NEW V OLD PORSCHE GT3 TOURING: 992 v 991 head to head test

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The Porsche 991 GT3 with Touring Package is revered among enthusiasts as the ultimate q-car. Now the new 992 GT3 Touring is here, so is it better than the old version, and if so, how? I test drive both 911s back to back on public roads to assess their pros and cons. Which Porsche GT3 Touring do you prefer?
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@TT-by2vz 2 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who thinks, that the 991 is so much more beautiful than the 992. Like especially from the front it's such so much more sodile and isn't that the purpose of the touring?

@gosmarte669 Жыл бұрын

Fully agree, I actually like the rear of the 991 better.

@mayhem88 29 күн бұрын

I prefer the 992

@julianadams2206 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic review. The new car may be better but personally I prefer the more restrained looks of it’s immediate predecessor.

@Torus2X 2 жыл бұрын

For a Touring, looks definitely goes to the 991.2. For driving at the limit, 992 has the edge. For driving at normal legal speeds, hard to have a winner, both outstanding.

@JJTWagenaar 3 жыл бұрын

Stumbled upon your channel and stayed for this movie. Love the GT3 Touring comparison. High quality video and clear explanation. Keep them coming!

@taforth 3 жыл бұрын

The most comprehensive overview that I’ve seen to date 👍! I particularly enjoyed the comparison that you made with the 991.2 GT3 touring.

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Terry, I greatly appreciate that.

@gt3tfc173 3 жыл бұрын

991.2 much better looking, classier and more exclusive. Would always go for the 991.2 GT3 Touring. For track 992, but not the Touring then…

@neill3040 2 жыл бұрын

Def disagree. 992 is simply stunning and makes the 991 look dated especially from the rear. As to exclusivity, I would say that the 992 is virtually impossible to buy right now unless you’re willing to pay 50-100k over Msrp. Gt3s have always been notoriously impossible to buy, but the new model is like catching a unicorn.

@gt3tfc173 2 жыл бұрын

@@neill3040 Might be the case in the US or UK. In Europe not...And the 992 Touring will be build many years. 991.2 Touring was only build for max 1 year in 2018. Regarding the look it is a matter of taste. I think the 991.2 has a more aesthetic look with more classic 911 lines and a lot of people I have spoken to agree with it. Front spoiler is also much more coherent looking. 992 looks more modern due to the rear lights and slightly more agressive. But this is not what I am looking for with respect to a future classic. Yet, both are absolutely fantastic cars...

@neill3040 2 жыл бұрын

@@gt3tfc173 I’ve been trying for years to get a gt3 allocation and had no luck. Dealers here in the us who have an allocation are asking $75,000 or more over list for the 992 gt3….it’s madness. Agree with you that looks are completely subjective, I personally prefer the newer more modern and aggressive look but it’s a timeless design regardless

@saltlake6577 2 жыл бұрын

@@gt3tfc173 This is all on personal preferences… I‘m based in Switzerland and still fine with my 992 GT3 as a daily driver. Have a fantastic time with the 991.2 model.

@gt3tfc173 2 жыл бұрын

@@saltlake6577 Can imagine ;-) Great choice, have fun!

@cmg4511 3 жыл бұрын

Good job. You highlighted out a couple interesting tidbits that other have overlooked such as being able to see the conical airfilers just like you can on the 997 RS.

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Warren, thought you might like that detail especially!

@karlhurn 3 жыл бұрын

Great review Lee. Awesome knowledge and enthusiasm for the Porsche brand. Love the channel, Keep it up 👍

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly!

@gen1c8rs88 3 жыл бұрын

@@9WERKSTV 255/35r20 and 315/30r21 Michelin Pilot 4S tyre's are avialable locally or to order in, for those looking to have a less serious more touring focused 992 GT3 Touring(more lean around corners, less grip, slower into, at, and out of corners, and a softer ride = funner for some and less likly to make them feel inadequate). Seems ilke a missed opertunity by Porsche(as a factory option) and the 4S tyres may give a better impressions to retain some of the potential consumers.

@Braydenplaysallday 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome review! Well done ✅

@wisruteb 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this comparison. Very informative, indeed.

@justinevans1894 3 жыл бұрын

Hugely knowledge, love your films, keep em coming!

@ethanthomas68 2 жыл бұрын

Impressive knowledge and research Sir. I love the 992’s clean, understated design.

@vladimirb.9538 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent review, big thumbs up mate! I just did my first 300 km road trip in a new winged GT3, it is pure bliss both on the highways and on the B-roads. I previously owned a 991.1 GTS with a 3.8l NA engine and a very great sounding exhaust before all this OPF stuff got introduced, but this 992 GT chassis and sound and the whole experience is way-way ahead of the 991 generation.

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you indeed Vladimir. Very pleased you're enjoying the 992 so far, a 300km road trip is a great way to get to know it better! Agreed on your thoughts on sound, pretty incredible that car sounds so good even with those GPFs. Enjoy.

@Nord_Mann 3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm. I find it difficult this one. Sound is better on the original one, I don’t really like the BIG spoiler panel on 992 Carreras. Just came home from a 4-day track session at ACR with my boys, where 3 992GT3’s, 2 992 Turbo S’s, 2 GT2RS’s and several 991.2 GT3RS’s and Turbo S’s attended. We all liked the 992GT3 but the 99Turbo S would suit us better as a “family” car. Why can’t they give us rear seats in the GT3, at least in the GT3T which isn’t about lap times at all? Besides, I think getting the 991.2 GT3 Touring is the wiser financial decision over the 992 GT3T. Still those 992Turbo S’s have really held their value and gone up by quite some margin.

@raultomas6154 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, developing a new homologation, safety crash tests... for just a couple of GT3 touring is way to expensive. The GT3 are aside the 992 regular production, so modifying a couple of things (spoiler, gearbox, suspension management...) it's withing the regular homologated specs, adding 2 more seats... whole different story. Hope I've answered your question

@ghowells5433 3 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed that, thanks. Sounds another step on from the 991.2, thought they would soften the suspension a little from the initial reviews of the 992 gt3 winged. No chance getting an allocation though. Keeping my 991.2 gt3 long term though.

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

I've not driven a winged 992 GT3 yet to compare I'm afraid. Pleased you enjoyed the video, your 991.2 GT3 is a superb 911 so you still have one of the best ever made sitting in your garage.

@smallbloc 2 жыл бұрын

"with the PDK" "WHAT!?" LOL! Every manual driver's reaction :-D Well done as always, Lee!

@burgholte 2 жыл бұрын

To me it’s 991.2 for touring, 992 for regular gt3 and 997.2 for gt3rs

@brianhimmelman420 Жыл бұрын

exactly

@mcgill1482 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lee, looking forward to this 👍🏻

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, enjoy.

@xtlmad 2 жыл бұрын

great review!

@harrisclassics7049 3 жыл бұрын

Great video thank you Lee

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ian!

@dazsolimani2437 3 жыл бұрын

Chapeau another great Porsche video

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanka Daz!

@TheLambo123254 2 жыл бұрын

great video!

@got_gt3612 3 жыл бұрын

Great video , thank you !!!

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

@andrewdavis6226 3 жыл бұрын

Great review Lee. Now off to find some money 💰

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew!

@ahmedabdi5980 Жыл бұрын

Can one remove the particle filter? Personally I think the 992 is more beautiful both exterior & especially interior wise. Love the interior of the 992 generation

@mattdedasc 3 жыл бұрын

Great video

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@lotion90 3 жыл бұрын

i keep my 991.2 touring

@aronmeystedt Жыл бұрын

same

@RideTheTrack 3 жыл бұрын

This is the best real world review I've seen on the touring! Thank you! All i would ever want in this car is rear seats and more noise insulation, then in my eyes it would be the perfect car!

@brianhimmelman420 2 жыл бұрын

It’s called a Carrera … take ur pick

@jimgraves665 2 жыл бұрын

nice video but your favorite feature of this 992 is seeing the air filters? Still trying to digest that.

@terrymansfield2747 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Lee always enjoy your approach to your reviews. One question is the 992 worth upgrading from a 991.2. I know you didn’t drive a manual 992 I would pick a manual definitely I would love to know what your thoughts are keep the 991 or trade into 992? Is the 991 worth keeping as a future classic?

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Terry. I think due to numbers alone, the 991 the GT3T will always be highly sought after, I also think it's generally received as the prettier car and the first of a new 911 legend (think 996.1 GT3 etc) is always sought after by enthusiasts. However, if you want to experience what could well be peak NA GT3, the 992 is a big leap on. I love the 992 GT3T but was genuinely blown away by just how good that 992 is.

@Closertotruth2 3 жыл бұрын

Since you have driven them all I’d like your opinion. I own a 991 GT3 Touring. I’m considering also picking up a new GT3 with a PDK. Do you think the cars drive/ride significantly differently on the road ( non track). Thanks for your opinion.

@S25117 2 жыл бұрын

Wich is faster? On straight line and long gears?

@davidcollett1699 3 жыл бұрын

Tidy review lee. Dream car in the real world. Now for the 992 carrera t.

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers David!

@996Revival 3 жыл бұрын

These new ones are great to watch in the Carrera Cup. More than the 991. I think it’s the spoiler. Touring seems like a great idea but I love the swan neck🙃

@andreasathome 3 жыл бұрын

thank you, great review. i would add though: 991 much prettier front, no nose holes and no "i swallowed a black plastic small car" look better rear when spoiler is up, 992 looks like the lid is open 991 inside more ergonomical, buttons where they should be, no fiddly touch screen 991 sound is still more raw and more pleasing to my ears 991 is the much smaller car, that trend to bigger and bigger is worrisome considering all of the above, i believe the final verdict is more a tie than a clear win 992 definately more modern and better suspension but 991 more analog and better daily as the suspension is actually more compliant

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Andreas. While I agree with your points, I'd argue they are subjective, so while many may agree, other may not. I do dearly love the 991 though.

@Dave_____ 3 жыл бұрын

The 991.2 is a better looking car. Do not like the bigger size on the 992 Do not like the plastic strip between the rear taillights. The front nose looks like a nose within a nose or a smaller mouth coming out of a bigger mouth, this really shows when the front is completely painted. The dash, gauges, center console and general button layout is way better on the 991.2. Analog gauges belong on a sports car. That is one thing that I felt made the Porsches unique in the modern sports car world. Too many screens on the 992. Also, why do sports car manufactures keep making a bigger sports car every refresh? Many felt the 991s were too big.

@brianhimmelman420 3 жыл бұрын

The front end of 992 Touring is sooo awkward … the highest compliment to the 991.2 Touring is the sheer hatred on Rennlist of 911R owners

@cutdepiefails6596 3 жыл бұрын

The 992 can have a manual. Pdk is just an option as with the normal gt3.

@Retrobeemer 3 жыл бұрын

Love how both these cars look in silver. Especially with black accents like door mirrors and yellow brake callipers. All I need now is a lottery win and to place an order!

@hpman911 3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately here in the UK ,whatever lottery you win,I can guarantee that you will not obtain a build slot unless you are a very very special customer. Such a shame for all the real enthusiasts who actually want to drive and use the car as intended rather than keeping it in their collection to look at !

@Retrobeemer 3 жыл бұрын

@@hpman911 I know. It was the same with E30 M3's where enthusiasts were priced out by collectors. I'm just going to stick with my old 996 instead.

@alanwayte432 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting Harry Metcalfe was very critical of ride quality in 992 GT3 saying I believe that it had lost its duality as road/track car due to harsh everyday ride quality

@HGM10 3 жыл бұрын

It think as a 991 touring owner the 991 will be an is more of a special car overall less made and the fact that you get much more noise inside the cabin is pretty rad i do like that in sports cars, let use of the sound deadening for suvs or luxury cars, every new Gen “will or has to be better in each and every way” but that doesn’t mean it is really better, you know that as well. Any way love to see something about tourings, Love your channel 👌✌️💚

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you kind for the kind words and feedback. The 991 GT3T is a sensational 911, it's great that Porsche has given enthusiasts even more choice!

@HGM10 3 жыл бұрын

@@9WERKSTV appreciate your response ✌️

@neilw3400 3 жыл бұрын

Great review ! Do you feel the PDK suits the GT3T more then the manual ? Would you spec yours with PDK or manual ? Thanks

@brianhimmelman420 3 жыл бұрын

992 PDK yes for sure … better daily driver than 991

@lukaskristanavicius4780 3 жыл бұрын

@@brianhimmelman420 pdk on a touring ? doesn't it defeat the purpose

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Neil. Honestly? Controversial I know, but I actually think that 4.0 GT engine is generally better suited to PDK over manual. I'd absolutely spec a 992 Touring with PDK and have no problem with it. There's a very big argument PDK actually better plays into the idea of what a Touring is all about, though I'm sure somebody will be along to tell me otherwise!

@MishaMansoor 3 жыл бұрын

Great review! Shame about the mismatched transmissions, but well done all the same! So, do I trade the beloved 991.2 Touring for the 992 or keep it?

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Deal! Thanks Misha, and agreed on the transmissions. Better PDK v manual than nothing at all I suppose. I personally rate the 992 very, very highly indeed, but the 991 GT3T is a magical machine!

@djones1304 3 жыл бұрын

991 is bit more subtle. And prettier.

@wezzla 3 жыл бұрын

Especially in darker blues or greens with the chrome bits.

@Porschelover456 3 жыл бұрын

Also is sounds way better, it feels more raw, the gearbox is punchier, and in my opinion the new wing and the inlets on the hood are not so prety. Performance wise is better, it is normal. And the price also is a little to much for a 500 hp car.

@matviyk3066 3 жыл бұрын

@@Porschelover456 an awsome 500 hp. I’ve driven a stage 2 997 turbo and stage 2 m4. That more power is honestly useless for enjoyment through windy roads. Even if you decide to have some fun on a curvy highway at midnight.

@Porschelover456 3 жыл бұрын

@@matviyk3066 i have a 991.2 4 gts so i know how it is. I just say that for a car that cost over 220.000 k it should be a little faster in a straight line. I have 0-100 3,2 seconds, 400 m 11,0-11.1 seconds without rollout. So it is very close. A stock 2020 m5 is faster in a straight line than a gt3 and the price is half. I know the car is for track, but it should be a little faster.

@gen1c8rs88 3 жыл бұрын

@@Porschelover456 Only the early 991.2 GT3 Touring didn't have OPF filters.

@rubioalejo 3 жыл бұрын

Manual vs Manual would be sensational compare!!

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@hectorfabio4149 2 жыл бұрын

Man, What color is that on that touring? It's beautiful.

@LifebyDesign 3 жыл бұрын

Paddles are just too fun once you have good ones in a great car many would never touch a manual again. Gt3 touring with PDK is perfect set up IMO

@brianhimmelman420 2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps try autonomous driving

@Van-tastic 3 жыл бұрын

Lee, when are you going to come do a US tour? You should come drive my 996! I think you’ll appreciate it… I’ve put an entirely unreasonable amount of work into it.

@hazarddavid6987 3 жыл бұрын

991 for me...sharper and purposeful....992 is a tad too big...

@fredianocappellaro7406 2 жыл бұрын

GRANDE PORSCHE 👍🇮🇹👍

@hans-henrikstenild7746 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone know how many 991.2 Touring was made before the 992 was introduced.

@aronmeystedt Жыл бұрын

i think 700ish ? anyone else know

@gabrielotrisal8975 4 ай бұрын

750 just for Northern America. Estimates therefore land at +- 1800 total.

@user-qn6yt3zx3w 3 жыл бұрын

I remember looking at the Touring option when I spec’d my 991.2. I couldn’t understand it, it just seemed to be a GT3 without a wing and Touring badging. I wanted a wing, so I stuck with a manual GT3. Compared to my 997, the 991.2 feels huge, can’t imagine what the 992 feels like, but I don’t care to find out, because I dislike the dash and I find the styling way too fussy - seems like they just modified perfection, for the sake of it. That front bumper just doesn’t work at all. I’m a bit old school though, my favourite GT3 is still the 997.

@brianhimmelman420 2 жыл бұрын

U r in no man’s land … if you are really old school get a proper classic air cooled 911 … less is more ; ) lol

@alanwayte432 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t agree Porsche could not just stand still

@jf9601 Жыл бұрын

Respect to you bruv - you went for nearly 14 minutes blowing smoke up Porsche’s a***. You’re a fan by the looks of it.

@morphyon 3 жыл бұрын

hard day at the office, eeh? ;)

@stms4411 3 жыл бұрын

I don’t know that I would call it “genius” that the pdk lever looks like a proper manual. More likely that that’s a guilty conscience at work. I don’t want a sports car that LOOKS like it has the right transmission. I want one that allows me to drive a sports car with the right transmission

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

But it's great to have the option for those who may want PDK (and lots will order with the transmission)?

@stms4411 3 жыл бұрын

@@9WERKSTV - to each his own….but if someone wants a pdk and thinks it’s a benefit to look like it’s a manual, sorry, that’s weak.

@c3vzn 3 жыл бұрын

Who knew Joe Root was such a 911 enthusiast?

@9WERKSTV 3 жыл бұрын

Been called worse, so I'll take that!

@pjay3028 3 жыл бұрын

If only they would just give it rear seats, it really would be perfect.

@genetung8590 3 жыл бұрын

At least the wife would be a bit more positive if the boys had somewhere to sit

@RS-jb1lf 3 жыл бұрын

It can be done, retrospectively.

@pjay3028 3 жыл бұрын

@@RS-jb1lf it's Type Approved by Porsche as a 2 seater though, so using rear seats could bring lots of problems for the validity of insurance. I wouldn't risk it.

@thenestpodcast 2 жыл бұрын

@@RS-jb1lf how?

@bikemike1118 2 жыл бұрын

So there was still some room for improvements in the 991.2 …? When it was presented it sounded as if it was the PERFECT car. Curious what comes out about the „now perfect“ 992 GT3 …when its successor comes out. Porsche builds 911‘s since many, many decades …and STILL didn’t manage to build the perfect 911?! OMG

@rubioalejo 2 жыл бұрын

PDK ? Are you serious? Somebody wasted that valuable allocation!!

@rudik5496 3 жыл бұрын

All that.. and asked for Porsche to buy one after 15 years of Porsche RS and GT3 fandom and was politely told (passive aggressive?) that there was no allocation left… to which as a family of Porsche fans and personally also a massive fan say “F-Off”… I’ll buy a second hand one!

@cutdepiefails6596 3 жыл бұрын

So what? Call sooner, have a better relation with Porsche? Tf would they find you a car for if they don't have no more allocations? Have you helped the dealership make money? Have you used them for service? Don't whine, find someone selling an allocation for one and pay the premium. They will make money regardless. Or just show a big expensive pts spec request, they will start to like you quite quick.

@deepblue3741 3 жыл бұрын

WHUUUUT?!

@rubioalejo 2 жыл бұрын

Not 510 hp Is 502 hp.

@jlo6388 3 жыл бұрын

991 is better looking. 992 looks like a cross between a catfish and a frog.

@greggstern5483 Жыл бұрын

NO the 992 is NOT a better car. Just based one looks the 991.2 is better looking and the last of the analog dash. The 991.2 is a bit more raw which appeals to me.There will be many more 992's then 991.2 as the 991.2 only came at the end of the run and the 992 at the beginning also available with a PDK and for me the only way to have a Touring is with the motorsport tranny and the one piece carbon seats.The only thing the 992 has over the 991.2 is the front wishbone suspension

@encoreunefois1X 3 жыл бұрын

Q car ?!?!

@CrisWoollacott 3 жыл бұрын

Had the same thought myself. I think Q car might mean something different nowadays

@HawkMillFarm 3 жыл бұрын

Still don't like the nostrils. The 1.2 is a nicer looking car.

@carlosurrutia477 3 жыл бұрын

991 looks much better

@tomasjakubicka2928 2 жыл бұрын

I m owning 991 gt3T and I absolutely disagree that 992 is a better car! Main point you guys forgot is emotion you get from how the car sounds! 991 is pure loud, bass sound when you start and drive !!! 992 sounds like when my beautiful wife uses new hoover!! Quiet, no sound, no emotion, just do the job! Yes it is pretty but 991 is also very pretty plus you get more drama, more joy which you want from this kind of car! And sorry but f.ck double glazed windows I have on S class where it belongs, 991gt3 T is for real man, when he takes his babe for a pleasure ride!! This new cars are shit and I m so happy to have last proper 911 gt3T 👌