That's who made that other thing that Parker showed in beginning of video. I think that's a voltage monitor that can show up to 4 different sources

​@@derekgardin1512Yes, that's his high-precision voltmeter. He's also got some wireless bass knobs. They look like premium equipment.

Jerry Ain't Loud got the wireless bass knob from LF Audio

​@@JasonWW2000He sent everyone a refund a week ago I had ordered mine since February. That probably won't be out until January the regular WVC not the pro is still over 2 months out for shipping. Don't hold your breath for LF audio one, the basshead garage one is literally eating up the market for 85$ by the time LF puts his out no one will wanna pay 200$+ for something that's probably similar in accuracy.

Hhmmmm, maybe the 200amp clamp meter limit has something to do with it not reading the higher wattage. 200amps would equal around 2400watts on a 12v system but it seems the closer you get to that max the more inaccurate it gets. Thanks for doing the test, you just saved me $90

I wanted to say the same.

​@MrJunkman1982 I already have a smd and have a bhg-wm on the way. I'm just going to test them for myself

Hell ya, old-school

FLUKE for the WIN !

Please make a video when you do​@@MIDWAYSGREATEST

And you want to make sure that you're measuring RMS voltage.

@@JasonWW2000 We got issued fluke 87's with amp clamps when I went to HVAC tech school. Couldn't have anyone in the lab trying to do work with a cheap meter reading wrong. The fluke 88 was the older automotive version. Either or a similar alternative should give you super accurate voltage and current readings as good as anything pro level. Good enough to compare with those lesser known meters.

@@LiveActionJackson That level of accuracy isn't necessary. Based on a lot of testing from different KZfaqrs it appears that both meters do read the same when you put the BHG meter in Apparent Power mode.

​@@LiveActionJacksonI'm not sure how to answer your question, but Parker never put it in Apparent Power mode. He only used the default Power/Impedance mode.

Many reasons why I wont buy the SMD, for starters you nailed it. Why spentld that much money to not have modern tech in the smd. One could build a lithium pack for it and wire it into the smd but jeez.

how does fluke do their batteries

They do the battery for a reason at least on the DD1. They made it battery powered so it was self powered and didn't have to be wired into something which could sway readings. Also, you swap the battery in 20 seconds and are back going again. If it was a rechargeable Lithium battery you'd have to wait an hour if it died while using it. I got my DD1 for $75 and was brand new. Guy had bought 2 and never used the second one. I'd never have bought ar full price. And $450 for that one in video is ridiculous. No way in hell it cost more than $75 to make.

@derekgardin1512 So one could not use a rechargeable lithium that is cartridge style to the likings of a 18650 battery? I'm lost still on your reasoning.

@derekgardin1512 Also I have searched high and low and the cheapest used one I have found so far is $380.

Thank you!

I hope we get that. As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

@@SebastianS13bastian The meter measures the amplifier's AC output voltage, so yes ~20,000 watts measuring capability is correct.

It's 200 amps at 100 volts AC RMS.

@JasonWW2000 from what I've seen from the video, it doesn't read properly over 200 amps 2,000 watt, and I'm kinda new at this, but I understand basic math. 200 amps is around 2,000 watts... Idk why 100 volts are coming up with 14-16 volt cars!?!? Please teach me!

​@@SebastianS13bastian Wattage is Amps x Volts You may have heard people say they use dummy math to guess at an amplifiers output. They take the 200 amp DC input measurement and multiply that times voltage (which might be 13 Volt) and then multiply the results times 0.8 for a Class D amp to account for the efficiency loss. So 200 x 13 x 0.8 = 2,080 watts. A Class A/B amp will be lower efficiency so I'd use 0.6. That's just a rough guideline. This device is measuring what comes OUT of the amplifier to the speaker. It is AC voltage, alternating current. Not DC like from a car battery. All music signals are alternating current. The job of the amplifier is to take DC power from the battery and then convert it to a higher voltage AC signal. Some common AC voltages would be what comes out of a head unit, like 8 volts RMS at 4 ohm which is about 15 watts. A 400 W amp at 4 Ohms might be outputting 40 volts ac. A 1000 W amp at 4 ohm might be putting out 63 volts ac. A 4000 watt amp at 4 ohm might be putting out 126 V AC. If it's a lower ohm load then the voltage will be less. I hope that makes sense.

​@@SebastianS13bastianMost amplifiers use a transformer (some use a boost converter) to raise the cars 12v to the higher voltage. For high powered audio you need high voltage AC. A big amp might output 100v AC, but its amperage is way lower. So if an amp is outputting 2,000 watts you might measure 100v AC and 20 amps.

Maybe also move the clamp meters further apart just in case they are interfering with each other.

As an update, It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

I bought an AMM1 this year and it was so inaccurate I thought it was faulty and sent it back, they replaced it with one that was "freshly calibrated" and it still read nearly 10% higher than my fluke clamp and the local shops termlab setup. I think most SMD tools are way overrated and only popular because they're dummy proof.

Absolutely

​@BlueTegu360 they read high on purpose to keep people on the safer side of things. Blowing gear while using their expensive (wildly overpriced imo) meters would t look good. Those things cost under 75 bucks to make. Same case on all the different meters, very simple circuits inside. Markup is huge.

How accurate is it

​@@derekgardin1512You have to look at the total cost, not just the price of the components. I'm talking engineering time, testing time, prototyping, labor costs, overhead, etc... plus I'm sure Tony and Steve get a cut of the profits. So yeah, they may actually need to charge $450 for it to be worth while for them to even make it.

They come from Croatia. Shipping takes forever

@@DarrinLintz710 I got a notification this morning that it's out for delivery 🤣🤷‍♂️

@@1ohmwrecker That's bad ass bro. Report back later and tell of you got it or not.

@@DarrinLintz710 will do! 👍 I'll probably post a video bout it.

@1ohmwrecker what amp are you going to be putting it on? I had one on a salt 6 wired to .5 and I could barley crack 3500.

The SMD unit was designed for a completely different application. It's meant to be bought by a shop and then temporarily hooked up to customers vehicles. I hope they do come out with a updated version or maybe even a whole new product.👍

I’ve been waiting too, never in stock apparently

Big Jeff has said that he will start carrying these within the next week or so.

Yeah, he needs a piece of ABS plastic or something to stick in between them so they don't accidentally rotate and touch.

Don’t forget that meter had to endure years of bass hooked up in his car…That environment is never good for any measuring equipment

It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter. So I don't think Parker's SMD meter is out of calibration.

The SMD meter was designed for a shop to use while the bhg meter is designed to be permanently mounted in a vehicle. So very different use case scenarios. If you do a comparison try putting the bhg meter in apparent power mode. I think the power factor is influencing things at higher wattages.

As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter. I hope you try this comparison.

You not building shit worth anything by the looks of all that cheap junk on your channel. 😂😂😂

​@@oboe174What kind of comment is this? Is it a drunk post?

Sounds cool.

The power factor is something that was not mentioned in the video and I'd like to learn more about it. Both meters can show the power factor. I notice that my bhg meter does show higher apparent power compared to the regular power level. Maybe Parker needs to set the bhg meter to apparent power and then compare it to the SMD meter?

As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

Yes, the mood that Parker had it in seems to be doing wrong calculations. If the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

Yes, you just have to remember with AC current you have to multiply the RMS voltage times the amperage.

There's also the power factor that comes into play at higher wattages.

It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

Yes, but Parker is not an electronics engineer. He's not familiar with the details of how it works. Both meters can be put into a mode that show the voltage and amperage. I'd start there and see if they are different.

Subs and Paws recently did their own comparison video. It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter. So they both appear to be accurate.

Which one do you think is not accurate, and why?

Just as an update, It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter. So they both appear to be accurate.

Maybe faster however not accurate from what i am seeing here. Amm-1 has proven to be accurate on both the SMD Dyno & Termlab. You can't say the BHG meter is more accurate when the wattage is a thousand less watts while holding a test tone, basically what you're saying is that Taramps 3k is only good for 1000w at 2.5 ohm which is not true.

@@HashDogg06 -You should know that just because the meter showed 1,000 Watts @ 2.5 ohms, does not mean that the volume was maxed out. The Amm-1 throws crazy high power readouts from time to time. Usually when it malfunctions, and shows .1/ a tenth of an ohm. This has happened on different Amm-1s, on multiple youtube channels. Also the Amm-1 seemed to read too high when the Taramps amplifier started clipping. The Big $3,000 SMD Amp Dyno, doesn't have this issue.

@@evilinside5984 That could be the case but he did say he was going to clipping, he then tried it on a different amp which i took as that the Taramps had no more in it. Those amps have been tested on the SMD dyno so you know what it does on what ohm. This is the reason i believe that new meter is the inaccurate one. Also Parker should have set the Amm-1 to dyno mode as it should only display max power before clipping & read no higher. Either way there needs to be a lot more thorough testing before i consider one.

@@HashDogg06 - Yes i agree, more testing. The best test i thought of= put an Amp Clamp meter around the Amplifiers 0 Ga. Power Inputs, while the 2 meters are showing the power readouts. As actual power made= Actual Amperage Pulled through the tested Amplifiers Power Inputs! Example: If 200 amps were pulled @ max, and voltage sagged down to 13 volts, and amp eff. was 70%, then what ever Wattage readout was closest to 200 A x 13 V x 70% amp. Eff., would be the more accurate Meter.

​@@HashDogg06 Subs and Paws just did their own comparison video. It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter. So they both seem accurate.

They both do.

I think the SMD purposely reads higher to keep you on safer side of things maybe.

@@derekgardin1512or they want users to think they are getting more power than they are lol

@@derekgardin1512 its a voltage meter not a safety meter! If its reading wrong its tuned wrong broke or built wrong.

@@onesikm3 that makes no since guy its a multimeter its supposed to be accurate

Years of bass abuse in his car is absolutely bad for that meter

Never going to happen, these two meters don't even compete against one another.

Subs & Paws just did a comparison video. If the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

These meters are aimed at two entirely different situations. The SMD meter is meant to be used at a shop and temporarily connected to lots of vehicles. Being a sharp tool and used so often it will pay for itself quickly. The BHG is designed for the customer and is meant to be permanently mounted in the vehicle. There's a certain amount of overlap, but I don't think SMD has to respond to anything.

As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

Yeah that smd unit is years old and took years of abuse in his car…That thing needs to be calibrated that’s all

I would definitely like to see more testing. Perhaps both meters could be put in the mode that shows the voltage and amperage so we can directly compare what they are measuring.

@David, you tbuas a half gher refresh rate. It's that simple, not all that other stuff you made up. "Out of thin air" 😂😂

I agree!

Subs and Paws has just done their own comparison video. It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

Just set your gain with a DD1 or an Oscilloscope or a multimeter with the voltage method if you don't have either of the others. Oscilloscope can be had for $100 or so for a decent one

@@derekgardin1512 that's not the issue my gain is set perfectly cross checked with a DD-1 and Multi meter I'm talking about after everything is hooked up you have your wattage meter on the dash at the show and you turn your gain up looking for a certain number Hypothetically speaking say 5000 watts pushed to a single 15 so you adjust while watching the wattage/impedance meter and whether you are using one or the other with that much of a wattage difference you would either be doing one or the other pushing to much or to little to the sub depending on which one is off on the reading that is why I said someone should look into it more because day I have the basshead garage wattage meter which is the one I ordered and I adjust the gain knob on the dash for the amp and it shows I'm pushing 4k but where the SMD would show 5k+ which is correct should I give it more or back off the difference was enough to warrant discretion until this is figured out how could I go about cross checking it with a multi meter and clamp meter to see if wattage meter is off and if so by how much

@@SlamryCamry19 Number 1 rule dont clip! Your subs can take more than rated power anyway most of the time if your not clipping. Get a clamp meter and a Voltage meter and test your max output the old school way. 50hz test tone turn head unit to clipping and adjust your amps to the desired output or turn them up until clipping then back off until you find the sweet spot. Some songs could still play a certain tone or play a tone for a certain amount of time that could damage subs but thats what the clip lights for, you will know when you have gone beyond what you tuned it at becouse of the clip light.

People have been running high-powered systems for decades and never had these meters. You can rely on the smell of the voicr coils to know when they're getting really hot. Creep up on the higher volumes. Make sure your sub isn't bottoming out. Put a DC clamp meter on the amplifier power cable to measure how much amperage it's drawing then subtract a certain percentage to calculate for efficiency.

@@JasonWW2000 I will try this once I get the Tyrant broke in

Possibly!

Still needs to be accurate though. It looks like they either haven't calibrated it correctly or haven't done enough testing before putting it to market or the worst outcome SMD meter has been lying to us for the passed 10+ years, not sure how we would have missed that.

Yeah so that you can throw away the unit when the battery goes bad…They can make it less power hungry and more efficient so that same 9 volt battery lasts longer

@@justkiddin1980 It doesn't have to be designed like an iphone. You can make a rechargeable battery replaceable.

@@OGJD1984 Problem is you have to support it as a company…What better way then just make the thing more than efficient and just keep working with 9 volt batteries…99,9% of people only use this incedently

It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter. So the position of the sensors doesn't really affect it.

Shouldn't make a diff. They are just reading power through the wire not absorbing any of it. If that was the case the SMD would be reading less. I think SMD purposely reads high to keep people on safer side of things so they're not blowing gear while using these pricy meters. Wouldn't be a good look

@@derekgardin1512oh I’m aware. It’s still nice to show for those who don’t believe the “what if”

They come from Croatia. Expect a 2-month delivery time. I got the first batch and it took about that

I ordered mine on May 27th. I can’t wait to get it.

Ordered mime bout the same time. He told me they ship out July 10th. So 2 more days. Hopefully, it doesn't take a year to make it here, lol.

Mine arrived yesterday

Big Jeff has said that he expects to be selling these within the next week or two.

dd1 is for distortion and amm1 does clipping.... the 2 are not the same

@@mcf3778suck suck slurp

​@@mcf3778and both aren't accurate like Steve Meade's narcissistic ass claims.

These two meters were designed for two different applications. The bhg is meant to be permanently installed in a vehicle while the amm-1 is meant to be installed temporarily and used by a shop.

@@JasonWW2000 true, however it would be easy enough to 3d print up an enclosure with its own power source to make the bhg meter more friendly for mobile use though. for the price point, i know what i'd do if the accuracy is there.

As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

You can verify both meters by using a stand-alone digital multimeter and clamp style ammeter. As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

Yes, you can use those individual tools. What you're not understanding is the application for these two meters. The SMD is designed to be used by a shop to be temporarily hooked up and do a variety of functions. The BHG is designed to be permanently installed in a vehicle and show real-time power.

For head unit play something like 50hz test tone on your mids and at clipping point tweeters will start to sound weird, you will hear that. Like a metallic distortion. To setup gains properly you can use online calculators and multimeter.

A $65 oscope.

@SlamryCamery I'm not a spokesman for BHG or anything, but I ordered mine around the same time with the pre-orders. On their Facebook page, it said they ship out next week. Don't quote me on this one, but I thought I saw something that said they ship out by the 10th of July.

Same boat orderd mine in May when they said in stock, but ended up pre-order after purchase. Haven't heard anything from them since

I ordered my second one at same time. The one that's coming I'm going to make a handheld unit like the amm-1 and will sell on bassheads on a budget group when done

@@Smokeey409 how long does it take to receive it it's almost double the estimated shipping time already

Why would you want one when the SMD reads double when its clipping? Be sure to tell us if your system blew because you trusted a cheap knockoff of a known good product.

Not correct. Voltage x amperage. Voltage is always the higher number. For example 200v and 10 amps would be 2k watts. Now if you were doing 200v and 200amps you would be doing 40k

@@user-xo3ue2mb3i yeah that's not correct nobody is running a 2k with 10 amps of current if that were the case nobody would need a high output alternator you can literally Google it I guess Google is wrong to either way the meter is off and doesn't have a large enough current sensor to read correctly I guess you're going to say all the videos already out on the matter literally saying exactly what I am telling you are wrong to trust me I want it to be accurate I'm literally waiting for it to be shipped to my house but it's NOT at least not accurate for a large system the current sensor is to small

@@SlamryCamry19 the numbers were an example not real. My personal system in testing a while back was 192v 55amps roughly. That's about 10.5k. I do comps so I use laptop to monitor mine. But to be clear the watt meter in the video isn't reading right. But the amperage rating on the device is correct. Most people aren't pushing 200amps. Also the amperage you read with clamps isn't alternator amperage. My amp pushing that 55amps was actually drawing about 900 amps. That's the point of lithium.

​@@user-xo3ue2mb3i It seems the BHG meter when put in Apparent Power mode will read the same as the SMD meter.

When you consider the SMD jumped up in price to almost $500 this dont seem like a bad deal. Thanks for sharing a brand I have not discovered, and for what this does I would consider buying this over the SMD any day based on all it does. I cant justify spending $500 on a multimeter when my fluke only cost $60.

@@BentonL no Fluke has a dyno mode especially not any low end $60 Fluke. the AMM-1 has been $450 since i got mine several years ago. That being said I'll be buying one of these new meters as soon as they are back in stock.

@@shaunmckenzie4046 The point is, it has more functions and is about as complicated as the AMM-1. Its marketing. The fan bois will always say the same sht weather it is apple or a tesla unless their beloved leader announces their political affiliation then all in the sudden they change their minds... Musk could do no wrong until he made that announcement.

Both meters are aimed at different types of customers. As an update, It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

It's coming, significantly different internal technology.

It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter. LF, does your meter have a frequency limit? The BHG meter is only rated up to 100 HZ. It would be nice to have a meter that could read much higher frequencies. I want to see how much power my tweeters are actually taking. Lol

@@JasonWW2000 the goal with the HPPM is full 5hz-20khz

Link is in the description! I think it is currently sold out but he should have more on the way soon

Thank you I am working on a big build. Need to know where my and rise is.

Working on a big bill, trying to see where my impedance rise is

​@@matthewingram2894Same here. I'm wired to 1 ohm and I assumed my impedance rise would be around 1.8 to 2 ohm at least. I had a couple of amps that would give me 3K at 2 ohm. Things to this meter I see my impedance rise only goes up to 1.3 so I had to change my amplifier plans.

Sign up for the notification and put their email on the safe senders list so it doesn't go to the spam folder. That's what happened to me so I had to wait for the next batch.

As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

That sub is 20 years old and super rare

Been sold out for months now, I’ve been waiting for them to come into stock again and have yet to catch them on stock.

yeah and save 300$​@@RomaVilla

Big Jeff has said that he's going to be selling these soon. Maybe in a week or so. It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

Subs and Paws just did their own comparison video. It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

heck ya sometimes you just gotta prove it lol

Hell yeah. Solid man ! Much like myself I'll put my money where my mouth is🤘🤝

You been telling them

The BHG is designed to operate over a wide range of voltages so that should not be an issue.

@@JasonWW2000 100% i would expect they use some form of maybe buck/boost converter to regulate it, therefor input voltage fluctuations would have zero effect.

I think we've figured out what the inconsistency is. Subs and Paws did their own comparison video. It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

😂😂😂😂😂

Yes, Steve Meade just did this test and showed both the big and little dyno testers measure the same. It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

Both meters have a display mode that shows volts and amps. He could use a Multimeter and clamp and verify the measurements.

As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

Perhaps the apparent power mode is the more accurate one?

I feel like it reads low too. If it's accurate my 2 Xv3 12s pound on 400 watts. I also had to really push it for my meter to go above 3000. Mine is hooked up to a salt 6 wired to .5 and rising to 1.5. The best I seen was 3500.

As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

and with the SMD meter showing 2k watts with it clipping, ITs most likely a defective meter unable to read voltage properly

As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter. I can't comment on its waterproofing. As long as it's mounted inside your vehicle it should last about as long as any other electronic device.

Ya they are always sold out.

Yeah, Steve lost credibility in my eyes when he criticized some good guys for using his meter wrong. There is a right way to address that and a wrong way. He handled it in a VERY bad way.

In low consistent wattage the amm1 is ok but as the power rises it skews pretty bad. Perfect example right here when the watt meter smoothly ran up to 1000, the amm1 made it to almost 1000 then suddenly reading 1800-2100?? I think it's a decent tool for testing but the wattage measurements aren't very accurate at all, its own battery getting weak can really throw it off.

He's a crybaby when it comes to someone criticizing his products.

@@MrCountmein3 Yes, he is. I don't really care for the guy but whatever. Not like it matters. Especially to him. Lol Dude is a dick though.

As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

People have built lithium-based battery packs that fit into the stock battery compartment.

@@JasonWW2000 You can literally buy lithium 9 volt rechargeable batteries, all Parker needs is to buy a few & have them charged ready to go. Best thing is that they are almost the same price as a good standard 9v yet can be charged 100's of times, you do the math.

I think the SMD is accurate. As an update, if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

I doubt it. It's not consuming power from the wire passing through it just reading how much is there. He could easily run another test with them flipped around (smd first, bhg second) and I'm sure the result will be same. Certainly odd but I think maybe the SMD purposely reads high to keep people on the safer side of things. People blowing gear while using these pricy products from smd/damore wouldn't be a good look or much of a selling point lol.

I'm not sure what you mean by peak. He's going to want to measure the RMS voltage.

@JasonWW2000 it's a peak hold on a rms power reading. So what I mean is a burp tone at full tilt

​@@tee2896Both of those meters have a display mode that shows voltage and amperage. He can just use a variety of power levels and compare all three of them directly.

@@JasonWW2000 Thats is what the aim is. I would figure that a Klein Clamp and Multimeter would be more accurate than both. But I believe the SMD is more reliable than the watt meter. Basshead makes the point that the wattmeter is faster but is that a good thing? I think the SMD is reading slower by design because honestly the wattmeter was moving so fast, I could barely keep up. Plus, I don't see any real purpose and knowing what my amp outputs in a millisecond during a song. But I would be interested to know how much power I am producing when my voltage is higher from a cold start or what I am outputting when I been demoing and knock my voltage down a full volt. BTW, I am talking about during a burp. Which would be the only reason why I would want one. If you just listen to music, then people are buying just to have a talking point of saying "look my 5000-watt amp is outputting 8000 watts during a song during its peak." Sounds cool but not useful. The SMD tool does so much more than just tell you watts and impedance plus its useful competitors because anytime they make adjustments and do any upgrades in electrical or audio equipment, it will help to make sound judgement on how to get the loudest, cleanliest output!

​@@tee2896 Subs and Paws just did a comparison video. It turns out that if the BHG meter is put in Apparent Power mode it will read the same as the SMD meter.

I think more testing is in order.

That SMD meter took years of abuse, he should calibrate that unit.. Bass isn’t good for any measuring equipment..