1:12 White mice usually require an additional coating to make the surface resist yellowing, so there's your extra gram or two.

Damn the shade at the end lmao. I do agree that it’s a bit overpriced but Logitech pretty much did the exact same when releasing the G Pro Wireless Superlight, and they saw massive success with that… when it comes to the “Pro” name, I think that “Pro” refers to professional/esport players that value ingame performance more than anything. I think it’s targeted at that specific niche and that’s why they’re still selling the Viper Ultimate along side it.

They had excellent opportunity to undercut the Superlight, and tip the scale towards value as they did with the viper mini. Absolutely agree with you Frank. As an existing RVU user, I'd have to give into their greed to get a nice weight and button upgrade.

Thank you for laying down the facts on Razer! This mouse definitely shouldn’t be $150. We need people like you to point out issues with a platform so we get change. Thank you!

You're right about the weight difference being noticeable. I notice it with my g pro vs superlight, It makes holding the mouse more natural and effortless. And I prefer razer's flatter shape. So I'd love this mouse if ambidextrous with no right side buttons wasn't such an annoying trend, because if you're used with doing important stuff in-game with them, then the use for such a mouse is rather limited. As it is, I'd rather get 2 more ultimates for the price of one of these, before everyone saves a few bucks on 2 switches and you can't get proper ambi mice anywhere.

The v2 pro is definitely what the ultimate and mini combined is, which imo is really good since the size and weight of the mini was really good to most people who likes to game with claw and fingertip grip.

The Viper Mini was perfect for me other than sensor and mouse wheel, RVU was perfect other than side grips (they had huge dents from melting off for me within 2 months), mouse wheel and dock connection issues. The V2 Pro is everything I wanted the RVU to be, except for the lack of an improved dock.

that shot with the switch on the watch talking about its life-span was SICK. awesome review man

Price tag too high. But compare to the Superlight and the V2 Pro is the better product in every way from a performance perspective. They removed several features that I don't care about ex. RGB, LH side buttons, etc. But it has improved sensor, switches, and significant weight reduction and these are thing I do care about. If price isn't an issue, get the V2 Pro. If price is an issue, the Viper ultimate is a great value right now and still a top mouse on the market.

1:12 Without knowing exactly what formula they use, I assume they use Titanium Oxide to dye the white plastic, which would add a few grams of weight to the product.

I think other than the weight, the optical switch contributed to the "pro", but yeah $150 is still to high for a price.... I was going to put this on my next mouse purchase list but for the price, I will not add this. Thanks for the vid.... and for testing the mouse click with you e-brush :D

Just a thought on something. Razer’s “ X “ line up of mice don’t share the same features as the V2 pro. I understand where you’re coming from for sure, but if this were to be an X peripheral then there would be a few changes. • It wouldn’t be using their 30K focus sensor. • It would possibly be powered by an external battery ( AA/AAA lithium on the user side to cut weight ). • It might not use their 3rd gen optical switches. Since this mouse fits into their flagship category it was probably priced as such. I think you’re right about them removing dock capability to cut weight. Thing about cutting weight is .. there’s only so much you can do while trying to maintain a product that still feels solid. I don’t think I’d say it’s worth $150, maybe $100 or $130 at best. For comparison, the HyperX Pulsefire Haste Wireless is $80 and uses a worse sensor ( albeit still a great mouse ). Just my thoughts! Great video regardless!

2:00 was unexpected and I full flinched

I found that the wireless charging contacts on the ultimate just need to be cleaned. I just use a tooth brush to clean the contacts when it starts to get finicky and it starts working like new again. Not so sure the other upgrades are worth losing the dock for me. I am not against spending money to upgrade to new versions when it's warranted, I bought the huntsman tkl V2 after only having the TE for a year because the upgrades were a substantial improvement. This seems like a side grade at best. I'd be more tempted to send $80 and get an ultimate with a newer manufacture date for the refreshed switches than to buy this for $150

that handcam with the game on the background was truly genius. nice one, dude

That's an awesome review! you said the good and the bad about the mouse, and you gave such a good constructive criticism, that's what i like about a youtuber that helps me make a good decision when it comes to buying a product, you were honestly fair for the company and the consumers. Great job Frank.

Tbh I think this is the first product that actually deserves the pro name. Most companies add the pro name to products with added gimmicks that most "pros" would never use. If you're upset about the price you can blame Logitech for that, the G pro X Superlight was $159 when it dropped.

I had been eyeballing the Viper and saw this was likely coming soon, but as soon as the Ultimate starting showing up for almost half the price the V2 Pro was expected to launch at, it just seemed really hard to justify waiting. Newer switches that may or may not feel better than ones I already like; side buttons that extend out a little more for better tactility; no RGB, which I don't really care about anyway (but can just turn off); and no charging dock, which wouldn't be a huge deal if I could use a magnetic cable but it doesn't look like I can. Soooo... Ultimate it is. Seems like they should've just kept the Ultimate but updated the switches. Wouldn't be surprised to see those popping up on eBay for people to swap into their Ultimates.

I really appreciate your blunt and honest review Frank, I had always thought you were a Viper fan boy but after watching this review I take it back and you have earned more respect as a reviewer IMO.

Wow you've really upped the quality of the videos lately (not that it was bad before), it's really nice!

Would've been an instant buy but there's no dock, hope they do an ultimate variant with the dock. Glad the grips are optional, I didn't cover my RVU and now they've worn through.

I mean 30k dpi is unnecessary although it is a great way to determine how capable the sensor is to be able to go that high while maintaining precision

Love to see how you stay honest and give your true opinion on a product.

The honesty about the product shown here is one of the many reasons I'm subbed and find your videos very helpful

Is this deja vu? Doesn’t this sound similar to how the G Pro to the G Pro X launch? Great mouse, more expensive and less features.

I recently bought the now "outdated" Viper ultimate and I'm still happy with my purchase, with the new V2 pro they baisically removed all of the features I bought the mouse for

Frank appreciate the no bs at the end. I don't even need a new mouse just thought Id hear your take. happy with the Model D black gloss with ceramic feet on it, All thanks to your reviews man.

The best thing about this is that viper ultimate price drop. Getting that viper ultimate with the dock at $80 felt like a steal. Switched from the glorious model O to that and it feels so good in every way.

They needed to counter superlight, which had a big success. People actually can spend crazy amount of money if you convince them that these features are directly improving your aim. (in this case the weight and wireless)

it has better feet which look like aftermarket skates, still comes with the grip tape, its lighter than the g pro x superlight, it just no longer docks.

Great video Frank, that value analysis really gave me something to think about

the green screen on the mousepad for the gameplay was epic !!!

G Pro to G Pro Superlight is considered an upgrade because it had less features to begin with, now RVU to RV2 is considered a downgrade because it started with more features and decreased on the RV2. Might be biased to say that Razers downfall was because the RVU was just too good, and they were taking away more in comparison with the GP to GPX since it had less features.

I think the naming's a little confusing but may provide some hints. Razer Viper v2 Pro seems it may be a competitor for the G Pro Wireless Superlight, as it dropped the extra side buttons, aesthetically looks quite similar, and actually appears to be lighter than the G Pro Superlight. It also appears to be priced in line with the MSRP of the G Pro Superlight. The name also doesn't actually include ultimate. I wouldn't be surprised if Razer releases a Viper Ultimate v2 [Pro] or something similar down the line. If these are the case the pricing, features, and aesthetic seem to make sense from that standpoint if those are the features you care about. For me your points make sense as I think the ultimates weight is already fine, wouldn't want to do away with the extra side buttons, and is cheaper.

To answer the weight question, plastics require colorant and depending on the color more or less color will need to be used to change the color of clear raw plastic, black is an overpowering color so less color to plastic ratio and the white usually requires a higher ration to really punch through solidly so the added colorant will effect the end product weight, from someone who works in plastic injection molding

bro kept it real at the end respect

Dude LOVE your absolute honesty. For someone who has as many subscribers as you and can speak their mind freely like this.....HUGE respect. Liked!

One thing I'm sure is say you have the original viper ultimate and that breaks, but the charging dock works fine, you could find the viper without the charging dock for cheaper.

For someone who love razer products, but still gave review objectively. I respect u man, bought my viper ultimate last week for 70$-ish

frank another great review, really informative and entertaining

Pro is for competitive play. The sensor is 2 years a head according to boarzy with like 750 isp. It's easier to track with a lighter mouse.

i love how honest this review is, i just bought the viper ultimate last week and thank god i did. because it has much more features for less than what the v2 is and for me who doesn't care about the weight, i am happy with my purchase. i mean, if anyone wants the latest and greatest then go get it, but be mindful of the price difference and with what you get :D

I have a superlight, deathadder v3 pro and now the viper v2 pro. The viper is by far my most favorite mouse I've ever owned hands down.

I'm a dota player who started from Logitech G604, changed to G603. G502, MX Master 3, Razer Viper Ultimate, Logitech G Pro Wilress Superlight, Razer V2 Pro and finally Deathadder V3 Pro. Of all these, the one I have used the longest is the G502 because the shape is very comfortable in my hand. Yes, the G502 has a double click issue, but it can be solved by replacing the switch at a cost of 5 dollars. I still use the G502 today as a travel mouse. I still use the MX Master 3 as a work mouse. The Razer Viper ultimate lasted for 4 months with 3 replacements due to QC issues and defects until I finally sold it to my friend. Two thumbs up for Razer for the guarantee of unlimited new replacement throughout the warranty period, one thumbs down for the QC of Viper Ultimate. In terms of feel, weight, shape, and super convenient dock charging station, the Razer Viper Ultiamte provides a new sensation for me who started from heavy mice. If there were no issues with QC, maybe until now I would still be using the Razer Viper Ultimate. From RVU I briefly switched to the Logitech G Pro superlight which I thought was good, but too and the market was plain in terms of shape and size. I prefer the shape of the Viper Ultimate which gives a fiercer impression when used. Not long after that I bought a used Razer Viper V2 Pro and I found that for the same shape as the Viper ultimate, the RVV2Pro gave the impression of being too hollow and too light to use. The RVV2Pro lasted less than 2 weeks before I finally decided to buy the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro. And damn, this is the best gaming mouse I've ever used so far. Maybe it would be replaced if Logitech released the G502 Superlight with a maximum weight of 75 grams, but once again the feel, shape and form of the DAV3Pro really, really made an extraordinary impression on me who had it. playing PC games for more than decades with various mice that I have used. And the good news is that so far there have not been any issues related to QC or defects on the unit I use (Finger Crossed). Even if there is, I am still confident that Razer Indonesia is still committed to providing an unlimited 2 year warranty for replacement new units. The DAV3Pro is expensive, it doesn't have a charging station, it doesn't have many side buttons, but the shape and feel of this mouse can't be found in many other gaming mice out there. This is the first time I am writing a review of this length because I think this mouse deserves praise. Well done Razer, keep up making good products and satisfying us as gamers. But maybe next time would you please lower the price? Cheers!

I’m sticking with my viper ultimate :3

Sad that they took away that additional 2 buttons on the right side of the mouse (the 2 forward and back buttons meant for left handed users) those 2 buttons are so useful for me to cycle UP and DOWN the dpi on the fly instead of having to turn the mouse upside down and pressing the dpi button which CYCLES through your dpi This mouse is the perfect replacement for my old g402 and didnt wanna get the g502 because its a brick to use it for fps games

Yea I agree with the price not being worth it but it seems like people think because Logitech did it then it should be the new normal when it shouldn't, especially with how many smaller companies have started to make lightweight wireless mice now as well like fnatics bolt or pulsars xlites(wish it didn't have holes). Still awesome to see mice this light without holes but these prices are getting crazy.

This is Hilarious. Random Frank you did well on this review. I work designing High End Residential homes and the obvious choice here is to double up on my 2019 purchase to preserve my work flow and buy my old mouse again. Thanks for the review and the video.

its expensive but the "features" they are dropping from the original razer viper ultimate makes the new product exactly what I want

I've been waiting for this news for months! Finally they removed the rubber on the sides

I appreciate the honesty, great review

YOUR VIDEO QUALITY BEEN GOING SO HARD KEEP IT UP

Randomfrankp has been consistent with his takes, but it's sad to see that other reviewers shitting on this mouse are the same people who rated the Superlight to be one of the greatest of all time lmao. The only difference is that the RV2 stripped "features" which were arguably useless based on feedback. Imagine what people would say if Razer still had a micro USB lol. If this needs $70, we need to keep the same energy and say the Superlight needs to be $60 USD. This is not a Razer-only issue

pro - for pro play and pro performance, achieved with the extreme sensor and low weight

I’m so glad I pulled the trigger on the Viper Ultimate when I did. I saw this information in the leaks and thought that I was missing something when I saw less features in the replacement model. Also, the docking station is a game changer for me and I don’t want a new mouse unless it supports something similar.

Alot of people got it early. Finally ordered mine. Pulled my ultimate back out while waiting and forgot how much i loved the mouse. It was just a lil heavier then prefer after useing the superlight.

I was always curious on why exactly the V2 launched at $150 and this video pretty much validated what I expected. Thanks!

so it is bad when the RVU2 does it but not the g pro x superlight

great review! I appreciate you're honesty

This review just got me to sub. Very rare for a product review to feel legit nowa days

8:25 That's not fair, Razer is just following logitech on G-Pro superligh. Yes, It's nice to have a X version, but the sensor will be downgrade and the 58g weight excludes the AAA or AA battery. And I bet it will be a supersale product. And I AM agree that it should comes with the charging dock support, I'm not going to buy a new Razer mouse without it.

Thoughts as an original Viper Ultimate owner: Really not a fan of this. Own the current Viper Ultimate and love it. Every change they made takes away one of my favorite features from the viper ultimate. The wireless charging is remarkable and I never would've spent more than $90 on a mouse if it wasn't for the amazing wireless charging pad. The weight is already WAY more than light enough. I use all 4 of the custom side buttons as separate inputs in games and like how flush they are. The built in grips is one of the best features, I have had them fall of on other mice but they're still comfortable and as good as the day they were new on my Ultimate. Battery lasts forever and was meaningless on original because of dock. USB-C is pointless when the dock had detachable cable at the ready. The combination of the DPI and power button is just insult to injury, even if they had good intentions. This mouse should cost no more than $90. The sensor could be twice as good for all I care it's still a downgrade in every meaningful metric.

The viper ultimate got a stealth upgrade. they fixed the pins on the bottom of the mouse not engaging with the dock now, it uses flat contacts so no need to wiggle it anymore. also the newer refresh is made from different materials and has a different sensor.

on point Mr. Frankie, thanks for the review

great video but in my opinion this mouse is pro. engineering to get a

Completely agree with you on this. The dock for the Viper Ultimate was such crap I don't even use that mouse anymore. Taking away features shouldn't equal a higher price tag. Yeah it looks a lot better, but not at this price point. Keep up the great work dude!

white mice get a uv resistant varnish on the plastic so they don't turn yellow over time. That's why they weigh more than black plastic

Great review dude, love your honesty!

While I agree $150 is expensive, Logitech did the same thing with their G Pro lineup and their newer, lighter mouse with less features (G Pro X Superlight) sold out several times during different drops. I have played on both the older mouse (G Pro Wireless) and the Superlight, and I would definitely the 18g difference in weight improved my gameplay significantly (currently diamond 2 in Valorant). So while they might be alienating a lot of people, I think they did so on purpose to challenge the Superlight as the ultimate competitive (pro) mouse.

Im not agree with the price judgement because logitech does the same.... US$160 for the g pro x and is a mouse of maximum US$80. Same here with the razer. Now logitech doesnt have an actually US$80 mouse and now razer dropped the ultimate so is a nice deal.

Just bought a viper ultimate yesterday, thought I was missing out, after hearing you lose wireless charging, RGB thumb grips just for it to be lighter that I won’t be able to even tell, glad I pulled the trigger.

the reason why the white version is heavier is because there are microparticles in the paint that are supposed to prevent the white from turning yellow at some point due to the effects of light. therefore the 1g more.

I feel like since Logitech got away with it made Razer want to test the waters themselves with that kind of greed so I'm definitely gonna wait on a deep sale for this down the line. The G Pro X Superlight was trash too as an upgrade.

I love my ultimate even tho the charging dock is frustrating i dont think i will upgrade anytime soon

Really hope there is a version in the future with a charging dock but without the LEDs

I'm surprised they have not done a viper mini wireless considering that's one of there most sold mouse. And the new version would sell really well if they could keep the price some what under $100

I agree. For that price and with those missing features, this is a hard pass for me. I think it is time to buy a spare pair of the Viper Ultimate and the Deathadder Ultimate so that I can still have these with the charging dock in case Razer eliminates those from their product range.

At first I was like, dang I just got a Viper ultimate 5 months or so ago.. but after seeing the V2 I'm happy with the Ultimate. Not a fan of the missing features.

Love The Vid Just Would Like To See What your Razer Synapse Settings are Calibrated too for Tracking reasons

I use ambidextrous mice with 2 buttons per side because I actually use all of them ( yeah... With the ring finger and the pinky). I know that it sounds strange, but I'm so used to use even the left side of the mouse that it's definitely a deal breaker to not having 'em.

This is one of the mice of all time

the dock is literally what makes me NOT wanna switch my ultimate, its so convenient then having a loose cable laying around. wish this had that feature

I agree with you. The price tag does not correspond to the mouse that it comes with. I have the original viper, and frankly I bought mostly because of the dock that came with, but I stuck with it because I love using it for Destiny 2. I love the weight and the fact and the 20k DPI which I actually use since I got used to it when I had very very small desk but for most people is, understandably, way too much. 30k is going to be for 2-3 people in the corner only to brag that they use it with that range. The two less button I mean, for me is meh, since I use only the left buttons but I can see a point of being a feature less and the same goes for RGB.

the reason why the white version is a gram heavier is because of the total weight of the paint applied onto the mouse compared to the basic black material colour

But frank you recommended buying the Logitech G Pro Superlight, it was the same concept as this mouse and costed the same (And didn't even have usb-c) 🤔🤔

This looks really nice at a first glance, but I really dislike some of the changes they made. No dock, no extra side buttons, both are things i loved about the mouse. The dock made the mouse have its value and made it much more unique in the market but seeing as its not there anymore is a really big let down :( also im a right hand user, but i really loved using the other side buttons for things like play/pause, like its literally muscle memory now so i really just cant use mice that dont have at least one extra button alongside the main clicks and 2 sides. But hey thats just me, this thing still looks cool for the people its targetted for!

I got it for 118.00 new in August 2023 and my viper ultimate right click was starting to feel messed up so I dont feel too bad about the purchase.

Going to get it tmrw I can't wait I had the viper mini and it's my favourite mouse with the superlight but if it was wireless it would be my main mouse and the viper is my favourite mice shape so can't wait

I used a Viper Ultimate for a few years. It was great at first, but eventually the rubber started peeling off and the thing refused to work without being plugged in. And yeah the dock never worked. Razer shouldn't be charging 150$ for something you will definitely be replacing in 2 years.

If it's lighter then yes it's better. Features on mice for FPS should be shape weight and sensor. Anything else is just gimmicks.

Excellent review! Still using my viper ultimate.

I can see that the recommended feet are the deathadder v2 pro glass skates they look similar but I believe the feet are more symmetrical on the Viper v2. They are different sizes.

Greatest reviewer of all time

It's compraing directly to gprox superlight which costs the same at 63 grams with same compromises logitech made from gpro wireless to superlight.. and the whole industry went bonkers for it also considering it comes with USB C I'll take it over Logitech any day.

You were hard on razer today... I used previously the glorious D- and I loved it, except for the cable. I tried the wireless version but I had a doble clic issue, I returned. Next I tried the logitech superlight I didn't like the shape, and I hated the micro USB port...SO, WHICH WIRELESS MOUSE DO YOU RECOMMEND FOR SOMEONE WHO LOVED THE GLORIOUS D MINUS?

YASSSS. I've been waiting for an update. Still my favorite mouse so far.

Franky boy never disappoints. As soon as he said "those other content creators who will justify this price..." I went looking for couple of the usual ones. And boy oh boy was Frank right. They tried so hard defending this joke of a price that it's just pathetic and said. You barely can trust any reviewer out there, that's the reality

Frank. I think it’s pretty obvious your take on this release is to stir up a little bit of controversy for your channel. But The fact of the matter is that Razer has released a pro grade mouse completely tuned for FPS performance. A literal chess move to compete with the Logi GPX. They needed to make this mouse and price it $10 less than it’s Logi counterpart. You can’t compare an $80 Glorious or Bolt to a V2pro Those mice are full of issues. Razer V2 pro has a solid shell. No honeycomb. USB C (Logi still refuses to). Weighs 58 grams, 30k sensor and new optical switches. They checked so many boxes here. I may stick to my GPX and Starlight 12 but I am very hyped on this release for FPS players.

Not me watching a v2 review video while driving home with my v2 in the passenger seat thinking I bought the wrong $100 mouse