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I noticed that to

Yes, I also saw that and became quite moved. I like to think it was because they knew what they had

i know i do

Who saw these shows??? I didn't know of them until Low Life, 1985.

Me

Me too..

We were very lucky to have experienced them

And then they say that the suicides don't say what they're going to do... Anik Honoré listened to Closer and described the album as "horrible". To the other band members, Ian was a "happy" person. In short: you can talk as much as you want, but if it's for deaf ears, the result is just one: total indifference...

She never said horrible, she heard Closer and Tony Wilson asked her what she thought of the album and she said that she was terrified! And really concerned for Ian saying that "don't you understand he means it"! and Tony was saying to her no no no don't worry its just art! I think Tony described himself and others as silly c**ts in the fact that they never saw it coming. I have to say that Closer is my favorite album of all time!

*Suicide* :)

​@Pazuzu82 Indeed. Admittedly, it's easier to see it in hindsight, but I just couldn't help but wonder how they didn't see it coming. One time I listened to _Closer_ at work, and I honestly felt like I wanted to do something to myself when I got to the second side of it. (Thank God, that feeling passed within minutes.) Hearing "In a Lonely Place" sounds like someone who just has nothing left to give.

You felt you wanted to do something to yourself listening to album? What sort of moron are you? Fucking clown

tell me more !! please !!

Well.. There was some boys in Manchester that wanted to start a band. First they called themselves Stiff Kittens, then they changed it to Warsaw (after David Bowie’s song) and after that they became Joy Division. The singer, Ian Curtis (also guitar player some times) also wrote some of their songs. Sadly, he was very ill. So, on May 18th 1980 he took his life. The day before they should go to an American tour. The remaining three started New Order. In a lonely place was the last song Ian Curtis wrote/sang. It was also New Order’s first single. Please write again!

Mount Helens volcano erupted the same day that Ian died, nearly about the same time, very spooky!😱

Have thought the same so many times, could have added atmosphere etc etc , so much potential ❤️

Probably best to go out on top. Imagine if it had been like the stone roses second coming. All that mystique and anticipation just shattered by one appalling record. I'm not saying he took the right route, but slipping back into his day job and calling it quits on JD would have been quite a statement as well. Obviously his heart wasn't in it. So instead of booking some crazy American tour playing to 12 ppl in Detroit, or suicide, or just walking away from it, patching it up with his wife, doing his day job and buying a nice semi in the suburbs would have been the way to go I think. Their music would have sounded just as good and the only fans they wouldn't have had are like 'suicide' groupies. But you can live without them.

Yeahhh but errrr Gillian was errr still kinda learning .

@@donnybrooklads Perhaps so yet a great many in the past could play instruments well before they even left school. Still kind of learning to sing/dance play music not at all a premis for success yet the mood of 82 was the right one for development

@@donnybrooklads she can play keys way way better than barney can play guitar

Biographies are typically filled with 2nd hand sources and a scattering of slight witness accounts of events. Morally biased authors never truly seek full facts of what they largely make wild assumptions never having actually been in the music industry themselves or only briefly

@@ShikiraPressley they said autobiography, which means it's written (or co written) by the subject.

Have you heard the 12” maxi single version (with New Order). It’s more than Very Good!!

@@liselottefrejdig1112 Yep, that was actually the very first version I ever heard. I guess it's slightly different from what is on the compilation _Substance_ , but I don't know what those difference are off hand. Have you heard the relatively recently uncovered (i.e., in the past ten years) with Ian Curtis? Truly devastating.

@@mournblade1066 It’s a part of it on the Heart and Soul box. But the whole version is here on KZfaq. Bernard is good, but Ian is Great!!

@@liselottefrejdig1112 Yeah, that's what I meant by "relatively recently." The version from Heart and Soul was only partially complete, but Peter Hook unearthed a complete version which has been on KZfaq for the past 10 years, I think.

Still had to be pretty raw. Hearing "hanged," you think someone swinging off a noose, but he actually used the rope from an indoor clothes dryer and kneeled. I don't know why, but that seems to make it even worse.

​​@@wvu05One of my friends killed herself the same way during the pandemic. It's awful because she and Ian had time to change their minds during the process, but didn't.

It's not a tribute to Curtis. JD originally recorded it.

Then you haven’t heard the original with Joy Division!? Search for it here on KZfaq.. Much better!

she's playing ARP Quadra, and behind is something looking like Prophet-5 or Memorymoog

@@awaken77 Yeah. It's a Sequential Circuits Prophet 5.

no written when Ian was still alive when they were still Joy Division

Caressing the marble and stone Love that was special for one The waste in the fever and heat How I wish you were here with me now Body that curls in and dies Hardship that often belies Warm like a dog round your feet How I wish you were here with me now Hangman looks round as he waits Cord stretches tight then it breaks Someday we will die in your dreams How I wish we were here with you now

Ian Curtis was involved with this song..I think it reflected it his vulnerable state of mind...its definitely not meant to be happy or mainstream but it sounds absolutely incredible and powerful

​@@martever2012 Indeed. It was the last song he wrote, weeks before his suicide. Hearing this, I can't help but wonder how nobody knew. Not that they could have stopped it (Debbie said that when he was a teenager, he repeatedly said that he wanted to die young, and he turned on Bowie because he didn't), and maybe hindsight is 20/20, but this seems like someone SCREAMING for help.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l7yElLOjlbewpo0.html

The only version that exists is the one where you can barely hear his voice. He wrote it weeks before he died, and the band never had a chance to play it. Given the brevity of the lyrics, this may well have still been in the draft stages when he died, but the band kept it as-is as a tribute.

i actually thought that was the sickest part

love the echo. it's like some pagan ritual where beautiful demon child barney has summoned the ghost of ian to carry him through the song...(and it really worked)

@@balkanarchist haha I have the same problem with steve and barney - mostly barney. fortunately I did find a particularly sweaty gig they did a few years later where wee bernard did end up losing his top, followed by hooky...should've done that more often.

I think it ads to the despair.

So much echo I agree spoils it, prefer the bleaker original

This was before stereo!

Ian was irreplaceable..... Powerful, intense, heartfelt vocals..... I think the band made the right decision by using existing members Hooky & Bernard for vocals

@@martever2012 Indeed only one Ian Curtis.

He was the top man !

Early New Order singles (both A and B sides) were never included on any albums.

funniest comment in this comment section 🤣

Loser

@@eancurtis9333 says the person whos avatar is named after a singer.

@@coolhandchunk hater

It also invokes a more dark and lonely feeling. Not lonely to the point of sadness but lonely as in like walking a desolate city street at night, with nothing to consume your mind but your thoughts and memories.

that cover sucks

Early New Order sounded like Joy Division...I dont think it was supposed to sound happy

He was on a lot of drugs

@@martever2012 Indeed still recovering from the loss of the driving force that was the genius Ian Curtis.

Their image isn't about laughing.

suicide isn't that funny though

Yeah, I’m sure we know what he would want or like more than the people who actually knew him, worked with him and loved him.

@@daughterofolaf Agreed.