MTG Arenas Rigged Matchmaking Exposed + Huge Mistake With Modern Horizons 3

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@TheMagicHistorian Ай бұрын

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@princepersona Ай бұрын

They should at least have a trade in program for the double sided error cards.

@ryanedwards7487 Ай бұрын

Arena is basically “Who’s Line is it Anyway?” …that explains a TON.

@christopherarmstrong2476 Ай бұрын

I've known about the rigged matchmaking for years.... even posted some bipolar rants in the Report a Bug section.... and all the emails I've gotten back were "nothings wrong with our game... sorry"

@cathonghost Ай бұрын

Nothing is wrong its intentional to them

@NateBullock-ow6on Ай бұрын

me too for a long time

@greenfoxx1820 Ай бұрын

Matchmakeing in Arena: "Ya play something fun and weird" >> here's lotsa prowess red haste decks ya can fight against. You had enough and go play a deck that countes that shit "Here ya go 7 land draws in a row! Or Stuck at 2 Mana for the same amount!". xD

@OdinMagnus Ай бұрын

It's not "rigged." Rigged implies that they know the winner. And every single matchmaking is done with some form of variables. If they didn't have this system, there wouldn't even be Arena anymore since no new players can get into the game. Imagine starting out. You have you little precons that win in 7 to 10 turns and all they see are Mono-red, red- white convoke, and control. They will play for about a day before uninstalling. The game would have died. For the same reason they "fixed" the opening draws to pretty much guarantee you get 2 lands minimum.

@christopherarmstrong2476 Ай бұрын

I'm looking to file a lawsuit against Daybreak games.... the same shit is going on in MtGO.... I've dumped over $300 into drafting over the past weekend and only won 1 trophy and about 2-4 seconds place wins..... meanwhile alot of people have 40+ undefeated trophies. You really want to sit there and tell me bennylava1 only spent $12 for 1 draft and somehow has 99+ undefeated trophies....... and it's not rigged

@Lelines0 Ай бұрын

It's kind of hilarious that they accidently turned magic into gwent.

@Gaming_Antics Ай бұрын

Seen GoCovertBlue play a 100 cards deck with 2 creatures, 8 spells and 90 lands, and he was rolling over people. That’s how rigged Arena is.

@madjoe8622 Ай бұрын

mtg influencers seem to have insane "luck" on arena. No wonder I stopped long ago.

@NateBullock-ow6on Ай бұрын

Hell I've always said that you're exactly right 💯

@gameschooldadMTG Ай бұрын

@@madjoe8622 that's the power of editing for you.

@HunterStiles651 28 күн бұрын

@@gameschooldadMTG It's not editing. MTGA uses a system created by Activision in 2018 called "Engagement-Optimized Matchmaking". When people say things like "the shuffler mana flooded me to make me lose", what they're experiencing is EOMM. It's a widely known fact that streamers get heavily favored by EOMM because seeing the streamer pop off makes people want to play the game.

@gameschooldadMTG 28 күн бұрын

@@HunterStiles651 you should watch them streaming live if you don't think it's all editing.

@StrangeSignal Ай бұрын

The Orcish Bowmasters note is OBSCENE.

@Kagebushin01 Ай бұрын

With Ubisoft CEO declaring he doest feel players should be allowed to own their games and has pushed for digital only with rental fees I prefer to have a physical disk even if I have to buy from GameStop

@lostalone9320 Ай бұрын

Sadly a physical disk doesn't mean you own it. With all software for all of time, you have only ever had a licence, which comes with strict terms. Historically it felt like you owned the game, because enforcement was impossible, but today owning a disk is just owning a piece of merch.

@williamdrum9899 Ай бұрын

If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't theft 🏴‍☠️

@bsheffield87 Ай бұрын

@williamdrum9899 this is what I like to hear. Yo ho ho

@arsia. Ай бұрын

Yeah, terrible take about physical games from him. Sadly it's true that the scummy publishers start to lock you out aswell, with always online and stuff...

@williamdrum9899 Ай бұрын

I'm kidding, modern games suck so much I don't even pirate them

@sdoren_9074 Ай бұрын

Gamestop doing the Pokemon/MTG purchasing is gonna be like mega-christmas for counterfeiters.

@NateBullock-ow6on Ай бұрын

😂😂😂💯💯🤦

@JakesFavorites Ай бұрын

They could finally sell that graded Mystery Booster Amulet of Vigor that was falsely labeled as Worldwake.

@dm1004 Ай бұрын

Why is this surprising? William Jensen told us this years ago with 13 mountain mono red

@alexd9134 Ай бұрын

My problem with match rigging comes from getting queued into niche hard counters for my deck (which I never come accross otherwise), now that's bad and a huge problem. Someone said playing against 200 card piles when Jace is their wincon and I agree in my experience this happens... a lot. And this is just the most egregious, obvious example because everyone knows normally you can go weeks without playing against a 200 card deck. Just let us play against random decks ffs. I'm new to the game, started playing magic in november and I'm already super jaded. Btw this is speculation but when I keep a hand full of creature removal there seems to be a very high chance the first card my opponent reveals is a deserted beach or seachrome coast

@Filipod81 Ай бұрын

I built a deck that proves that the shuffler is also rigged. I put together a 60 card deck with juggle the performance and 59 lands split mountains and swamps. You will never get juggle the performance in your opening hand. I’ve played easily over 100 matches discarding down to zero cards, and it’s never shown up. so I took out one of the mountains and threw in an island and the island shows up on average once to twice a game, and juggles still hasn’t shown up. Try it for yourselves, it’s BS.

@atk9989 Ай бұрын

People have a goldfish memory, it was already proven and admitted that the shuffler is rigged early into arena when red decks would run 7 lands and get 3-4 lands early game and just blitz people, Wizards then admitted that there was a "hand smoothing" program to "prevent" non games and that they would have to tune it down. People keep acting like its impossible to do when its been admitted to existing.

@MaleusMaleficarum Ай бұрын

@@atk9989 I got into a "fun" reddit argument with someone claiming they never denied "hand smoothing"

@Carriantor Ай бұрын

Was it Best of 1 or Best of 3? Makes a difference - the hand smoother operates in Bo1 and does not in Bo3.

@koalemos1679 Ай бұрын

Anyone with eyes can tell the shuffler hacks lol. It's obvious.

@MaleusMaleficarum Ай бұрын

@@Carriantor *eye roll* Yeah. I get it. I had 20 people tell me that today.

@Duskrequim Ай бұрын

THIS MAKES SO MUCH SINCE IN ARENA. I would play while at work, 8 -10 hours everyday. I got thousands of games in, and I could NEVER FIGURE OUT the reason for pairing and why certain decks always seemed to be put against the same decks ALL THE TIME. Now I understand. Because I do not play the "Top Tier Cards" The wt system was still pushing my decks to be considered Higher tier even though they were total jank and garbage decks.

@Duskrequim Ай бұрын

It also explains why I was always being paired against the 200+ decks every 5 games. Because my decks points topped out as high as there decks. I have always hated the way Arena did the pairs and how they always seemed to NOT BE RANDOM FOR DRAWS and that the system forced you to loose at times. Ive basically stopped playing Arena... Its just not fun anymore.

@laurentrobitaille2204 Ай бұрын

What kind of job lets you play video games nearly all the time at work?

@andysimpson4327 Ай бұрын

He says he would, not that he does. I don't think that's a sustainable deal no matter what job you have

@tannhausergate7162 Ай бұрын

@@laurentrobitaille2204 Security guard is a popular choice for that sort of stuff. Lots of people also read or write books on the job, which is how I got to know about it. There are published authors who wrote their first novels while working as guards, because of how convenient that is.

@Duskrequim Ай бұрын

@laurentrobitaille2204 customer service. When you are on calls or between calls, there's nothing else to do

@dinobonoid3348 Ай бұрын

Quality control of this level is unacceptable, and so laughable. I'm fairly certain there are probably more issues that haven't even been discovered with mh3 at this rate. It's like ordering a premium extra supreme pizza and they say, "oopsie, we forgot the cheese! Can't take it back so... Here you can fill it in with free parmesan packets."

@OmegaGrunt Ай бұрын

Seriously, how the most expensive TCG on the market has the worst quality out of any of them blows my mind.

@pe-ka1844 Ай бұрын

I'd love to see the citation where wizards admitted to the mdfc mistake. just so I can have the exact wording used

@yurisei6732 Ай бұрын

I'd bet money that this is a beauracratic issue. It'll be multiple different people going "not my problem", figuring someone else would catch it, and ignoring it. That's what low morale does to a company.

@christopherszynkowski2524 Ай бұрын

Well... it wasn't that gamestop was failing, it was that it looked vulnerable and a bunch of investors started pulling a move where they would pump and dump the stock, which would have killed it regardless of actual profititability. This was noticed by a number of amature investors, who took it to reddit and they started investing in it, which prevented the actual stock tanking, made a lot of money for the small investors and caused the big investors to lose out... which also kept Gamestop from dying at that moment.

@KyleTremblayTitularKtrey Ай бұрын

Never short more than 100% of a stock. You expose yourself to infinite stock price and liquidation if anyone feels like fucking you.

@tcsmagicbox Ай бұрын

Big hedge funds were doing a short on it's stock. When retail investors moved in and made the stock price soar, the hedge funds got burned.

@williamdrum9899 Ай бұрын

And then robin hood tried to intervene to protect said hedge funds. Which was a dbag move for sure

@jaxonsevero1045 Ай бұрын

Arenas shuffler is such bullshit. I run one two colour land in one of my decks and I somehow manage to draw it every game while my elesh norn only shows once every three games and I run four copies

@madjoe8622 Ай бұрын

If you put one land in you deck. It will always be in your starting hand. Yep, it's rigged big time.

@deanofcool Ай бұрын

Been complaining about this for ages, and the argument that comes back is “variance”. I run two copies of demo field in a mono colour deck ang et both copies of it in my opening hand as my two lands (making it unplayable) a ridiculous amount of times. Same with coin flip too

@JakesFavorites Ай бұрын

Oh yeah! Control decks were so difficult to run back in the day because you'd run four Wraths and get none of them against a red deck.

@3playerpolitics Ай бұрын

The super high pointscore for Zenith Flare makes sense if cycling lands are scored superlow or zero - Treasure Flare deck was medium powerful despite being almost all lands (and often only one copy of Flare!), so maybe it was an attempt to make sure Treasure Hunt / Flare wasn't constantly stomping noob decks

@joystickgenie Ай бұрын

Yeah exactly what I was thinking. The rest of that deck would have card ratings in the ground due to them being almost unplayable in most decks. Zenith Flare is the only card in the deck that allows it to win so the weighting on that card is essiantally whe weighting of the deck when put together.

@tcsmagicbox Ай бұрын

That made sense when it was a powerful card back in Standard. But it seems like no one has updated it since.

@user-go4pc8ix2v Ай бұрын

I give you the following 2 "discoveries" in MTGA: 1. time rigged wins (you are allowed to win a game every 20 minutes) 2. As the system is programmed by "geniuses with extensive experience in MTG" regardless of your hand or your opponent, you will draw only lands or blocked in 3 lands until you free yourself from your winning restriction. +3: In a monocolor deck, add a different color land => "That land is in your starting hand almost always 99%" if you are under your win limit restriction.

@renzuki5830 Ай бұрын

Its so funny how this feeds into people's delusions.

@abouc Ай бұрын

I'd be happy enough if Arena's algorithm stopped matching me up with Alchemy decks when it sees my deck has no Alchemy cards. Getting waffle stomped by that 6 mana Alchemy Rakdos commander who steals a card every turn is getting really old.

@Swellington_ Ай бұрын

sure is,Ive gotten where I just concede when the first 3 turns they already done the heist thing on me twice ,its too strong for real

@loksapp Ай бұрын

I try to beat those Grenko decks and consider it as my handicap match against them lol. The problem I hate about those Grenko decks, it feels like every single time I play against them they have the same 3 to 4 cards starting hand. 90% of the time facing that deck they have Duress or Inquisitor that looks at your hand and discard, and then they have reanimate which gives your strongest creature...

@wafflebroz Ай бұрын

Waffle Stomped? What did I do?

@loksapp Ай бұрын

@@Swellington_ Also, is it just me, or any time I get matched against Grenzo deck, they always go first, wth, as if it's not op enough already....

@AlexRedStar Ай бұрын

Gamestop: for that obvious $500 card? We offer you $5 but only in store credit. Gamestop puting the card on display: $900+tax.

@nikolaskohl4269 Ай бұрын

Man, remember when misprints were so rare that they were collectible? The fact that they are like, yeah we screwed up double sided cards and you can just google the back side, that's actually one of the laziest things I've ever heard.

@jasonclarkson3246 Ай бұрын

Whenever I play standard mill and ONLY when I play standard mill, I go up against players with 200+ libraries.

@gyorgyor7765 Ай бұрын

Good

@raiseer Ай бұрын

If I was in charge, I would pair mill decks with Seven Lives decks every single time.

@bounceday Ай бұрын

archetype matchmaking is pretty heavy rigging

@LazyJ45 Ай бұрын

Very well

@thelordsephiroth777 Ай бұрын

First two commenters are the kinda douchebags who would've made this rigging in the first place

@hailstrum Ай бұрын

How about Wizards create a play queue designed with no weighting or MMR. Actually completely random matches and see if people have a better experience?

@madjoe8622 Ай бұрын

And with random shuffling.

@lostalone9320 Ай бұрын

Once upon a time MODO (as it was known) used ELO, literally the same as Chess. That isn't perfect, and means that pros aren't able to ever really play for fun, but the principle was purely on your record and your skill, end of story.

@xerokitsune Ай бұрын

The point system sounds like it's designed to put older cards into the hell que. This makes sense from a scumbag perspective, gotta encourage people to change decks to get new cards.

@FluffySpikeM Ай бұрын

It’s the other way around. New cards don’t apparently get a rating for some time (some speculate it being half a year), since there is no data on their power level. In Brawl the famous example was Rusko. A lot of the lower-ranked commanders are from precon decks, so they’re actually really weak. Card ratings could also be put in a away to reflect the power level of decks they are played in, so saying “the one ring is only a 9, Zenith Flare is 216, zomg” isn’t that smart. Overall, the ratings are not necessarily misplaced, save for older cards’ numbers not getting updated to correct for power creep.

@JakesFavorites Ай бұрын

It could be the inverse, to shield new players who only.have new cards, from old cards. No oldhead should be playing Arena at this point.

@aralornwolf3140 Ай бұрын

@@JakesFavorites, IMO no one should be playing Arena... it's just a cash grab. :/

@JakesFavorites Ай бұрын

@aralornwolf3140 Well yeah. I quit years ago. I was shouted down when I said it was rigged.

@aralornwolf3140 Ай бұрын

@@JakesFavorites, I played it for a couple of months several years ago... When I saw I could spend money on "card packs" to expand my collection... I knew _then_ what it was. If I wanted to give WOTC money for MTG, I would have bought the real cards, lol. At least they have real value. But, I also wasn't really happy. I was a casual and the only friends I played with were very competitive... to the point they held a weekly tournament. *Shakes Head* There were only three decks which were winning said tournament and I had none of those cards. *Sigh* I would have loved to spend money on luxury cardboard rectangles, if they weren't priced so high where I live.

@TomozAlpha Ай бұрын

No wounded Arena has been so frustrating nothing but the same decks over and over all I want to play is zombies but I have no choice to play elves to get my rank up

@RollingCalf Ай бұрын

I feel the same way. Built an original deck and when I hit diamond is basically all mono red from there

@ckxspartangaming5887 Ай бұрын

Ngl I felt the same until I started playing this off-meta historic deck I used to play that randomly crushes 75-95% of the meta decks and now I went from bronze to mythic in 4 days (neoform-stormvaster combo)

@BlueGriffin20 Ай бұрын

I understand the reasoning as you can’t pick your opponents if you que or even rule 0 about decks, but it still feels scummy. Especially if they don’t adjust the data when the data dictates. Also means you can’t just have fun match if you’ve used a power deck over and over giving your record.

@macplow2234 Ай бұрын

I suspected the rigged matchmaking years ago. That'ds why I stopped playing.

@andysimpson4327 Ай бұрын

Are they going to print correct two sided cards? I'm not interested in owning cards that have errata before they even get out of the freakin pack

@Frogleeoh Ай бұрын

My thoughts as well. This news is more upsetting to me than it really should be. I was excited for Modern Horizons 3, but if the cards aren't actually going to come out of the packs as advertised, it makes me want to skip out on the sealed product entirely, and just claim my discounted fetch lands.

@innarrixl6753 Ай бұрын

Best of 1 they admitted to using a hand smoothing algorithm. I think it's based off of rarity. Noticed best of 3 is much more random.

@lookfat Ай бұрын

Who do they think they are, the wizard of oz? A shuffle should be random.

@innarrixl6753 Ай бұрын

There is 2 different things to take into account. A rand function is not truly random, it's a function that appears random. True randomness is actually pretty rare in coding. There's also a tendency for people to look at random events and try to view them as less random than they are.

@lostalone9320 Ай бұрын

I am not buying that in 2024 a big corporation cannot make an adequately random shuffling algo to play a card game. If online poker can achieve sufficient randomness to be legal then Hasbro can manage to shuffle to that level.

@edgabrillo1909 Ай бұрын

That rumor about rigged matchmaking in the arena has been around for a long time, and I believe it. Despite everything, we're still here, playing the game. I just love this game, and it was a big part of my childhood. Plus, I don't have access to physical cards, so MTG Arena works well for me.

@slowggles Ай бұрын

gamestop didnt die? in this economy??

@tako4316 Ай бұрын

Does anyone have a source for the MDFCs having a printing error?

@dervakommtvonhinten517 Ай бұрын

Does anyone know where to find the point ratings for the cards?

@J_Dubb1 Ай бұрын

So when I try and call customer service to have my misprinted card replaced with a tournament legal copy so I can...... play in touraments, what is their response going to be to my request? Let me know below :

@mantizshrimp Ай бұрын

sorry for the quality issues. here's the same card without mistakes. you can keep your old one as a gesture of good will

@user-go4vz2ir6r 26 күн бұрын

Buy one that is Tourney legal, Duh! :)

@thatdudergaming1424 Ай бұрын

Where can I get the point scale for magic cards in mtg arena?

@jmoney9494 Ай бұрын

There is so much in game rigging also of things that happen so much it has to be orchestrated. Like if i play deep cavern bats and would remove someones legendary creaure they always have 2 in hand. Or they have nothing good and top deck a super good card for them. I think part of deck building is not always having a perfect hand but dealing with the hand you have but every mono red or poison deck has literally every card they need to thwart me every game even if i have multiple pieces of the correct removal. I have so many times been 1 turn from winning and opponent has 1 card in hand, 1 card out of thousands and its perfect removal. I play creatures they have board wipes. I play artifacts/enchantments they have zero creature removal but all the correct removal. Opponent has a 200 plus card deck with 4 colors and no mana fixing problems and i struggle to have even more than 2 mana

@dragade101 Ай бұрын

I love how Stifle, Tempered Steel, Pack Rat, Burning-Tree Emissary, Doom Blade, Searing Blood, Kolaghan's Command, Prismari Command, Elite Spellbinder, Solemn Simulacrum, etc all have the SAME 45 points as: Emergent Ultimatum Genesis Ultimatum Shark Typhoon Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath Yawgmoth, Thran Physician Young Pyromancer Craterhoof Behemoth Yet cards like Crafterhoof Behemoth (45 points) vs Nissa, Ascended Animist (27 points) or Lotus Cobra (45 points) vs Nissa, Resurgent Animist (9 points); these are just some of the lovely contradictions in Brawl. Another card that can pop off while being in your 99 is Radagast the Brown and is only 9 points worth. Luckily Risen Reef is an 18 point card lol... We see the contradictions #WotC (values based on 27 May 2024 calculations)

@pe-ka1844 Ай бұрын

the only reason I wanted to get this set WAS the double faced cards. if some of them are all going to be misprints then I'm waiting for the second print where they fix it. or is it just random ones that are borked?

@steamsteamy Ай бұрын

law against unfair gaming= to prevent "practices" that "exploit" consumers or create an unfair advantage for certain parties. In the context of Magic drafting, laws related to gambling and consumer "protection" may apply, particularly if there are concerns about transparency (in this case, an obvious rigged shuffler) fairness, or "deceptive" practices. But for some reason, Magic drafting is considered a game of "skill" rather than "pure chance". Paper magic is, but MTGA is not, which may affect how it is "regulated". Key word. Regulated! MTGA is not regulated and can exploit any underage individual (in the hopes of lining their pockets) by exploiting these "variables".

@egoalter1276 Ай бұрын

Any game of chance is required to publically make availible all of its chance bqsed mechanics as per most laws on gambling. MTGA is rigging their matchmaker and shufflergiving us the exact specifics of how is illegal. But than again MTG itself is unregulated gambling for minors, and nobody ever bulldozed them for the card packs, because in the eyes of the law, the cards therein are all equally valuable, despide transparently demonstrable evidence to the contrary.

@heecks9375 Ай бұрын

Where you get the info about the points system ? Thank (link)

@thelordsephiroth777 Ай бұрын

It's about damn time its been exposed. Now fix it

@danielcaldwell1110 Ай бұрын

Until E.U starts to not allow this fraudulent game nothing will be done. The U.S will never do anything about it, it's an anti-consumer right's country, aka neoliberal.

@jackzhu462 Ай бұрын

is this only affecting the Play Boosters, or all product lines (Play Boosters, Collector's Boxes, etc.)?

@yellow_jacket3260 Ай бұрын

I had a feeling that arena was rigged, because I did noticeably better at matches with my local community compared to the matches that I get put up in Arena

@thelordsephiroth777 Ай бұрын

Exactly

@angusayres888 Ай бұрын

Anyone know where I can take a look at the point list?

@TheMagicHistorian Ай бұрын

its on the mtg arena reddit

@helhal Ай бұрын

MH3 problems: The focus is too much on Phelia the dog. That's why soo many mistakes made.

@TheDarkElder Ай бұрын

Nah, well. They wouldn't just need some intern to assign numbers. Gauging power of Magic cards is not done by any one person, it is done through game play. Remember all the cards in reviews we thought to be okay but then they'd combo off on insane levels? You cannot just assign a number to a card, it needs context. That means this simple "assign points" and apparently never update scenario is just a no-effort way to rank cards and decks. There are some solutions for sure, but that would require Wizards to get some mathematicians onboard to create proper models and weighting for card combos and all that what makes a deck not just a collection of 40, 60 or 100 cards. Don't underestimate how complex the transition from "I have an idea" to code can be.

@lanmarknetworking3034 Ай бұрын

They really need points to make Commander work on Arena...

@cherry9787 Ай бұрын

Maybe have it based on win rate?

@Wintercide 16 күн бұрын

It's not like there are websites like Commander's spellbook that have most of if not all the combos so WotC should definitely have the information too. And then just double the assigned numbers or something when combo cards are played in the same deck.

@NetherVoiD 16 күн бұрын

Buddy, the quality of their cards now is the same as their game.... CHEAP. You honestly think they will go that far to hire mathematicians and scientists to make a game.? Stick woth reality Hasbro will NOT do that.

@jaydub5515 Ай бұрын

I know WotC was hiring a Flavor Text Author a while back. Maybe they didnt have anybody working when they were designing

@vonaudije1207 Ай бұрын

they took a huge blunder with magic 30th, they promised the investors money and well, that did not happen. They can not project the money they promised with sales because most of the sets sucks, that is why they instead cut corners ( reduced quality, lay offs, etc.. ) to at least compensate.

@pyredynasty Ай бұрын

GameStop has stopped more games than any other company.

@localhorst4159 Ай бұрын

Is there a source for that point ranking? I cannot find one.

@Gouretoratto Ай бұрын

I always felt matchmaking was based on money spent. My question is how do card points weigh against how high demand a card is/rarity

@joejojo5966 Ай бұрын

makes you wonder if mh3 is a fully ai created set lol? Gamestop should just open up stores for tcgs lol

@williamdrum9899 Ай бұрын

AI has zero concept of color pie

@ABZANTurtle Ай бұрын

been playing 250+ Decks for about 3 years and noticed the riggedness; 1. some decks would be ok-ish, except the constant amount of "cards that intuitively counter your decks strategy" being in their top 7 cards almost every game. Playing ANY artifact deck = ALL anti artifact cards, even the less than 10 different "destroy/exile all artifacts cards" that would be useless against anything else GUARANTEED to be seen every 10 games without fail. 2. after slimming down to 200 cards ... life got easier but got f***ed up every time I would play ranked for about 2-4 weeks of extra "unfair" matches, making the "free" booster worthless to me to even risk doing that ever again 3. some color pairs are literally forced to play only select strategies because if they do not = about less than 33% HARD LOCKED win rate, if they try

@fuzzbuzz6581 Ай бұрын

Where would one find this point list?

@christopherb501 Ай бұрын

I watch a stream that routinely talks about the meme stonk phenomenon, in all its futility and idiotic splendor, with BBY and GameStop coming up most. I will be curious to see how MtG adds to the mythology.

@Beckola44 Ай бұрын

Double faced cards is another example of Wizards not checking their work on their products. Like I said before, I quit playing Arena close to 3 years ago. Wizards is getting quite LAZY now and they don't care. Thank you for the video Magic Historian.

@retekretekretek Ай бұрын

It was a common theory since the early days of arena that your opponent is based on the deck you play. Interesting to see it being confirmed.

@K1ngMidas Ай бұрын

I knew there was a reason the very first match I made a brawl deck with Atraxa it was a mirror match, yet before that point I had NEVER gone against an Atraxa of either kind

@rubenrebenz1000 Ай бұрын

The fact that people collect mis-cuts & misprints is baffling, considering WOTC’s QA is nil.

@OdinMagnus Ай бұрын

It's not rigged and it's not random. If you look at the reason the cards have the values you would see a trend. For instance, the cycling card is high value because if you look at the deck, all of the cycling cards have a value of 9 or less, some are 0. So it gets to the point that if it didn't have a high value, they would have to punish the bad cycling cards instead or have that deck go up against the lowest and worst decks, which wouldn't be fair. As for the one ring and bowmasters, the decks they generally go into, have high point cards. Amazonian broke it down pretty well actually. She plays brawl all the time and when this came out she made a video on it. As for people saying, "It's rigged" don't understand what rigged means, this isn't rigged, it's just a matchmaker that weighs more on cards in the deck. Which oddly enough I told my friends that the matchmaker "prolly does this" about 4 years ago.

@HogLordSupreme Ай бұрын

love seeing wizards putting in work where it doesnt need it on arena, instead of adding cards to the fucking game

@MadHatter2k4 27 күн бұрын

Any idea when we might see commander on arena

@leodalkey651 Ай бұрын

I imagine a 100% netdecked budget Rielle running over lightly salted precons in bottom tier EDH.

@NateTmi Ай бұрын

That would explain how/why I often see some of the same cards I am playing as a card in the deck I am matched with.

@suntzu6122 Ай бұрын

Double sided cards have been TRASH since day one. JUST STOP MAKING THEM. Who the h3ll wants to pull a card out of its sleeve mid game as a 'normal mechanic'?

@shawnpanzegraf5642 Ай бұрын

Me? Turntimber Symbiosis is a favorite of mine precisely due to my being able to drop it as a land if I see it too early. If it was a single-sided 7-drop? Trash. Vanilla Vorinclex is one of the best Green creatures ever made. Without that Saga-flip? Why would I ever play it over something like Elder Gargaroth, which has the same stat line for cost, an additional keyword, and far more Triggered abilities. The Ojer cards are absolutely beloved in several colors. MaRo knows I adore Ojer Kaslem. Burning up my opponent’s limited supply of Exile-based Spot Removal is always a priority, which makes it a great card to increase the survivability of my Commanders. I get that it could be annoying for someone who multi-sleeves, but are there really that many must-play DFCs?

@suntzu6122 Ай бұрын

@@shawnpanzegraf5642 they dont need to exist. They are a terrible mechanic when any normal adult will sleeve their cards. Suggesting someone should un protect their cards mid match for some goofy card that would easily be rededesigned without the flip mechanic. Mtg was fine without it for like 25 years lol

@RaceBandit Ай бұрын

HCBailly had to explain this to me: Wizards tends to print checksheet cards you're supposed to sleeve into your deck as a substitute, with the real card set aside.

@shawnpanzegraf5642 Ай бұрын

@@suntzu6122 I mean, I’m not wedded to the concept of DFCs specifically. I just see them as an outgrowth of power creep. You can’t fit enough text in one box to make some cards, after all. After starting in April of ‘96 and staying until the end of the Urza’s Block, I only returned for EDH right around LotR/Throne of Eldraine, so I know what you mean. I just don’t see a need to resleeve one or two of my own cards as any more arduous than waiting through all the shuffling due to Fetches of various stripes, and Tutors, of course. Then again, I only single-sleeve, so it might just be it isn’t enough work to bother me.

@suntzu6122 Ай бұрын

@@shawnpanzegraf5642 I think if youre a good enough designer you can design interesting and unique cards WITHOUT needing 2 sides of a card to do it. Like I said, we got along just fine without for a long long long time.

@WTFMTG-bw8dv Ай бұрын

When you game online not using physical games or in tandem the companies record your every move and decision and create a profile they sell on you to many others. Physical gaming on PS3 is where im at for life…. They charge you to take your profile online…. Crazy idiots will comply to play….

@dragade101 Ай бұрын

All WotC had to do was assign points for a given format. That Zenith Flare should have scores for Timeless, Historic, Explorer, Alchemy, Standard (when it applies). Meaning if a card is great in Standard but likely less good elsewhere, even if the Standard score was not updated; a card like Zenith Flare wouldn’t continue to have a misrepresented score (if we must use this point system).

@thelordsephiroth777 Ай бұрын

Um. It happens in ranked too. Why is everyone so quick to pretend wotc has any honor

@Lodosswar100 Ай бұрын

The only people who didn't know the MM was rigged were Discord Mods lol

@steamsteamy Ай бұрын

I would love to hear your take on this matter Mr. Historian!!!

@TeeJayDubyiu Ай бұрын

My Kinnan Bonder deck would never face anything other than a mirror or Bridge/Bolas Dragon god and Golos decks and felt it was rigged. I was called retarded for thinking this by some peers. I'm glad now some Arena shenanigans have been exposed. Cheers Mike!

@JakesFavorites Ай бұрын

I must have been the other guy! I had a Bolas deck and was matched against Kinnan and Niv-Mizzet 5-color at least 30 times a day until I quit the whole thing.

@00110000 Ай бұрын

On the one hand, I'm happy the community finally has vindication for their suspicions of Arena's matchmaking, which hopefully leads to change. On the other hand, I yearn for the simple ignorance of not needing to worry about how I should optimize my deck for the matchmaker. Ugh.

@TheRealCryopticG Ай бұрын

400CAD for a standard booster box is to much even for a specialty set. The set itself is lackluster with cards ether being stupidly broken or crappy. its terrible. Wizards is lazy, they screw up a card and just tell you to play it instead if replacing there mistake.

@slayerofthebuzz1 Ай бұрын

I thought it was a coincidence, and it still might be, but I've quick drafted OTJ quite a lot and until today had never seen a catarantula on my opponent's board. But today, i played 5 games and saw 7 OF THEM.

@ES_DCSAVIOR101 Ай бұрын

I literally only play Standard Ranked so it makes sense why I never noticed the rigged matchmaking.

@drinjj Ай бұрын

I actually did get the error message myself (I think). I couldn't figure why it happened. One day it was working and the month after I couldn't queue with it. It was a meme glass cannon combo deck with Galadriel as commander, thassa's oracle, marith lage's slumber and 97 snow land. By poking around I had to drop the land count to ~76 if I remember well. Didn't know why, just knew I had to. At that point the deck did nothing of what it was supposed to do. Given the point value of nonbasic lands I'll see if there's enough snow non basics to raise the value of the deck for it to be playable again.

@theartificialrealms 16 күн бұрын

What I don't understand is why these deck pairing algos apply to ranked. Which they do. Makes no sense at all.

@Tornven2003 Ай бұрын

I love it when my jank decks that haven't cost much at all beat proper "pro" decks full of every expensive card. Tend to find this with control decks or 4-5 colour decks on Arena. Some people forgot after spending all their cash that buying all the cards doesn't mean winning with all the cards.

@refundreplay 6 күн бұрын

I started playing Arena again... For about 2 days. My opponents ALWAYS went first and I would only draw 1 or 2 lands when my deck plays fine in Paper.

@deohere7647 Ай бұрын

They're charging double for basic packs of modern horizons 3 and... They are printing this many errors? Wow. Utterly pathetic.

@Azonavox Ай бұрын

Today I learned Electronic Boutique and GameStop are the same store.

@snackplaylove Ай бұрын

I’m glad this is public now as a lot of us have known about it for years. Also Play mode tries to get you to 50/50 win rate so you end up going first a lot less if you win more. Playing ranked is much better for this, but no idea if the deck score matters there (yet)

@OmegaGrunt Ай бұрын

I can't see a scenario where the gamestop thing works out, they're going to get flooded with graded junk nobody wants. Crap people sent in only to realize how worthless their $2 bulk rare is, even in a slab. This is the perfect way for them to recoup their losses at someone else's expense.

@antoniojesusperezpolo6186 Ай бұрын

. The Idea of separating skill rate and deck power level is indeed good. They just have to 1) better calculate deck strength based on the winning percentage when you use math to extract the bias introduced by aspect like player skill, tier and even other factors like time of the day, and also used a tool that measures the distance from a given deck to the optimized landmark decks of each archetype, and using that vector in the calculation and 2) Update those calculation dynamically for each format. The problem is not that is "rigged" because, *even with this faulty system* , the (new) player experience benefits from the matchmaker taking into account the limitations in your card pool and your developing of deckbuilding abilities. *Yeah*, even this bad system is making the game somewhat "better". But the real problem is they need to put more effort to do that well enough.

@matthewmccreight9854 Ай бұрын

This resembles the pitcher problem, where you have 1 pitcher filling 1 container and 4 surrounding ones are empty; then in the next frame you have 1 pitcher trying to fill all 5 containers and doing so absolutely poorly. Captioned "you can do anything, but you can't do everything."

@panzerswineflu Ай бұрын

You have a point that it seems unlikely they programmed complicated rigging but on the other hand, drawing 5+ lands in a row after a board wipe in one night also feels unlikely in 21 land deck

@se7enfoot Ай бұрын

Welcome to Arena, where the rules are made up and the points don't matter.

@pakeshde7518 Ай бұрын

Lamestop will offer 1/4th portion and they will take all the risk.

@UnkleWillard Ай бұрын

Watching the vid as I type but. I noticed on arena a while back that when playing ranked seem to get certain matchup types so aggro is usually vs aggro maybe midrange. When I’m in my weird control deck I love o rarely see aggro. It’s just money they are chasing. They need the matches to feel fair. Lots of new players, fast gameplay, I’m Older, 37 as a high school teacher with a mtg club arena is what we introduce them to to learn the rules. But kids mentally keeping up with interactions, triggers ect. They would never stick with paper if it’s their first exposure. Being flooded or just bad hands makes a bad experience. Arena just holds our hands does all the math and we swing and hope. You may be good at arena but the paper don’t untap or add all your counters. The app itself is fantastic but it comes with kid gloves for financial purposes. It’s a business let the suckers buy what we know is crap and power creep and beat em with knowledge.

@joelmacgregor2615 Ай бұрын

Zennith flare was extremely annoying in standard when cycling was a deck, and it probably lead to many clicks of the unhappy face when the games ask if you enjoyed. I know I clicked it a few times

@nlsoundwave5656 Ай бұрын

Regarding the weighting system, I wonder if part of their forumula has to do with how many times someone voted "frowny face" when they ask how their match was due to being salty from losing to Zenith Flare... Also, while they're annoying, neither the One Ring nor the Archers are instant win-cons (and the Archers are easily killed, although you obviously don't want to take too long in getting rid of them).

@steamsteamy Ай бұрын

down the rabbit hole we go Is limited magic a form of gambling? Gamble=to take a chance by wagering something valuable (money) on an "uncertain" outcome, often in games of "chance" or "speculative ventures", with the aim of gaining a "favorable" result. 1st question I have. Does anyone straight up spend money on a MTGA draft just for pure entertainment value? Or do you not spend money in the hopes of going "infinite" and never having to spend money on gems ever again. I would deem this a "favorable" result. What is considered gambling? Consideration=something of value (money or gems) that participants "risk" in the hope of winning a prize. If limited isnt a form of gambling, then why are there " prize payouts" depending on what place you come in? Chance=the outcome of the activity is "predominately" determined by "luck" or "random chance", rather than skill. If you draw 8 lands in a row (which happens every single fucking draft it seems like) how does "skill" have anything to do with it. Remember... we are talking about a rigged shuffler. Prize=participants have the "opportunity" to win something of value. I.E. gems and packs.

@Reluxthelegend Ай бұрын

15_38 my guess is that cycling card by themselves aren't that strong, but the cycling deck is. So they put the points in the payoff to keep the score of regular cycling cards low. So this cards is practically carrying all points for the cycling deck.

@deanofcool Ай бұрын

I’ve been saying this about brawl for literally years, to the point that I don’t play it anymore. Got tired of playing some jank uncommon commander and getting matchmade against something powerful like sheoldred.

@alexanderwhitbeck5543 Ай бұрын

I believe people looking at this wrong the points control what decks get played and what cards people enjoy using. So by giving cards low value people have more fun as they have an easier match.

@Rancoroth419 Ай бұрын

Zenith Flare is high, because it was rated a long time ago when it was the peek of its play. The newer cards you referenced were probably weighted as they were introduced. For something to be hit that high, it looks like an obvious attempt to discourage playing certain cards rather than just banning it outright.

@Goatchaser Ай бұрын

I have been saying its all rigged from the beginning. I have been doing my 4 daily wins everyday for about 4-5 years. You start to see patterns. The game forces a 50-50 win rate. If you play mono red then 70% of your games are against mono red. If you run anti aggro/ mono red hate, then you will actually go against them 10% of the time. Play a deck will anti creature then you'll be matched up against a deck with no creatures. Its kinda hilarious at times. Play mono red and play the mirror match 10 games in a row. Switch to anti aggro then you never see another mono red. Switch back and suddenly mono red everywhere. I found that the best thing to do is to concede 20 games in a row. It forces a 50-50 win rate so you basically auto win a bunch of games in a row.

@allyourpie4323 Ай бұрын

Zenith Flare is so overpowered that nobody killed by it in the game ever survived to tell you about it in real life.

@Grimlock1979 22 күн бұрын

When I got matched against Zenith Flare players often, I just started playing Soul-Guide Lantern.

@acetraker1988 Ай бұрын

That has got to be some epic trolling, many overpowered cards being values as 9 points. Ergo the Power 9.

@Stiv64_ Ай бұрын

I play a blinker deck with Lagrella the Magpie in brawl. Roughly a fifth of the time I get paired with Etali, Primal Conqueror. :(

@RaynmanPlays Ай бұрын

A simple way to rig individual games after the matchmaking happens is to weight cards drawn based on the point system. So to say that the system wouldn't allow for that is misleading. It just wouldn't be as successful at rigging wins and losses as a system that was more well-made.

@jacksonlittle5993 Ай бұрын

There should be 0 weighting in ranked playlists. Any manipulation of a "competitive" environment means you're either artificially winning more or someone else is artificially winning less which defeats the entire point of playing a ranked playlist to begin with. Most games now days have enforced 50% win rates in order to keep people from going on big win streaks or going on big loss streaks. Why? because of microtransactions, you want lesser skilled players to feel warm and fuzzy so they spend money in the shop so if they get outplayed 10 games ina row they might just quit. So essentially better players most often have artificially deflated win rates regardless of their skill level. For every 1 thing WoTc reveals or confirms about their rigging there are 5 other things they aren't telling you. Do you think they would just show you their entire hand? Nope they are playing the end game and are two steps ahead of that. Microtransactions actually harm competitive/ ranked play in games.

@5371W Ай бұрын

I don't know about 250 card decks being rated as top tier by the system. They mostly show up in low MMR. Also they would all just match up against each other.