New Update! No Man's Sky: Worlds Part 1 is HUGE & Changes Planetary Generation!

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New Update! No Man's Sky: Worlds Part 1 is HUGE & Changes Planetary Generation!

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New Update from No MAn's Sky Worlds: Part 1 is huge and brings a refresh of planetary generation without the need for a universe reset of it's planets and systems. So join me as we go through all the changes to No MAn's Sky found in the new Worlds Part 1 update.
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@XainesWorld Ай бұрын

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@relaxandlearn7996 Ай бұрын

and to this day they dont have a real multiplayer where everything is in sync. to many things are totally different between players even in the same friend group when they playing. this is also why it has so less players ,because its a massive singleplayer where everything needs extra time.

@mag1kw1th1n Ай бұрын

The fact that this is just part 1 is insane

@TheCobraKing209 Ай бұрын

Wonder what we might get in part two, I hope settlements get updated, they feel extremely bare bones rn

@anonymous_dot_com2326 Ай бұрын

Oh ye

@halbouma6720 Ай бұрын

@@TheCobraKing209 When I saw the western emotes on Sean's post that was my speculation because yeah, settlements are at the top of the awful list. That and the living ship missions.

@mag1kw1th1n Ай бұрын

@@TheCobraKing209 hopefully

@Lombrar Ай бұрын

in addition to your comments i just wish for more that is already being there. HelloGames especially with this update wants us to explore. So we need valuables to hunt for. Could be materials, tools, weapons or even blueprints with new stuff (buildings for ex.) I mean rare sh't, that is hard to find and not only good for selling.

@seanclapper9965 Ай бұрын

Id love truly DEEP oceans with trenches, waterfalls, rivers, and gas giants!

@thegreatpoo2electricboogal318 Ай бұрын

I hope thats gonna be part of Worlds Pt 2!! 🤞

@Rietto Ай бұрын

One of my favorite terrain mods made deeper oceans and more interesting cave systems, and I hope that can be modded to the new system if it's not already in.

@wolfwing1 Ай бұрын

imagine if they made a subnautica version update,

@d00mnoodle62 Ай бұрын

@@wolfwing1abyss sorta was that several years ago, but only one leviathan type creature that only spawns after you harvest the hadal cores is not as hype as a free roaming HUGE leviathan

@rahovartiv3464 Ай бұрын

I've wanted genuinely deep oceans forever now. When I say deep I mean likes pitch black down there and theirs some bioluminecent animals.

@satevo462 Ай бұрын

This may be the best modern day game ever simply for the fact that they released it broken and unfinished but never quit working on it and have never charged a dime for every new major overhaul and update. It's crazy how much Hello Games has given back without asking for anything.

@michaele.strasser9641 Ай бұрын

I am playing in VR only and if you are sitting in front of a flat screen you are missing more than you can imagine.

@HarperLylia Ай бұрын

Omg I didn't even think of this update in VR

@ronaldpiper1326 Ай бұрын

Same its hard work some times only have a 1060 but its so good in VR

@EternalGaze8 Ай бұрын

Oh man. If I could afford it I would buddy! I can’t even imagine it.

@shawnbyers6947 Ай бұрын

I have considered PSVR 2 someday as I've owned NMS day one and just need a completely new perspective and reason for loving the game. Is VR truly a game changer? I expect it to be quite blurry and finicky to operate 🤷‍♂️

@seanclapper9965 Ай бұрын

Preach!!!! Lol

@pierreproudhon9008 Ай бұрын

You get your long desired universe reset, I get my water physics rework. Everybody benefits!

@JamesPound Ай бұрын

Universe is not reset, at least not the terrain. Terrain is unchanged (mentioned specifically in the detailed patch notes).

@turboturkey7236 Ай бұрын

I have an ocean base that serves as the HQ of my trading company. My sea is green now and so gorgeous.

@SeraphArmaros Ай бұрын

The fact that we have another big update still coming this summer amazes me.

@exodore2000 Ай бұрын

With Hello Games, do you think they will stop at 2?

@SeraphArmaros Ай бұрын

@@exodore2000 i mean... he did post 3 Earth emojis...

@lestab_. Ай бұрын

You mean next summer or actually this summer?????

@Belle75468 Ай бұрын

@@lestab_. No one knows

@SeraphArmaros Ай бұрын

@@lestab_. From the in-game patch notes: "Worlds Part I represents the first component of the Worlds Update, with even more to come later this summer."

@ColeTrain34 Ай бұрын

its been a long time since wanted to try No Mans Sky again, this might just be the best time to do so

@silversong4VR Ай бұрын

Same. But I had to get a new PC to continue playing recently. Now I worry all of these updates are going to push me out yet again way too soon.

@satevo462 Ай бұрын

@@silversong4VR PS4 Player here... cry me a river... Just kidding. It still plays well on PS4. I wish I could afford to build my own machine again but prices are crazy right now.

@silversong4VR Ай бұрын

@@satevo462 And that's why I do love the consoles. They tend to stay relevant longer, at least for gaming. I should have bought NMS on PS4...still can I guess lol

@PotentialLegend Ай бұрын

Yeah it is, I played it again last night for the first time since August 2022.

@PotentialLegend Ай бұрын

@@satevo462Is the game still getting updates on PS4??

@ryannickens7848 Ай бұрын

I asked you on your stream once years ago if you thought HG would ever "fix the water" and now it's come true! Thanks for letting them know how important this was for me.

@christianedwards9025 Ай бұрын

Glad to see the Iron Vulture from prior expedition being featured too.

@1980StevieJ Ай бұрын

Not played this for a while might give it another go now there’s more diversity in planets

@binary_ironclad Ай бұрын

Great video. I was pleasantly surprised at the flora and fauna editions. Currently not playing on the most high-end system, so I can't really snaz out the graphical fidelity, but with what I am seeing I am very impressed. Some glitches for sure; Zendesk has seen me a few times, but from such a small team delivering such a big game, I can live with it.

@hurleymacfar Ай бұрын

I love the update. So many new awesome aspects... But... A base I spent absolutely ages building and perfecting now has an island on top of and all the way through it. Proper gutted about that

@stanleymorse3260 Ай бұрын

Thank you for actual accurate coverage of the update, so many big nms influencers made incorrect assumptions and got loads wrong reading the patchnotes.

@a-fvs3269 Ай бұрын

I love this game so much, cool that they are still updating it for free after all this time

@savedbybravado4382 Ай бұрын

HG are total chads for their dedication

@BrianComradovichRadovich Ай бұрын

Okay, I found some useful data to contribute to the cause. The total numbers of words for each of the three races has increased, (this is the total before you start seeing "already learned" when you request dialect help), it is now: 918 Gek, 928 Vy'keen, and 859 Korvax. I'm sure there's a cap on Autophage words, but I'm nowhere near that or the Atlas cap.

@Avean Ай бұрын

Havent played No Mans Sky in years and was shocked reinstalling it yesterday. There was so much going on. Firstly the oceans looks gorgeous and you can even dive into it. Then i experienced something i thought was a huge volcano eruption but turned out to be a gigantic sand worm. Then the weather affects.... was blown away.

@cachorro25 Ай бұрын

I'm the only one who is crazy excited about the falling water?

@Brickticks Ай бұрын

Settlement buildings got shifted around, but otherwise everything is fine. My mother loved the new water around Praxeum II, said it looked like the Caribbean. Enjoy!

@satevo462 Ай бұрын

I cannot get sucked back into this game AGAIN. What am I saying. Yes I can. But I simply don't have the time.

@Yilue Ай бұрын

This update is so awesome but I do have an issue with it. Some planets I already have descovere have completely changed. This one planet I had found had small forest spread around it with medium sized trees and rocks. Now its just a few big glowing mushrooms. I've found other cases similar to this. But there is a lot of beauty this update brings

@passiondono Ай бұрын

Get used to it, this has been a thing since before the NEXT update years ago.

@mikeuk666 Ай бұрын

You have to break some eggs to make an omelette

@daenithriuszanathos9306 Ай бұрын

Now it's time to wait for Xaine's guide so I can finally tackle the new expedition! Thanks for your videos, Xaine!

@Camodeep7583 Ай бұрын

Cooking and eating animations wish list for sure sitting around a campfire cooking

@jonahbutterfield5792 Ай бұрын

I’d love to see multiple biome planets in part two and real rivers! Maybe glaciers! Really enhance the worlds! This update looks epic already super excited to see what more they have planned!

@turboturkey7236 Ай бұрын

That might be difficult for the game engine but I ain’t no game developer. Sean has already stated that Light No Fire will be exactly that, but on one planet even larger than Earth.

@Osmone_Everony Ай бұрын

One of my lush home planets has changed into a swamp world. :(

@sacknutgaming2428 Ай бұрын

Tbh its like i never even updated, my planet didnt change at all, let alone any near me, theyre mostly flat with some decent hills still

@Osmone_Everony Ай бұрын

@@sacknutgaming2428 The vegetation of all of the lush planets I have bases on have changed and also the color palette. All the exotic planets I have visited so far haven't changed at all. Today I started exploring undiscovered systems and I found some of the new assets there. Testing continues...

@theexperience5549 Ай бұрын

Just bought this for the first time. Hope it’s good. I’ve been aware of this since first development but only now buying years later. Crazy. Was £15.99 in PS store sale

@jbbuzzable Ай бұрын

I've already begun a new start. Looks awesome!

@Chirp296 Ай бұрын

I still haven't dived in yet. Just downloaded the update last night (psvr2) and am now off work and have time to play. I feel like a kid on Christmas that just woke up and is about to run downstairs to see all the Christmas gifts around the tree. 🙂

@mistermysteryman107 Ай бұрын

Thanks for summarizing the update space daddy

@okashiad6930 Ай бұрын

BUT WHERE ARE THE RIVERS?! All jokes aside, this makes me SO excited for LNF.

@curtsuplex6855 Ай бұрын

From my time playing since the update, I can say that the new planetary sub-biomes have been added ON TOP of the existing ones. Case in point the first two radioactive planets I visited were pretty much the old subbiomes with new sky and water effects, and the 3rd was the brand new subbiome(which looked really impressive!!).

@in-craig-ible6160 Ай бұрын

I'll be waiting for your Expedition Guide, Xaine.

@Eman-San Ай бұрын

Looks insane!

@stardragoon9250 Ай бұрын

"Insane" is that this game still works..with all this bugs, glitches, mess...and always destroyed people gameplay...

@AtrusDesign Ай бұрын

@@stardragoon9250ok I saw your many comments to say you think it’s inane this game still exist. How many hate! A lot of people absolutely love this game so may be it’s just not the game for you. Chill and play games you like. You have the right to express your opinion, write your comment and that’s it. Have a nice day.

@blueicesunberg7598 Ай бұрын

WOW just WOW

@anglopakistani Ай бұрын

This game now only needs , more Action encounters with Alien battles on planets to make it more interesting, like battling to take over planets.

@Teguvas Ай бұрын

It has also screwed some really beautiful earth like planets.

@belladora8328 Ай бұрын

You are my go-to source for no man's sky I don't trust one anybody else says

@arronstone177 Ай бұрын

Starship Troopers and Avatar influences. I like it.

@b0rg1010 Ай бұрын

The attention to detail is phenomenal.

@zizyip6203 Ай бұрын

My hope for part 2 is actual Citys civilizations on planets towns Giant Caves deep deep oceans.

@scottgust9709 Ай бұрын

Nice to jump back into NMS ..hope your doing great!

@zengrath Ай бұрын

Nice, i seen a news post about this update but a lot of what you described in this video wasn't mentioned on the official post i read. Makes me more excited to play. I will likely play it this weekend. I am guessing new generation only affects undiscovered worlds, otherwise only adding them as "new" worlds would likely make them more rare, hoping I am not wrong.

@zhunt69 Ай бұрын

It just looks awesome

@daveearl1304 Ай бұрын

It's a great update but I am still hoping for the ability to buy or build boats like speed boats to extremely large yachts. Building on islands and adding piers with boats would be fantastic to include the ability to fish.

@natergater10 Ай бұрын

Player bases doesn’t seem to load in for me right now and you can fly right through the small floating islands like there not even there. But the water and clouds are absolutely gorgeous and the new solar ship customization is great. I’m excited to see the new fauna!

@gassyboi420 Ай бұрын

i found a purple grassed paradise planet with a lime green atmosphere. Once you get to the surface there’s ONLY green, it’s so cool

@ziggytheassassin5835 Ай бұрын

Ive always thought it would be cool to have pitch black nights. Like make it rare but nights where you can only make out silhouettes in the distance with the sky.

@aarkwrite7240 Ай бұрын

Starfield could never 😂 but seriously what a substantial patch. I can’t wait to jump back in. My favorite though? Ships landing on water. I don’t have to create terrain to make a landing spot in the middle of the sea anymore 🙏🏾

@WarlordX7 Ай бұрын

I hope they increase the amount of ships you can have, same with more weapons and pets. I want to have 20+ storage for guns and ships so i can have all types in one save.

@Lorenzo-jc5yt Ай бұрын

Same

@Lorenzo-jc5yt Ай бұрын

Maybe a bigger freighter garage too and to let us pick which ones we want on display. At this point it’s the small stuff for me that I would appreciate.

@WarlordX7 Ай бұрын

@@Lorenzo-jc5yt I agree. A terminal near each landing pad to select which ship to display and maybe to limit what we can call down so the menu isn't overcrowded, just he able to call down what's on display on the ship at the time.

@WrittenOffski Ай бұрын

I believe some leaks suggest there will be a new purple system type in part 2 or a future update

@mahcheeksajiglin6540 Ай бұрын

I redownloaded yesterday and saw the game is only like 22gig now too. That’s pretty impressive.

@SirPlocks Ай бұрын

Oh i hope the races get some improvements

@nothGhost Ай бұрын

I've been listening to xaine talk about NMS for a half a decade or more, surely since some time between pathfinder and atlas rises - oh damn, saying 'atlas rises' makes me feel like I am 1000 years old, ow - and for the game to go from that to this is just... Wow. Sean. You and your team have done so much for so long and have asked for so little in return. Is there anything like this anywhere else in the games industry? A game this old freely updated with no microtransactions or paid DLC of any kind? I just don't know what to say anymore. Incredible doesn't cut it.

@WhitieWu Ай бұрын

Looking forward to your next expedition guide. 👍

@Jackanddino Ай бұрын

I just hope they increase the number of total assets you can have on one save. I hate having to tear down bases I’ve spent a lot of time making just because there are new things to play with.

@mikeuk666 Ай бұрын

Just start on a new planet

@Jackanddino Ай бұрын

@@mikeuk666 There’s a max amount of assets for the account.

@ultimate9056 Ай бұрын

@@mikeuk666there's a global object limit for how many bass pieces a single player can have, it's a restriction of the game engine itself for performance and file size reasons

@rambosweat Ай бұрын

it still feels kinda empty, although prettier. I sure hope they amp things up in terms of gameplay / story.

@perisemiotics3204 Ай бұрын

I like the landing on water feature but I think they could've postponed it to a new type of ship specialized for that function - and possibly others such as skimming over water. Having any ship just weirdly floating on the water surface doesn't feel too good - except for the runner and living ships. Fantastic update nonetheless.

@hogweedblitz8739 Ай бұрын

They have done an amazing job on this game. Just the most beautiful worlds. Well done Hello games!

@toddincabo Ай бұрын

This rocks but all the trees being blown, moving in unison like that looks pretty bad, same with how the new creatures bounce exactly the same when walking and don't change speeds. On the luminescent planets the flora all "blink" at the same time, would be amazing if they all had their own cadence.

@tophus5583 Ай бұрын

I'm not a big fan of their galaxy refresh, as my wife and I opted for an absolutely gorgeous paradise planet with dinosaur-like fauna and bioluminescent blue and gold grass. It was a beautiful sight day and night and completely tranquil. But now it's not like that anymore. It's a completely different planet and we're frustrated because we've spent days looking for this kind of planet.

@JennySparkz Ай бұрын

Think of it this way. You get to do it again with the potential for an even better find.

@d00mnoodle62 Ай бұрын

I get that but many people like myself want better procgen. Even a full universe reset if needed. I want terrain like in atlas rises again, but with new asset placements

@slay7584 Ай бұрын

@@d00mnoodle62 yep, I miss the Atlas Rises terrain gen so much

@d00mnoodle62 Ай бұрын

@@slay7584 i may have rose tinted glasses but pathfinder and atlas rises are still my favorite versions of NMS

@shawnc5244 Ай бұрын

Haven't played it yet but that happened to me once. I had the perfect planet once with a base, but one of the updates turned it into a dead planet.

@thomaswolfe3092 Ай бұрын

Cool update. Most of my best planets are destroyed

@Flamme-Sanabi Ай бұрын

Ngl, I do hope for planet specific features. That is, what planets in Outer Wilds have that NMS don't, which make them so much more interesting for me. Like, if there was a pool of 100 and every planet picks 3 of them, there would be 970.200 combinations already.

@realWorsin Ай бұрын

Clouds still look blurry.

@chesi_7_0_79 Ай бұрын

Its like they added Subnautica to No Mans Sky. The possibilities of the water elements being similar to Subnautica would be mind blowing.

@riseofempiresriseofempires1102 Ай бұрын

Yeah,like someone already mentioned,units need to have way more meaning if you almost have trilions of it. So far the most expensive thing is upgrading ship storage. Give us some planetary destroying weapons 😂

@lelouchvibritannia3513 Ай бұрын

These new updates are both awesome and sad to me. Yes, I like free updates, but at the moment my PC is a potato. A few updates ago, I could still play No Man's Sky on low settings, and I didn't miss out on any expeditions. I'll be getting a good PC by the end of the year. I hope they'll have this year's expeditions as a redux then, like last year.

@aarkwrite7240 Ай бұрын

2:00 No more making land for my ship to land on in the middle of the water neither yay!

@mad636man Ай бұрын

Ive downloaded and played this 3-4 separate times. When cool stuff is added. Time to do it again.

@vanlain1528 Ай бұрын

My forest planet with blue sky, red water, and thick green trees is now a yellow mushroom nightmare.

@danielpizana3682 Ай бұрын

lol, heartbreaking that is

@PelinalWhitestrake9147 Ай бұрын

Mine went from a beautiful landscape to a weed factory

@stardragoon9250 Ай бұрын

Typical for bug-y mess NMS...its "insane" this game still exist..

@krinkov8415 Ай бұрын

I had a glowing red mushroom to a xeno colony

@Ragnarok182 Ай бұрын

My world went from Barren Paradise, to a lush Paradise with a massive ocean with glowing mushrooms and small jungles.

@riseofempiresriseofempires1102 Ай бұрын

And well,if you find big enough wave,you can recreate the Miller planet scene from Interstellar

@Yamigata Ай бұрын

Couple things the universe reset has affected would be planet color/style (not sure of biome yet), and settlement layout. My green moon is now a blue moon, but still Pleasant weather

@KatSpicert Ай бұрын

Lucky your world got pleasant weather...mine got boiling puddles

@BrianComradovichRadovich Ай бұрын

After watching this video, I am totally hunting for a creature I can upload and name "And a Snazzy new dance". That's a purty name. Also playing this on an Arc A770 I just bought. I'm not sure if they stealth updated Arc support, but it's playing surprisingly well on Team Blue. This product line usually struggles on older titles like NMS, but I'm pleasantly surprised so far. Lots of settings bumped up to high and ultra, frames are pretty solid.

@ezskreet Ай бұрын

The only thing I would suggest now is gas giants and maybe the ability to fly close to a star

@ShaneMcGrath. Ай бұрын

Looks awesome, I'm a bit of a graphics nut. Haven't played in a few years, So many new updates. I really want to try them all now I have a Quest 3 headset.

@phant0mdummy Ай бұрын

Im still waiting for combat overhaul, or something to make planet exploration interesting.

@gerpir Ай бұрын

All I want from part II is dynamic water so my ship can create weaves (tunel) when speeding over the surface.

@kanikrage308 Ай бұрын

I thought the devs said there is dynamic water, but could be just for wind& weather

@Musicman1017YT Ай бұрын

It does this!! It won't show while boosting but if you're cruising over the water it's there! Crazy! 🙌🏾

@kanikrage308 Ай бұрын

@@Musicman1017YT just saw that too but still dont know how to get water landing upgrade

@Musicman1017YT Ай бұрын

@kanikrage308 oh! I had to look myself but it's another component you buy from the Anomaly. Go to where you upgrade your ship and it's a new part you can buy and install if you have the resources. It's awesome and worth it!! Go for it! 💪🏾

@gerpir 28 күн бұрын

@@kanikrage308 The water is dynamic because it responds to weather on the surface of the planet. It does not respond to your ship otherwise you will be able to make weaves with your ship. There is a particle effect on top of the water if you fly close to it but it doesn't change the geometry of the water which I was talking about in the first place (creating tunnel).

@chrisderhodes7629 Ай бұрын

It looks better but it seems like only about 1/4 of planets look better. 3/4 got small changes and don’t look better.

@norochmusic Ай бұрын

not sure about part 2, excited to see what happens, be jumping back on myself over next few days - did have a run with the last update but I tend to drift in and out really

@randylahey1232 Ай бұрын

I really wish they'd get rid of the gravity defying rocks and islands, immersion breakers

@urloony Ай бұрын

planets are vastly different. Different weather, threat, fauna, resources, everything. Favorite planets are no more.

@samghost13 Ай бұрын

I hope FSR 3 and Frame Gen. comes with part 2. FPS have dropped about 4-8 fps less than before

@solidsnayk Ай бұрын

Heck yes

@auberalex Ай бұрын

that's how you do water TODD!!

@user-vf5zd1mu8z Ай бұрын

Another HUGE update! So HUGE! Now even MORE! More empty worlds. Why Starbound (with mods) have more content than this? Big cities, npc land battles, npc followers, deep oceans, npc cities and villages, underwater npc cities, quests from npc, boarding enemy ships, building own space station. And i don't even talk about how good biomes in Stardbound is... That "huge" news about NMS every time - and every time you decide return just to see more boring barren grind with beatiful landscapes.

@Rocky-or4rz Ай бұрын

I just bought a new PC with a 4060 in it, and I already have a oculus quest 2. I am seriously considering buying No Man's Sky to play in VR. I bet it is breathtaking on a 4060.

@JESSROCKEDChannel Ай бұрын

i hope they just made planets to be a lot smaller but contains lots of rich details and civilization in some rare ones

@Here-2-Learn Ай бұрын

Finally fixed the water, that has always bugged me

@Wizard4k Ай бұрын

I would love multiple biomes on a single planet.

@exoticspeedefy7916 Ай бұрын

Hope to see actual different biomes on planets.

@ProgrammistMusic Ай бұрын

after this update i gave up on the idea that there will be a sequel of NMS at all. I thought that NMS 2.0 will probably in development after LNF is released, but this update transforms the new procedural technology of LNF to NMS and thus i think HG will continue to update NMS for many years now and try to sell the game to new gamers.

@squiddu Ай бұрын

we got 2.0 a long while ago lol. we on 5.0 now

@ProgrammistMusic Ай бұрын

@@squiddu i do not mean No Man's Sky Version 2.0, but No Man's Sky 2, which is a sequel not an update. That's a big difference 🙂

@ProgrammistMusic Ай бұрын

i have to find all new planets for my bases now, but that's how it is i guess. But the update also broke VR mode, because the shop is not usable anymore. All items appear at the bottom below the scroll bar, so only the 1st is visibel and i can't access anything else. I can't play VR at the moment because of this bug.

@JoshSmith-du1sw Ай бұрын

I think part 2 will be better cause part one just seems to do water and clouds . And has messed up grounds

@mrgreen2769 Ай бұрын

I noticed on the Xbox series X there are graphical glitches with water or liquid and landscape textures. I cannot confirm if this is the game itself since the update or Microsofts recent OS update back on the 15th-16th. Also I don't have No Mans Sky on my PS5 to see if there is any glitches. I do know the game update included new textures including water so this might be the developers doing. The game is playable and no crashes as of yet. Really not going to complain since they gave so much of their time with this game unlike other game developers who bale when sales crash.

@mayormanstown7903 Ай бұрын

Pat 2, ? : Turrets. Ratchet and Clank have turrets so should travelers to.

@AZBINION Ай бұрын

Doing big things again. Ive supported hello games from the beginning even with that bad start I knew they had something

@JG27Korny Ай бұрын

Apperently there are new worlds to be discovered. All my bases their worlds have been utterly destroyed in this world make up. The main trait is that their lush vegetation has been removed, mushrooms instead of palms, :(. Is there a fast way to delete bases. It is pain to go delete bases one by one.

@kevinbarnes3404 Ай бұрын

No Man Sky is number ONE!!!!

@WolfDarkrose Ай бұрын

personally. id rather have micro updates that focus on an area of the game and really polish it then change massive bits that if shit goes wrong takes dozens of updates to maybe "fix"