New Heroscape's Units Are Different, Here's Why

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Tabletop Bro

Tabletop Bro

Жыл бұрын

One of the biggest complains amongst Heroscape's die hard "supporters" is that the new units are WAY too different than in the original run. Nobody seems to know why Hasbro would go from such an eclectic assortment of figures to just five factions.
WELL I asked Avalon Hill and here's what they told me!

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@roseheart270
@roseheart270 Жыл бұрын
Definitely worth figuring out the historical units. That's...a big part of it.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
I'd like to think if it funds they'll come but alas....
@aevox2358
@aevox2358 Жыл бұрын
I feel like this interview showcases well one of the biggest problems with the project, in that it highlights the disconnect between the designer decisions and what fans actually want. It's almost like the choices were made behind the scenes without first caring to inquire to what it is that fans really wanted out of a revival. People who were fans of Heroscape want to relive the feelings they had with the original and the more things you change the less likely they are to be on board. If the game doesn't "feel like Heroscape" then what's the point? Heroscape's eclectic nature was one of the selling points of the game. Plenty of players WANT to see more historical figures and pop culture knock-offs because it's fun to see how your dinosaur would fare in a fight versus my robot or your soldiers against my medieval knights, etc. At the same time, those players who preferred a fantasy or sci-fi or other niche could simply pick and choose to play with just those units. So in that way it was a game for everyone. There's a reason the original game focused on pop culture. Because those characters are based on things we can easily recognize and connect with. The new game achieves its goal of having unique factions, but the side effect of these random characters is that we no longer have something we can easily recognize and connect with. So the new units and concepts all blend together instead of standing out to us as recognizable heroes and villains would. Add to that the fact that the units are unpainted and they really DO blend together even more. I understand from a logistical perspective they might not have had a choice. But it certainly didn't help sell the vision.
@TheOrdinarySaint
@TheOrdinarySaint Жыл бұрын
+1
@the_essalim
@the_essalim Жыл бұрын
This interview bit, Heroscape's motto of Battle of ALL Time, and Dad Scaper's Pride and Prejudice quote are hitting home in trying to help Heroscapers understand this IP is meant to be a massive mix, but it also has to be unique to the brand itself. I can get behind that, and I love the aesthetics behind Noxdorma and Arboreas
@HeroQuestFans
@HeroQuestFans Жыл бұрын
great job scoring these interviews... very insightful. I had not seen all of these until now. as one of the people who would have wanted the campaign to succeed even though I didn't grow up playing HeroScape, it helps me understand what they were up against
@TheHelium999
@TheHelium999 Жыл бұрын
thanks again. I really love your short videos and I like their honesty. So cool to have these insights!
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
Thanks again. I really love your comments!
@ashton8987
@ashton8987 Жыл бұрын
I think the new units are amazing. it’s sick they come together as a faction rather then starting with one or two figures in the faction then collecting the rest over time in expansions. I’m sure (if it succeeds) they will release more member of each faction in expansion as well anyways. So best of both worlds
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
I'm also in what appears to be the minority of fans who really likes the new units.
@AndrewGarrett_LordTubtub
@AndrewGarrett_LordTubtub Жыл бұрын
We are going to need more of that fine dancing good sir =) Thanks for doing the thing!
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
twas not I I'm afraid!
@heathhacker8948
@heathhacker8948 Жыл бұрын
What I thought was a masterful move was going from just animal people been done to cyborg animals ..nope been done ...um ooo Steampunk animals, there is something close already OK Fine Cyborg Steampunk Animals !!! Original IP are HARD to come up with. As for the Zerg comment, NEMESIS WAR BROOD is a bug race yes but they are no Zerg or Tyranids I see completely different tactics here and as a Bug Fan Heroscape should have it's own bugs ( Bug Lovers Unite don't hate or I will Challenge you with my Xenomorph army LOL ) .
@joshuacamp7974
@joshuacamp7974 Жыл бұрын
I understand the idea of building a new IP, and I am not against new factions. What they came up with, especially the clockwork combine (because I thought they are the worst), was just disappointing, the whole reason I play the game is because it feels like a combination of all my favorite things. I have my historical game, my fantasy game, my sci-fi game and others all in one. (Besides, did anyone notice that in the intro of the video the creator in naming the new factions called one the "Zerg". So much for new IP.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
Hello! The Creator here. The Clockwork Combine is the best and I was doing my best to be reductive of each faction 🤷‍♂️
@TheOrdinarySaint
@TheOrdinarySaint Жыл бұрын
Clockwork Combine and Ironclad pushed me right out of backing this. Oh, that and attempting to charge me $250 for a bunch of factions I DON'T want and a bunch of terrain I already have. Nice try.
@joshuacamp7974
@joshuacamp7974 Жыл бұрын
@@tabletopbro That's cool if you like the Clockwork, we all have our preferences. I just don't like them personally. Sorry if that came off wrong. I just found it interesting that in trying to come up with a new IP, which is almost impossible, for that vary reason. Even you identified it with an already known similar IP. I like the idea of bringing a bunch of similar to already known IPs to the table. I like the bugs.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
@@joshuacamp7974 s'all good! I was just giving you a bit of crap don't worry.
@Bigtmac2200
@Bigtmac2200 Жыл бұрын
At least they are showing cards so we can use them for customs.
@themesongfan452
@themesongfan452 Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I stumbled on this within two minutes. That's a treat.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
What a wholesome comment!
@themesongfan452
@themesongfan452 Жыл бұрын
@@tabletopbro Well, I was at work and technically wasn't supposed to be on my phone at all, much less searching for the latest Heroscape videos on KZfaq. So I got here within two minutes of the upload by lucky coincidence but didn't have time to post a comment that amounted to anything more than "first". 😅Didn't stop me from listening to the video on my stealthily hidden headphones, though.
@magnusstudios147
@magnusstudios147 Жыл бұрын
Please let this get backed!!!! I still have my packs but I want the new one
@magnusstudios147
@magnusstudios147 Жыл бұрын
Anyone who backed it plz let us keep the purchase
@JOECRAZY3193
@JOECRAZY3193 Жыл бұрын
Good Question! Love the response! Well done bro!
@Forgemaster-ob8yz
@Forgemaster-ob8yz Жыл бұрын
RIP Heroscape.
@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860
@kingerikthegreatest.ofall.7860 Жыл бұрын
I’m bummed that it probably won’t get funded.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
Same here
@skywhale8214
@skywhale8214 Жыл бұрын
Dryan Lifeborne best faction. Can't possibly top Onshu. And I will always be on the board of unique designs being better than "discount" designs of popular media. I love that Heroscape is trying to become more its own thing.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
Same! I really like a lot of the new units
@manlyastronaut6984
@manlyastronaut6984 Жыл бұрын
Since the campaign will probably not succeed (the writings are on the wall), do we know if AoA will release in some form or another?
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
It won't. This is it unfortunately.
@minifictionjsg
@minifictionjsg Жыл бұрын
These guys dont know what scapers want and thats a big reason their reboot is not working. The guy on the left never even played the game until a couple weeks ago.
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
ima need you to watch "How to Revive a Dead Game (feat. Avalon Hill)
@TheOrdinarySaint
@TheOrdinarySaint Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's obvious this was made without much, if any, input from long time fans--a bunch of guys and gals in their 30s and 40s ready to spend money if Heroscape really was "Baaack!" It wasn't and we dropped it like a bag of rocks.
@jasongreig4039
@jasongreig4039 Жыл бұрын
I wish they would have made figures we liked instead of figures they liked
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
@@TheOrdinarySaint their development team literally comprised of people who have been developing customs for the game for 12 years lmao
@RestlessFrog
@RestlessFrog Жыл бұрын
Tablestache Bro
@oogyboogysnoogy
@oogyboogysnoogy Жыл бұрын
The old characters are more protectable than generic unpainted figures. You can just develop the stories that were made. They weren’t as derivative of generic crap as these new factions
@anarchistbunny3339
@anarchistbunny3339 Жыл бұрын
he didnt really explain WHY thou....so this video wasnt very good.. i love Heroscape. but having a change like this is just awful in my opinion and the characters are still not painted!!! if i should pay $250-$275 the characters should be painted aswell. none of that trash ass color coating stupid crap. thats just being lazy!!!
@tabletopbro
@tabletopbro Жыл бұрын
I mean, he kinda did. You can’t really build a brand or franchise off cheap pop culture knock offs. Painting units is extraordinarily expensive. 71 figures PLUS painted terrain PLUS the walls and trees for $250 is a steal
@darrellgracy2883
@darrellgracy2883 Жыл бұрын
@@tabletopbro Yeah he explained it, it just wasn’t a good explanation. He decided not to go with historical figures because he wanted build a brand. The brand is HeroScape and it’s a about random units from time battling it out. Not even sure how owning your own IPs has anything to do with the quality of the game. If it’s not what a lot of people wanted, and not what it was before, just make what people wanted.
@Forgemaster-ob8yz
@Forgemaster-ob8yz Жыл бұрын
@@darrellgracy2883 If you think this is bad try getting into any other tabletops in existence such as Warhammer. Seldom will you ever find miniatures that are pre-painted, and if they are, they're of incredibly low quality. Your standards are way too high. Plus if you think $250 was bad for a starter pack, just look at the price tags of the Warhammer community and that will give you an idea of the outrageous expense it is for anyone to engage within the tabletop war gaming community.
@darrellgracy2883
@darrellgracy2883 Жыл бұрын
@@Forgemaster-ob8yz Your standards are too low. You forgot this is Hasbro, much larger than Games Workshop. And how can it be too high, they already did it one before, that set the standard for rest of this game. Also price was never an issue for me.
@darrellgracy2883
@darrellgracy2883 Жыл бұрын
@@Forgemaster-ob8yz Also you responded to a wrong comment of mine. My comment was discussing the issue of lack of historical figures and their poor excuse for it. Not the painted issue or price.
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