New Tarmogoyf, and It's So Bad | MTGGoldfish Podcast 483

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0:00 intro
4:09 Modern Horizons 3 leaked
5:12 Nethergoyf
13:59 Ugin’s Labyrinth
20:43 Flare of Denial
26:35 Winter Moon
32:10 Nulldrifter
37:30 Chthonian Nightmare
41:49 Wight of the Reliquary
49:15 Urza’s Cave
51:40 Phelia is a shepherd
53:50 #3,000,000 Black Lotus
58:30 Comic Sans Secret Lair
1:01:44 outro

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@TastySnackies Ай бұрын

If they say it’s bad, then it’s not. That’s the law of MTGGoldfish.

@NoUse4AName14k Ай бұрын

True

@monopoman Ай бұрын

They were adamant that no one would ever play the One Ring, since it cost 4 whole mana. This card likely is pretty good since it costs half the mana of goyf and in some late game scenarios you can bring it back. I also can imagine decks that want this effect going to goyf also so it's not like goyf or this it could be both.

@Xoulrath_ Ай бұрын

It's not good.

@storeblaa Ай бұрын

For real tho 😂 almost always take their takes as the opposite

@almogdov Ай бұрын

Unless Seth is wearing the hat, then it's the Outlaw of Mtggoldfish

@allpissedup229 Ай бұрын

Saving this for when Nethergoyf stomps the next Modern Pro Tour

@JJEMTT 3 күн бұрын

lol, it does literally nothing in Modern. You're already dead turn 3, if not then turn 4, and that's WITH disruption as a given and you're going to win by attacking into tokens? Okay...

@rockandrolljew89 Ай бұрын

Modern aside, Tomer is going to play Winter Moon and ruin Seth's life on Commander Clash. Richard may escape only because they banned his worst offenders for this season.

@Brainstorm_brews Ай бұрын

Would love an episode seeing how many times they underestimated a card during spoiler season or overestimated. Richards take on Newgoyph is ridiculous

@LunaLasceria Ай бұрын

They do this every year with their Year in Review episode, where they look back at their best and worst takes from the previous year.

@AutarchAlex Ай бұрын

Spoiler: Richard's takes are always ridiculous, watch any of the other guy's facial expressions during these videos.

@smegmalasagna Ай бұрын

I remember when Uro was spoiled that Crim said something like "But we already have Growth Spiral, do we have room for Uro?"

@LVL99Totodile Ай бұрын

Eh, true except Crims take on nethergoyf is even worse "if this checked both graveyards maybe it would be playable" is an insane sentence.

@egoalter1276 27 күн бұрын

4/5 onedrops without haste or evasion are unplayable now, appearently.

@commanderpower99 Ай бұрын

Guys, you labeled the LOTR set as a commander set and unplayable in Modern.

@vulcanh254 Ай бұрын

Richard is both right and wrong about goyf. It's probably unplayable in traditional jund decks. This new goyf you gotta build around it more but if you do, it's great. But the thing is, Tarmogoyf still has power if they exile your graveyard. Like if your opponent has delirium and your grave is gone, Goyf is still a 4/5. That's kind of important. New goyf is gonna be 0 power a lot when the grave hate comes in.

@graylord69 Ай бұрын

Richard doesn't seem to realize how much of a big deal costing ONE MANA is for the new Goyf. And he also grossly overestimates the deckbuilding cost of having to fill up your graveyard with different card types, especially in a black deck. Making this a 3/4 on turn 2 is really easy for any B/x deck worth its salt. Unlike OG Goyf, this will already be ATTACKING on turn 2, which is a huge deal in a fast format such as Modern. If it dies to a turn 1 Bolt, so what? One mana spell for one mana spell, 1-for-1, even trade. And yes, escaping it requires you to shrink your graveyard which seems to be counterintuitive, but you'll only be escaping this thing in the late game when there's probably WAY more cards in your graveyard (multiple fetchlands, useless cards cycled away with Fable, evoked elementals and so on), so paying the escape cost while keeping at least 3 cards of different types in your GY won't be that hard to do. Oh, and worth mentioning you don't need 4 cards of different types, you need *any number of cards with 4 different types*. So stuff like Urza's Saga or Haywire Mite counts for 2. That matters. Thinking this is unplayable because it dies to bolt and requires a little bit of smart deckbuilding is insane.

@casuallydone468 Ай бұрын

It doesnt even Fetch>Thoughtsieze into Tarmo turn 2 has always been junds play for 3/4, except with this importantly you get to hold up Bolt or Push for that additional boost to 3/4, because you leave an extra mana open here.

@michaellooks8397 Ай бұрын

DRC clears new goyf though. Easily. Maybe as DRC #5, but I don't see it past that

@casuallydone468 Ай бұрын

@@michaellooks8397 A nether goyf with delirium is a 5/6, it's a decent chunk of change bigger than a DRC and isnt forced to attack if you dont want it to. If nethergoyf was unconditionally a 1 mana 5/6 itd be probably the best creature in modern, thats a 4 turn clock for 1 mana. If DRC was that generically good in the types of decks that midrangy piles want to play itd be played, the issue is if i want that type of value semi-aggressive 1 drop slot i could just play Ignoble or Ragavan which are better in those types of decks. (Talking about Jund)

@51gunner Ай бұрын

"Dies to bolt" seems like a weird argument for a 1-drop. Any 1-drop at all dies to Fatal Push. If you're trading a single one-mana card for a single one-mana card that's parity to me.

@graylord69 Ай бұрын

@@51gunner Not to mention every relevant 1-drop in Modern history dies to Bolt. Ragavan, DRC, Nacatl, Esper Sentinel, DRS, Delver, Swiftspear (Prowess triggers aside), Goblin Guide, Asmo, Grazer, Zabaz, any mana dork, you name it. Sure, some of these creatures are value engines so their stats don't matter much, but even the ones that serve only as beatsticks never go past 3 toughness unless you jump through some considerable hoops (e.g. getting your life total below 10 for a Death's Shadow). Nethergoyf gets to >3 toughness easier and quicker than any of them.

@angreed66 Ай бұрын

Richard forgetting the most important part 1

@shuller4188 Ай бұрын

Blue creatures in modern... spirits? fairies? Guys, cmon, Merfolk is literally a strong tier2 deck right now that is going to love this effect

@augustobs24 21 күн бұрын

Yep, they are not thinking about how Tier 2 decks are getting a massive bump with these cards. Obviously sacrificing your Murktide to a Flare of Denial is stupid.

@natejablonski Ай бұрын

Flare of Denial doesn't work in Creativity. The only nontoken creatures they play are (usually non-blue) heavy hitters that they don't want to sacrifice.

@atk9989 Ай бұрын

It works In merfolk.

@natejablonski Ай бұрын

@atk9989 It could work, but is it better than Force of Negation? I think it's competing for those deck slots, and my gut tells me a card in hand is generally a lower cost than a creature already on the battlefield.

@se7enhitman Ай бұрын

Flare of denial seems good in merfolk.

@chriselliott5539 Ай бұрын

It has niche good decks but its definitely not a jam into anything. That's good design imo.

@Xoulrath_ Ай бұрын

I'll be testing it out in my 5C combo deck. There are Blue creatures that I can run in it to effectively get a "free" counterspell to protect the combo. It should work nicely. I also definitely see Merfolk being able to use this.

@TheSpunYarn Ай бұрын

Urzas Cave being seen as a turbo Commander Staple by the Clash Crew is proof they play a different game than many, many Commander players haha.

@zacharyenglish2904 Ай бұрын

I think every single person I’ve talked to about this card has said its going to be nuts in commander

@TheSpunYarn Ай бұрын

@@zacharyenglish2904 I'm sure it will be strong in the highest levels of Commander. Snag a Cradle. Glacial Chasm or Field of the Dead. But in the average Commander player's deck, it's a 4 mana Crop Rotation that gets like... Rogues Passage or a Triome.

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Ай бұрын

@@TheSpunYarn "highest levels" is not anywhere near where they play at. but I agree that card is super overblown outside at least high power or people who want to assemble tron in commander. if you're a temple player though maybe you'll want It for that at the 3-5 range?

@TheSpunYarn Ай бұрын

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 they certainly don't! Clash is just unhealthily obsessed with utility lands. I should have been more specific: cedh might get use of this to get Cradle in a way that's hard to interact with - even if Green sucks in cedh that may be worth something. In high power edh, it also has potential but isn't the bombshell many are claiming. We agree!

@austinturgoose Ай бұрын

I love Richard's personality and how interacts with the other hosts, but I swear I cannot understand how he evaluates cards for the life of me. I think Nethergoyf in the proper shell HAS to be good. I mean, even if it isn't as big as traditional Tarmogoyf, it is literally half the cost, and the cost of inclusion in the deck is so much lower.

@danielthetford4912 Ай бұрын

It's also in black, so evaluating it in the context of Jund is just so nonsensical to me.

@user-dg9qf7me8y Ай бұрын

"Maybe if you play a graveyard deck..." like yeah Richard that's generally the idea.

@hammernnaila7031 Ай бұрын

Nah Nethergoyf is genuinely just worthless.

@bppppppppppp Ай бұрын

i mean, richard isn't a reliable source for accurate card evaluation, never has been

@jimbojones2211 Ай бұрын

I think he, as the owner, tries to be contrarian on purpose to facilitate a debate. So the whole podcast isn't just them agreeing. Otherwise....

@drkatz1192 Ай бұрын

Something about Seth’s voice, inflections, and inquisitive nature that’s refreshing and enjoyable to listen to! Bring back the cowboy hat my friend! 🤠

@MakeVarahHappen Ай бұрын

I think Richard doesn't trust the Commander format to adapt. The whole reason we're in this ramp mess is because people realized that other forms of ramp were too easily hated on and Wizard printed a bunch of powerful GX value engines. If people keep losing because their 5c mana bases get hated on, they'll just place less 5c mana bases.

@radiantburrito Ай бұрын

They said it best in a previous video: commander players are too soft lol.

@commanderpower99 Ай бұрын

This "fog/ramp meta" is created by the lack of interaction and combo-hate the community has. When wincons are more diverse, you eliminate the fact that green is overpowered. This meta was created because the consensus goal in casual commander is to "do the thing" and basically goldfish your deck. Once people interact with each other, this is no longer true. How do you keep green from being overpowered? You play better wincons? How do you beat fast wincons? With interaction.

@casteanpreswyn7528 Ай бұрын

@@commanderpower99 yeah nah. While most players don't run enough interaction, when over half your deck needs to be interaction or you need to include mld to play every 2 turns, something is seriously wrong with the balancing. I run a lot of interaction and a very diverse set of wincons, but I could use all my interaction on the green player and it wouldn't slow them down in the least and mld only hurts the non-green players. When something like Opp Agent becomes mandatory just to slow down ramp(cause it doesn't even fully stop ramp) there is a problem.

@broodwarjc1517 Ай бұрын

@@casteanpreswyn7528 The problem of rule zero being the ruling law of the format...

@Rikka_Igana Ай бұрын

Wight of the reliquary works well with lands like khalani garden or lands that can make a spare body and searches silver bullet lands or utility lands like bajuka bog or vesuva. Or with something like bitter blossom or cheap creatures with death triggers.

@redshirtnumber3494 Ай бұрын

Richard is WILD for thinking Necrogoyf is bad. in my golgari , midrange deck boost of the typing is in my graveyard, we got witherbloom, baubles, thoughtseize, urza saga, removal, its really not hard to fill the graveyard. And I think they are on the idea of one goyf a turn but you can double cast necrogoyf so easily and put a ton of pressure down.

@Sup4ast4r Ай бұрын

Jund needs to adapt. This will grow when you add bauble, Wrenn & fable.

@like17badgers Ай бұрын

I think people are vastly underestimating how strong a 1 drop goyf is even if it only counts your grave, most games it's gonna be at *least* a 1 mana 2/3 by turn 2 for the decks that should be running it. and sure that's in Bolt Range, but it has Escape, it WANTS to trade with their removal!

@mightythor-9286 Ай бұрын

100% necrogoyf is hotdog water.

@darkwhiz223 Ай бұрын

Problem is card like sanctify en vec, Dauthi Void, leyline of the Void and Endurance, all of these popular card hoses the card. As it only affect your grave

@darkwhiz223 Ай бұрын

Tarmogoryfl include opponent graveyard, which is better

@IzzetTempo Ай бұрын

For Ugin's Labrynth, prototype seems the best fit. There's also Emerge, but none of those cards look all that playable. Scion of Draco might be good with it though, and there might be some janky builds with Bosh Iron Golem (DO IT SETH YOU WONT)

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Ай бұрын

bosh in modern? I'd cream myself

@csimons Ай бұрын

For Flare of Denial: I don't know yet if Flare will see play in the Goryo's Vengeance deck, or if deck's will alter to fit it better, but Fallaji Archaeologist sees Modern play currently, which is basically the blue stitcher's supplier Richard says it needs at 25:45. Pair that with Snapcaster maybe and that's a potentially fine core of creature to play with it. Perhaps with the Outlaws Satoru, which has synergies with the ephemerate playstyle usually paired with the Archaeologist.

@LunaLasceria Ай бұрын

Yeah Fallaji Archaeologist, Augur of Bolas, and Watcher for Tomorrow seem like the most obvious creatures you can just drop for value on turn 2 and then sac to Flare of Denial whenever you need to.

@RedPandaStan Ай бұрын

yeah my problem is just is a sometimes free counterspell better than counterspell? or force of negation? like i feel like its something ppl would try for a hot sec then forget abt it tbh.

@csimons Ай бұрын

@@RedPandaStan I don't think it replaces counterspell in the decks running counterspell. But in the deck running Archaeologist and counterspell, it presents a really nice opportunity for them to tap out of counterspell to play archaeologist, milling and progressing the gameplan while still holding up interaction.

@Hapkins-le6xf Ай бұрын

Existing mono g tron doesn't have a lot of room for ugin's labyrinth. Colorless tron does though. Tron lands take up 12 land slots. In a colored tron deck that makes colored slots a premium. I'm thinking about a blue eldrazi deck. 4 ugins, 4 eldrazi temple, 12 blue sources with a couple utility lands. Blue tron struggles with any card that needs more then one blue pip, but with 12 blue sources that could be better.

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Ай бұрын

Leyline 5c tron with only urza lands? or like that navigators bauble that turns your land into the chosen basic when you tap it for some kind of tron affinity? I don't play modern.

@Death_by_Tech Ай бұрын

Bro new goyf is good

@natejablonski Ай бұрын

I don't mind Comic Sans, but the weird capitalization fries my brain.

@opendo2 Ай бұрын

Also the lesson learn mechanic leads to mascot exhibition for the new sol land

@RollTheBonez Ай бұрын

Concerning Nethergoyf, how could they not mention Grief? Fetch, Bauble, Grief, and it's literally a 3/4. Turn two gets even bigger. Not every opener will be like that, but it deserves a test if nothing else. Richard just speaks in absolutes too often.

@Xoulrath_ Ай бұрын

Or you could just Not Dead a Grief, take two cards from your opponent's hand, and have a 4/3 Menace on board instead.

@51gunner Ай бұрын

@@Xoulrath_ Possible to build both lines into the deck, I think. The Goyf could always be the exiled card if it shows up early, or if your Grief is removed you've got land and instant and creature in bin and your Goyf is a 3/4 that stands to get even bigger from a Thoughtseize or Bauble if you want either. I doubt anyone's just binning Planeswalkers, Battles, or Tribal cards just to grow the Goyf, but a likely 3/4 that could go as high as a 5/6 without much work? For 1? I feel like that's beefy enough to see some play.

@Xoulrath_ Ай бұрын

@@51gunner Maybe. I don't think that it's a bad card. I just don't think that it's this broken card that will be the Savior of OG Jund. Nor do I expect it to be the star of its own archetype like Delver used to be.

@nightelfuser 29 күн бұрын

Turn 1 Fetchland/Mishra's Baubble/Street Wraith to make Nethergoyf a 3/4 without losing card advantage, and survives Lightning Bolt no matter what. Not to mention you can followup with Thoughtseize and Lightning Bolt on T2, or a Grisly Salvage, to make it a 5/6 and attack with it. You can easily make a deck around this and Tarmogoyf/Bloodghast/Vengevine in Jund colors.

@baconsir1159 18 күн бұрын

For Ugin's Labyrinth, how many 7+ CMC colorless cards are you running? Might be worth in Affinity (especially with the new Myr Enforcer), but in Tron it seems bad.

@fredt1983 Ай бұрын

It feels like it's been years since Richard was so worked up in a game, video, or podcast. Thank you Tarmogoyf!

@henrye3935 Ай бұрын

If the Red free spell deals damage to a player, then I think it'll be really playable. In Burn, once your small creatures become useless later in the game, they could be sac'ed to get over the finish line.

@zackbonno3675 Ай бұрын

I'll gladly toss a goblin guide to deal 3+ damage for free. That shit could win games and as a burn player, I hope that's what it is

@Metroid23456 Ай бұрын

Wight of the Reliquary will probably see play in legacy, in Fiend Artisan Elves decks. The deck now has a creature tutor to get anything you need and land tutor to find anything you need.

@richmondlau5945 Ай бұрын

how hard is it to build around winter moon? tomer all basics decks

@AulaGeschrabbel Ай бұрын

How about omen hawker and the tap/untap combo with Agatha's soul cauldron as a deck that could definitely use the flare of denial?

@Phoenix512100 29 күн бұрын

I can't wait for double Moon. Winter Moon followed up by Blood Moon. Not only you can untap 1 nonbasic land but every nonbasic is a Mountain as well. Good luck getting through that.

@jeffrhall9219 Ай бұрын

RE: Ugin's Labyrinth - If you return the exiled card to hand does Ugin's Labyrinth 'return' to producing a single mana? The card reads, "if a card is exiled with" and the card is no longer exiled then it would only produce a single mana, correct? Thanks and please be kind if I'm incorrect.

@twistie404 Ай бұрын

That's correct

@leonfriedemann9151 Ай бұрын

I think winter moon is good for commander. There needs to be a downside for playing 5 colours. 👀 for modern i have no idea and don't really see why its there....

@alexkulis7295 Ай бұрын

I wonder if the combination of Nulldrifter with the back half of Kozilek's Return will be usable in Modern.

@TMidander 11 күн бұрын

Fun fact regarding the Wight of the Reliquary discussion; Phyrexian Tower has been revealed as being in MH3 :D

@kennylong8580 Ай бұрын

I had to restrain myself several times during this video and need to remember that modern isn’t MTG goldfish’s focus

@TheSpunYarn Ай бұрын

woah, Ugin's Sanctum is so cool. I can put my Platinum Angel under it to protect it from wheels and exile effects till I can cast it!

@WatchListConnoisseur Ай бұрын

Ugin's Sanctum + Platinum Angel + Temple of the False God = Meta!

@xxthevampirate Ай бұрын

Does 30 lands seem too little? I’m usually playing around 37 mana sources but I play 4-5 0 cost mana sources and 4-5 1 or 2 cost mana rocks. We proxy and play modo so price isn’t a big issue. When we play low power we house rule turns 1-3 as 1min or less and try to play on your turn and no rocks

@callummunro5650 Ай бұрын

That’ll only work well if you have a very low average cmc for your deck, or a lot of cantrips/filtering. A more regular deck will want around 50 sources/ramp at cmc 2 or less. An easy check is to goldfish your opening hands. If you have to mulligan more than about 1 in 3 because of mana sources you need to add more.

@dullestpenguin4151 Ай бұрын

You're so right that fair cards don't drive sales. They can't be too careful without these sets being seen as a flop.

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Ай бұрын

is there enough urza lands to run a urza land only modern deck now?

@michaellooks8397 Ай бұрын

Seth desperately trying to bat for Necrogoyf when it's a worse DRC is the funniest thing this week

@thatonedudejake Ай бұрын

I thought corgis were bred to herd cows because they are short enough to dodge the cow kicks

@burningpapersun1 Ай бұрын

Corgis are breed of dog to Shepard around cows. They are so low to the ground to avoid getting kicked by a cow or horse.

@kylejohnson4662 Ай бұрын

Wight sacrificing your Marit Lage when it’s being targeted for removal to get another Dark Depths? Or a Legacy Field of the Dead deck to make zombies to sac for more fields?

@babatazyah Ай бұрын

These guys really can't imagine actually playing enough basics to break the symmetry of Winter Moon lol

@alexanderfisher7261 29 күн бұрын

Delirium makes nethergoyf a one drop 4/5 that can be escaped for 3 mana. The escape exile can be paid simply with urza's saga into bauble plus any other card type (usually instant or sorcery). Also, it can survive bolt on one with bauble and street wraith or a pitch spell like grief. Also, if it dies to bolt or push you are still ahead because of escape.

@andrewjackson6933 Ай бұрын

I think it's important to note that Ugin's Labyrinth only taps for 2 when a card is exiled by it so once you return the card it's just a generic tap for 1

@radiantburrito Ай бұрын

I love the Comic Sans SL and stand by the fact that if they just released the art as a normal drop nobody would have even paid it any attention.

@SmashPortal 29 күн бұрын

There were some leaks that they didn't share, but I suspect at least one of them was because it was the Professor's preview card.

@takingchances7239 Ай бұрын

Ugin’s lab can imprint scion. Kind of the nuts but if you have leyline, 2 scions and lab in hand then you can turn 1 a scion.

@dashkataey1740 Ай бұрын

Nethergoyf could be the card that dredge decks desperately need since Hogaak left. A one-mana potential beater is exactly what the deck needed and it fits the deck perfectly with its escape. Wight of the Reliquary can get Cabal Coffers and/or Urborg.

@EDZ1LLA 29 күн бұрын

Think corgis are a hunting dog used to go into burrows while hunting. So you could argue herding in that they chase animals in a direction different to them.

@Hyenadont Ай бұрын

Oh oh!!! Idea for legacy! Sac outlet, chthonian nightmare and veteran explorer: sac vet, search 2 land, play nightmare, reanimate vet, repeat until all lands in deck on battlefield and huge amount of energy

@coffeedudeable 25 күн бұрын

Love crim getting hyped for frogmite not knowing we are getting an even better one in this set as well

@hocuspotus9755 Ай бұрын

Hold up, narcomoeba prized amalgum to sac to flare of denial…not sure how worth that is for a dredge deck but maybe to prevent sideboard answers from sticking

@KebbieG Ай бұрын

Talking about Flare of Denial and no one is mentioning Merfolk. LOL The biggest blue tempo deck in Modern.

@AutarchAlex Ай бұрын

Mono blue tron with Ugin's labyrinth, Nulldrifter, and Kappa cannoneer sounds really spicy.

@jacobbrj Ай бұрын

What about that nightmare card with burning tree emissary?Or priest of gix

@ANZalliance Ай бұрын

Flare of denial seems really good in dredge (;

@morgoth2425 18 күн бұрын

wight of the reliquary gets cabal coffers or urborg or bojuka bog

@gutom3ow Ай бұрын

I'm loving the meldown from ppl in the comments Can't wait for the goyf so we can meme on who was wrong about it

@arghanothername Ай бұрын

Corgis are primarily cattle herders, but that counts

@Ktjnn Ай бұрын

They said Wizards spoiled all the stuff that was leaked, but that isn't true at all.

@andrewtaylor5883 Ай бұрын

If affinity makes a turn again in popularity I say that Slag Fiend will be a good [1CMC] card. Usually a 4/4. Thoughts?

@Knifez123 Күн бұрын

STREET wraith, fetchland, bauble. Nethergoyf does not die to lightning bolt Richard :)

@dophop 29 күн бұрын

I’m with Crim on the goofy font secret lair. I’m a new player so I don’t have much to compare it to, but this particular release speaks to me.

@SmashPortal 28 күн бұрын

My biggest issue with the comic sans Secret Lair is that the artists weren't told about it.

@christopheryencer724 Ай бұрын

In commander ugins labryth is going to be nuts in a colorless deck you can imprint an all is dust for a later turn and get it back to one side wipe the board

@williamprudhomme91 Ай бұрын

Ugin's Labyrith is pretty cool with Chromatic Orrery, All is Dust, Karn Liberated, Not of this world

@LibertyMonk Ай бұрын

For once, on the lazy reference card names, I'm with Richard on something. If it was Phyrexians, I could find an excuse for it, but Eldrazi don't work like that, so it's just a placeholder name that nobody bothered to get a real name for. MH isn't an Un-set.

@_Ve_98 Ай бұрын

The issue with Ugin's Labyrinth is that it's card disadvantage, and while you can get that card back, a well timed land destruction effect is a 2 for 1. Plus, you actually need to have the card to imprint it when you play it. If everything goes right it's incredibly broken, but the many moving pieces and points of interaction make it unreliable. If it gets banned, it will be because of a specific combo that manages to break it, not because it's too good in general.

@JoshuaPantalleresco 29 күн бұрын

Pithing Needle will be the answer to it. It shuts down the card under it at least. But I agree with them. The card is a problem.

@theprotogamer5253 Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure if you turn a Hideaway land into Ugin's Labyrinth you can grab that card. Not sure how good that is but still

@michaelnovak3417 Ай бұрын

Okay, maybe not nethergoyf. But could jund play the new sol land, and maybe a playset of distended mindbenders?

@ericlizama8552 Ай бұрын

I'd say Boulderbranch Golem is the best Prototype for Ugin's Labyrinth in MonoGreen Tron.

@fishor6527 Ай бұрын

Ive been desperate for a card like winter moon for historic brawl this is great :D

@Steeks Ай бұрын

What yall are forgetting is that wotc is gonna dump some tripple card type tribal artifact enchantment that costs like 1 mana and sacs itself to power up the goyffs!

@elijahwalker323 Ай бұрын

Winter moon pushes the necessity of fetch lands therefore pushing the set 28:10

@moshladaan Ай бұрын

My first thought with Ugin's Labyrinth is, how many cards of one color do I need in my deck to utilize my evoke elemental's evoke cost? Now picture requiring THAT many 7+ mana colorless cards in your deck! It feels too costly to build around. I think the ever-popular Boseiju will have something to say about Ugin's Lab.

@moshladaan Ай бұрын

With the Flare spells, don't discount potentially using evoke creatures. POSSIBLY evoke elementals, but that really depends on the board state. PS - Chthonian Nightmare + 2x Priest of Gix = Infinite B mana!

@RafaelSimonelli Ай бұрын

Hot Takes: - Ugin's Land is intentionally broken and will e banned 2 years after, just like Fury - The new free spell cycle is unplayable, except for the red one - Winter moon will see sideboard play - Nethergoyf will not see play

@SilverAlex92 Ай бұрын

I think colorless tron will get a huge boost between ugin labyrimth and the other land that counts as urza's while one play and can be sacced to fetch an urza land.

@Shimatzu95 Ай бұрын

The alltype land is a commander card so modern at least is save from it

@AutumnReel4444 Ай бұрын

New goyf costs HALF as much as tarmogoyf and will see play and be good.

@mattya37 Ай бұрын

Cthonian Nightmare is significantly worse than Recurring Nightmare because when it enters the battlefield your opponent can remove it in response to the trigger that gives you the energy before you can activate it

@camerongrey3643 Ай бұрын

Some wild takes this podcast. The new goyf needs experimentation before we will know if it’s good - Jund is hardly the only place it could live. Scam loads up the graveyard pretty quickly and then beats down with a 3 power creature, and this pitches to Grief. Ugin’s Labyrinth is really narrow. A land for tron that doesn’t tron? Is affinity even a tier 2 deck? The blue flare seems pretty narrow, I don’t know how many blue creatures you’re looking to sac. Green, though, has stuff like arboreal grazer … turn one have 3 lands in play for 1 mana AND you negated the downside of the grazer sort of costing you a card? Seems good. Winter moon I have no idea. It seems like it would be side board for mono blue and mono red in constructed. As far as commander, I welcome more non basic land hate and payoffs for having restricted colors.

@user-gj4ml7su3n Ай бұрын

Totally agree on the grazer + green flare.

@graylord69 Ай бұрын

Another thing about Nethergoyf in Scam: unlike the 2-mana green Goyf, this one goes SUPER well with Dauthi Voidwalker and Leyline of the Void. Lots of people saying this goyf's weak to graveyard hate (as if the old one wasn't), but not that many seem to realize it allows you to pack your own graveyard hate and not mess with its stats one bit.

@samogburn2662 Ай бұрын

The best use for nethergoyf right now is pitching it to grief

@ryantice1186 Ай бұрын

For pronunciation, as a 40k fan, it is Kuh-Tho-ni-en

@ConManAU Ай бұрын

The one card that’s in the current Modern that could pitch to Ugin’s Labyrinth is Draco, but it’s in a deck that probably doesn’t want to play it.

@wdeborde Ай бұрын

"Run enough specific card to turn this on?" They literally printed this IN the set. Nulldrifter.

@thesamuraiman Ай бұрын

So now that Kindred exists, and assuming it is a functional reprint of Tribal, doesn't that just mean there's more card types now? Like, 10. Artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, land, planeswalker, sorcery, and tribal. Now battle? And kindred?

@k9commander Ай бұрын

It's an erata not a functional reprint.

@thesamuraiman 22 күн бұрын

@@k9commanderYeah, I looked it up, and apparently they announced that last November. I completely missed that. And I'm surprised no one has talked about it.

@user-gj4ml7su3n Ай бұрын

I'm with Richard on the Wight of the Reliquary hate train.

@fredmyers503 Ай бұрын

Wasn't the previous record the Post Malone 1/1 One Ring for 2.5 Mil?

@andrewpayseur Ай бұрын

::Not a Modern player:: Do you run Subtlety to use the Flare of Denial? Is that something that might need to happen?

@richardalan5064 Ай бұрын

Thumbnail looks like a promotion for a small town post hardcore band coming through to play the local VA hall

@djkatsuo 27 күн бұрын

Crim is always the voice of reason. 😂

@chrislaws733 29 күн бұрын

I like Nulldrifter with Torpor Orb. Shutdown opponents etb get your draw on cast and a 4/4 flying annihilate 1 for 3.

@jamespatterson5644 Ай бұрын

coffers, urborg, surveil land, lotus vale w. stifle

@imaginarymatter Ай бұрын

Flare of Denial in Dredge? Probably not but it does have plenty of expendable blue creatures.

@Kryptnyt Ай бұрын

If Tarmogoyf is only good because it checks all graveyards, then surely it must be even better in Commander for checking two more graveyards!

@belle6631 Ай бұрын

Modern vanilla 1 drop to see play: 3/3 with no hoops to jump through

@gemyniraptor8626 Ай бұрын

yo the comic sans SL is HILARIOUS. i hope the secret card in teh pack is a picture of Mocking Spongebob on something like counterspell

@jackl8025 Ай бұрын

SpongeBob secret lair when

@michaelcollins4534 Ай бұрын

Magic still needs more corgis. But phelia is the perfect start Also there are plenty of videos on KZfaq where you can watch corgis herding sheep and cattle