Great example of ‘New car will fix game’ not being a good update pattern is GTA Online 😅

Halfway through The Crew 2's lifetime, I found myself playing the game more and more because the updates seemed to be getting more original, wacky and interesting, and its not just "New car" per update.

I personally think the festival playlist needs a revamp or possibly a 2.0 like the eventlab, it just feels repetitive af to do the same things each week to get a new car and it would also be great to add more customization and a better map, but I’m happy with this next forza update and can’t wait to play the new eventlabs and possibly create my own 👀

Hot take, but both Horizon AND Motorsport need a big shakeup to get/stay relevant, otherwise with this 'more of the same' formula they'll just get left behind because they choose to market the tech behind the game more than the games themselves

Your idea for a revamped Forza playlist seems neat and all but I have one massive problem with it, and that's locking the big rewards behind a multiplayer event. I do not what to be forced to play multiplayer in order to get new cars. I'm sure other people who prefer to stick to single player would agree.

"We need more than new cars"...yeah, that's why they've come out with the EventLab 2.0 lmao. You have got to respect the fact that the recent updates have been banger after banger, with great new cars and even better QoL updates. I still don't understand the criticism of the Horizon Playlist: you can get all the new cars for absolutely FREE (I remember when cars where only added via paid DLCs and boy I really do not miss those times lol), you just have to play a couple hours (btw, they DO have at least 2 community created events every week, I guess you missed that).

We need more racing games like Blur and Splt/Second. Those were fun as fuck.

This is what I would like to see in Need for Speed as well. I like the Idea of unlocking cats from specific events like the events in this video.

I picked up FH5 a few months ago. It was the first non-NFS racing titled I'd ever purchased, not counting Inertial Drift (phenomenal little game btw). I had maxed out my Unbound progression, and I was feeling burnt out on NFS for the first time in...really ever (I played Heat's campaign like 20 times). So, I wanted to try something else out for a bit and was intrigued by the Forza physics. Let me tell you, something. When I saw the consistency and quality of updates that FH5 was STILL receiving after nearly TWO YEARS--even with a new potentially game-changing IP for the brand right around the corner (Motorsport). I felt conflicting emotions. First, I felt that the Forza team actually cared a lot about their game. It's like they were saying "You paid good money for this game, and goshdarnit, we're going to make sure you get your money's worth and more, and more, and more." Granted, I realize PG and T10 are far from perfect, and the Forza base has it's own complaints. But I'm new to the franchise, so I'm only going off of what I've experienced so far. I'm still having a blast in FH5, and I know beyond doubt that the wave will carry me into Motorsport, at the very least, before it crests. And even then, the game will still be receiving significant support. On the other hand, I felt really sad and let down by Need for Speed, a franchise I've allowed to monopolize my gaming experience. I've been a staunch NFS apologist. I will make excuses for games like Unbound, and especially Heat, until the end of time. But until I actually experienced FH5 for myself, I didn't realize the full extent of how much has been missing from the NFS experience. I'll never give up on the NFS franchise, but I can no longer defend it in its current state. I can only wait and dream, "maybe next time."

Would be nice if Gran Turismo 7 added more fun and varied money grinding options, added more daily marathon systems with increasing demands that reset at the end of the day so you can get tickets more often, more events that make use of the whole car roster along with offering events where you can win the said cars instead of being forced to wait for the legends car dealership and such. But I guess the Evo III is nice too...

4:23 I’m dead lmao

The crew as arguably held me the longest when playing. Why? Bc of the updates being what should be regular updates. New cars, motor pass which ain’t only technically F2P, but also actual new events. They also added a race creator which was cool, even different vehicle types, even tho those weren’t that good but still

If they copy the same car obtaining system as The Crew, it will be a complete disaster, being within that % does not assure you anything because hackers always make sure in the last days to be in those positions

And that's why they are adding event lab 2.0

I'll be honest, i still dont believe Turn 10 is switching to a new engine for the next motorsport. 343 Industries said the same thing when making Halo Infinite, but a while after the game came out, some people discovered that it was still the same "Blam" engine that had been used in every previous First Person Halo game but further modified for the 80th bloody time and not the supposedly new "Slipspace" engine they said they were gonna use.

Black Pantha the goat 👇

You should become active on the Forza forums and get your members to vote there! That’s where Devs check for suggestions!

If EL2.0 is gonna carry over to FH6 (which I assume it will), then omfg that game is gonna be hella amazing.

You can literally build a second city....people are gonna go crazy with this

Imagine building a giant city or highway then being able to populate it with traffic and maybe even change the density 🤯 Quote on Quote buld your own Horizon Festival but from the group up 🤔

Alright, Theo, that's good to know! @6:42 yes, Lap Knock out! That's what's been missing in the racing games for long time!

Id hope that the groups working on the next horizon and moving it to a better engine are developing features like this and more, and then passing it on down to the teams still working with horizon 5 to kinda give us a taste and see how we respond to it (optimistic I know)

New cars are a very personal thing, for example, I am very excited for the new M2 coming in the next update but couldnt give a flying feck about the electric pick ups...plus I dont car about eventlab, pretty much only ever play them when its part of the festival and never found anything that blew me away Plus, we DONT need innovation in racing games, we just need to have good cars and good places to race them, thats all proper petrolheads actually need...proper petrolheads dont need an ingame minecraft island....just look at AC, JUST new cars and tracks have kept it relevant for years

There are a lot of sedans suvs hatchbacks and more which can be added in fh5 are cars like the CLA GLE EQE EQS SUV for Mercedes and some Audis E-torn q8 q8rs R8 roadster all gens.

I think if new update would bring new customizable options to existing cars and remake some old cars would be great

I think like a big upgrade for the festival playlist is to end all those horrific modes and just give us a selection of eventlab creations, at least i would play them for fun. Edit : oh, he already did a demonstration later on the video ahahshaha what a coincidence. But he didnt mention drag races, they would be soo cool on the festival playlist

4:00 a.m. needs to hurry up so I can play motor fest lol

1 more thing, if i remeber correctly they DID SAY that car models like s15 will be reworked etc. Where are those reworks, did thye forget? And did people forget too? Same with working roof, more cars were supposed to get em

I absolutly agreed with you on just about every point, right upto the vary end, where you had to throw a wrench in the works, and make a suggestion that would frustrate me and turn me off from the game even more than what we currently have... I am not a competitive player, and I heavily dislike playing online, so having cars locked behind certain positions in a multiplayer race where everybody is going to be dive bombing and pushing everybody else in order to get those top positions sounds like a nightmare I don`t even wanna mess with. Couple that with the idea that different places getting different car rewards means that not only would you be repeatedly replaying a race, but you`d be aiming for say 2nd or 3rd place specificly, meaning potentially another layer of frustration, and possibly another layer still if you have multiple people battling for 2nd place specificly, and nobody wants 1st. The potential fix for that would be for each person in the podium to get their place specific car, plus the cars won by the lower spots in the podium (1st gets all 3 cars, 2nd gets 2 cars, and 3rd gets 1 car), but the potential for frustration is still too high, not to mention even less people would earn the new cars... as for the ranking compared to everybody else, if it`s purely a bragging rights thing, than whatever, but if there are specific rewards tied to the ranking that are car related, than I want none of it as well... The crew 2 does a similar thing where by reaching certain rankings in the leaderboard nets you certain rewards, and while I don`t like the underglow and window tint stuff being part of the rewards, it`s all so gawdy and over the top looking that I don`t really care (not to mention alot of it can be bought, albeit for real money), and the car rewards tend to be specially customised versions of existing cars that you can already buy. You know what, if the rewards for reaching certain spots in the global rankings are money, badged, character customisation garbage, and forza edition versions of the cars that are already in the game, or of the cas introduced in the update, than I`m fine with that, as long as the base car is available to EVERYBODY who wished to earn / purchase it, without having to potentially grind an event for hours

I have some 100% drifting cars with drafting and drifting boost to still working on them keep your eye's open for Q564 to see them when I get them ready!

I wouldn't mind them using this current engine for the next Horizon. Hopefully, they eventually make the jump to a newer one. But they NEED to re-organize and overhaul the Multi-player/Social experience. Highlighting and making the EventLab/ Multi-player the main focus after the story campaign could be the bread and butter. Also, adding in User Created lobbies, especially for free roam, could extend the life of the franchise. And it would be really cool if you could load into an online free roam that has an event lab Creaton.

A major flaw I see in your playlist idea is having the only way to get a car if I playing online that's just going to make people stop playing the game especially if they don't like playing online or if they don't enjoy paying for subscriptions

The Crew have one off the best new content. They not only add new cars. They made Motorpass, Add new events, have weakly challenges and create their own Version off cars as rewards from those weakly Challeges. Now they chaged this in Motorfest and Now we have a catalog off monthly content with new things to do. This have some fomo but then you don't lose the principal content so it's fine.

linkups in unbound needed a delay tho , people weren’t running playlists because there was a linkup every 10 minutes, and doing nothing but linkups for progression was an L - maybe an hour is too long but it’s a step in the right direction for sure

Ive been sharing the same points for quite a while and on twitter. Im glad you're bringing this to light

This can be applied to all racing games. Having new cars is nice, but if the only new content are cars then it's lacking. FH5 is getting some pretty big updates that adds some extra content, like more stories or the upcoming Event Lab 2.0, but I have to agree that some of the updates that only added some new cars and sometimes only recycled cars were really lacking.

Been playing games for nearly 20 years, and Burnout Paradise is still the only racing game where I can still hop on at anytime and have fun, mainly because of the Freeburn Challenges. The grind to get 500 challenges done to get the Diamond P12 was fun in itself, and satisfying when completed. Most of the challenges are unique, some simple, some complex, and they all utilize the game world and bring you to places that you might not have known existed. You also get to interact with other players in the world and complete the challenges with them. I have finished all 500 challenges ages ago and I still hop back on the game from time to time because they are so much fun and I would like to help others to get their Diamond P12. Racing games nowadays are missing that co-op and social aspect in gameplay which Burnout Paradise excelled at. Most Wanted 2012's Speedlist was the closest imitation to it but nothing else has come close since.

This is why the only racing game I bought at full price was the crew motorfest, since I know it will maintain my interest long term

I`ve been hoping for a complete overhaul / replacement of the playlist pretty much since the game launched, because it`s been increadibly tedious constantly replaying the same events and tracks, with only minimal variations in the restrictions, in order to earn the car of the week, which I end up using one and never touching again anyway... I had initially vowed to basicly own every car, but after well over a year of repeating the same events every week, I eventually burnt out on the game, to where I haven`t even touched the game in a few months, and the new cars sure aren`t doing enough to pull me back in. I`m excited for the new eventlab, but that`s really only because the eventlab events were the only ones I was still looking forward to when doing the week`s playlist (due to them atleast being interesting and different, for the most part), and a revamped and more fleshed out eventlab means hopefully even more interesting and refined events... I seriously hope that they do revamp the playlist soon, because I think that the next horizon is at least good couple of years out, and I don`t think the playlist can carry the game that far (It`s barely been carrying the game this far as it is), and really needs a revamp as well... They absolutly need to add more event types into the playlist (and the multiplayer bits of the playlist need to go into the bin), and I`d be happy with the idea of the playlist being a curated bunch of eventlab events all tied together by a cohesive theme, with more variation in event types than just circuit, rally, and crosscountry ( drift events in closed roads, 1v1 touge style or highway races with or without traffic, drag events, lap knockout, tollbooth events with a time limit between checkpoints like in MW and carbon, there are so many possibilities), and the PG made events also need to utilize these props and feel unique, rather than feeling like rehashed events from the game`s "campaign". I would also like to see the playlist itself include more events, and maybe become a monthly afair, rather than a weekly one. Finally, if it doesn`t become a monthly thing where individual cars aren`t earned in individual events, I would like to atleast have the ability to either play previous playlists to earn any cars I missed the first time around, or I`d like to see the cars come back at a later date, and become permanantly available to earn or buy, rather than having to rely on the auction house, or hoping that I get lucky and the cars I want return to the forzathon shop at a time that I happen to be able to play the game. Also, I would like for snow to be an option in the eventlab, because as annoying as winter could be in FH4 when using road cars, it`s laughably underused in the map, and I`d like to see snowey eventlab events (or maybe a full map covered in snow for a season, courtesy of the "evolving world")

7:45 I can't burnout on keyboard

For real. I just find myself logging on for an hour or so a week, getting both or just one of the cars if I already have one, and just log off after

That Forzaupdate is great. Forza is being more like a builder for the community than a game now. In NFS case, put some relevant cars, like tuners from 90s. Cars that matter for the culture

Something I still dont understand is what happened to the gaming industry after 2019? We went from 2019 with having well put together games to after Covid with the new normal now with the plan for companies basically releasing half of the game with barely any work and over the course of the next year, they slowly build the game up to be where it should have been at launch with returning features being called new content. I mean seriously, when it’s not the re used assets that get a slight touch up or putting major features that where removed behind pay walls, because now it’s always something of why they released a broken shell of a game, because it’s been three years almost 4 now and Covid isn’t much of a an goof excuse to get away with this kind of stuff anymore.

I agreed up to the point when you locked the cars behind online race placement , that is unless you implement some form of FPS like MMR system

No, making the link ups take longer is exactly what it needed

Fixing the game might be, getting rid of silly jumps tracks/off road and making the game a little bit more realistic and less childish , don't you think guys????

That Mitsubishi looks better in FH5 because the lighting looks better than Motorsport

We need more to do with the cars given.

The only issue with the Forzathon upgrade is that some of my friends are mid at the game so they'd never get drip feed cars

Game changing, you really have no idea. My tracks take months to build. I hope this cuts like a momth off.

Linkups being delayed actually makes NFS more playable for me. I have cars i still need to unlock via playlists that no one wants to help out on because they’d rather grind linkups over n over

To be fair Horizon 5 has been on a winning streak with the past few updates... Ever since several people at playground games left they've been on a role.... Making them look like the primary target is a little unnecessary but somewhat understandable... As they were initially one of the main culprits of just slapping in new cars and calling it day... Not right now they arent tho

I think the issue is that they cant be bothered making the playlist they have so so so many differne tvehicle catagories that they dont use or they should make it be specific vehicles to make it more interesting because if you have every car there is no fun

They need ti give us actual new cars they be giving us to many other ld cars with more customization

For new cars, I’ll be the first one to unlock and customize them. But I wait until the next series before I really start using them, when the hype goes down. It’s not fun when everyone is in the same car at meets.

they need to do side story for new cars same 3 race but with voice lines to get you more invested in the vehicle

Fun fact FH3 was the only horizon with a fuel station in the outback.

I swear the Evo VII looks very good in Horizon 5 idk what they did with that FM8 trailer lmao

This is quite literally the same problam all new racing games have. ESPECIALLY GT 7. The entire campaign was rough since day one but instead of fixing/reworking them, we get a family van and a few minor updates.

Waiting for Nurburgring on the new event lab !!!

A last desperate chance before Motorfest launches 😏bye bye, Forza

8:11 So basically Crew 2 Summit but less grindy, has event lab tracks and it doesn't punish you for not having X car?

Asphalt 9, a mobile racing game is for some reason more active than Forza,Nfs or even the crew...

Very cool video black panthaa

Bad idea bc console players need to pay to play online. Same issue I have currently with the Festival Playlist since some events require online. Even some of the daily cards or whatever they're called.

Doesnt that bmw suv have a widebody kit though i was excited for it

Another great video, Keep it up mate ❤️

This is there answer to crew motorfest im guessing😂

3:58 it really does look better here

I honestly forgot eventlabs was even a thing. I've literally never used it😂 when I go back to fh5 to put in another 600 hours, I'm still not gonna use it ngl

If only we can go into photo mode while in multiplayer in lab events

Quality >>> quantity

Bro somehow made the festival even worse 😅

We need a modern midnight club it’s so simple but hopefully the new tdu will come and respark out community

I think I’ve reached that level of boredom or have that type of dedication to play event labs but maybe I’ll give it a try and that’ll make the game more interesting. And honestly i think I’d be happy if they would add the widebody charger already lol and i think the point system is to make it fair for everyone even those that aren’t good at forza.

The reason they had to delay the Linkups is because without that delay, people are just gonna play that mode over and over and over again and people will burn out of the game faster.

This video should be more directed to GT7 than any other racing game.

Anyone know what is up with the (Lotus Exige S 2006) EA nerfing? They won't let me use my max set ups anymore!

i want a silvertop 4age in FH5, personal reasons i have some beef with some players

A good example of shaking things up. Midnight club L.A. The wager races, the ordered events (basic nowadays) unordered events were amazing. Pink slip wagers. Delivery missions. And a solid story line (although cringe at times) Thats what open world games should be all about.

If they really wanna make a memorable experience, they need to look at games like NFS MW 05, NFS Underground 1 and 2, Midnight Club LA. They all had a fun story mode, filled with missions that helped you progress the story. Nowadays, they just throw you map with nothing to accomplish except collect cars....

Bring back the grind! Starting the game with a low tier car and working just to get upgrades, let alone getting a better car, is what is missing from the series.

1969 VW 230mph 1/4 9.8 0-60 2.8 578 horsepower 518 max torque with draft and drift boost with Herby skin for comedy purposes 😄 EA keeps nerfing my mods so have fun figuring out how I set my stats up.

Event Lab did become the Planet Coaster for Forza Horizon! 😅

Theo spittin’ facts today!

Is the a new lancer haven't seen one of those before. Hope its in the new borza motorsport

Games with customization should give us more customization as awards. Imagine how great should be give your RX7 a new to the game a Veilside kit

What the 🤬 is a Kilometer 🇺🇲🦅🏈 😂😂😂

why u ignoring the massive update they gonna put out for event labs

Adding a new car to a racing game is like adding another weapon skin to a shooter

so happy motorfest is out tomorrow

Pant's new UI would make me stop playing forza horizon if they implemented it. Its very similar to The Crew 2's terrible clunky mess. I play racing games for the PvE and co-op online content because online PVP in a racing game is cancer in my opinion. Locking somone's favorite car behind a place in an online championship is a surefire way to tick off a lot of the community. It would be like LOL locking a champion for anyone who isn't diamond.

Does anyone know if motorfest will be on Ubisoft plus for PlayStation?

UPDATE ON THE M3 GTR BUILD PLEASE >>>>>>>>>>>

Eventlab was literally the thing that the game was built/showcased on yet it took over a year to improve upon it in a way that doesn't make it inconvenient like the livery editor. Matter of fact, why hasn't the livery editor been given community logos that don't lock the design? What if you are really good with the lines on a livery, but you don't know much about making logos.

POV:You just made a video complaining that cars aren’t enough for Forza updates when they just added huge features for eventlab Fuckin hell Theo

This video needs too be shown too the head office. Literally what pants said I get online maybe 1 a week if I like the new car I get it drive it for like 20-30mins and im back off. And if I try to play in between I get off after the first crash cuz im just that bored of doing always the same

You had to slow down for cops in nfs mw too, what's your point

Every modern racing game. No QoL or race type/game mode additions. And people wonder why racing games are no longer bought by mainstream audiences.

This is off topic but. The Need for Speed franchise has the opportunity to do something great in 2025. They can celebrate a 10 year anniversary of the reboot of the franchise (coz NFS 2015) *and* have a 20 year anniversary for the original Most Wanted (2005) by making a new Most Wanted title. What do y'all think?