They are AWESOME!

Same, 2k hours and I did not even know we HAD a tutorial

6.8k get on my level scrubs ;D

I got 7k hours😅

As the one who passed through this new tutorials: yes, its good, but they like throw a lot of information at you, and you just cant remeber it. Happily I had some friends to explain some things, but i still got to at least learn items at about 200 hours (but I got it is not that bad when i understood my 1k hours friend did not know about Raindrops..).

AXE IS AXE

@@salecroft1410 DIRE'S TOP TOWER HAS FALLEN! GOOD DAY SIR INDEED!

u have a cool dad

what new player experience? there was not even an experience xD swim! hahaha

Even turbo mode is amazing for learning new characters and getting combos into muscle memory in a real match situation. If turbo existed back when i played a lot of dota, i might have never dropped the game at all.

i mean, he helped make the current tutorial, and his is still on page 5.

@@TZAR_POTATO it was like a desert back, they just tell you how to move and do normal damage and skills. Then the rest of it? They chuck you into a 5v5 bot like a chick. And the demo was still bare bones, we had to type in on the console to add stuff like ally, runes etc.

@@Monte_Carlo451 Oh I remember, yes.

​@@Monte_Carlo451 Good old times Pre-reborn dota tutorial was play 1000 hours to learn the basics

@@nullstate8117 i remember playing the pre-reborn tutorials, they kinda feel like a wc3 campaign level, which is kinda cool

yup, times they are a'changin'!

yes Valve got bashed for not having good tutorials and not a new user-friendly game. That last hit and denying tutorials is the best. Even pro players mentioned this that they also practicing last hitting on that tutorial. And yes, Icefrog is back!

@@TZAR_POTATOtruth be told all this tutorial experience was added in patch several days before dragons blood started airing, before that it was absolute shit (basically nonexistent)

tbh buying tangos and going mid is already better than 60% of mids I get, literally 0 regen on lane.

remember when you have to download beginners tutorial workshop map to actually learn? lmao. I love the improvement from valve

I should have included this! Good point.

Would you recommend getting into Dota, as for someone who never played it before? I have played league of legends for years but that has been On & Off

@@0x-Game- Only if you love playing. If you don't really like League and play it only on and off, dota might just become another on and off game for you. But, it is free, so nothing hurts in giving it a try.

@@TZAR_POTATO I saw that it's possible to make a tons of money, and its the only game that are paying people alot of money. So i thought how hard can it be to become good? Or am I just thinking it's easy?

@@0x-Game- League Of Legends has a lot more paying tournaments, you can make more money there.

Agreed but everything else that related to the game promotion music tv show league out performed dota as a dota fan since 2009 it sad fuck Gaben honestly

I was there playing Dota, and I can say it was much harder, enviroment was much more toxic unfortunatly. There were to many things to argue for and to grief others. Not to mention other quality of life changes and lack of tutorial back then (after source 2).

@@Vivect Dota 2 is easier for me than LOL by a lot. Don't know why.

@@supertsar1934 I don't mean if it's harder or easier. You said you wish you were playing those 7 years ago and I say those 7 years ago dota was much more annoying to play, You had to remener stun lenght, neutral hitboxes, range was visible only after hoovering on skill etc.

@@Vivect Yeah I know. I remember my friend complaining about the couriers.

Awesome! Glad you had a good experience!

The last hit trainer is a surprisingly good tool for any level of players. Try see if you can reach 100%... you probably won't on your first try.

Just a heads-up. As in-depth as the tutorials can get, they don't scratch the surface of how complex the game is. Try playing against bots first to get a feel for the game, and the roles and mechanics. From there you could watch tutorials on heroes or roles that interest you.

@@rampantdisorder Ohhh I see I see. I'll definitely take note of that once I get to try out the game. Thank you!

@@laylahorizon4876 Just something from my perspective. The complexity of the game is actually what makes me love it so much. Remember this one mantra: There is always something you can do. Sometimes a game can feel so overwhelming that you feel like you've failed your team, but there's always something that you can do to make an impact. Sometimes a player is just better than you when it comes to clicking buttons better, but that doesn't count you out. You can look at enemies and think of items that counter them, you can look at allies and think of what items can boost them. You can stack, steal camps or exp, or even just make it harder for them to kill you and it provides a lot of impact in the game. Complexity is scary, but it also opens up so many potentials.

You wont get bored. Thats for sure. Always something new to try. Many moba is basically "land all of your spell and win" in many of the hero. But DotA is something else. Trying new heroes is like playing a new MOBA game. You basically can try 100-ish different MOBA game by playing DotA. I mean, mindset of playing Sven and playing Ember is huge different. Pressing buttons on single active Wraith King, is huge different from APM Invoker buttons. You can aim globally and doing sniping blind skill shot using Clock or Ancient Apparition and gain awe from your teammates. You can even play RTS gameplay with Chen or Meepo. Go ahead, try it.

Well as long as you don't use a brony as your steam PFP you should be good. Because unlike league, if your have an attitude and something easy to harass you about... well.. There's voice chat... And the games are longer. But the tutorials are nice so you'll have a decent understanding. I suggest you watch a video talking about what hotkeys for dota are important and quickly utilize them to comfortable, for your hands, keybinds.

same...the fun and excitement was on different level..learning from guides online then applying in the game

Yea, I started playing when I was like 10-11 and learning it was pretty natural, it wasn't confusing, I wouldn't get lost in the jungle etc. This is a thing that was never the case in Dota for me, everything looks super confusing and I would get lost in the jungle. I've tried playing it multiple times but it would always end up in me being confused and getting bored and uninstalling it. I'd like to give it another try though.

@@BltchErica man i remember my first blind draft back in the day i played vlad and i built him full lifesteal💀 because i mean i thought "vampire? this guy must build the stat called lifesteal!" .... i somehow won that game even got a quad honestly it wasnt even that bad probably cuz no anti heal back then...

@@LexisVoyage I think my first game was Vlad too haha, at least that's the first champ I remember playing, I thought he was extremely cool

​@@LexisVoyage When I played the game, I discovered that you could teleport. However, I mistakenly thought it was an item and spent a lot of time searching for it throughout the shop, only to realize my mistake. Your mention of this memory helped me recall this experience.

I remember when I tried that tutorial in that weird map that Sniper got bigged and couldnt pass the bridge so I had to restart it over and over until it fonally worked

That was like in 2013-14

@@Gabe-sp8ml Memory unlocked :DD

Remember that tutorial scenario where Tidehunter climbs from the bottom of the map

They don't market the game actually. We don't know the reason but I think dota just want the classic game popularity, because if they will try to advertise the game for sure there's a lot of players that will try and play. We dont even see ads about dota 2 on youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. Even a dota 2 content on youtube have Valorant ads. hahaha

@@EngrLau04 They don't yeah, that's why I said their marketing is shit. If Valve marketed Dota 2, we'd easily cross 1M active players again

​@@jrbudoybudoyit's still swings between 500k to 900k depending upon the ti dates

@@jrbudoybudoy I dont think dota 2 can ever reach league numbers even though dota is a much much superior game simply bcoz once you learn a bit about both games dota is more strategic and requires more thought process than league, and league games are usually shorter than dota games both of these points suit casuals very much. I love the way dota is the game was made for the community and the loyal community supports it I mean dota has the highest prize pool out of any esport and all that is bcoz of community, whereas league is just another cash grab disguised as a free to play game. I had my fun with league but it couldnt hold me as well as dota did

@@br0ken_107 It won't reach the 100 million player league did, but reaching 3 or more million is plausible if marketed correctly. You know why Riot Games continue to thrive? Because they know how to market their games. As annoyingly as it gets, but seeing ads of Valorant all over the place has made people try it.

If you want a guide, join the discord and @ me, i'll coach you!

Same

Did you tried it?

@@KitsuneFaroe i started dota 2 yesterday, well I liked it that much that I actually deleted lol

Dota is the best game I have played like ever and I have played a lot , I mean a lot of games , the satisfaction , those teamfights where you go all out , those comebacks , those play making are beyond words

It definitely used to be. Especially in the early early days. I used to love League but it's gotten so complicated and damage is so high now that a single mistake can take you from 100-0 in less than 2 seconds in the LANING PHASE

​@@Mochachocakon also champions have very high skill ceilings now and in some cases are overloaded with effects on their kits. For anyone interested just take a look at the champions Vayne or Kog'Maw and compare that to Aphelios or Akshan. The four champions share the same role basically. Not every new champion is designed like this, but it's mind boggling to me that Riot designs single abilities that have more words than full champion kits nowadays, i.e. Akshan's E ability has more words than all of Nasus' kit combined.

True

Well you can do that in League too 😊

@@Iyetube in game?

@@luizbeckman4007 wdym? Ye, there is a PRACTICE TOOL in league of legends to practice combos on dummies or practice last hitting etc, essentially it is just a 1v0 or PvE (if you count dummies as environment). For the rest Carloz mentioned there is an equivalent in league. Proplay, bots, normals and ranked are mirrored in both games. Then again the amount of resources and training aids found in DOTA far outweigh what you find in league. League new player experience is DOG!!

Hopefully. I can't believe the League bots only go up to "intermediate" while dota has "unfair" bots for a decade now.

@@TZAR_POTATO yea right. "Unfair" bot in DotA also better than the "Doom" bot in League. Doom bot only have OP stat and aghanim upgraded ability yet still suck at map navigation lmao Edit: and the worst part is.. Doom bot is a limited time gamemode

Dota 1 had bots that were able to function somewhat effectively and gank. I have no idea why LoL has not been able to make decent bots in all these years.

​@@karhu96because they haven't tried. As much as people like to clown on Riot for being this huge company, it doesn't have infinite budget and there are only so many people that can work on League (especially with all the movement in the industry during and post covid). You need to allocate resources and the tutorial and bots are not one of them (at least they weren't until now). Also, I don't find it fair to compare the options open to both since one is closed source and one is open source. In League you can't mod the tutorial. You can't instant swap champions in practice tool. These are engine level things that DOTA had since the start. League is much more Bionicle than Lego. It is less flexible fundamentally. They are making tons of cool stuff when it comes to AI. For example, a champion like Naafiri has really good AI for her dogs. And the new champion about to release called Briar has abilities that are literally AI based in the sense that she loses control and so do you the player until certain conditions are met. They always had the ability to improve these things but they preferred to allocate resources elsewhere (and no, it's not skins and money). I think Riot's auto recommend system for runes, summoner spells and items is better than DOTA's guides. It's statistics based for the most part (there are some core things that do change manually) and it's cool to see. I think in the current stage, DOTA is much more player friendly in terms of access to information. But as a game, I can't say the same. League will probably always be more inviting to new players because the games are shorter and the complexity is lesser. Also emphasis on champions rather than items makes it easier to be attached to the game and be good rather than being good with more deep and strategic elements (that do exist but are shallower than DOTA). It's a MOBA. Many MOBAs are way simpler than League. And to attract more people, simplicity is king. As much as I love all the tutorials DOTA has to offer, it's grueling to see that. I wanted to play a video game, not study for 8 hours in order to just function. There are pros and cons to both games. I like them both for different reasons. And they both stand to improve, especially League when it comes to new player experience (which they did improve a lot in the past year).

unfair bots need update imo, they're only good at early-mid then at late game somehow they refuse to defend@@rayznshine

the old sf picture explains everything I wish there were as many tutorials back in time

Good luck!

Im too anxious to play normal since Im new to the game thats why I set myself to bots first

50 gold for a smoke of deceit, used well with a coordinated team, can be stronger than 30000 in items on the hard carry.

Dota used to be like that. I still remember that patch when things started to change. It was balancing the amount of gold you get from hero kills based on the killed hero's net worth minus your own or something along those lines. Since then, you can see in graphs how wildly team overall net worth swings.

​@@soulxcvzc1561 The patch that change it was when any assist will get rewarded. The reward equal to %HP the enemy loss from your damage. Killing steal wasn't really matter since it just turn into a "score" which is good. Back then, when we play DoTA as a custom map of WC3, killing enemies that has a kills streak was very rewarding but punishing for them. The comeback will start to hit when they "die back" after "buy back". I dunno if I ever experience that in LoL. in LoL Most of the time, my teammate will concede ASAP as they realize it's hopeless.

I honestly can’t agree, though I haven’t played dota and I’m sure it’s great. League definitely has ways to flip the game even with a kill deficit and tons of other things. It’s just that players give up too quickly or don’t properly macro and end up with half the cs of their enemy laner

If you are a league player, would you like for me to coach you? I coach lots of league players in learning dota. Also, thanks for liking the vid!

@@TZAR_POTATO I'm a league player but a new one that is still struggling to play with unlocked camera haha, I'm sorry i can't pay for coaching as i'm from Egypt and our currency has little value against the dollar so it would be a lot to pay if you know what i mean, But thank you for the offer! I hope your channel gets bigger soon, Much love

@@qu4ke-a97 you watched my video, right? dota's coaching is all free up until like top tier mmr

@@TZAR_POTATO Of course i did, but i missed this because i'm sleepy sorry, That would be great i'll download the game and then how can i reach you?

@@qu4ke-a97 here, or on discord, both work great. Tag me anywhere, and I will come :)

Welcome back.

It's hella wild in my first days playing DotA1. I keep buying the useless recipes hahaha

I ll never forget that we had to use Numlock numbers of keyboard to use itens HAHA, Golden times...

Literally me with my tissue papers(recipes) hahah

good old days

u played dota 1 for so long that u also memorized the shortcut keys for every items😂

Go for it!

Not being able to click and see enemies, or test anyone in demo, really sucks.

Have fun! If you like it, join the discord and link with others learning dota :)

League toxicity is quality over quantity, the opposite of dota, but in dota a mute+report feels better, with just one click! Also for dota, always say that you are new looking for tips, you will be on average WAY less flamed.

@@TZAR_POTATO I mean in league it's two clicks. Not sure why Dota feels better though? Is the reporting system more useful there?

The toxicity of LoL is kinda sus thing. Riot made really strong censor and they mute and ban toxics. But shithead people in LoL doing the other way. They trolling, feeding, ruining or literally clearing your jng. Game thinks that they're playing normally and he cant be banned for this. There is a lot of unmanner people and just terrible idiots. I dunni why, but dota more friendly for this one. I make a few new accs and no one flames each other. Same with my friends. There is a couple of leavers but it is problem of all MOBA games.

@@ClickHere4Naruto OOOOOOH Yeah, have you heard of what dota does to punish toxic players? Two punishment systems. The first is a lower Community Score (communication/feeding) the matchmaking system will try to match people with the same score to each other. So, as people report and mute, it makes toxic players generally be placed in pubs with only other toxic players. The second system is for the truly egregious, vile players, called Low Priority Queue. Reserved for feeders, griefers, cheaters, and people repeatedly being toxic, it forces you into 20 minute queue times with ONLY other feeders and griefers, with basically RANDOM heroes for everyone, and you MUST WIN like 3 games (more for each violation) to leave. You are stuck in dota HELL until you can win games with people as toxic as you are. People fear low prio so much, it tends to be a good deterrent for toxicity most of the time.

@@TZAR_POTATO See things like this the riot Devs have actually said they don't want to implement but if they're working well in Dota I'm surprised they still have that perspective. I do wonder how this impacts high elo though and the accuracy of it. Lets say you're a challenger equivalent in Dota but get into these queues, will it basically make finding a game impossible or skew matchmaking so much that it disrupts the idea of balanced games?

Thanks for being a fan! I am old too, been playing dota since 2009 abouts.

Welcome, also try the discord out!

Fair enough, and if you want help in dota let me know!

that makes sense, if you compare the amout of strategic and tactical mechanics in both games in LoL you need much less theoretical knowledge to be effective in mid-range lvl of gaming

Yea and you can always search something up on internet or watch a video if you really want to know something.

Turbo mode games are 15-30 minutes. My friends and I often play those in between

Isn't it still mostly broken?

@@TZAR_POTATO Yeah I think the Sunsfan one still exists. But I think they did a pretty good job with the valve one too. Kudos. I completed the whole set just to get the shards. SIgh. If valve ever advertised their game like Blizzard does, we could have had Dota 2 in the Olympics by now.

@@TZAR_POTATO Yeah, i think its made on a specific patch, but it still covers a lot of in game things. Last time i played it was 2 months ago, buggy but finishable

@@amarjanovic26 I play it from time to time for the memes. Good content!

then he should have mention all tools it is for league also

If you think you are a good coach, you can join my discord and offer your help out.

@@TZAR_POTATO im not sure how good i am at coaching and id rather play the game. regardless i am in the middle of a move so i wont have time to join for a few more days

not to mention the people flaming u for being new its as if they dont want new people to join LOL well considering how the game is being treated now i cant blame them. But the coaching rank really does help I have a decent dota 2 rank and coach alot that really does seem to help (especially with people from lower bracket since hero and meta there are very different from high rank matches) im not sure if that exist on LOL but i cant see the option. Either am blind af or they placed it on some obscure location.

As someone who played lol back in s2. It’s kind of a matter of just loving the game enough to invest time in looking for outside information to help you play better, let alone be on par with the rest of the playerbase since the game tells you nothing, and Riots “the burden of knowledge is on the player” philosophy is coming to bite them back in the ass.

Nope, but a question for you: do you tell your team each game that you are a very new player? If you do that people tend to be much nicer in general. If that doesn't work... are you in SEA or Russian servers? If so, there's no helping you, good luck.

Try the final tutorial mission from the community, it's full of memes and jokes!

My first experience of DotA is also the same and in my opinion, this is the best way to enjoy Dota use a few tutorials to grab an idea what the game about and then just trial and error your way to understand more about the game. The only downside is you have to deal with meta slaves, if I find some meta heroes annoying, just ban or learn to counter, if someone complained just mute them

@@TZAR_POTATO Alright will do 😁👍

@@TZAR_POTATO thanks for the advice mate 😁

"I'm playing on the SEA server" Found your problem! :D

@@TZAR_POTATO i will wait on your axe and darius comparison.. they do have similar play style afterall..

@@arczuha9209 these things, they take time! I do hope you like the videos I make meanwhile!

Double comment?

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When talking about items, you might really like my 2-part series comparing the items from both games.

The term "LOL" isn't banned in league. I believe LoL was much more newcomer friendly in the early days. I started to play the game in 2011 when there were 77 champions in the game. Many if not most of those had either point and click abilities, were reliant on auto attacks or had abilities which deal damage around them or in a cone in the target direction. Nowadays most champions are reliant on skillshots in some capacity. Items were mostly stat sticks with a few good usables. Runes and masteries were also very straight forward stat sticks. Nowadays the game grants much more gold all around, items became cheaper and the new rune system provides more damage or utility in general. It's also very common to have at least one usable item nowadays. One badly timed missstep in the laning phase of toplane can punish you for the rest of the phase, because the enemy completely snowballs out of control if they play it right. Stopping you from accessing XP, gold and potentially killing you over and over. Just talking about soloqueue in a fair environment like both players are at least high plat elo and somewhat know what they are doing. But i have no knowledge about DOTA. I'm trying to get into the game because i'm absolutely disgusted by the newer champions and champion reworks after a 3+ years break from LoL and a 5 years period of not playing the game on a regular basis prior to that. I played around 120 games of LoL in the last month and i'm not having a good time in at least 50% of my games, because there's some new champion with almost no counterplay which is fed and becomes an almost unkillable beast.

@@daddykratos-69 lol, i gotta try that

I thought they would also like to know that in part the community is kinder because Valve itself tries to filter them, you have options to report them as long as they don't pick their role, when they federate at the end, you can deactivate the voice chat and the normal for each player, another is also that at the end of the game when you report you leave the comment and apart the same dota gives you benefits that you remember for your reviewing games where people supposedly fed and give a verdict. And the best thing is that having a place to play, most of them lower their frustration only in the turbo, many in which I include myself play for fun and if they are encouraged you go to the more relaxed ranked, this avoids much flaming.

Yeah it's really annoying.

conclusion? Do you want to try a moba or are you playing one already?

Thanks for being a fan

It's a text message in all chat with white font. Nothing big or special.

... I hope you enjoyed my vid.. god that sounded so depressing!

Just let people play what they want to play

also that moment when the main menu bgm greets you. holyshit the goosebumps man.. you felt really cool as shit playing this game back then in internet cafes.

You're welcome!

pig pole

Pudge used an item that self hexes, called Pig Pole.

The Pudge thing is an item that the neutrals give you that can transform you into a pig and you gain some speed points but how the Ursa slows down was not noticed.

Glad you enjoyed! Yeah it's like the video at start :D

If you have xbox game pass try again, connecting it to riot unlocks everyone!

no thank you, i play a real moba! :)

​@@D0RYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"real moba" is such a pathetic phrase. And if it was a "real moba" then how is it nowhere close to lol in anything involving playerbase

I mean, I hope it's the best video for league too... to highlight how ass league's tutorial is

It is a big problem, and I've talked about it in other threads yeah.

Both games cater to different kinds of players. I'm slow and like strategy and tactics so Dota is for me, but people that prefer getting their reaction speed and control tested do prefer League.

Happy to help!

Will you join the discord? I got links pinned in the learn tab for hero guides n'stuff!