Yeah i thought im sure he means Nurburgring

Well it is German so you never know

The price will drop most people couldn't afford mobiles 30 years ago.

This is the first version, and trucking companies look at TCO. If a truck is 3x as expensive but they run 1 million km, and can charge cheaper than driving on diesel, it makes financial sense. Also, electric cars require less service because of less moving parts.

even so, when the accountants have looked at the figures the ROI is very high even before the current fuel costs - companies that brought one or two soon switch the fleets over due to the cost-saving - by far your number one cost in a normal truck/lorry is the fuel. Also, add to that less downtime of trucks being serviced and repaired and then throw in drivers are not getting hurt by the vibrations of the cab as well

Electric cars are NOT 3 times as expensive. I'm paying 3p per mile.

Yes and let's not forget Once most are using electric the price of electric will increase

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Unfortunate they’ll be as useless as your VW was in current form. 400kms is nothing for a truck, therefore they’ll need charging lots. At well over an hour to charge, on a fast charge, where they all gonna park? Can you imagine 25trucks trying to get in to fourwentways to charge lol

@@rupertm2542 they will work nicely for city trucks , garbage trucks etc but will be a while until you can actually do long journeys in electric truck

​@@rupertm2542 For city driving and deliveries 400km would be more than enough. It is not going to be used for long hauling but in certain applications I think it is more than usable. A truck could run all day in a city landscape and not need to charge at all. Not every truck is doing 500 miles per day!

Pedestrians and cyclists are going to get. Killed !, you can not hear them coming up on you.

Neurinburg 😂 neurinburg ring I guess

Diesel exhaust smells great, it's just when you have urea dumped into it when it smells bad. I could smell pre emissions exhaust all day, love it

@@BlackHawkBallistic Got an '06 diesel myself, just DPF and cats, no AdBlue. IMO pre-cat petrol/gas smelled better than catalysed, but then I grew up as a garage rat (like a mall rat, only with better toys and no wannabe fashion issues). It was more the total lack of any exhaust smells that I was getting at!

@@examinerian when did Europe start doing def/adblue? I know in the US the latest by law was 2014 but some companies like GM and Ford started in 2011 for some stupid reason while dodge held out.

@@BlackHawkBallistic For car/van it was 2014, with the Euro 6 emissions regs. For bigger commercial trucks it depends, some had to have it from Euro 4 in 2005, most for Euro 5.

Wouldnt hold your breath on the tesla semi. Cyber truck is three year late, semi is 4+ years late, hyper loop project has been shut down, self driving tesla without driver is 5+ years late, and the tesla tunnels have gone no where.

£180k base model with no extras!!!!

@@Grumpygrandad68 yeah that's the major problem. Is it even possible to run this truck at a profit for it's expected lifespan or is it going to depreciate by 80k and consume all the profits it generated? Either way they're coming along but I still don't think they're good enough to fully replace diesel. They need lighter batteries by a lot, more energy dense batteries that last longer and cost less to replace. Batteries that will drive you farther than a diesel, charge in at least half the time they are in this video, but they also need to be more affordable than a diesel. They've gotta be better in nearly every way or it's not worth it. 3x the cost for less range, less payload. It's just not worth it for most applications outside of local areas as our man here says. but it'll be interesting to see if they can get around these problems over the next few years. It would make them much more of an option. Right now in USA they want to make people buy all electric but the card just aren't up to snuff yet. They're either too geeky or high end luxury cars. Even the economical electric cars cost a small fortune. Problem is they punish you with gas tax and gas guzzler tax ect to try to get you to buy electric but most people can't afford it so they feel like they're just being forced to be punished and it's not helping the electric car movement because people end up not wanting them. In USA people drive a lot so they demand more utility, affordability, range, faster charge times, ECT, before theyll consider electric. Many have moved to it but they're some of the few who have been able to. For me an electric car just isn't good enough. I drive way too far away too often. Because they can't make an electric car that's better than a gas car, but they want to fine me for not buying one, it sorta feels like unfair punishment. The way I see it is when you have to punish everyone else in order to make your electric car viable, it's because your electric car sucks and it's losing without unfair advantages given to them. When I can get a Tesla that'll go 600 miles per charge and charge in 5-10 minutes and engineered to last 30+ years and costs the same or less than a Corolla, I'll buy one over a Corolla, but it's just not happening. At least yet. I'm better off getting a 1.8L Corolla or a 1.8L hybrid Corolla These big trucks are a different ball game. A lot of people will buy the car they like, but when it comes to hauling aggregate, it's all about the math. Are the trucks making or losing money? All the math is tracked and analyzed. So it'll be interesting to see if electric is profitable. The gas savings when gas costs a lot will be a major factory in that 180k price tag not hurting so much but it'll still hurt. You might not be buying gas but the money is all going to the vehicle payment 😂 if we're going to make these trucks viable, they've gotta cost the same, have the same range, fill up and charge in the same amount of time, drive equally as far ranges, have equal payloads, if not better I'm these aspects. I just don't see it happening yet. They're throwing out all the other logic and sticking with "good for environment" but is it really though? It's sure not good on the pocketbook or the payload. Is 1 diesel trip more or less polluting than 2 electric trips? One takes twice the time and time is money. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out tbh

Lithium mining to make the batteries plus disposable of them isn’t so “green” after all

How is the electricity made to charge the vehicle? Bit like the video of the jcb mini digger running for a few hours on a full charge but took a Cummins diesel generator 12 hours to charge the digger battery Looks good on paper

@@Jp-eo7jl ah yes because power station emissions are released about 6 feet away from my face when I'm walking down the street. That's the difference.

Have fun mining the entire globe for lithium so we can use it in the 2024 model years and then start running out haha

CharIn just presented the 3,75MW MCS standard for trucks and busses, and there are plans to roll out a network of charging locations throughout Europe for long haul electric trucking.

Intriguing that you mention Tesla because their semi is supposed to do 800Km whilst charging in the MW range but also costs similarly to this too.

very simple it's not based on cities. It will be just split between Day Cab Short Haul trucks will be electric mainly for their Responsive Performance. While better forms combustion will be used for Long Haul Trucks. It's just dictated by the technical limitations and advantages.

Have you done Normanton yet? They had the charging point in, but cable isn't long enough 🤣🤣🤣

But the same problem with building a new refuelling infrastructure exists with hydrogen, then there's the training on refuelling. I drove LPG powered trucks and initially I didn't refuel at the end of the day because I wasn't trained, then I got the training. With the industries fast turnover of staff there will be someone working full time just training drivers on refuelling.

@@Sarge084 I honestly don't see that as a big problem these days. Everyone has to learn how to use a fuel pump in their life. With KZfaq and stuff like that all people have to do is watch a video. What u worry about with hydrogen is explosions in accidents. With regular fuel you have to worry about fires, but not explosions. Hydrogen fuel stations basically don't exist for anyone in any real meaningful way, you're right. But if that gets better over time then hydrogen will be just as good of an option as anything else

its interesting to see Ashville not looking in their own backyard towards JCB with their Hydrogen ICE excavator/bobcats.

Most tailgate loaders have option for an external battery

Not surprised Bud, with 200 drops a day 😳😂

@@andy.m265 exactly 🤦🏻‍♂️

@Lancashirelad I checked riversimple cars out as I haven't herd of them before. Looks really cool will definitely be keeping an eye on them

Spot on mate hydrogen is the way forward beats electric all day . People are being lied to about carbon footprint we produce more carbon emissions mining building and charging electric vehicles its utter madness. Hydrogen is the most abundant resource in the universe alswell as being pure clean energy its a no brainer.

@@ianbrown8171 cheers bud. And yeah I remember about 12/13 years ago everybody was pushing hydrogen then suddenly it all vanished. And next thing you know it's all about electric vehicles. I think electric vehicles definitely have their place. Little electric motorbikes even little cars built for urban areas. But anything with long distance then hydrogen is a no-brainer. Like you say mining lithium for batteries is an extremely dirty process and done in very questionable conditions in 3rd world countries. Also they never seem to talk about battery degradation in electric vehicles when it comes to their impact on the environment.

@Lancashirelad correct my friend

Once hydrogen rolls out i think ppl will just use it for everything. like range is the main reason why i personally think electric cars are a gimmick and ppl have just marketed it very well. atm electric cars are good if ur just driving around in town, and if u have a second ICE car to go for a longer distance. hydrogen is the way forward but my only concern is the people who have invested soo much money into these electric cars they will just say hydrogen is unsafe even though its been tested in cars without any problems for decades.

very rarely do people purchase a vehicle with cash, up front. If they are on finance, then there is not much difference. instead of paying X a month on the vehicle + Y a month on fuel+maintenance you pay X+Y a month for the vehicle then next to nothing for fuel+maintenance. obviously the numbers won't be 1:1 and I have over simplified, but not many people think of "the additional things" when thinking of vehicles monthly costs.

For another episode of "Tunde Weekly", maybe...?! 😂💭

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Yes maintenance will be cheaper for EV trucks than diesel. But that maintenance cost savings is basically offset by the more efficient payload to fuel weight of diesel trucks. As Daniel noted more payload means less range for EV's. If payload is not really an issue and the daily trip distances are less than 300 miles EV trucks become a more attractive. Specifically for Daniels aggregate business, because the more aggregate he can deliver the more revenue his company generates, I can't see any way he'll be getting electric vehicles to haul aggregate any time soon. Their skip Lorries OTH which really carry as much volume as they do weight might be potential options to convert to EV.