kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adOfo9V2mrmXgZc.htmlsi=HAw-fcIUCIKEOOwC This explains the reasoning behind the jump to M4

Same here and not planning to upgrade for a while.😉

New iPad Pro cons ▫️Apple removed the 2nd rear camera 🔸Apple removed 1 studio microphone 🔹Apple Pencil 2 won’t work with it 🔻Existing Magic Keyboard won’t work with it 🔺The M4 chip in the 256 and 512 GB models is a binned whip with lower GPU and performance cores than getting an 1T or 2T model which has the fully unlocked M4 chip.

I have the same model. I'm glad I bought it in 2018 and it's honestly amazing that I've used it as my main drawing device for years. Easily the best device purchase I've made and it is responsible for many of my artworks. That said, lately I've started doing animation with Procreate Dream, and it lags more frequently than I can ignore. If I'm still rocking with Procreate only, I won't need to upgrade but this time I have to say goodbye to my current iPad. It's awesome to see many people still using the model.

Mine had a ghost touch bug, sent it back and they gave me another one that was worse.

12.9 M1 here no way im upgrading for 2 more years I will wait for a 15 or 20 hour battery life

That would be a plus in my book - I hate Apple accessories often only lasting for one -two at most- generation of the main machine

Apple shamelessly shilled this M3 on their MacBook Pros. The buyers can’t be happy right now.

The M3 is fine, but this is exactly correct, that was a stopgap until TSMC could move to the more advanced 3nm process. I don’t really care what chip they put in what device…

@@davidl1329why should they have continued to sell M2 processor in their laptops when they could release something better 🤨

It’s not a subpar process. It’s the first version of the process which gives big advantages over the previous 5nm process. The 2nd version of the process is better. That’s the way it works.

@@melgross the n3b process had low yields, it was a stop gap on the way to the n3e process which is what m4 is based on.

M4 is a big deal for almost everyone due to the NPU on the SoC. They're are about to introduce on Jun 10th a ton of additions to the OS and standard apps that take advantage of generative AI.

To be honest that’s the huge turn off. I can’t use it for any of my development work. Just nothing!!! If it were possible, that would have been my go to device.

Apparently it's fast becoming 'the thing' in 2D design.

True. ipad is useless to me without full access to Microsoft office or 365 (which is used by almost 1.4b users in the world). Sadly its just for digital artist. Overkill for rest of us. Only macbooks/mac makes sense in apple lineup.

@@samjaiwin What Office features are “must haves” for you that the mobile versions don’t have? Have you let Microsoft know that those features need to be in their apps? The software limitations aren’t because of the device or OS - it’s due to business decisions at software developers who don’t want to cannibalize other parts of their product lines.

To a large extent, yes. People seem to think that Apple is selling higher end products to people who don’t need them, but they’re not. If you need it, then you buy it, if you don’t, then buy a less expensive model.

Wow for $2,000, I could buy four (4) fully spec basic iPad 9th generation models (smile...smile).

@@transitengineer not sure what I would do with four of them. It’s more of a toy just to check it out and see what it’s capable of doing versus our new MacBook.

With half that price you could've bought a tab S8+ with the pencil included.

@@SuperJuvexxxDidn’t want an S8. I’m in the Apple ecosystem system.

I went for the 13" 1TB myself. Only the 1/2TB models had the option for Nano-glass (not that I want that) and get the 'full' M4 Chip and double the RAM too. I also ordered the new Keyboard and Pencil Pro too. @transitengineer you could buy older gen options, but you won't get an OLED screen, the front facing camera in the 'right' landscape position, can't use the new 'Pro' pencil which, as an artist/Calligrapher is very appealing, and stuck with the 'old' keyboard without the 'useful' function row and better Track pad. Whilst the older gen iPads are still great and now cheaper, doesn't mean its the right purchase for everyone. If you want the feature set of the new Pencil Pro, you'll need at least an Air but that doesn't have an OLED screen or work with the 'new' Keyboard. Its also heavier too... It may not be worth it to you, but for others, it could be the 'iPad' they've wanted Apple to make for years and why they didn't upgrade to the M2...

Same here, I still sketch on mine too. They are nowhere near a full solution.

That fast ??? I do love to see m4 mac is coming. Really want to see apple make Mac Pro become a true pro machine. Maybe Mac Pro become a huge PCIE/MPX tower and M4 ultra become a MPX card, user can add up to 4 m4 ultra MPX card ???

The Pros were always a niche product line just like MBP and Mac Pro

matte screen protectors for iphones and ipads have been there for ages. They look and feel different to glossy glass, they look cool, they hide fingerprints and they give paper-like feeling when drawing. But this is personal, so you could spend like 15$ on a matte screen protector (they also call them "paperlike screen protector" for iPads) and try it yourself.

I went to the Apple Store today and compared their matte and glossy studio monitors side by side, and I have the same conclusion. The matte looked blurry and slightly out of focus, enough to be noticed. I compared text and images side by side and the blurring of the matte was a total deal breaker for me. The glossy one looked so much sharper, so it’s glass finish for me for sure! I totally considered the nano-textured glass iPad at first but not anymore. I hope I’m right! 😅

I already have an iPad Pro. I also do a lot of reading. But I mainly read epubs so I use a dedicated e-ink device that doesn't fatigue your eyes refreshing @60+ times a second.

I agree. He even said “you won’t be doing 120 fps gaming on an iPad” … umm, a lot of the newer games and even some as old as PUBG Mobile have upped their FPS to take advantage of the Pro models abilities.

@@JeffMyers409yeah Fortnite was running at 120fps on the A12X iPad Pro 😂

Thank you 😁

Battery times indicated are the same. 11” has bigger battery and 13” has smaller battery. I think mini led are thirsty hence they could shrink battery. But still it will be interesting to see with 1000 nit display how it will perform.

Same. I was hoping this would be the year I’d upgrade mine, maybe next year

Resolve will work fine with 8GB if you're using consumer codecs (or BRAW), even at 4K. Our experience with M chips is that you do start to see slowdown the longer you're working on a timeline, and if you're trying to do anything too complicated. 16GB would make a difference in those scenarios. I've done some quick video edits on iPad, and it works well for that, but for any serious projects I want a Mac or PC. If your MBP is M1, then it is true to say that the additional encoders and GPU performance in M2 and M4 will perform better, but that would be countered by the limitations of working in iPadOS (file management, interface etc.). And the benefits you do get would mostly be seen in final render times, as the M1 is already quick enough for simple editing.

I hope we get something meaningful, but I think we have to buy our iPads based on what they are now, not what we hope they might be. Speaking as someone who learned that lesson after rushing to buy the 1TB M1 iPad Pro, thinking "there's no way Apple would have put an M1 in an iPad unless there were big changes coming to iPadOS". 😁 I do genuinely hope for more this WWDC.

Thanks. 😊 I try to state both to cater to both audiences. I also have quite a few viewers in Europe and India... might get a bit too confusing to do them all though!! 😁

I expect there will be plenty of deals about on M2 models. That is a very good argument for Apple including FaceID on all the models. Frankly, I wish they all had both TouchID and FaceID.

@Harrysound If you live in the US, the refurbished section of Apple website offer M1 12.9" and the price is decent compared to the new M4

I would buy Mom a used M-1 iPad Pro.

I read that it also encodes and waits for the reviews for clarification.

It's all in the mind... ...living rent free!

@@ConstantGeekery 😄

The USB C on the keyboard only exists to provide power to the iPad in order to free up the one on the iPad itself (and it will pass through 60W by the way). You’re not required to use it Not sure what difference the side would make, but there are plenty of USB C dongles for like $20 that also provide pass through charging, multiple USB interfaces, HDMI etc.

@@jimscardelis284 there is more the one way to sort this problem, but, my pint is this don’t not be a problem at the first place, specially for this high price

Great choice 👍🏻

Yes, I own the basic iPad 9th generation which, you could still buy on Apple's web site for $329, until yesterday. Because, I always get the basic vintage iPad models with max memory and the cell data option. Plus for another $125, I added the Logitech Combo Touch Keyboard that does it all (smile...smile).

Also, Google got slammed for using Tensor 2 in the Pixel Fold instead of the Tensor 3 that was due out soon. When Apple does right, creators slam it because they bought an M3 recently. The previous iPad Pro was an M2, so that take by creators/tweeters is irrelevant.

If they would do that they would knife themselves in the back in regards to Macbook (Air) sales. Not going to happen.

@@valynoris iPad or MacBook better?

@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 That really depends on you and what you want to do with the device.

Mac can do more. Ipad os is more of a nerfed mac. In between ios, and mac ​@@dark_nightwing_xl2797

​@@dark_nightwing_xl2797if you are a light user you can buy both MacBook air and 10gen ipad for less than 1500$. And you still get best of both worlds.

Sorry follow-up... (that will teach me to write a comment whilst watching a video)... with all the different SKUs is apple going back to their ways of the 90's... I really hope not, because if they are we are heading to heap of confusion and hot mess.

It does feel a little confused. Just the Pencil selection is probably enough to bamboozle the average consumer!

More space and oled maybe?

@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 Fair enough, I bought my current iPad because it has a pretty nice screen. But I doubt I would notice a difference with the new screen. I don't use it outside. But I never use the storage; similarly I don't use the Gigs on my watch or Apple TV.

Correction you have nothing to do with the iPad. There’s plenty of use cases to take advantage of the performance

With the power performance ratio of Apple Silicon, I do really wish they would make an apple version of the Surface Pro. on a 14"+ scale. This would replace my daily MacBook Pro and pen tablet.

@@JamesWilliam70 I suggested a different name today, Mac Book Pro Elite. Touch screen, foldable laptop, ultra thin. 120hz display.

... let me add that I'd really prefer the larger screen, but I do not think the extra size was worth the extra cost.

I just got some half decent external NVMe drives to use with my iPad Air, the last before M1 came into the range. Does enough for my storage needs, but would get the 512Gb Pro model out of preference for something decent onboard to avoid the dreaded single NAND issue. Would prefer the 13" variant, but happy to use the 11" as my current Air is more than sufficient screen wise in all reality.

You are very kind!

Your are 100 percent correct. Apple inc., is just saying please give us $3,000 (desktop, laptop, or iPad Pro) of your money and, we will be happy (smile...smile).

Neural engine is only about a 5-10% bump based on what I'm reading.

​@@ConstantGeekery The Neural Engine went from 18 TOPS (M3) to 38 TOPS (M4). A15 - 15.8 TOPS, M2 - 15.8 TOPS A16 - 17 TOPS, M3 - 18 TOPS A17 - 35 TOPS, M4 - 38 TOPS I have the idea that the M3 shares the A16 architecture and the M4 the A17 architecture. There is a ~15% increase between M2 and M3.

@@edwinschaap5532 yes, but Apple quoted TOPS (or more accurately, tflops) for M3 based on FP16, whereas they are now apparently quoting based on INT8. You can’t directly compare them. It’s about 5% difference if that is the case, based on what I read.

@@ConstantGeekery Ah yes, that's their trick to double the performance. They talked about the move to int's last year. So the NE is 5% faster using float models, but it can deliver double performance on integer models. That's logical since integer ALU's are much simpler. So the current Geekbench test uses float-models that show only marginal differences. This would change if Geekbench would include an integer-model test. Then we would see the double sized bar. And if int's work just as fine for ML, it's a great move to speed up things.

@@edwinschaap5532 do you have a source for that? I’m finding it difficult to find definitive information. Geekbench ML includes INT8 tests. When you look at the score breakdown there’s very little difference between those scores and FP16.

Using M-chips has nothing to do with a master plan to move to macOS on an iPad. It is to do with costs and providing the best they can for the pro models. It is up to developers to code for iPadOS, but they are reluctant as it is a small market. Apple is only expected to sell 5 million iPad Pros in 2024.

Those are my thoughts exactly. The monotony of people complaining that the iPad does not do the stuff they want is boring. It is a tablet with a mobile OS that has been around since day one. Buy a Mac and iPad, and the problem is solved. It is not rocket science, even if the iPad is only a cheaper model or older model.

You’re conveniently forgetting the bit I said about niche apps. A developer can technically target this specific chip, but developers more usually want to target delivering an experience on all the iPads, so they can make money. Additionally, there are relatively few apps and use cases, whether on iPadOS or macOS that can fully tap out the multicore performance of a chip like M4. In general use, the iPad will spend most of its time not even scratching the surface of M4’s performance envelope.

@@ConstantGeekery that’s not true either. If you are developing a 3D game, you can absolutely take advantage of the extra performance. If you are developing a 3d modeling or rendering application, you can absolutely take advantage of its improved GPU with hardware ray tracing. If you are developing a 2D illustration app you can take full advantage of the memory, bandwidth and other things there as well. So across the board, all categories of software can take full advantage of the M4 chip. I hope you issue a correction to this spreading of misinformation

@@BillRey I fear you have misinterpreted my comments and are attempting to apply them universally to a context outside of their intent. Yes, of course a 3D render can use the additional performance... just like video editing, which I already spoke about in the video... thus acknowledging the caveat. In things like rendering, it's possible to fully separate the workload into threads and distribute those threads across all the available cores. That approach to development is simply not possible in every situation, and many apps will not scale beyond a few threads. Some apps are entirely single-threaded and due to the way iPadOS handles multi-tasking, that in itself might be seen to be a limiting factor. Developers need their app to be available to as wide an audience as possible in order to earn money, so unless there's a specific use case like those mentioned above, the developer will likely choose an iPad spec to be the lowest common denominator and target their app to deliver a good experience at that level. It may well be that the app can run better/faster on the M4 compared to say the A12X, but that is not at all the same thing as saying the app is able to fully utilise the performance of the chip. And there are other bottlenecks in hardware, software, connectivity and human involvement that mean some tasks are already running as fast as they reasonably can, so adding more performance won't help. For example, even if you are determined to do some heavyweight video editing, music production, or 3D work on an iPad, your workflow will likely be bottlenecked by other factors - like the poor file management in iPadOS. This serves to create another barrier in the full utilisation of the hardware. Hence my comments about iPadOS itself. Yes, the M4 will do some things faster than previous generation chips, but it will not be universally faster in every way. Some users with niche workflows (or perhaps I should say, workflows that might be considered niche when attempted on iPad) may be able to extract more of the M4 goodness. However, most users will not be in those niches and therefore are much less likely to be able to fully utilise the performance of M4, perhaps due to lack of apps in their workflow that can be written to maximise utilisation of the M4, or due to limitations in iPadOS. I have spread no misinformation.

@@ConstantGeekery Apple have some built-in APIs to fully take advantage of all cores and compute units. iPad apps can take full advantage of the M4. Whether your use case calls for a high performance computer or not is on you. The same goes for any type of computer. Don’t mix things up and don’t spread untruths.

I recommend you not buy Apple products. ;-)

In 2001, I learned you "either play Apple's game" or "you make them play your game". So, years ago when they introduced the basic iPad 10th generation, I rushed home and ordered the older classic iPad 9th generation with 256G and the cell data option. Picked-up a Logitech Combo touch Keyboard and added my already owned Apple 1st generation pencil (smile...smile).

People whining about the front camera placement meant that Apple had to change the charging port for the Pencil and choose to use newer tech for its side-mounting. This is likely what made the older pens non-compatible. Most pro digital artists buy the new pencil because of its new features. You can easily sell secondhand the older Pencil.

@@andyH_England Based on your comment I see that you didn't understand the problem. The new Pencil Pro is NOT compatible with ALL versions of iPad or iPad Pro, except for the new ones iPad Pro M4 and iPad Air with M2. So if someone simply want to use the new Pencil Pro, they MUST buy the BIGGEST DONGLE EVER MADE, that is the new iPad Pro M4 or the new iPad Air M2!!!

@@marcodimario9918 I do understand it but maybe didn’t explain it the best way. Apple has relaunched the new Pro Pencil around the new charging zone on the latest releases which is at the side, not the top. Could they have done some stuff to re-engineer the old charging strip to work on the side? Possibly, but that is not how tech works. They probably had a next-gen wireless charging coil and that was not backward compatible. I will give them the benefit of the doubt rather than flexing that they have intentionally implemented this for upselling. Do either of us know the facts? Maybe not, but some are too quick to jump on the Apple is evil bandwagon.

I mean, just don't be a twat and bend it? Idk about you, they could probably make this thing 3x as thick and I could still easily bend it in half if I wanted to...