Michael Brooks is incredible. "I'm going to start living my life like Sam Harris and tell my girlfriend that this other woman I'm with is just a thought experiment and that she doesn't understand my work". Just brilliant and hilarious. RIP brother

I think the caller is actually of the heriditary Kermit/Peterson family.

Harris did say that torture should be illegal. Than he said that the government should torture people anyway, because "sometimes it's moral to break the law."

Why do people even care about Sam Harris so much?

The caller used the same silly debate tactics of Sam Harris

Sam Harris is in the business of promoting Sam Harris.

His voice was shaking from anger. And he tells the host to calm down a bit, lol

Charlatan was the right word to describe Sam Harris.

Harris obviously means a lot of these people on the internet. I've never met a Harris fan outiside the internet, but here, they're presence is strong. Whatever he's doing is resonating very strongly with them. The emotional response to any criticism of Harris is very strong.

Why is anyone a Sam Harris follower anyways?

This is hilarious. I wish I had discovered Sam Seder YEARS ago.

I will miss Micheal's uproarious laughter in the background :'(.

I think the most poignant indictment of Sam Harris' legacy is that his avid readers and loyal fans have a much easier time discussing what he's "falsely" accused of saying than what he actually is saying. I wonder how this can possibly contribute to informing the public or advancing debate.

"What about the ticking time bomb scenario? Give a valid reason not to torture there!" Ok. Torture doesn't work, so violating someone's human rights will do nothing to resolve the situation. All you've done is needlessly committed a war crime and proved that you lack the moral high ground. Gimme my money.

Can you imagine what it was like being Sam Harris' thesis adviser? Somebody who's "misinterpreted" all the time? LOL.

I'm dead. "This other girl with me is a Thot Experiment" XD

“This must be what it’s like if you criticize Justin Bieber.” 🤣 lmfao!!!

I miss Michael so fucking much

This guy has textbook "pedant voice." For sure.

I was into Sam Harris for a long time. He is a great speaker and is very persuasive. However, when you look past the way he uses language, he rarely makes any great points or offers any new ideas. Many of the things he says are just obvious, and I find his logic to be flawed at times. He's still fun to listen to on occasion, however.

These guys are all Jordan Peterson followers now.

As another commenter has said, if he was only doing a thought experiment and wasn't trying to purposely upset people then it would have been *very* easy. All he would have to do is say "Of course for us in the real world my actual position is ...". A simple caveat to explain his actual position right before or after his "thought" experiment could have helped prevent "misunderstandings". If a lot of people misinterpret your meaning then the burden falls on you to communicate more effectively.

2:45 Michael's impression reminds of his Chris Christie impression 😂

I miss Michael!!!

I love how former extreme religious people discover Sam Harris and replace their religion with Sam Harris(PBUH) worship. Please, PLEASE expand your worldview. I agree with Sam Harris on religions across the board, but his policy positions/writing is awful.

Honestly thought Sam Harris was the guy from Night at the Museum or whatever that movie was called

Sam Harris is full of ship and is not idol or icon.

Sam Harris fanboys unite''

Why is this guy so confrontational/angry?

that last part killed me lololol

Wtf is a "new atheist"?

Creationism and biblical liberalism are related. I'm from a Bible literalist church. And they always say that its God's hands and that the world isn't going to end in any other way than what exactly what the Bible says.

Lol, I remember the "perfect weapons" argument. I was like: :rolleyes:... if the world had weapons like that, it would be a very different place indeed. Probably a dystopia where whoever had them eliminated anyone who was a threat to the status quo, assassinated world leaders they didn't like, etc.. It's not just gonna be all nice and lovely because the U.S. have them.

What is so disturbing is this caller seems to not think for himself. Why does he want to defend Sam Harris? Why can't he just state his own opinions and debate them with Seder and the crew? It makes Sam Seder's mockery of the Sam Harris cultists and fanboys seem no joke... they really are cultists.

From Christain fundamentalism to Sam neoconism great improvement but still didn't or don't want to study Islam and passionately hate Muslims that one common theme with many New Athiest movement

I'm really sad that I didn't learn about Michael Brooks until after we lost Michael Brooks.

My problem with "New atheism" is this: what's wrong with atheism? Why do we need a "new" version? I'm an atheist. I don't believe in an existential god character. That's it. "New atheism" "atheism plus" etc. are just superfluous. It's just adding baggage to something that's currently very simple. Don't become denominational like religion has. It's simple, atheist = doesn't believe in a god. Period. End of sentence, full stop.

So the caller doesn't understand what a metaphor is.

Sam Harris was the reason I stopped being a New Atheist. Well, him and the 200th hour of New Atheist debate I watched when I realised that Dicky Dawkins and co had very weak, immobile talking points they relied on over and over without room for deep analysis.

People like Sam Harris and this guy remind me of Christopher Hitchens and his stand on the war in Iraq to which FOXNEWS loved him but his atheism and support of Obama in 2008 changed their views which is what people like Harris will probably go through.

I just love people like this caller. Went from being a fundamentalist Christian to being a militant atheist. Reminds of those communists who went from being communists to staunch conservatives (some paleo-, others neo-). No sense of moderation.

Lmao Michael at the end though 😂

Greenwald has never misquoted Harris. That´s a good one.

its so funny how this guy thinks hes winning

I like to listen to Sam Seeder destroying Idiots..! It's like seeing Mike Tyson boxing random Dudes....

What's with the passive aggressive use of apostrophes??

What in the world is a "New Atheist" lol

Everyone wants a conversation.

Caller still sounds like he's a fundamentalist!

Ugh, and you thought the man himself was insufferable until you talked to this minion. At least the minion has the balls to call in and debate with you though. Harris never would.

How the hell did he ever get his degree if his writing is so bad that it keeps getting misinterpreted.q

That background makes me dizzy.

Yawn

0:37 turn on subtitles. Thank me later.

You are to Harris what Galloway was to Hitchens

You just made my point for me if I can just get it out.. No offence. Lol

correlezation

I'm only commenting to bring the total comments to 666.

3:18 LOL

"the only thing that currently stands between us and the roiling oceans of muslim unreason is a wall of tyranny and human rights abuses that we have helped to erect." (the end of faith, p.132) pretty much everything you need to know about the guy.

Why is there mocking laughter in the background all the time?

I didn’t know Sam Harris was all…those things. This displeases me.

"Do you play chess?"Ha ha

2:37 Not a Christian, but the world generally does fix things when they are getting bad. Doesn't debunk that particular form of christian world view at all? e.g Renewable energy sector has doubled in the last couple of years.

A call is a conversation, within your radio show, but it is still a conversation. If you don't want a conversation then don't entertain callers, simple as that.

if you are interested in atheism read some intro to philosophy and/or philosophy of religion. Its where the serious argument and discussion is. Sam Harris is not respected by any serious academic philosophy field. just saying #benstiller

Why does every crazy caller not know how to articulate any of their ideas other than saying they don’t believe anything. You can’t debate someone who already has chosen to believe anything you say.

Correlation does not equal causation

you can do it, its all right there. But you are probably the smart guy for people who don't know shit, which tricks you into thinking that you are actually sort of smart

Jesus Christ! That caller was all over the place with his illogical arguments! Another devoted Harris cultist with a lot of time on his hands.

I can't stop imagine Sam Harris listening to this and foaming from his mouth.... LMAO

Correlization is when correlation equals causation

Sam's logic is that in a life or death situation, we may have to torture the guy. But if the guy's that willing, what are the chances he'll spill if he's awaiting paradise? If anyone knows anything about these groups, they train their members to prepare for all manner of treatment.

Jesus Christ, are ALL Sam Harris adherents as arrogant as he is? People like this give athesists a bad name.

I'm a new atheist which means I'm more intelligent than any religious person

4:44 Islam is a Western religion…

Im not really well enough informed on this particular subject to be on either side. But the caller has a point. In this instance Sam Seder did employ some of the bullying tactics Bill O'reailly likes to use.

Its not that no one understands him. There are plenty of people who understand him and support him. However Harris himself is not someone who is willing to say under NO circumstances is military actions warranted. He is also quite critical of Islam. There are many on the left now whom somehow think that if you criticize Islam you somehow want to demonize all Muslims as well as support endless military involvement which a neo con would. Any threat is perceived with this irrational bias just like people who are right wing have their biases so do people on the left. But we can easily end this whole thing now by acknowledging Sam is pro intervention (of some kind) but not endless war Why not talk to Harris yourself. Everyone seems to be so good at interpreting him and "reading between the lines" You say one the one hand that he is misinterpreted by everyone. and on the other hand admit you are dismissing what he is ACTUALLY saying and insisting he must mean something else. That's a huge contradiction which I am sure will continue to be deliberately made no matter how many times he has clarified his position. Has it occurred to you that people on the left just like people in the right CAN be deliberately biased and can also have biased agendas even against other people on the left if they think that its the "right thing to do"

just another example of someone seriously misunderstanding or at least mis stating Mr harris' views.

just the empty arguments, intimidating laughter, cutting the caller off who makes points...I dont have to write anything more, that proves to me that these guys are not really in the business of ideas just slander and smearing

Funny!

sam vs sam

Sam Seder does talk over his callers a lot.

why not educate people instead of humiliating them, the dude is clearly new to these issues, now you probably turned him into a alt righter

Oh Sam...you are so sensitive. LMAO ;-) *"They treat women like chattel!"*

Lmfaoooo

Even if I agree with him, I give a thumbs down because this host is too combative, smug and childish in his approach.

People who aren't familiar with Sam Harris should read his work and make their own judgments about him. As a progressive myself I'm personally very surprised by how he's being characterized by people on the left.

you guys really aren't smart enough to understand what Sam Harris is saying. You should try a little harder

I think Sam Seder is awesome. I think Sam Harris is awesome. That is all.

12:51 Sam Harris advocates conversation of ideas. I would link to a direct quote, but we all know Sam Seder would just ignore it. But when Sam Harris, or anyone for that matter, speaks up about religious ideologous that stem from Islam, he/we are called Islamophobes. Just looks at how red in the face Sam gets in this video. Just like Billy boy when his only arugement is to shout "Shut Up!"

Seeder seems to be getting a little embarrassingly defensive here, why waste so much time on Sam Harris anyways?

It's actually quite fascinating to observe this phenomenon of people not getting Harris. I don't think he's perfect, but he's far from being a charlatan or a neoconservative. If you happen to be a rather cynical person and believe that people are really satisfied with being concerned exclusively with how things seem; having no real inclination to overcome their biases and get around their own egos to get closer to a more truthful mental model - well then I can understand why you would criticize Harris in this way and fundamentally mischaracterize his arguments. This would be a sensible response perhaps if most people were *actually* right wing religious demagogues or hawkish warmongers believing themselves to have the right of it without much self doubt (what a depressing state of affairs that would be...). On the other hand if you are the sort of person who reasons from first principles and is looking to reconcile inconsistencies in your model of reality first off and then inconsistencies with the models presented by others, Harris makes a lot of sense on the topics he discusses. Even in cases where he may actually come to the wrong conclusions given pragmatic grounds (he doesn't know everything, and in the foreign policy domain, he sometimes bites off more than he can chew) he is however seldom wrong in *principle*.... but perhaps that would seem meaninglessly abstract to this crew. The fact that they haven't even heard of the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy was telling; they also didn't seem to know that the ticking time bomb scenario depicted there has happened before. If you think thought experiments have nothing to do with reality, you simply don't understand what they are or their utility for getting at ethical truth. The only decoder items you need to understand Harris are your ears, an brain, but patience and a respect for logic and its utility really help. You would benefit from taking a philosophy course or two instead of treating discursive thought with such derision; it would do both you and your listeners a lot of good.

Creationism and climate change are only correlated in the US. In Europe there's not much correlation between them at all and in general the Left wing deny more science in Europe than the Right do. (GMOs, vaccines, nuclear power safety, biological differences between sexes etc etc)

Wow. I have seen more reasonable and fair argument from the Westboro Baptist Church and I'm not even exaggerating. All that was a stream of ad hominems and interruptions with some sanctimonious condescension thrown in. Sam Sedar makes Ann Coulter look like Socrates by comparison

I feel there is something/s unappealing about Seder. He's neither an easy listen nor an easy watch.

This Sam Seder acts very childishly in this phone interview. He doesn't actually address any of Harris's views seriously, and is obviously lying about having read the material in question, but expresses no hesitation in slamming Harris despite his ignorance of what was actually said. He treats his guest very rudely (and smugly). He then mocks Harris for complaining about the lack of journalistic integrity while he displays this very lack unambiguously. He didn't even address HOW calling Harris a "neocon" is "shorthand." We're sorry your brain is not big enough to apply philosophy to practical matters, Mr. Seder, but try to refrain from spouting nonsense and cheap jokes about a man who has devoted his life to serious moral philosophy. You are a) missing the point of the conversation, and b) spreading opinions without any basis in fact (due to the apparent lack of interest on your part of reading the body of work that you are dismissing as "huckster"-ism). It's incredible to me that you have viewers. The ones you do have...I feel sorry for them.

And since you prefer going for laughs, this long time subscriber is unsubscribing, adios Mr. Seder.

Ehmmmmmm.... I don't know why I am even subscribed to this channel anymore. There's no journalistic purpose being served here. Thanks for the fun in the past, it's time to move on.

If only there was a show that talked about their ideas instead of shit talking all day. Healthcare, Federal debt, Military spending, exc. Cant remember the last time I listened to you or anyone else talking about serious issues. Its all he said she said BS. Just rename the show, Guess who I dont like today.