When i first played dota i asked my friend "How was the balance again?" And he said "If all is broken none is broken"

"With great power comes great counter" - Uncle Gaben

Its hard to apreciate, but every hero in dota is designed to have checks and balances. When they are so powerful that those checks are no longer effective, the hero gets nerfed. Its worked so far and allows each hero to feel powerful in the right situation, without being unbeatable.

thats why i freaking love dota, it's either an hour of enjoying stomping enemies or an hour of prolonged suffering of being stomped.

I think the fact that most spells in Dota don't scale with items and there are counter too any spell within the items make it a little more balanced. and the fact that unlike Lol in Dota you have access to all heroes from get go makes Dota more strategic and balanced because you can counter pick.

The most broken aspect of Dota seems balanced compared to the worst of LoL. In LoL you way too often die in 0.005 seconds from burst damage 💀

"Anything can work in dota" - some dude who won 2 TIs back to back

Really makes people realzie how important draft phase to dota is.

Aw, it would've been great to have Axe here. His main mechanic is just, "Screw your avoiding death, now die" Fun hero to play to counter the likes of Abaddon, Dazzle, and Oracle.

In League items lead primarily to more damage or more sustain, and it's heavily weighted towards the damage side. The comeback mechanics like bounties or elder dragon are also not nearly as potent (I'd argue elder isn't even a comeback mechanic at all). This creates games where most characters can kill any non-tank within 1-2 seconds, or faster in team fights, and there's less ways to stop or punish individual characters who get ahead. So mechanics that are actually unique or cool feel way worse in practice, because there's basically no way to build against it, and it grants the enemy team a lead in the one thing people are building (damage) so they can push that lead even more and become even harder to stop. Even something as simple as stuns feel way worse, because a 1.5 second stun usually means instant or near instant death and more advantage for the enemy. In my experience with League, the game often uses high skill expression and fun acrobatic fighting game esque character designs in order to bypass the otherwise incredibly stat-checky nature of league's gameplay. Meanwhile in Dota there's so many items to build that all interact with different gameplay systems in unique ways and make every character extremely versatile. Yes PA can get absurd evasion and be virtually immune to all autos, but there's an item that lets you bypass that if you're willing to lose the inventory slot and invest the gold. (the only thing that works like this in league iirc is Quicksilver Sash with some things like Mord ult, an item that is otherwise virtually useless due to its terrible cost efficiency and feels more like a punishment) And if you do adapt like this and catch someone on it, you can rapidly turn their advantage into yours and clutch out games. The comeback mechanics are real. So you can almost always come up with some kind of unique strategy to try and deal with a situation. I do love both games for different reasons (league's high-movement fighting game esque gameplay is genuinely very fun) but League will never be able to go as crazy as Dota can just because of the core mechanics of the game. There's a popular league youtuber who recently talked offhandedly about how Akshan's revive mechanics attacks the competitive integrity of the game itself for existing. And I thought back on Dota having Nature's Prophet, who can have a 0 cooldown teleport to any tree on the map including directly into enemy base, and that character isn't even considered that good. One of these games encourages crazy broken unique mechanics and ideas from its developers, and the other bends and breaks when the rigid design rules are poked too hard. And despite all that Dota still has a more varied hero landscape in pro play.

If you ever decide to make a sequel to this, you may want to mention blink dagger. At a medium gold cost, you get a 3x range 15 second cooldown flash. Though it is disabled for 3 seconds if you take damage. When i tried league, I missed having such a powerful initiation/escape tool.

My favorite part of DOTA and HOTS as someone who started MOBAs with League is that both of those games break every rule of balance and champ design that League taught me and create some of the dopest kits as a result.

Tbh Dota still is the most "balanced" moba out there. There is nothing you can't counter in Dota unless something is waaaay out of control. But in comparison in lol that happens with a champ with half an item and one kill. And God know how many times I died to a random basic ability flying through the screen in late game basically from full health.

Rubick: Hm, your abilities look pretty cool, why don't I borrow two of em and make em have less cooldown and more range

Pudge alone can break league players minds lol. Imagine a blitzcrank hook at goes beyond your screen that can be immediately followed up with a point to click warwick ult while being able to stack both HP and AD infinitely thru kills.

One thing worth noting, CK's Aghs makes 1 meepo illusion for every Meepo DivWeStand Clone.

When everyone is broken. Non is overpowered.😅

14:03 "detection cheap and plentiful" but nobody ever seems to have it xD

That's not even the most broken thing about Luna.. You should have shown his Autoattacks just bouncing off enemy towers melting them in seconds.😅🤣

this is why dota has good competitive scene like soccer. Simple to spectate, fun if played with friend, outplay are easily observed. Also more enjoyable to watch than play itself :|

"you dont need to balance anything if you can imbalance everything" - Gaben

All of us DOTA 2 vets watching him explaining "unbalanced mechanics and abilities" while we had to go trough Monkey King on Release 3 shoting you on lvl 3

Not just abilities but the items as well. 10 second immunity to spells. Instant invis with a single button. Refresh your whole kit and items. Teleport across the map in 45 seconds. Dodge basic attacks. Return full damage in a 5 second duration. Push enemies or allies.

Every champion has some mobility spell, some skillshot nuke, some defensive ability, and the ult and passive are the only things different. Items also easily draw parallels between the magic and atk routes, albeit some uniqueness. In dota, every spell, passive and item is something right out of a group of think tank on copious amounts of cocaine. No structure, no drawing parallels. That makes it insanely hard to learn, but infinitely more skill cap. Then they added talent trees. Shard. Neutral items. Expand the Map. Yeah, icefrog is going to make sure existing dota players get their brains churned into a paste.

What's crazy is some of the heroes mentioned here is basically 'trash' hero in dota, as in you only pick them in very very favorable matchup unless they will be countered easily. Or a simple low rank pub stomper

never played league in my life, still found this video very entertaining. good job! would be amazing to see every hero and item explained like this

Dota 2's balancing philosophy seems to be something like: "Buff or rework something until it's broken and then nerf everything else about the hero or item, or buff the counters". It takes something truly gamebreaking to warrant being adressed directly by whoever's in charge of the balance. Something that's either so overpowered it would just be game losing to let the enemy team have it (Drow's old global bonus range damage aura or Centaur's stunning Stampede ulti come to mind) or it's something so underpowered it's not considered competitively viable even after 10 straight patches of direct buffs. (Old Bloodseeker's skill kit)

The only major problem of Dota 2 is the ever-increasing complexity with new things and their counters being added from time to time. It can potentially be extremely confusing and intimidating for newer players to try out the game.

9:29 I love how Barathum beautifully exposes the size of DOTA’s map compared to LoL’s One of the reasons I prefer DOTA over LoL

The thing with Dota is that everything id insanely strong in what it is meant to do and the devs holds no bar on it, the games has very little restriction on game breaking combos and strategies that it feels very refresh for me as a long time league player. Never in my mind could i imagine a game that lets your support farms items for you and have cc chains into the 10 of seconds lol, not to mention having items that completely neutralize some style of heroes...

I love when u show the part 2 about the counters. This is the beauty of DOTA.

The biggest difference between League and Dota2 is that in Dota you can counter hero/ability counters with items, something that's almost totally lacking in league, not just as protection from certain abilities, but as punishment for them using it to begin with. One example is Leagues Poppy who is considered a counter to dashing champions, but compared to Dota2s Blood seeker, this is really no counter at all. Blood seekers ulti makes any hero affected by it take serious damage for every inch they move. 1 single blink (flash) and you basically suicide. These kind of punishing counters are none existing in league and if your draft is losing it's much harder to compensate in game compared to dota.

Dota is very simple: If you don't know enough, if you're not skilled enough and if you can't adapt enough... any Hero might seem broken, but if you go the other way around you'll also realize that any "broken" Hero can be brought-down at almost any point-in-time!... and most of the times, by some very basic mix of all those different aspects in the game.

What's the track id for the first one?

The Tinker one will always blew every League player. The concept of infinite abilities + items is very mind boggling for League player and will make them went "how do you counter this ?"

Honestly, just make a part 2 lmao. This was great. I'm sure League players would love to watch it. Maybe even make some about League. I know nothing about it. Been playing Dota since 2012, and I don't plan on stopping.

Love how he didnt present any tinker counters XD

A very great vid dude, good to see that there's potential in advertising dota through its mechanics and gameplay rather than belittling our competition with other MOBAs. 10000/10 - 5 Stars - MVP - you nailed it.

The funny thing is that a good amount of stuff in here either used to exist in LoL or some reduced version of it is still in it today. Got reminded of old Evelynn, beta Jax, old Yorick, Master Yi Q/old Fiora R, even that one bouncing ult reminded me of old Fiddle E. LoL definitely got all its ideas from somewhere.

What’s the music? It’s killing me

If everything is broken, nothing is broken- probably icefrog

as someone who played Dota early but switched to league.... ya... this is only some of the crazy things. Treant Protector, whom I played, could HEAL turrets.

I cried laughing seeing how everything was just escalating more, and getting out of hand. But I saw a couple characters that seemed really fun like ogre magi. Then I treant protector happened and I was like what else could there possibly be

Riot: The champion is doing great let's nerf him Valve: The hero is doing great let's buff others

Ive never heard this remix of teardrop.

I am surprised you didnt mention Zett. Giant range slow nuke, full evasion field thats can be placed twice lol, a clone with full abilities and reduced cooldowns. If you have no idea how to play against it its fucking terrifying lol! Lvl 500 raidboss with 4 illusions pushing highground and killing things in fountain.

04:13 Bro the perma stun got me like 💀 Edit: by the way here the name of first track Massive Attack - Teardrop (Contra Bootleg) i found it by scrolling through the comment section looking for the name of this track... The second track is on the description at the very bottom.

Just stumbled upon your videos, loving them, also amazing choice in music. keep it up!

To be honest I think the first insane things any LoL player would notice before anything else would be: 1) TP not interrupted by damage (only stun/root) 2) blink dagger 3) how little damage towers do Also, the reverse list for me personally (of insane things in LoL): 1) you can't disjoint projectiles 2) you can buffer spell animations through stuns (f.e. if lux casts ult right before getting stunned ult still goes off while she is stunned) 3) heroes need to be unlocked As for the balance, I felt LoL being worse in that regard as amount of one-shots from random ass heroes is through the roof. In dota you have a few heroes who can 1-shot you like that (PA / nyx), but more often than not you can either play around it - be it better positioning or itemization. And while LoL has a number of heroes that are quite unhinged by dota standards - Talon being able to jump any cliff, Katarina with all the CD resets, or Lee Sin dashing all over the place - while all that is indeed very impressive, I honestly can't even think of any good examples because most of lol heroes characterize by how much they slap. Look at Ekko - he got all these unique elements + ult same as weaver, but all I can say about him - he deals way too much damage. In dota hearing that somebody won 1v5 is a rarity - some lvl 30 antimage or 6-slotted medusa maybe, while in LoL it's every other hero.

Great job, man! And it's just small part of it actually. Old storm spirit that could fly freely how he wants with stacked bloodstone, ember's spirit aghanim fire remnants, specter ult, ravage, rubick's 2 spell steal, morphling agi-str and ult, fk, there won't be enough text space in 1 KZfaq comment to count all amazing and SUPER FKIN' BROKEN mechanics for lol. I think one blink dagger would break lol's balance😂😂😂

I'll also always respect someone that can bring-up a mix of Massive-Attack: Tear Drop into a video, the way you did it!🤘❤🤟

Hey, great video! Did you think about making a video about the difference in objectives between Dota and LoL? Like how Roshan, Tormentors, Outposts, all the different runes (bounty/wisdom/power) shape the game of Dota VS how Rift/Baron, Dragons and scuttles do the same in LOL? This could also touch a bit on the role of jungler in LoL and the way Dota got rid of its "junglers".

"ah.. my finest creation" -IceFrog

I just love how every hero identity is completely countered by another one. Dusa is super strong and tanky because of her mana shield? Yeah, AM and WR+diffusal do not give a shit with their mana burn. Puck is insanely mobile and impossible to catch? Blink lion hex. Meanwhile in LoL, there is no counter to yuumi except a nerf. In Dota, heroes are countered by items and other heroes. It also makes it so we don't see the same 10 champions every game because PB in pro play is boring af.

Can I know what was used as the first background music?

hell yeah, got the massive attack playing quietly in the background, complimenting the random drum track greatly

I always think about Dota2 whent it comes to balance a game in a right direction. The bold way Valve makes these huge changes all the time should be an example for others, how to keep a game alive, interesting and dynamic. The recipe is simple: 1) make everything strong 2) make it skill dependant to extract this strength 3) add endless variables 4) add some randomness So, to win, you have to: 1) Know your hero 2) Be really good with it 3) Balance meta/surprise/situational builds 4) Tame the luck WIth these, the game process will always be fresh and unique at least in some way. And there are always huge patches incoming

what's the song starting from 0:31? edit: found it. search up exactly "Massive Attack - Teardrop (Contra Bootleg)"

Item stacking is weird. The way it works is that the game looks at each item separately for it to trigger. So with PA, it looks at her passive of 50% and sees if it triggers. If not, it moves onto the next item like butterfly w/33%. Then the next butterlfy, then the next, and the next on after that. That way, you cant have 100% evasion or crit. Plus you have items like Monkey King Bar which negates evasion.

As a Dota player, I can confirm, that all of this are true (before big changes that happen a while a go to some of the skills, like Omn ultimate)

Tbh in a real game people will have break, hex, stuns, etc. to counter carries. But in League all you need is healing champ + healing items or just go tank and one shot everything. 😂😂

5:00 Brand's R but cooler 💀

Track from beginning - Massive Attack - Teardrop (Contra Bootleg)

that part 2 with everything got a counter was a very cool demonstration, that is something I love about dota

that's why i love dota.even when you are 48k gold behind, you can still win

Please do more videos on Dota 2, for League of legends players. i just started playing dota 2, and something that I have noticed is how hard the items is to understand etc

yooo your guides in reddit really helped me a lot bro, subbed to the goated potato!

Having $ free access to all the heroes is an understated part of dotas balance as you can start learning about counter picks and team strategy right from the start and not releasing heroes too often leads to more consistent balance thats better maintained. Geez leagues abilities are so damn fun tho, thresh's kit kept me going back and loving the support role.

With all due respect I STILL think this video doesn't do dota heroes justice. You should've showed off more than one ability of heroes' kits. Yeah, Treant's global vision sounds OP, but it becomes something otherworldly when you consider HE CAN STUN THE ENTIRE MAP. Let me list more of heroes'abilities showcased in this video, for anyone reading to TRULY understand the insanity of Dota (In order of the video) Anti-mage: has a blink with CD of only 4 seconds across the entire screen Faceless Void: can DODGE abilities that would've hit otherwise Bristleback: for each ability cast he gets extra attack damage and move speed Silencer: deals PURE (bypasses armor and resistances) damage based on the amount of his int stat (mana and mana regen). PERMANENTLY STEALS int stat of enemies upon killing them (your base mana pool might not be enough to cast your spells anymore). This can stack infinitely Warlock: casts bonds that transfer dealt damage to everyone under their effect (if one gets hit, they all get hit) Pudge: permanently increases his health and AD upon kill or assist. Stacks infinitely Juggernaut: places a ward that heals in AOE better THAN THE BASE ITSELF, best healing source in the game Kunkka: all of his abilities are equally insane. He can stun the entire screen for 5-6s, he can delay dealt damage to him and his team if they get hit by his AOE stun, and that red mark can teleport enemies back too OGRE MAGI: can buff towers, giving them insane attack speed Omniknight: all of his abilities deal pure damage, and a lot of it Slardar: places a tracker mark on the enemy, reducing their armor and revealing their position for the entire duration of it. Lasts a lot, CD only 4s Tidehunter: STUNS THE ENTIRE SCREEN. CAN DO IT TWICE. NEEDS NO SETUP Lich: good luck trying to walk, all of his abilities (5 in total) have a built-in AOE slow, and they all stack with eachother Oracle: FULL SPELL IMMUNITY on him or his ally every 8s, if cast on enemy will turn off their right click Phantom assassin: 400% CRIT PASSIVE AS AN ULT. YOU CAN ONESHOT. WITH HIGH CONSISTENCY. Riki: places an AOE smoke bomb that increases damage dealt to you, slows you, silences you, and makes you miss every attack. Debuffs work by just standing in it Sniper: can stun you across 3 screens every 10s. Not a skillshot, just left click the bad man and it'll land. Terrorblade: can create copies of himself or his enemies Abaddon: each 4th hit silences and slows down enemy Mirana: another stun across 3 screens. A skillshot, but compensates this by being a 6 SECOND STUN. Chaos knight: both his crit and his stun can be 4 times the duration if you're lucky. Illusions throw this stun with you Earthshaker: leaps like LeBron James to charge up a crit. This crit deals 450% dmg and has a cleave (Will hit everyone near it) Spirit breaker: decreases effectiveness of CC (stun duration, slow, etc) by 80% every 5s. Treant Protector: already mentioned the MAP STUN. If you're near a ward, you'll get stunned. But. He can also heal buildings. Jakiro: one of few things to damage towers with magic, which will also kill their attack speed. Luna: her glaves bounce between targets. A LOT. Batrider: can fly. Ignores all collision in the game. Dragged enemies will fly too, meaning he can steal you out of nowhere like Batman (bat lol) and noclip away Chen: map-global heal. Doesn't only affect heroes, but everything and everyone Snapfire: multitarget armor-piercing heavy machine gun with real life accurate attack speed and damage Tinker: his laser decreases your dmg and max health by 25%. AOE. Multiple instances stack

you should've shown cast range decrease abilities(bane's enfeeble and tinker's shard)

what is music title for first 5 min video?

Used to play both many years ago and now i just play Wild Rift for my MOBA fix, but tbh i’ve been considering coming back to DotA recently and seeing videos like this one popping up in my recommended is always fun to see! >w

I haven't played dota in a very long time beside costume games and I've been grinding league. This video is fucking great

"if everything is broken, no one is" Also, everyone envies Pudge's hook. They WISH they can hook as far as pudge can Btw, oracle's ult delay the damage and double the healing at the end

What Makes Dota more fun and challenging at the same time is how heroes aren't designed to have the complete kit. Those who stun, usually don't do damage, those who do damage, can't stun. So, that forces you to play with your team to have full combos, rather than every hero just playing for themselves.

The sladar and primal beast absolutely funny

thats what true fantasy at highest looks like.

in dota competitive scene its very fun to watch the waiting moment and the strategy, where they had to solve the problem and how they tackled the threats. while in league it felt, as if one guy pick one of the hardest champion and managed to pulled it of, it looks awesome (such as akali/yasuo to say the least). both have its own fun. but hell i wont grind shit just to experience other champion lmao. no.

when everybody is overpowered, then no one is.

what name is first song?

its why i love marci and marci was the hero that convinced me to play dota cuz she reminded me of league playstyle KEKW

Because dota manipulated the game into problem solving, not female hero i win

the best quote I've heard is "if everything is overpowered, nothing is overpowered."

Some things I would've added to the video: Void's Backtrack dodging nukes, Warlock also summons golems on death so you could have 6, Pudge blink + aether hook for ultimate max range, Ogre magi should multicast midas and hex, I think Tidehunter's ult is more noticable than his OP kraken shell and tankiness to new players, and especially showcase the GLOBAL RANGE heroes

2:46 should’ve showed some of the fun interactions such as blinking while in omnislash to continue on far away enemies, or casting it on lotus orb for the anime battle.

What’s the name of the first song? I don’t remember it, Shazam doesn’t work because the game sound is too loud, help por favor 💀

5:28 Oracle Ult show fire on top if the damage is greater than the heal

Crazy thing is that its still balance

Amazing for introducing my main. "Tinker" 12:58 league players will try, cause it's amazing sadly he's not op if someone counter him.

I tried a few times to get into League, but dota is my forever game: so much freedom of expression for creative builds and playstyles. However I do love these vids showing the difference between the two games. Also: today I learned that Massive Attack’s “Teardrop” has a drum and bass version. Thanks!

song name at 1:52 pleeease?? feels like 10:00 PM playing an RPG anime game on PC grinding some op weapons while lights in your room is turned off and feeling the coldness of the air conditioner

Warlocks fatal bonds are more bonkers than his ult, the damage it can dish out quite quick is insanity.

When everyone is unbalanced, no one is.

What's the background music you have used? it slaps hard! 4:10

PLEASE tell me the name of the song that you used in the beginning, it unlocked a hidden memory lol. i know i listened to it forever ago but i cant remember the name.

After watching this video i will never bad talk riot games again when they release a new champion

9:07 and, ofc, there are still (and always will be imo), many and great reasons why Drum n Bass still slaps in a Dota video and why Dota looks so good in a Drum n Bass video! 10/10

Actually everything can be countered, what make its hard when to decide how to use it at the right time and right moment

The DnB background music is top notch

I sometimes wish I had a Lotus Orb in League, just imagine the rage of your enemies xD