New Arm CPU Designs - Cortex-X925 and Cortex-A725

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Ай бұрын

Arm has announced two new CPU designs for smartphones that will hit the shelves during 2025. Following its normal cadence it has announced the new designs now and it is expected that chipmakers like MediaTek will announce SoCs using these designs later this year. The Cortex-X925 is the new name for what we expected to be the Cortex-X5 "Blackhawk" CPU.
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@_____case Ай бұрын

Shout out to my buddy who is on the design team for the Arm X-series cores. Absolute legend.

@ragegamingtm3540 Ай бұрын

👍🎉

@NightWiz11 Ай бұрын

Gary is on the design team?

@adarshjkalathil Ай бұрын

@@NightWiz11 OP's friend

@Xevos701 Ай бұрын

Where does he work? USA or France?

@slothbabyproductions9288 Ай бұрын

I think he works in Austin. X925 and X -cores are designed there

@EnochGitongaKimathi Ай бұрын

I can't wait for these new cores to be paired with Nvidia Blackwell GPU Cores for Windows on ARM. I can imagine with the DynamIQ Shared Unit allowing for 10 Cortex-X925 Cores + 4 Cortex-A725 Cores.

@degen138 Ай бұрын

Dude love that you do this and break it down so well

@carloslemos6919 Ай бұрын

Nice to see ARM citing Geekbench. I hope the idea that iOS and Apple's design are privileged dies off.

@kensmith5694 Ай бұрын

It would be useful if you includes the area of the core. More throughput per unit area is another way to judge the chips. A smaller area may allow an extra processor core

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

Arm didn't release that information, not that I have it and opted not to include it.

@AlexHusTech Ай бұрын

*Great explanation, hopefully my phone lasts so I can skip the next gen and upgrade to the X925 architecture*

@El.Duder-ino Ай бұрын

If u compare Gary's M4 vid u can see lot of similarities with the Arm v9.4 architecture. Of course Apple does it's own in house improvements besides that, but Arm architecture is clearly not that far behind. Arm is on the rise as I was predicting decades ago and it will eventually capture PC and console market while x86 will HW emulated if needed or u can buy legacy x86 HW if needed.

@DarkPa1adin Ай бұрын

as usual, thanks Gary!

@aleksandardjurovic9203 Ай бұрын

Thank you for your video! 2900 Geekbench 6 score is exciting!

@gr-os4gd Ай бұрын

Another excellent explanation; thanks, Gary!

@Nerd-tech-news Ай бұрын

Naming were so smooth like X1, X2 etc, & suddenly they jumped to X925 😒 Looks like the concept of power efficiency cores are now gone for flagship premium SoC

@sbrader97 Ай бұрын

It seems to be so that it correlates with the naming scheme of a520 and a725 and then the big core being x9xx kind of like intel i9/ryzen 9 naming scheme but I wish it was just called x5

@farthurf.5221 Ай бұрын

Cuz it's Gen 9

@TamasKiss-yk4st Ай бұрын

@farthurf.5221 and so? Did you found the Gen 8 reference in Cortex-X1/X2/X3/X4..? If it wasn't necessery before, it's not necessary now too..

@Nerd-tech-news Ай бұрын

@@sbrader97 earlier it was Cortex A, Cortex R and Cortex M. Now ARM is XARM ?

@bruceparker3139 Ай бұрын

looking very promising, lets hope phone makers can make the best of it.

@godnyx117 Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! They do seem interesting! Hope you could get these chipsets in a mini PC that runs Linux and FreeBSD but I guess, I'll have to wait for X series, lol!

@Winnetou17 Ай бұрын

What are / do the graphs at 4:53 mean ? Also at 6:34 ? What's on the X and Y axis ? I assume it's something like X - cache size and branch prediction window, while on Y axis is how many cycles the core is doing nothing, waiting for a memory fetch ?

@ru2225 Ай бұрын

Says in the titles. Missed predictions per kilo instructions. Less missed predictions

@ichemnutcracker Ай бұрын

I'm surprised there wasn't any information on the memory controller. I suppose that means that it wasn't improved much.

@GustavoMsTrashCan Ай бұрын

I suppose we can expect new sbcs coming out with these chips, right? Still, great video as always and thanks for sharing your thoughts and knowledge.

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

I doubt there will be SBCs with the CPU cores. Are there SBCs with the Cortex-X1 even?

@LeicaM11 Ай бұрын

Is that architecture also important for the X Elite Oryon SoC predecessor?

@user-ow7jc7vr2k Ай бұрын

Nope

@randomstuff0069 Ай бұрын

❤

@cuteidd 16 күн бұрын

ARM wiil be next NVDA? Hope ARM 10X

@deathdoor Ай бұрын

Still not new small core. Why?

@HablaConOwens Ай бұрын

Would love to see nvidia gpu cores on board

@PavlosPapageorgiou Ай бұрын

I'm confused. Who decides what cores make up the system? Don't these need to be fabbed together in one die or are they assembled?

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

Each chip maker decides like MediaTek or Google. However Arm has a default configuration that it uses for testing.

@Naris48 Ай бұрын

Yes -- They are assembled by an OEM (such as MediaTek, Google, Qualcomm, Apple, Amazon, etc.), as ARM itself doesn't make any chips, and fabbed together in one or more dies.

@kainlamond Ай бұрын

It's a modular design, ARM makes a base framework of interconnect then ARM makes three types of cores that can fit into it. So in simple teams they've made a Lego city with streets and left open the blocks between the roads. They have made buildings that fit in-between, some are skyscrapers, some single family, you can mix and match how you want your city to be. Fill all the spots with skyscrapers for performance and high power draw if you want.

@rnrtushar8544 Ай бұрын

Willl this arm cpu come to desktop market if yess, will we have a option to upgrade cpus like we can currently upgrade

@bonkerbanker Ай бұрын

Someone will probably make an single board computer with these cpu cores

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

@bonkerbanker I doubt we will see these CPUs in an SBC. Are there any SBCs with the Cortex-X4?

@Antagon666 Ай бұрын

Great, just as I've bought 8Gen2 device

@sbrader97 Ай бұрын

8 gen 4 is gonna be using the custom nuvia cores from x elite laptop chip these arm cortex cores will be used in dimensity 9400 and exynos 2500

@rhysmuir Ай бұрын

so.. the if the X, A etc and the 9, 7, 5 etc. in the names mean the same thing, why have both...?

@xrafter Ай бұрын

What is the reason for the 925 in the x core? Is this somekind of mid range armv9?

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

I don't understand. It is the Cortex-X5 but they have rebranded it now to fit a similar naming scheme as the other cores. 5xx, 7xx, and 9xx.

@xrafter Ай бұрын

@GaryExplains Well-done and to the point explaination. That's exactly what I wanted to know. What was suppose to be X5 got renamed to x925 for political reasons.

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

I'm glad my reply was useful but I thought I covered the naming in the video. Was it not clear?

@xrafter Ай бұрын

@@GaryExplains Didn't watch the video yet.

@kyber.octopus Ай бұрын

Will this be used in Snapdragon Gen4 ?

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

No.

@gdotone1 Ай бұрын

Time to move to 0.8 nanometers.

@kabookaboo2736 Ай бұрын

your estimations are way off, the 9400 presumably will use 1 "x925" and 3x"X4" and 4x "A725" and the multithreaded perfomance would be around ~9200 points, but these are all estimations😁

@niveZz- Ай бұрын

sounds almost like a laptop chip

@sbrader97 Ай бұрын

@niveZz- Dimensity 9300 also used similar configuration of all high performance cores no a520 and then 8 gen 4 is also gonna be 8x high performance custom nuvia cores but at different clocks for some of the cores for efficiency

@kabookaboo2736 Ай бұрын

Qualcomm heavily promoted Nuvia cores, expecting them to outperform ARM designs. However, I now believe they will lag behind both Apple's A18 and the Dimensity 9400 in single-threaded performance and power consumption.The only edge they have is NPU performance and Machine learning.

@Nemesis_678 Ай бұрын

@@niveZz-the same was said about 9300 yet it prevailed. However I want them to go 4- x925 and 4-a725, wanna see everyone go all out in 2025 😈😈.

@jerinpr152 Ай бұрын

@@Nemesis_678 Overkill 🫰

@songoku9094 Ай бұрын

You are expecting multi score to be 7700 ? Why ? Even dimensity 9300 scores multi score closer to apple a17 pro. Like between 7200-7500. So, expecting a new core with higher clock speeds to be in 7700 would be weird. I expect it should be between 8500-9500 at 3.8ghz and if there us 4.2ghz tyen it should be closer to rumoured multi score of 8 gen 4 like between 9500-11000

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

As I said very clearly in the video it depends on the core configuration. The processors from MediaTek, Qualcomm, and Samsung all use the cores in different ways, and that will be reflected in the multi-core score. I thought that would be obvious.

@Henfredemars Ай бұрын

WOW! Now that’s a performance claim.

@abdullahk0405 Ай бұрын

Hey Gary will we ever surpass Apple in terms of single core performance?

@ThePowerLover Ай бұрын

Apple will launch its next-generation before...

@zeffster2 Ай бұрын

3nm. Guess this all depends on the outcome of the pending war in Taiwan.

@zenobikraweznick Ай бұрын

It's gonna cost you an ARM and a leg

@jargolauda2584 Ай бұрын

What we need is more RISC-V

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

Why?

@AlistairGale Ай бұрын

@@GaryExplainswhy not?

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

Why not isn't a reason nor a motivation. You need a why.

@asandax6 Ай бұрын

@@GaryExplains Because Risc V. That's all the reason needed.

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

LOL that tells me that you don't know what RISC-V is!

@darshan5726 Ай бұрын

why cant they keep naming scheme unified? like apple.

@DarkPa1adin Ай бұрын

M4 SoC broke the 3000 single core hurdle

@lekejoshua4402 Ай бұрын

Expected, apple always had it with single core

@Xevos701 Ай бұрын

M4 is hitting 4000

@lekejoshua4402 Ай бұрын

@@Xevos701 Absolutely not

@HaniHani-rw5cn Ай бұрын

3800@@lekejoshua4402

@timr.2257 Ай бұрын

Should've went with X5 and get rid of the A520 like Qualcomm is going to when its been trash for years 😂

@samvortex4136 25 күн бұрын

fuck performance, i want power effiency improvments, even if performances takes a huge hit !

@GaryExplains 25 күн бұрын

Then get a quad cortex Cortex A520 processor.

@samvortex4136 25 күн бұрын

@@GaryExplains a520 is nothing but disgrace compared to apples little cores

@GaryExplains 25 күн бұрын

Then get an iphone! 😜

@jeffk412 Ай бұрын

Looks like we may be getting to the hegemony of x86 for windows. Intel has needed this kick in the ass for 25 years. AMD took a long time to get to finally beating on Intel, but now with ARM, we are looking at really opening up competition for laptops!

@crpro5420 Ай бұрын

MEDIATEK will utilize them best ❤

@jooch_exe Ай бұрын

As cool as this is, software makers are probably going to waste this increased performance on telemetry or tracking.

@wheely4405 Ай бұрын

What's arm gonna do now that Qualcomm makes its own cores

@gr-os4gd Ай бұрын

Arm designs; they don't build. Qualcomm, Apple, et al, license and build based on Arm's designs.

@Alphabet7 Ай бұрын

Nothing. Qualcomm still licenses arm

@wheely4405 Ай бұрын

@gr-os4gd is oryon based on arm design too? I thought it started as a server chip , I thought that made it different bruh

@niveZz- Ай бұрын

it's still using the arm instruction set

@Alphabet7 Ай бұрын

@@wheely4405 yes. ARM is a CPU architecture. The CPU is what is built on top of it. An Intel Pentium in 2004 has the same architecture as an i9 14900k, being x86

@gdotone1 Ай бұрын

36 percent is the best they can do? Was expecting 500% and 60% power reduction.

@mujeebhamid2670 Ай бұрын

They always first consult their customers. Example even after cortex 925 being more powerful, MediaTek only uses on 925 and resorting to 3 cortex X3 core on dimensity 9400. Dimensity utilizes 8 cores designs, of they would have been provided with larger cortex 925 like apple big core, they wouldn't be able to accommodate other cores then, bcz mobile CPUs are supposed to made on very small die size. Arm can increase performance of big cores only when MediaTek and Exynos tells them.

@MrGoMario Ай бұрын

Obviously this has nothing to do with RISC anymore... No human being can keep track of 1500 instructions and the interplay thereof. Only advanced AI can fully utilize it!

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

Sorry, I am a little confused, what as advanced AI got to do with this?

@vartannazarian3451 Ай бұрын

That mean 10% 15% better performance

@Naris48 Ай бұрын

-You are not going to see LLM AI code itself running on smartphones anytime soon and probably ever.- By their nature LLMs need access to large volumes of data so those tasks -will- should be handed off to "the cloud" with server machines with access to multiple Petabytes, or more, of data, multiple CPUSs & GPUs to perform those tasks to be sent back to the smartphone. Smartphones will indeed run other AI workloads that do not require as much data and require the faster response time and/or the need to run locally without a connection to the internet/"the cloud".

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

What? I can run an LLM on a Raspberry Pi.

@Naris48 Ай бұрын

@@GaryExplains Then that LLM is not very large (or retrieves its data from the internet), nowhere near the scale of something like ChatGPT. You might get away with having only 200GB to store the model, but most phones, or Raspberry Pis, do not have that kind of capacity.

@Naris48 Ай бұрын

@@GaryExplains Also, attempting to train an LLM on a Raspberry Pi would probably take months or longer, if that is even possible, and require even more storage.

@rgb2296 Ай бұрын

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

No one said anything about training. As for the rest of what you wrote, I have several videos about that and other LLM stuff here on this channel. LLMs are more than just ChatGPT.

@romanromero5099 27 күн бұрын

Still slower than apple with less cores. Android needs to catch up with code optimisations.

@GaryExplains 27 күн бұрын

You think Geekbench for Android is less optimized than the version for iOS?

@nagarajanperiyakaruppan7468 Ай бұрын

Hi 🙂

@gregorywilson2124 Ай бұрын

Huawei …???

@GaryExplains Ай бұрын

What about Huawei?

@LouisDuran Ай бұрын

Intel is so fucked

@lolmao500 Ай бұрын

Call me when Cortex cpu give a good run for their money against zen 5 and arrowlake. Until then, meh. I'll keep my phone from 2014 for another 5 years thanks very much, all of you upgrading phones every year are the reason the earth is a cesspool.