New Laptop Memory Is Here! LPCAMM2 Changes Everything!

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It only took 25 years, but laptop memory is about to level up. We’ve got the first hands-on look at LPCAMM2, the new memory standard that’s about to change everything-it’s fast, efficient, thin and lightweight, AND it’s completely repairable and upgradeable. Laptop makers that use soldered RAM might just be out of excuses.
We’re taking apart the very first laptop you can actually buy that uses LPCAMM2, with an assist from our friends at Micron and Lenovo. Check it out!
Full disclosure: iFixit works with both Micron and Lenovo to bring more repairable products and replacement parts to market, including on iFixit.com. Neither company had any input on the editorial content in our video.
For a more in-depth tech explainer on how LPCAMM2 works, check out our blog.
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@JoaoCarlos-df1zw 24 күн бұрын

Ok, you got me, that compression connector being replaceable is cool af

@marius8032 24 күн бұрын

exactly

@JacobScharmberg 24 күн бұрын

Yeah I was thinking just that! Those pins look very fragile but if its replaceable that's not a big problem at all. Makes me wonder if we couldn't have replaceable LGA CPU sockets to save all those motherboards that die every year because people drop CPUs into them.

@Myself-yh9rr 24 күн бұрын

Are the pins similar to that of a CPU socket? That would be a good reason to make them replaceable. LGA sockets are so delicate!!

@RichardEricCollins 24 күн бұрын

That made me go "wow".

@JacobScharmberg 24 күн бұрын

@@Myself-yh9rr I'm not sure but they certainly look very similar to me.

@highvis_supply 24 күн бұрын

the fact that you can replace the pins as well is frankly a godsend

@BrentBlueAllen 23 күн бұрын

Absolutely love that design choice

@turolretar 23 күн бұрын

Cause they wear out so frequently right

@MattThompsonOnGoogle 23 күн бұрын

At first I was thinking 8-bit NES pin problem, until I saw that.

@BigBenAdv 22 күн бұрын

@@turolretar They made it for a (user) field replaceable component and LGA pins can very easily be bent out of shape or broken by accident. Having a replaceable compression connector like this allows for the 'socket' itself to be another FRU without needing specialized tools. Additionally, the compression connector allows for the correct 'tension' to be applied to the pins without requiring any specialized clips (think CPU brackets) that would increase the costs and size (not good if you want ultra slim laptops).

@2xtreem4u 22 күн бұрын

not on a apple computer :)

@JohnRowley 23 күн бұрын

The chances of Apple using this are zero

@danmarm5357 17 күн бұрын

They are a green company and love the planet as long as it helps them make more money. No way they are gonna help the users extend the life cycle of their product.

@JohnRowley 17 күн бұрын

@@danmarm5357 They are not a green company and do not love the planet - but perhaps you are saying this in a round about sort of way? They have no reason not to help the user extend the life cycle of their product because Apple makes billions of dollars per year on their services alone (iCloud, Apple Music, apple TV, Game Center) - the extra profit they make on being hostile to user repair is pure greed and not necessary for them to be a successful business and maintain their power. Apple has huge stockpiles of cash that they don't even know what to do with.

@glasses2926 15 күн бұрын

@@danmarm5357 The green in Apple's green vision stands for the colour of the US dollar bill

@prathamshenoy9840 13 күн бұрын

they want higher sales. they will not provide upgradibility especially now that non-apple laptops will catch up with arm

@Chefteguh 13 күн бұрын

until they get slapped by EU

@shApYT 24 күн бұрын

Hopefully the new ARM Laptops use this instead of using the platform architecture change as an excuse to start soldering RAM and storage like Apple. That pin interface is genius. Just replace the cheap interconnect instead of worrying about bent or broken pins. CPUs should also do that.

@lineax5927 24 күн бұрын

The inability of ram swaps is my biggest concern about arm chips. If that is the solution i am optimistic that we will see more arm chips in the future especially in laptops.

@hasyidanparamananda 24 күн бұрын

I clearly hates apple because they soldering ram and storage. If storage dies first the board absolutely die for normal ppl

@hishnash 24 күн бұрын

It all depends on how large the GPU is, If you have a large enough GPU then just like a dGPU on desktop having socketed memory (even this LPCAMM2) is just to limited when it comes to bandwidth and your going will end up bandwidth starved.

@DigBipper188 24 күн бұрын

On a processor LGA it would be more challenging due to the increased pin density. Instead of 240 pins you're looking more like 1331 or more in a densely packed grid. That's gonna take some serious pressure engineering to get right but man oh man would it ibe worth it!!

@trivolous28 24 күн бұрын

@@DigBipper188 it'll probably just be expensive

@nutzeeer 24 күн бұрын

Framework shoudl get this

@Ebalosus 24 күн бұрын

Fingers crossed for a future version, eh?

@weiSane 24 күн бұрын

Best believe they are already on it behind the scenes alongside the snapdragon X elite processor.

@darkm007 24 күн бұрын

Maybe 2 or three laptop gens from now. I always recommend for new tech to always wait a bit for the growing pains, because you would hate it if there are issues with it and the Motherboard is now worse for no reason other than the new tech and you have to replace it with a fixed version. Let the tech age a bit. Also the framework solution is good for now so there is no need to rush.

@hasyidanparamananda 24 күн бұрын

They should change to this for next year.

@boop 24 күн бұрын

I hope they keep sodimm slots or release a sodimm version of their boards so people can still upgrade the main board without having to buy new ram too.

@lucoot 23 күн бұрын

Soldered RAM would be less of a jerk move if the prices they charged were reasonable. Charging people $400 more for an extra 16GB is the real reason they want to solder it on.

@andrewt9204 23 күн бұрын

Exactly. I prefer replaceable, but I'd accept soldered if price/GB was reasonable. That fact you can buy whole ass retail packaged RAM modules at 1/4 the cost of a couple soldered dies is robbery. DRAM is pretty robust, I'm not too worried on the small chance of failure with soldered.

@Agret 16 күн бұрын

Apple charge you more to go from 8GB to 16GB than I paid in total for the 64GB ram in my laptop.

@tomtube1012 8 күн бұрын

All of my laptops have replaceable memory. I wouldn't consider buying one without it. Being able to easily expand your memory is too useful not to have.

@EATABAGOFHELL 23 күн бұрын

3:06 "compression connector is also replaceable" okay, NOW I'm impressed. i been saying for years motherboards ought to do this for their CPU socket; make the bottom of the CPU and the top of the board both an LGA, have a replaceable interposer between the two that's _just_ a grid of double sided springy pins.

@bobbymoss6160 17 күн бұрын

I've been building PC for 3 decades and never had an issue with the CPU or CPU socket. Some people should just stick to laptops...

@datachu 17 күн бұрын

@@bobbymoss6160 Then evidently you've never been tech-curious enough in all that time to have a bench PC that you frequently like to change out the hardware on for testing or experimentation lol Cause let me tell you, Intel style CPU socket is a disaster for that use case, especially if even the tiniest drop of thermal paste ever drips onto it

@bobbymoss6160 17 күн бұрын

@@datachu If it works, it works. Why FAFO?

@dimitris_verlis 16 күн бұрын

@@datachu best way to clean thermal paste is wd-40 contact cleaner, it melts the thermal paste. then use compressed air or leave it for 1 hour until it dries.

@Flying_Spaghetti_Monster 16 күн бұрын

@@bobbymoss6160because sockets change all the time anyway and it's really not that big of a change. If you only replace the cpu, then there will be no downside and little to no change. On the other hand if something does break, you can just switch out the socket and you're set.

@SahitDagani 24 күн бұрын

LPCAMM2? I slept and missed LPCAMM1.

@drone_video9849 23 күн бұрын

you probably didn't sleep through it, I think LPCAMM1 was dells version that that donated to the JDEC standards, and it seems they finally agreed to accept it, and that what LPCAMM2 is

@ianbaker4295 23 күн бұрын

@@drone_video9849I am pretty sure Samsung had something to do with lpcamm and were working on it in 2023. I don’t know about lpcamm2 though

@viewer-of-content 23 күн бұрын

@@ianbaker4295Dell actually released some press materials on lpcamm1 and did a press circuit advertising it. There were several articles on it in 2022. They just basically had 2 years of industry standards to plow through until we got here. And Dell is not known for user friendly compatibility, so the industry had Lenovo and Micron lead this round of press. Because nobody trusted dell appearantly

@kreuner11 23 күн бұрын

@@ianbaker4295LPCAMM would be the original Dell implementation in this case

@mowtow90 23 күн бұрын

@@drone_video9849 Yes ,LPCAMM1 is the Dell's version which was bigger and bulkier. The interconnect was replacable but it was a hassle. Pretty much ver1 was the prototype that Dell and Samsung developed. Then Mircon took it and fixed the "bugs" . This is much better. The original didnt even had a heat sink and because it was big , it didnt attack anyone.

@torracat1185 24 күн бұрын

Hopefully we'll see Framework offer laptops that have this! Although I wonder if they'd need to redesign the mainboard so the RAM's closer to the CPU...

@DoctorX17 24 күн бұрын

Probably would, but they probably can figure out how to make a new main board fit the existing chassis

@LmgWarThunder 24 күн бұрын

They might be able to get some performance increases since the ram will use less of the power budget, so they might be working on it already

@jorper2526 24 күн бұрын

@@LmgWarThunder Performance? Not for the reason you are stating. Memory module power budget isn't going to affect the amount of power the CPU will draw. That is ultimately a cooling issue, as any laptop will boost up to its max.. But, inevitably the thin and small cooling solutions they demand will cause the CPU to then downclock. That being said, this is a performance increase because LPDDR is faster than SODIMM memory.

@Winnetou17 24 күн бұрын

@@jorper2526 I wouldn't call it faster. It has higher bandwidth, but worse timings, aka latency.

@jorper2526 23 күн бұрын

@@Winnetou17 that is not true.. It is physically closer to the cpu, which means traces are shorter which does in fact affect latency. LPDDR is just "better" but comes with downsides like repairability and upgradeability. LPCAMM2 should address those. Besides which, bandwidth is speed. It has much greater bandwidth than competing SODIMM parts. Ultimately even if latency was slightly higher, the entire throughput would be faster.

@DigBipper188 24 күн бұрын

The fact the CAMM pin stack is replaceable is just too awesome. Whoever managed to get that to not just work, but work reliably needs a medal. Can you imagine if desktop mainboards had a replaceable LGA like that for the processor? you could have a socket that can just be popped off in amatter of seconds and replaced just as fast. Bend a pin? Contact the vendor and get a replacement! No more dead board for a bent pin. Socket full of thermal paste? Pop that sucker off and bathe it in IPA and ditch the tooth brush! CALGA would be a major win if it can be made to work on a CPU package...

@satsumagt5284 24 күн бұрын

Can’t you use switch cleaner for sockets with thermal paste though? It comes in a spray can, so it shoots out nicely, but not strong enough to bend pins

@DigBipper188 24 күн бұрын

@@satsumagt5284 You can and I previously have done so before. Works pretty well too since the pressure also blasts the chunks out. Depending how well embedded the paste is though it can take quite a lot of switch cleaner to get a good cleaning.

@blanknam3d 23 күн бұрын

CALGA deez nuts

@concinnus 19 күн бұрын

Not happening. LPDDR is a few watts at most, while CPUs can be 300W (200A). Bandwidth density is also much higher on the data pins.

@GVCC1 24 күн бұрын

Wish CPUs got this LPCAMM treatment, with replaceable sockets and all. Bent socket pins would no longer ruin an entire mainboard.

@Kalvinjj 24 күн бұрын

Yep, no real reason anymore to claim we can't have socketed CPUs. That pin coupler is like 2~3mm tall.

@legendp2011 24 күн бұрын

might be a bandwidth limitation. switchable socket may not have the same throughput (conductivity) for cpu. otherwise it would be great

@testsnake 24 күн бұрын

I imagine power limitations might be an issue at the higher end, granted not an electrical engineer.

@nicolinbogdan9615 24 күн бұрын

why? how many CPU`s do you change on a 1 motherboard? RAM would be more common and changed than any CPU to be worth it!

@Kalvinjj 24 күн бұрын

@@legendp2011 Eh, it's literally LGA to LGA, definitely not an issue if desktop CPUs been using it till nowadays. The manufacturers allowing upgradable CPUs is a bigger deterrent than any other. Which I don't understand. Sure you might think of saving some bucks on the general public machines with hardware that enthusiasts don't care about, but you can also just pass along the cost (if not a tad extra for that unfounded fear of upgrade sales loss) to the enthusiast consumer that WILL want that. Will not be necessary for everyone, but no product is. Catering to the niches and charging as much as that niche is wiling to pay is always valid.

@ross-carlson 24 күн бұрын

It's FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC that you can also replace the compression fitment as that would be SO easy to damage, destroying the entire board. Great design!!

@ArthurZakaryan23 24 күн бұрын

The fact that it's debuting on Lenovo's most expensive mobile workstation laptop and the demo unit in the video is a 32GB LPDDR5X module gives me a bit of pause that it will be some time before this trickles down to sub-$1000 everyday machines but the tech is definitely cool and I am all for future upgradeability that accompanies power and efficiency.

@sveilien 23 күн бұрын

the 64gb LPCAMM2 is $330 listed right now on Crucial. its $100 more than their DDR5 SODIMM 64gb kit. But thats first, today, for one computer in the world. So if adoption occurs, that'll get cheaper fast.

@WayStedYou 20 күн бұрын

Economy of scale. They cant put it in their low end models when the profit margin isnt there yet

@gamagama69 19 күн бұрын

well yeah thats how it always be

@UmairA5 24 күн бұрын

Imagine desktop ITX motherboards having this connector mounted close to the CPU without interfering with the cooler

@iaial0 20 күн бұрын

Idk about that, I think DIMM (or SODIMM, for that matter) use more efficiently the real estate since they can be socketed vertically. But how about LPCAMM2 sockets on the rear of the board? 👀

@northwestrepair 23 күн бұрын

Next on the TODO list> Compression mount memory chips for GPU.

@blakegriplingph 22 күн бұрын

Nice to see you here mang

@Demopans5990 20 күн бұрын

But there goes 90% of your business

@northwestrepair 20 күн бұрын

@@Demopans5990 you wish. 80% of all my repairs are not faulty memory but a faulty solder joint. In which case, if they go with this idea, I'll have even more work because it will be even easier for cracked solder joints to develop 😂

@lenshibo 23 күн бұрын

As someone thats had to spend many many hours of my life repairing lga sockets, seeing that compression connector being easy to remove made me SO happy! This is a massive win and WILL be a deciding factor when im ready to upgrade my laptop.

@STUP1988 24 күн бұрын

OMG! Why did it never occur to me that the connector could also be a simple component? 🤯 Motherboard manufacturers have to make this the standard for CPUs too!

@hishnash 24 күн бұрын

with modern desktop CPUs the power draw might well be way to high to do this. (at least with intel chips pulling 400W in some cases)

@toby_cm 22 күн бұрын

@@hishnash but for mobile CPUs it will be a god send

@bosstowndynamics5488 20 күн бұрын

@@toby_cmThe pin spacing on compression connectors like this is probably a lot larger than a BGA CPU, which would make it much larger

@rubenfasola5402 13 күн бұрын

@@bosstowndynamics5488 it can probably be made as dense as a normal LGA socket, but that is a lot less dense than a BGA

@peterthepanda 24 күн бұрын

Too bad many laptop OEMs most likely won’t support it, as they would rather make more $$$ forcing customers to buy a laptop with more RAM that is soldered.

@burtdanams4426 24 күн бұрын

I mean yeah I guess, but external storage is so fast now that the majority of people don't really care in the first place. Most people don't even really need that much active storage anyway, it's pretty hard to fill up 256-512gb with stuff you are actively using unless you downloading huge amounts of high res video or a bunch of games at the same time or something. Even SD cards are super fast now, especially with UHS-II and all the special features it has. I get nearly 300 megabytes/second in my computer's built in SD reader and the cards are getting pretty cheap now too. You can buy 256gb UHS-II cards for $80. I'm both a programmer and I work as a mix engineer for musicians on the side, and even I have a hard time filling up a TB of all my samples and instruments and active audio projects

@intoxicode 24 күн бұрын

It's funny cuz this tech has been around for a few years but I've seen no one but Dell use it...

@dpqb-web 24 күн бұрын

It's the "Phoebus cartel" all over again.

@ross-carlson 24 күн бұрын

Yeah, but companies like Framework, etc. CAN use this.

@wayando 24 күн бұрын

@@burtdanams4426... I have 256Gb on my phone, and it has 20gb free ... And I barely use my camera. In my laptop (5yrs old) ... I have a 3TB that only 500gb free. We DO need tonnes of storage in our devices. And it should be upgradable. Because that gives the device new life, so it lasts longer.

@_BangDroid_ 24 күн бұрын

Now I need to download a torque wrench to help me download more RAM

@Zzzlol94 24 күн бұрын

Seeing a CPU socket like connector was frightening, but that it's also replaceable is amazing.

@mysticmarble94 24 күн бұрын

Boo, wake up. New laptop memory just dropped 👋

@inappropriateJester 24 күн бұрын

Holy GB!

@Pseedholm 24 күн бұрын

Stop talking to your right hand.

@mcslender2965 24 күн бұрын

@@inappropriateJester actual compression!

@cataclysmicterrain 24 күн бұрын

call the cas latency!

@ranjitmandal1612 24 күн бұрын

💪

@AviatorXD 23 күн бұрын

This is actually so cool. Even a replaceable socket with zero soldering??? Just insanenly cool.

@BunkerSquirrel 24 күн бұрын

About time. I’ve wondered why we kept the SODIMM form factor ever since Apple started soldering in RAM back in 2012. Never didn’t occur to me to move the pins to a discreet interposer though, that’s an incredible innovation that will drive down costs both on the manufacture and repair sides.

@bramvandenbroeck5060 24 күн бұрын

Ah yes, in a couple of years, we will see Tim Cook on stage saying this "We've invented something wonderfull for your macbook pro, a true revolution in consumer electronics, an industry fir-, ow right, an apple first, LPDDR Pro, tailored to make your dreams come true! You get 4gb as standard, and higher options are just 250 dollars for 8gb, which is the same as 16gb in equivalent computers, only the magic of apple can do this . . . "

@Brando56894 23 күн бұрын

I actually laughed when he said "you get 8 GB on a $1500 macbook", Apple is at the height of ridiculousness right now.

@estiennetaylor1260 23 күн бұрын

@@Brando56894 and most of their sheep only do basic web browsing, watch youtube videos and type documents/email. Never know why waste $1500 on a crapple laptop when

@raduboboc 21 күн бұрын

😂

@FreedomFromMind 20 күн бұрын

“We think you’re gonna love it.”

@bramvandenbroeck5060 20 күн бұрын

@@Brando56894 Even sub 500 euro laptops now come with 16gb of ram, but you get apple magic with it, as long as it isn't a magic mouse, consider yourself lucky!

@TokenTech 24 күн бұрын

Is this like the thing dell was doing or is this competing against what dell was doing?

@bituniverse8677 24 күн бұрын

Dell gave it to JEDEC to make into a standard. It’s the same thing, but now a non-proprietary standard

@pedro4205 24 күн бұрын

@@bituniverse8677 Dell opensourced it, so the Dell one is also non-proprietary. But Dell itself didn't support it. There are no laptop from Dell released in 2024 that uses it (as far as i'm aware*).

@pedro4205 24 күн бұрын

@@bituniverse8677 But i don't know the limitations on both standard as far as memory size could go, or production cost. I found this module really tiny. Probably it is dual channel in the module but i think bigger notebooks could use two of those modules.

@Ground15 24 күн бұрын

@@pedro4205 Capacity is not a limiting factor with LPCAMM2, Samsung has already announced 64GB LPDDR5X ICs - 256GB on a single LPCAMM2 Module, more then any laptop currently allows with DDR5 Sodimms (assuming there is Laptops that allow 4x SO-DIMM that would be 192GB max). The Modules have 4 32Bit Channels just like desktop mainstream platforms with DDR5.

@pedro4205 24 күн бұрын

@@Ground15 That is fine then. About the 4 32bit channel, this is just regular LPDDR, the specs is the same.

@typingcat 24 күн бұрын

Heaven knows, the Earth knows, you know, and I know that Apple won't support it.

@dazley8021 23 күн бұрын

At this point i never expected replaceable or upgradeable ram in laptops anymore and theres micron and lenovo one-upping my expectations by making the pins replaceable as well! Good job!

@badnewsbeaver 24 күн бұрын

I have a newer Lenovo laptop, it's budget but I was kinda floored how modular they made it. I recommend them pretty often now so It's great to see them stay the course.

@The8bitbeard 23 күн бұрын

Yeah, I really enjoy Lenovo laptops. I got a recent, though lower-end Thinkpad recently to replace a 5 year old Ideapad I had. There's plenty of room for storage upgrades, and I added a 32 GB SO-DIMM to accompany the 8 GB of soldered on RAM. I like that you can just buy parts as needed directly from Lenovo. I had dropped my old Ideapad, and it was a snap to order a replacement back shell as the old one cracked.

@badnewsbeaver 23 күн бұрын

@@The8bitbeard I added a 1tb 2.5" SSD to mine. They left the drive holder in the case with screws, all I had to buy was a $7 ribbon cable. Kinda stuff breeds serious brand loyalty with me.

@helper_bot 16 күн бұрын

lenovo budgets are pretty alright, it works as much as you paid and it lasts long provided great care

@LimitedWard 23 күн бұрын

The replaceable connector is absolutely brilliant. I'd love to see the same design applied to CPU connectors as well. No more bricked motherboards or CPUs due to bent pins!

@misamokuzelpizu 24 күн бұрын

i love that the compression connector is replacable!!

@MyxRSC 23 күн бұрын

Hope Framework uses LPCAMM2 on future laptops. Would love a customizable laptop thats thin, repairable, and upgradeable

@LordSaliss 23 күн бұрын

Dont forget each module is 2 memory channels already, so you dont need 2 sticks for dual channel mode. I wonder if this sort of tech can be implemented in CPUs? Everyone complains about bent pins, so what if the pins were the same compression module thing that could be replaced? 🤔 Id also love to see these replace normal dimm slots on desktop MBs. Maybe have 2-4 LPCAMM2 sockets on the backside of the MB? These are pretty low profile so looks like they could easily be placed there and free up space on the front side while also getting the memory sockets closer to the CPU that way.

@Rick-vm8bl 24 күн бұрын

Whats the betting Apple adopts the standard....but sticks a propriatary chip on the ram module so you can only buy upgrades from them. I mean, it's still better than being stuck with 8GB ram but you just know they'll have 200% markup on their upgrades.

@hishnash 24 күн бұрын

Apple will not adopt this standard as the bandwidth it provides is still not fast enough for SOCs with larger GPUs. once your SOC has a large enough GPU you need to provide it enough bandwidth and while LPCAMM2 is nice it is not desigend to provide the needed bandwidth for larger SOC gpus like Appels. You could also ask NV and AMD why they are not using this on dGPUs on desktop and the response will be the same.

@frederikex4545 24 күн бұрын

I mean you xan use a 4 channel interface getting to 256bit

@someguy4915 24 күн бұрын

@@hishnash There's nothing stopping Apple (and other companies) from including 8GB (or more for 'PRO' models....) and a connector for additional memory. Thus including very local memory for the lowest latency possible and 'quite local' memory for low latency expandable memory.

@Winnetou17 24 күн бұрын

@@frederikex4545 The M ultra chips have 1024 bit! Aka 16 channels! I can't wait for 4 channels to become the new standard on both laptops and desktops. Especially with the rise of integrated GPUs, they can really use it.

@hishnash 23 күн бұрын

@@someguy4915 multi tier memory is very complicated no major platform ships sys mem in that way outside of very very costly mainframe developments.

@irwainnornossa4605 24 күн бұрын

This is great! I've been looking forward fot some actual product using this. I hope this will catch on.

@vladislavkaras491 22 күн бұрын

Darn, this RAM is so thin! How nice it is to finally have a both thin laptops and have possibility to upgrade the RAM! Thanks for the demonstration

@dominicmillerca 24 күн бұрын

I like the 2 parts build with the compression connector to improve reparability.

@magicmanchloe 23 күн бұрын

They should have called the new memory module Compression based Repairable Attached Memory Module. Or CRAMM for short bc they’re cramming memory as close to the CPU as possible!

@helper_bot 16 күн бұрын

i bump this comment because i approve

@ericxpenner 22 күн бұрын

Was already impressed, but then the compression connector is also replaceable...that is absolutely superb. Would love this on my next laptop.

@ferna2294 22 күн бұрын

I was gonna hate on it until I saw you can change the pins without destroying the motherboard. Beautiful.

@1stRanger 24 күн бұрын

I wonder when CPU sockets are going to use the same principal of replaceable pins module.

@brunof1996 24 күн бұрын

2:50 Does anyone know how tight a torque of 0.18 Newton-meter is? Are we talking tip of the fingers or something more?

@TsukiShimizu 24 күн бұрын

0.18 is pretty light. iirc you can exceed that using 2 fingers with a small screwdriver.

@kornrexxx 24 күн бұрын

I’m glad someone brought this up.

@elaquen7 24 күн бұрын

0.18 Nm is roughly like holding an 18g object. Then imagine that as a twisting force. Which means less than finger tight. Probably just until you feel resistance and then the tiniest bit further.

@micallan.17 20 күн бұрын

Great video iFixit, and if anyone is interested the background song is 1983 - Ben Elson.

@myuzu_ 17 күн бұрын

Visible torque spec on the screws is much appreciated

@Laundry_Hamper 24 күн бұрын

I like High Power Shahram. He knows what's up.

@leoben53 24 күн бұрын

Is it possible to have multiple modules like sodim Ram or is it limited to one module?

@aravindpallippara1577 24 күн бұрын

Probably limited to one for power efficiency less traces to drive

@zyhawk42 24 күн бұрын

It has dual-channel support in a single module, so it would in theory need a platform that supports quad-channel LPDDR5 to use more than one module. It shouldn't be impossible, but maybe unviable

@novakkosanovic 24 күн бұрын

@@zyhawk42this would be amazing for APUs

@Matt-hc1fi 23 күн бұрын

Thank you for the insight!

@chrissold5957 19 күн бұрын

The modularity and possibility to extend, upgrade and repair was the big strength of the platform 'PC' that should not be changed thoughtlessly. I loved that.

@MMuraseofSandvich 24 күн бұрын

0:28 It started with the Macbook Air. OEMs didn't paint themselves into a corner, customers started demanding ultralights that had the portability of a tablet and a keyboard/trackpad; the most visible expression of this turned out to be models like the Microsoft Surface and the Asus Flow Z13, basically PC tablets with a dockable crappy keyboard/trackpad.

@chixinspace 24 күн бұрын

Interesting. Im interested as to what the maximum frequency with this implementation is as comoared to just soldered

@blitzar8443 23 күн бұрын

The compression connector being easily changeable changes everything. I love it.

@zaprodk 21 күн бұрын

The replaceable connector is such a good design choice. I love it.

@michalsvihla1403 24 күн бұрын

I always thought the LP in LPDDR stood for Low Profile. :D

@Jaaxfo 23 күн бұрын

Nope, but that is approximately what the SO in SODIMM means. Small Outline Dual inline Memory Module

@kornrexxx 24 күн бұрын

Are we going to ignore that torque rating?

@georgytelelyuhin3175 24 күн бұрын

Is something wrong with it?

@hamdichami4636 24 күн бұрын

It's nowhere near enough to be a problem. This just means that it needs to be a snug fit plus a tiny bit more

@iowawalker 24 күн бұрын

@@hamdichami4636 that phrasing is going to cause a decent amount of support cases and RMA. They've gotta do something more fool-proof if they want this standard to be everywhere.

@daleonov 21 күн бұрын

3:02 Really cool that this connector is serviceable as well! Otherwise I'd imagine a bent pin would require a mobo replacement.

@RemirezSfesa 18 күн бұрын

the creativity in your videos is beyond amazing!

@alexeykuznetsov211 24 күн бұрын

How about compatible USB / Power DC ports on laptop so you can BUY AND REPLACE it when broken at home? Replaceable CPU? GPU? Common whole modern laptop are soldered bricks. Just buy cheap one and throw it away when USB port is down.

@ross-carlson 24 күн бұрын

If you don't know Framework they address ALL those issues. Typing on one right now, it's great!

@xavierrodriguez2463 24 күн бұрын

Most new laptops are USB-C, I've charged my Lenovo laptop with a Samsung charger.

@nanolfo_ 24 күн бұрын

@@ross-carlson I'm still waiting on Framework laptops to become purchasable in my country.

@alexeykuznetsov211 24 күн бұрын

@@ross-carlson I just checked and I see soldered CPU and GPU. By taking a second look those MB has 14mm USB ports - not common, impossible to find and replace those. Am I missing something?

@thischannelisforcommenting5680 24 күн бұрын

replaceable CPU and GPU on laptop? not going to happen.

@mikk150 24 күн бұрын

My jaw dropped when connector is replaceable..

@PhoticSneezeOne 21 күн бұрын

The feature of the replaceable compression connector alone will safe us from metric tons of e-waste in the future. Bravo!

@TTbelis 23 күн бұрын

I would like to comment on sincerity, personality and humor at 1:31 that that help me remember the main point of short traces for signal transition. Thanks for great video

@explawsion 24 күн бұрын

I don't see this being much thinner than the existing SODIMM RAM

@xavierrodriguez2463 24 күн бұрын

I could, with sodimms you have to have clearance for memory modules on both sides of the stick there's only memory modules on one side here

@samuzamu 24 күн бұрын

Sodimm has to have edge connectors, which add a bit of bulk

@necuz 24 күн бұрын

Dell's functionally equivalent version is 57% thinner than a single SODIMM, but was made to avoid having to put RAM slots on both sides of the board. This isn't so much a win for thinness, but rather for not having to produce (and keep stock of) separate motherboards for every CPU and RAM combo you want to sell.

@atemoc 24 күн бұрын

I'll see if I can get hyped when I see the price of these modules.

@ross-carlson 24 күн бұрын

Price will fall - look at it this way, even if the modules are more expensive now say 3-4 years from now you'll at least be able to upgrade and prices will be very low then.

@potatoes5829 24 күн бұрын

will probably be expensive at first then fall in price later

@atemoc 24 күн бұрын

@@ross-carlson I hope so. Many things in tech in the 2020s seem to keep an artificially high value years after for no reason, but I doubt that will be the case here. We shall see.

@tezcanaslan2877 24 күн бұрын

Being an early adopter often means you have to leave a hefty sum of money on the table.

@alexjensen990 22 күн бұрын

I will look for this feature when I buy my next mobile workstation. Thanks for the heads up!

@garynagle3093 20 күн бұрын

This looks great! Hope Framework can adapt their motherboard for this!

@Shari-gt8bk 24 күн бұрын

sounds more like a new standard that companies can squeeze for some cash. low power sodimm existed for every generation after ddr2 and the socket can be as close to the cpu as this new thing

@lieutent2654 24 күн бұрын

They talk about it like power was the only reason in this video, but speeds were also not achievable with what DDR5 produced on the previous sodimm standard. If you look at laptops with DDR5 slots you won't see speeds exceeding, I believe it was 4800MT/s. But you definitely weren't exceeding 6000MT/s. Now you see some devices with LPDDR5 running at 8000+MT/s. If this standard allows for much higher memory speeds, then it's definitely an upgrade. Power concerns are valid because of battery life but that really isn't so much a difference in user experience as the speed of the memory is.

@Derpalerpa 24 күн бұрын

@@lieutent2654I’m sad to say it’s just a bot with a porn link on their bio 🥲

@ravagingwolverine 23 күн бұрын

This also allows higher speeds and packaging advantages over SODIMM while still being replaceable.

@danhg3885 23 күн бұрын

No mention of cost at all in the video which I feel is a bit lacking. If the cost is prohibitively high this will likely go no where fast. Tech looks solid and it’s welcome.

@griffin8062 23 күн бұрын

Go away porn bot

@njerurichard3581 24 күн бұрын

Have you been forbidden from showing the bottom side of the module?

@someguy4915 24 күн бұрын

That looks the same as the motherboard side, so not interesting to show. A simple Google search shows plenty of pictures of the underside of the memory module so no, no secret just the same as is visible on the motherboard.

@njerurichard3581 23 күн бұрын

@@someguy4915 I tried doing a simple google search, it only shows the top side. All I'm saying is, for a video that was introducing a new technology to people that have probably never heard of it, a 3 second shot of the underside wouldn't have hurt anyone. Which is why i had to ask.

@rightwingsafetysquad9872 6 күн бұрын

I've never wanted to upgrade memory without upgrafing everything else too, but having the option is always better than not.

@silverrayleigh6284 18 күн бұрын

Memory is not the problem But the battery & cooling

@thelbtlover 24 күн бұрын

This obsession with making everything thin is ridiculous. I'd rather have regular SODIMMs and have my laptop be 1mm thicker. This is better than soldered RAM but we should just stop obsessing with making laptops as thin as possible to the point where it compromises thermals, upgradeability, and repairability. These new modules will undoubtedly come with a huge price premium and people will justify it by saying "hey, spending $300 for a $40 stick of RAM is better than having to replace the whole motherboard for $600." No, just no. The fact that they show this RAM in a super thick laptop that doesn't need it proves that it has nothing to do with anything other than manufacturers trying to screw over customers.

@TheIdiotPlays 24 күн бұрын

Sodimms are nice but we are reaching the data transfer limit of that technology.

@ross-carlson 24 күн бұрын

Still missing the problem - there aren't any SODIMM LPDDR5 modules as they can't do that, it's too far for the traces - THIS solves that problem. THAT is why this exists and is a VERY good thing.

@thelbtlover 24 күн бұрын

@@ross-carlson There are DDR5 SODIMMs available for laptops. If it's really such a concern then move the slot closer to the CPU.

@thelbtlover 24 күн бұрын

@@TheIdiotPlays Then why do desktops magically not have this problem? And latency isn't a problem on desktops probably because the RAM slots are so close to the CPU on desktop motherboards. Just move the SODIMM slot closer to the CPU. Problem solved.

@thebravegallade731 24 күн бұрын

@@thelbtlover Socketed DDR5 for laptops exist, but not socketed LPDDR5.

@abrahamlincoln3181 24 күн бұрын

Just goes to show, everybody has a price.

@angelG14 22 күн бұрын

freaking aweeeeesome :D can't wait! Way to go Micron and Lenovo

@mistaBorg 23 күн бұрын

this is the upgrade we need, but the upgrade i want is hotswap batteries

@Simon-ui6db 24 күн бұрын

Its repairable, apple just sitting there laughing and saying nope thats not going in our macbooks.

@michaeledrian424 23 күн бұрын

omg this things is very awesome! can't wait for the other manufacture to implement this as well

@Kyuubi840 14 күн бұрын

That's seriously cool. Here's hoping that this replaces all those soldered down RAMs.

@Emu_Emu 24 күн бұрын

Changes nothing

@nimoy007 24 күн бұрын

What?

@blar2112 24 күн бұрын

@@nimoy007 CHANGES NOTHING

@nimoy007 24 күн бұрын

@@blar2112 I would have thought a subscriber to ProjectFarm and GamersNexus would be interested in having an actual conversation about an emerging technology, but whatever floats your boat.

@thorium9190 24 күн бұрын

How so? This if implemented, does change everything

@AI-Idiot 16 күн бұрын

I really hope framework gets to use this twchnology as an option for its laptops. It would keep them as repairable, but make them sturdier and faster

@hydrogenbond7303 23 күн бұрын

Apple: I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear any of this.

@billyandriam 12 күн бұрын

I swear by my Lenovo Thinkpad P71 up to today and upgraded it with 64GB of RAM, a WWAN EM7455 module and 3TB TLC SSD. Shouout to Lenovo for making this new RAM available.

@transcendtient 22 күн бұрын

Manufacturers will still scoff at the fact that they need 3 screws and a socket to mount it and continue to solder the chips onto the motherboard to save 2$.

@MMuraseofSandvich 24 күн бұрын

That is one slick system. I wish BGA chips were as easily replaceable.

@kanishka.b8550 20 күн бұрын

Love this. I also brought an old thinkpad for its versatility.

@jordi28panama 22 күн бұрын

LLMM Low Latency Memory Module that is what I think makes a lot of sense

@cazschiller 22 күн бұрын

Framework's mission is finally coming to fruition, upgradable laptops ftw!!!

@bobfix 24 күн бұрын

Bravo! It's about time.

@bartscrush5064 24 күн бұрын

Thanks for the info

@mactep1 24 күн бұрын

Would be cool if we could get some sort of hybrid system with both "unified memory" and this working together.

@jeevejavari8461 23 күн бұрын

Im here for this!! Come on manufacturers! Lets get more of yall on board!

@muhammadaveromugi 4 күн бұрын

Shape and size supposed to be like ssd nvme 30 mm, that will be perfect

@tc2241 23 күн бұрын

Replaceable connector is so freaking rad!

@MattThompsonOnGoogle 22 күн бұрын

Now, it may be “better than Apple,” but they’re not the only ones soldering RAM to the motherboard. Lenovo was always taking flack for doing it. Even my Asus Vivobook has Slot 0 soldered in place, making it ridiculous to even upgrade Slot 1. I am glad to see that Micron is on top of this new standard. They are my go-to brand… the Goodyear of memory. Even it comes with Pirellis I’m changing it out.

@bobmirror7164 23 күн бұрын

Still using my Lenovo T510 with Ubuntu 24 on one drive and Win10 on the other drive. I always get the max amount of memory when new. Memory upgrade is a great feature as well as being able to remove hard drives in mirror seconds, the ultra drive and minutes, the internal one.

@PKFat 16 күн бұрын

I rly like that the connector can be swapped out. This is cool tech. Now if there was a standard to make GPUs upgradable, I'll be super impressed

@rustedfists3213 23 күн бұрын

It’s still crazy for me how the cpus are soldered into the motherboard I wish that I had the ability to upgrade it like it used to be in the past

@AlfredoEspinozaRhoton 22 күн бұрын

Love the new standard and exposure to this technology. If this is anything like other compression connectors (like Samtec ZRAY) then using a torque screwdriver is absolutely mandatory to ensure reliable connections on all pins (pressure needs to be even). Those micro machined springs can be extremely fragile, but have great SI (as long as you properly torqued and didn't flex the pcb).

@Blue_Soul_Slayer 23 күн бұрын

You could just say three things. 1. 3 screws 2. Ram is upgradable 3. Replaceable Compression thingy

@brouettebredouille8320 21 күн бұрын

I hope more laptop manufacturers than Lenovo will adopt this standard to that it doesn’t die, cause it seems like nice tech

@DiyintheGhetto 13 күн бұрын

I hope this memory takes off like a rocket. Seriously we need to upgrade out memory again. My laptop is stuck with 8GB onboard and a Dimm slot for another 8GB stick.

@Giratina143 24 күн бұрын

my only concern is the lower surface area to add more memory chips. From the looks of it, it only has one side that can be populated, but tradtional sodimm has two sides which allow for so many more chips to soldered on. I wonder what the max ram cap is for these chips.