бұрын
@@BusesAreFatCars Ahhh. I remember seeing Mauler in a few vids where he was invited. I'll definitely subscribe to him.
@dyliokhan3946
@dyliokhan3946 6 ай бұрын
NKB really lives up to his name and a Hbomberguy MATN wannabe. Also he’s a coward for deleting comments that criticize him
@csam9167
@csam9167 6 ай бұрын
When Never Shill Best started his video talking about pat i was sure that he was gonna get grilled , but when i saw you where mentionned ? I knew that he would be lucky to not have an 8 hour video on his back
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 6 ай бұрын
It's only 53 minutes... so I take it he _is_ lucky.
@csam9167
@csam9167 6 ай бұрын
@@aralornwolf3140 It could have gone way worst since NKB video was all about him trying to stay factual while crying
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
@@aralornwolf3140 To be fair, this isn't the STAG.
@yosawin3018
@yosawin3018 6 ай бұрын
For someone whose channel is called NeverKnowBest, I expect him to be more considerate when it comes to interpreting something but this guy just had to get out of his way to misrepresent people just to get attention, Oh well. But as stupid as it is, this idiocy is at least more engaging than anything Emil has written since his that one Oblivion questline.
@kinghoodofmousekind2906
@kinghoodofmousekind2906 6 ай бұрын
While having favouritisms and biases may be understandable, there's also a moment when one has to admit a piece of media is too flawed. I still enjoy 'broken' things, like the Hobbit trilogy or Wolfenstein 2009, but there's a limit to everything.
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
I like Watch_Dogs 2... But I am FULLY aware of what it is, how bad it is, and that I like it for a different reason than intended. I certainly wouldn't go to bat for it, which is something I have always wondered, why go so hard to defend something not worth defending? At least if the game is good I can understand even if I completely disagree, but this game had the fanboys jump ship.
@coeal2680
@coeal2680 6 ай бұрын
This dudes coming off as an abused housewife... You insulted my god, have a defamatory hot video. I dont know who this guy is but man.. its bad. Creetosis, i support you in this. I was very angry about Starfield. Admittingly being a bugthesda fanboy until that point. And while there are plenty of vids out there attacking Bethesda and/or Starfield, and likely wise defending, you are the only one i found that was non-offensive, non targeting breakdown of the problem. Granted, the vid i found wasnt anything to do about Starfield. It was the vid on Emil. Which i followed up with your in detail breakdown of Fallout. And, it just clicked. All the problems Bethesda has just clicked. The rumors from the recently fired workers that Todd is a workplace tyrant, that the writing team is crippled. Hell, even public faces like Pete just not giving a fuck. Everyone put thier chips on CDProjectRed. I put mine on Bethesda. Seems we all lost the bet
@vitterling
@vitterling 6 ай бұрын
I lost all faith in Never when he thought Elden Ring was a bad game because it let him accidentally wander into high level areas and get his ass kicked.
@Soapy-chan
@Soapy-chan 6 ай бұрын
did he say the game is bad or that he didn't like it because of that?
@vitterling
@vitterling 6 ай бұрын
@@Soapy-chan It's been an age in youtube terms so I don't remember the wording, and I do not intend to rewatch it, but the way I remember it his opinion was that the game world was badly designed because he failed to read which area would be (too) high level for him. His reasoning made absolutely no sense to me, based on his examples, and I closed out of the video.
@Soapy-chan
@Soapy-chan 6 ай бұрын
@@vitterling Ah I see, thanks for the clarification, that is pretty stupid of him
@lethaltoconcrete2194
@lethaltoconcrete2194 6 ай бұрын
@@Soapy-chan That was a criticism, among others. His argument wasn't that Elden Ring was bad, though. It was that it was overrated and not necessarily an improvement on previous Souls games
@Soapy-chan
@Soapy-chan 6 ай бұрын
@@lethaltoconcrete2194 i see
@oivanurminen8946
@oivanurminen8946 6 ай бұрын
PatricianTV: 20 minutes Creetosis: 1 h Let's see who makes the longest retrospective about this thing. Neverknowsbest leads with 2 hours.
@Kira-ji2ft
@Kira-ji2ft 6 ай бұрын
wait until NKB misrepresents these responses with a ton of condescending filler in between in his next video.
@tentacledood5784
@tentacledood5784 6 ай бұрын
We're just lucky MauLer wasn't involved
@ESPorygon
@ESPorygon 6 ай бұрын
Glad to see you decided to make a response. Never's video showed up in my recommendations after I watched a few Starfield critiques the other day... I'd thought it might be interesting to hear a counterargument, but the further I got into the video the more apparent it became that he was just doing exactly what he was accusing others of. I think I made it as far as the "call to action" line before I stopped watching entirely. Never knows exactly what he was doing there, lobbing an accusation like that... so many times in the video, you can just hear the wink he's giving the audience in his voice as he feigns innocent intentions. What a slimy video. I'm sure it will resonate with a lot of diehard Bethesda fans who are mad about Starfield's reception and looking for reasons to dismiss the backlash against Emil's statements as coming from "toxic New Vegas fanboys" or whatever, but hopefully at least some percentage of viewers will see through it.
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
Well, the name of his channel checks out. After watching part of the original video before hand, I have a theory. I believe he is trying to proactively discredit any creator that has negatively talked about Emil to appeal to Bethesda fans and promote his upcoming Starfield critque. Getting ahead and making any negative video about Starfield or Emil seem dishonest by default. I do not for a minute honestly believe he is doing what he claims and defending Emil from unwarranted backlash, but I do think he's trying to even the odds so to speak.
@franzosisch5965
@franzosisch5965 6 ай бұрын
He might just be this unhinged. In his final statements to Cree her stated that what he says is truth. Making a statement like that is just... yikes.
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
@@franzosisch5965 He's clearly not very good at this, hence the dishonesty. I don't think he's unhinged, just lost. Things aren't going the way he wants them to so he's gotten desperate and wants to drum up drama to get attention.
@mangolaplom874
@mangolaplom874 6 ай бұрын
​@@65fireredthe amount of bethesda Shill that come out the woodwork after NKB video, think they finally got proof and Reason to hate and dicredits Cree and Pat is just Disheartenibg
@RagnarTheRed-x5s
@RagnarTheRed-x5s 6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry but Emil put himself in this situation with his twitter rant. The dude posted a series of arrogant and out-of-touch tweets and of course the internet responded. The tweets were made worse by how BGS was responding to negative reviews of their game. People would respond the same way to anyone they bought a product from who answered their criticism in such a way. As Asmon said, people don't care about excuses for a subpar product. They just want what they spent their money on to be good. Saying your customers just don't understand how hard your job is will never be well received. Everyone works hard at their job.
@spouwnerring
@spouwnerring 5 ай бұрын
NeverKnowsBest reminds me a lot of PrisonMateLuke in this situation. PML was a commentary KZfaqr who crew to over 100k subs within a year, however he ended up being undone, because of his stupidity and maliciousless. He made bunch of faulse claims against people and - just like NKB in this situation - showed evidence on screen that directly disprove those statements he made. Here is an example: PML and a KZfaqr who he victimized called Hopeless Peaches were having a conversation in Twitter DMs. In his video, PML acused HP of being extremely hostile, agressive and unhinged, however if you were to pause the video and read the screenshots he took you can easaly tell that HE was the 1 being hostile, agressive unhinged and even clueless at the statments that HP made in that convo and not her. Keep in mind that he also acused her of suicide-baiting her audience and when he got called out on it he backpeddled by stating that he actually was acusing her of sympathy-baiting. BTW, HP almost commit suicide over the insane amount of harresment she recieved, but was talked out it.
@blzrdadomin8tr
@blzrdadomin8tr 6 ай бұрын
I really don't get it, I like NeverKnowsBest's videos. But his attempt to go after other people who comment on video games is just.......weird and frankly makes me question if I actually did like his videos and didn't just find his voice soothing enough to fall asleep to.
@dragonman7856
@dragonman7856 6 ай бұрын
The guy started this drama cos his channel is failing and there is no reasoning with his fans
@MrHoxworth
@MrHoxworth 6 ай бұрын
Well he had 1 video that poped off on Genshin wich even to this day (especialy after 4.4 stream) is continuing to be shit, just now has HSR to be compared to 1 video and somehow he thought he is enlightend
@honeybadger6275
@honeybadger6275 6 ай бұрын
Never trust an anglo.
@Andy-qf1kc
@Andy-qf1kc 6 ай бұрын
His videos are doing good though
@honeybadger6275
@honeybadger6275 6 ай бұрын
Damn, youtube censored my comment.
@ivanasukjadic1423
@ivanasukjadic1423 6 ай бұрын
There is never any reasoning with any fans of anything. People are different, with different opinions, sentiments and preferences. You are never going to "reason" all people on the planet to think and feel the exact same you do about things. Humans are, have always been, and will always be, tribal.
@lukasr1166
@lukasr1166 6 ай бұрын
That video was so stupid. I left this reply to another comment but I think it sums up my thought on the intent behind it: "Ultimately the purpose of this video is to dismiss all critism of Emil Pagliarulo. If he was just disproving what is actually false fine, but then he starts defending his writing ability which it's obvious to anyone who can read is bad. You need no videos or reddit posts to recognize how bad the writing in every game Pagliarulo has been the lead writer of is. "We don't know what's going on at Bethesda" does nothing to defend the writing quality since it doesn't matter if we know, the writing is still bad. Then he brings up defamation like they don't fail 9/10 times. But ultimately we're no longer allowed to dislike Pagliarulos writing if this narrative takes hold. Which is ridiculous. As you say, he acts like youtubers and Reddit are the only reason one would dislike terrible writing. And the whole game design doc thing, with how disjointed every Bethesda game feels, especially fallout 4 and Starfield there clearly was no overarching vision that the whole company agreed on. This is why when everyone heard the no game docs in Emils speech everyone jumped on it because it explains many issues the games had. It made sense and is a logical conclusion to draw based on the information we have. I for one am not sorry for anything because the writing is awful and you only need the game to see it."
@RorytheRomulan
@RorytheRomulan 2 ай бұрын
He may have realized it and tried to veer away, but he went right back to it at the last second without even thinking. The jagged pill line, and the analogy he makes beforehand, ooze with contempt for players. That's why I say, "why don't you go write your fucking novel for paperbacks and hardcovers? You don't have to take the job, you don't have to accept the contract, you don't have to write for us." I don't want anyone who thinks this way about players anywhere near a script for a video game.
@ShishouDzukiZaManako
@ShishouDzukiZaManako 6 ай бұрын
i mean he already poisoned the well blaming asmongold for any dislikes on the video.... so 1000 keks
@hoodiegal
@hoodiegal 6 ай бұрын
NKB's video ended up in my recommended feed and I decided to watch it, because hey, maybe it's a side of the discussion i haven't seen yet? Before the section where he shows a "summary" of Emil's speech was over, I knew the video was going to be a bunch of horseshit. He did some real editing work on making that speech seem coherent. He does lift some valid points, like there being a lot of people being unneccesarily vitriolic against Emil and attack him personally, which I agree is not good. There's enough to criticize about Emil's work without attacking his person. But the vast majority of NKB's video is just him doing the exact thing he is accusing other people for: misrepresenting statements, taking people out of context, and putting words in peoples mouths.
@keepitclean8791
@keepitclean8791 6 ай бұрын
This guy is probably secretly Emil's son or something
@pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt
@pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt 6 ай бұрын
views todd and emil as father figures
@Skids0800
@Skids0800 6 ай бұрын
I have been looking forward to this. I lost any respect for him after his video
@ivanasukjadic1423
@ivanasukjadic1423 6 ай бұрын
Lose respect for someone who says people should stop dog piling, lying and bullying people? that is a bit rough. Says a lot about you. How many people have you bullied?
@shira_yone
@shira_yone 6 ай бұрын
@@ivanasukjadic1423 he says that as a shield; he proceed to lie and bully other people for their valid criticism, casually namecalling them pretending as if that's not going to send people (like how you came here) towards his targets, potentially dogpiling and harassing them. The premise have merit, but it's a lie all along.
@derpro8125
@derpro8125 4 ай бұрын
@@ivanasukjadic1423 For someone so against bullying, you sure do pop up in a lot of threads without any kindness. Why don't you just stop?
@MLPDethDealr32
@MLPDethDealr32 6 ай бұрын
I was talking to Calbeck and another on waiting to see you cover this. NKB stepped on a Landmine as far as im concerned. He could have been smarter on how to handle this, he chose poorly instead. His Emil vid got me to sub to Patrician over it.
@EmperorAmbrose
@EmperorAmbrose 6 ай бұрын
NeverKnowsBest… name really checks out.
@tentacledood5784
@tentacledood5784 6 ай бұрын
Maybe it's prophetic... I wonder if one day you'll become an Emperor, Ambrose!
@michealjaymurphy
@michealjaymurphy 6 ай бұрын
I hate people who use the I’m a nice guy don’t critique or insult me as a shield While they are 10x more vindictive then their biggest hater
@ivanasukjadic1423
@ivanasukjadic1423 6 ай бұрын
Who are you talking about exactly? Because Neverknowsbest didn't do either of those to things you mention. He did not say that people should not insult or critique him. He also is not 10x more vindictive than anyone. You are just making up stuff.
@michealjaymurphy
@michealjaymurphy 6 ай бұрын
@@ivanasukjadic1423 you are actually hopeless, i hope you have a learning disability to explain being this dense
@blither4656
@blither4656 4 ай бұрын
No fuck you Creet I'm not listening to that metaphor again Patrician's response nearly killed me
@Creetosis
@Creetosis 4 ай бұрын
Do it. DO IT. LISTEN TO THE CUCK EMBARASS HIMSELF!!
@tylerdunn9683
@tylerdunn9683 4 ай бұрын
​@@Creetosis the goat boi has speaken!
@PurpleBear1625
@PurpleBear1625 6 ай бұрын
I tried listening to NKB's essay defending Emil's writing but realized it was actually about playing devil advocate for a Bethesda dev. The best way to defend Emil's writing would be to show good examples of main stories or larger side quests from fallout 3, 4/skyrim/starfield but that's impossible. So NKB decided to do the much easier task of "critiquing" the critics of modern Bethesda games.
@joshwenn989
@joshwenn989 6 ай бұрын
If that's what you took away from the video you weren't paying attention whatsoever. He even specifically _says_ it's not about the quality of the writing.
@RWIsaac-lk5mj
@RWIsaac-lk5mj 6 ай бұрын
Never heard of you before the NKB video, but I was so annoyed with how NKB was trying to get me to hate you just for saying mean things, that you now have a new fan. I doubt I'm the only one
@enduser8410
@enduser8410 5 ай бұрын
I'm just going to leave a comment here saying NKB is deleting comments criticizing him. I had a good discussion with someone defending Emil and we ended with 'agreeing to disagree' on whether Patrician was actively, maliciously lying about "no design doc" or not, with some criticism of NKB himself as a hypocrite after assuming Patrician made the statement up with malice, and I see a few days later that thread was deleted.
@gownerjones
@gownerjones 6 ай бұрын
"the game you deserve" is literally just a normal sentence. Everything else in the two sentences was completely different, except "the game you deserve." Does he think he owns that phrase now or something?
@UsmevavyPanacek
@UsmevavyPanacek 6 ай бұрын
Damn, I kind of used to like his content.. Hearing him in this video, with the last two videos he made seeming bit weird for him.. Maybe people speculating about him having some psaychological complications might be right.. Or maybe he was alwas a dick and it simply started to show too much. Hope he gets some help either way.
@mellon3891
@mellon3891 6 ай бұрын
Tried to appease the wrong crowd, now stuck in that insanity.
@chilbiyito
@chilbiyito 6 ай бұрын
​@@mellon3891I think I've seen that happen before
@crakhaed
@crakhaed 6 ай бұрын
​@@mellon3891audience capture
@SwanCollins
@SwanCollins 6 ай бұрын
NKB tried to make a point about the interviews and public talks with Emil being misrepresentations of his character, because they were apparently rushed and he has anxiety, and it was wrong to use the story talk as evidence for bad work ethics. People who have anxiety and stutter all over the place can still deliver an informative presentation if they're confident in their field, as they use slideshows to help convey ideas they have trouble doing verbally. Emil comes off anxious not because he can't speak, but because he has nothing to say. Only someone arrogant would close their speech off with a skit about ignoring reviews and making cash. The presentation reinforced the idea he's a hack, but only the games are needed to prove this.
@Longknife
@Longknife 6 ай бұрын
That's something I touched on in the reddit post he criticized too. (forget if in the main post or the comments) It's one thing if he's a bad, nervous public speaker, another if he cannot even properly organize a powerpoint presentation and organize his thoughts and ideas. NKB also does Emil a lot of favors with the editing. He acts like I'm an idiot for example for not understanding Emil showed pictures of his co-workers "probably because he wanted to thank them?" What NKB is excluding here with his editing is that Emil legit stops a point he was making in the middle of his speech and spontaneously shows photographs of his co-workers, with no captioning, no names, and no commentary from Emil describing who they are and what they do beyond their job titles and a bit more info about a newer worker. And the moment the photos are done, he awkwardly jumps back to what he was discussing before. Can only agree with NKB when he said "don't blindly trust someone else's interpretation." Do not trust my reddit post, do not trust NKB's editing. Watch the speech yourself and be amazed.
@Ravix0fFourHorn
@Ravix0fFourHorn 6 ай бұрын
Even when you use overly colourful language to criticise these people i personally just take it as part of the entertainment aspect of youtube. People coming in the defence of strangers on the internet is just bizarre to me. Its what the kids these days call simping.
@jamesr123
@jamesr123 6 ай бұрын
Coming to the defense of corporations worth millions of dollars and well compensated leads of development teams is even weirder. Should people be more polite in their criticism? I don't know. Maybe. Should people rush to the defense of a multi-millionaire who isn't good at his job? No.
@lt851
@lt851 6 ай бұрын
I understand why you’d want to respond Cree but at the same time, I feel like NKB’s video was designed for this result in order to drive engagement on his channel. Just my opinion
@TheBreakingBenny
@TheBreakingBenny 6 ай бұрын
So NKB wasn't interested in a good debate nor discussion in the end... wonder why.
@AnonymousAnonposter
@AnonymousAnonposter 6 ай бұрын
NKB was indeed jealous of PatricianTV for some time now. And Cree getting lots of views probably made him extra salty.
@kadalsaurus6232
@kadalsaurus6232 6 ай бұрын
would be cool if they could just talk about this than make a longman war drama
@MLPDethDealr32
@MLPDethDealr32 6 ай бұрын
Creetosis messaged him with that in mind, NKB refused to respond back. Tells you something doesnt it. @@kadalsaurus6232
@65firered
@65firered 6 ай бұрын
@@kadalsaurus6232 There was an attempt but clearly that's not what Never wants.
@mmcv9679
@mmcv9679 5 ай бұрын
Its absolutely a trap, hes mentioned in his videos, his gothic video im pretty video was the last one, that hes unsatisfied with the growth of the channel. Hes looking for ways to garner attention for his channel. And sadly hes resorted to drama baiting, shame because i enjoy his retrospectives.
@SuperCrumpets
@SuperCrumpets 6 ай бұрын
i know someone who lies like this all the time and yes its really disgusting, i cant even talk about anything with them because literally every single sentence is some kind of manipulative lie/strawman or attempt to gaslight me.
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