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If I’m restrained, I can swap places with my echo, who is immune to ALL conditions, like restrained. Instant escape.

Just imagine having your party captured, only for your Echo Knight to teleport out of the cell and steal the keys from the nearby guard who fell asleep on the job. Similar to how a Hexblade can't be stripped of their weapon or locked up (assuming misty step or the like), an Echo Knight can't really be trapped anywhere.

Quick thoughts on RP for the echo. Your future self, protecting their younger self. a literal guardian angel/devil. Your shadow come to life, like peter pan stile. A lost love one remaining to protect you in spirit form. Tacking onto that, last one maybe it's your twin. A Jojo stile stand. Lastly, Hard to RP but sounds super fun to me, some form of dissociative identity disorder, manifesting itself as literal alternate versions of yourself. As you can probably see, I love the rp potential of this subclass.

If you've got any questions about what the echo can or can't do, just imagine it's a barrel that you can move, swap places with, and pop out of to melee attack. The barrel doesn't hit things, you do. The barrel can't use feats, be healed, talk, wield weapons, or have racial traits. The barrel can't pass through walls, or provide flanking. It can't use skills or spells, or be targeted by spells that can't target barrels. Its not an ally, and it can't be effected by conditions. If you stop imagining it like a person or illusion, it gets more intuitive what can be done with it, and how it works

Noob Saibot? In my D&d? It's more likely than you think.

I can imagine your echo taking the hit for your characters love interest and maybe showing some way of affection with their dying breath, assuming your echo past selves have more free will when you rp them.

Nobody: Jojo fans: "So it's a stand"

A tricker cleric and echo knight multi-class could be really fun

it took almost 30 years but someone finally came up with a version of the fighter class that i actually want to play one question when using Echo Avatar can you speak through your Echo?

The comment about having a high floor, low ceiling was very insightful and useful.

With the Sentinel feat if you have your echo in an enemy's face, you can make an opportunity attack and stop their movement from range.

A good multiclass option is Ancestral Guardian Barbarian. Barbarian pairs well with Fighter already. Now you can say that you summon shadows to protect allies in addition to having more attacks.

I get where they're coming from with the rp score but I think they also overlooked the unique flavor of the subclass in general. "Hey, umm... so has anyone else noticed Gasher's been hanging out with a weird ghost-version of himself lately?" "Oh, yeah, it simultaneously satisfies his 2 greatest loves in life: tandem biking and not showering."

👌 I could imagine a scenario where the echo was a seperate entity and one point , and as a roleplay oppurtunity the echo attemps to fight you for control

On the critique of the you *can't* do more damage, I'd argue that you *can* do more damage, nothing restricts you from having your Echo flank with you or be near the target so you actually burst that target with.. A lot of attacks. Also love the flavour.

I be like Solo leveling before each fight : "Arise my echo"

so basically, The Echo Knight at level 7 gives you a 1000ft of scouting. Which includes flight from the 3rd level feature.

Playing an Echo Knight right now, and the options are so great. There are a lot of flavor options as far as RP, for an example my fighter just always has his out, it trails him and when people ask he just says, "Oh, that? That's my shadow" (southern drawl) as for combat I am still only third level but once I was bloodied I switched spots with my Echo (effectively disengaging as a bonus action) and continued to attack through the echo while stay out of melee range of the Bugbear. I definitely do more damage with my battlemaster duelist, but so far I really enjoy the utility and flavor of an Echo Knight

Love the videos. I just got back into dnd and your videos are great. Btw, love the UK hat!

If it wasn't for the 30 feet thing, I could've seen myself pulling the scene for the new Terminator movie. The one where they're on a bridge and the exoskeleton and it's "skin" on the opposite side walking towards them

Additional Combat Stuff: It pairs really well with Kobolds effectively removing Sunlight Sensitivity as it can work to trigger Pack Tactics. With Sentinel you can trigger it through your Echo as well :D Additional RP: At night, this thing would just look like a shadowy figure, if used right you can use it to bait a trap. Additional Point: Confirmed by Mercer, there is no limit to the amount of Echos you can summon. The only restriction til you get to Level 18 is one at a time. Hope this helps someone :D

I'm playing an echo knight in my current campaign and this helps clear up some confusion that we had

Currently running a Warforged Echo Knight/Assassin. Ranged build. I am enjoying it immensely.

I love this I'm totally doing a Echo Knight/Druid of the Moon Tiefling with Glaslia and Rakshasa halfbreed (Homebrew Chatacter). Using the Echo gained from a RP processing of hellish dream training to obtain the use. Use Echo knight to level 8 obtain sentinel, savage attacker, and charger, then multiclass to Druid Circle of the Moon straight on to level 10 with 2 gained feats of mage slayer and war caster, when back to Echo Knight for the remaining amount maybe. Doing a globe troughting homebrew to get there which should be crazy fun.

This is so cool

My one party member used this, and we used the teleport swop a lot to spy on enemies without triggering initiative.

Fun video. Good review. And.. GO CATS!

I do love the Echo Knight concept, but I feel like it doesn't really explains well what they can do out of combat. Can we just make them walk 30 ft. ahead of us to set off traps, open potentially trapped doors, that kind of stuff? Can they communicate verbally, like, to NPCs? The book doesn't say anything about their potential out-of-combat uses...

Hmm...I could see this being great fun to play. The base fighter class can sometimes be a bit stale, so adding this on gives a little more utility, a few more options and a huge amount of rp fun times.

Currently playing a echo knight love it

I love this class multi-classed with the ancestral guardian Barbarian. A Barb with potentially 6 attacks in one turn at level 9, all reckless, AND you can impose disadvantage on any creature on the battlefield on anyone other than you... such great utility and damage.

Sounds pretty cool to me. I'd like to see what one plays like. What if you did a Echo Knight / Trickster Cleric? Oh! Or what about Polearm Master with your Echo?

With the Rp value, i think it should be higher by the whole nature of WHAT the echo is, now I think this is more for the DM to decide and then have the player(s) have to react to, how the echo works mechanically, is its a potential you from another timeline that never was, so it could be from just before when you decided to go left instead of right and now this other you found this nice shiny sword.... OR there is a nice shiny sword sticking through its abdomen OR this other you actually DID pick a card from the deck of many things and then you have a demon echo trying to fight it, OR this other you had just confessed its love to another party member and had been turned down and is very sad and keeps looking daggers at this other party member and refuses to protect him/her or at least resists a bit

What's cool is you guys gave it a 4.5 without even considering archery. I use mine to hide behind a tree or large stone and then pop out to see the battlefield and get my attacks. Then take cover again. You can do this all you want from a great point of attack. Yes any class can do this, but the power of being able to keep a character out that can soak up hits while not costing you anything but a bonus action is tremendous. If someone manages to get to you you can create your echo 15 feet behind it so you don't have disadvantages on the attacks. Or you can teleport away without provoking opportunity attacks. This is the best fighter class. Easily.

This sounds like it would be awesome to play

This is rad! Why am I just now hearing if this?!?!

You could role play your Echo Knight as a wraith Knight and the Echos are like wraith copies of said Wraith Knight. Or have it flavored Street Fighter Alpha 3's Vism style. Or extra flavor, give em the Hollow One Supernatural Gift. BOOM the Echos are Hollows made from fragments of your former life.

Even better: your echo can move in ANY direction and isn't hindered by difficult terrain so you could make it fly up or over a gap to hit a flying creature. Also, since it's not a creature, it is immune to certain AOE spells since those only Target creatures.

I play an echo knight in one of my Campaigns and in the game my PC woke up chained to the floor in a cage I manifested an echo out of the cage then body swapped 👌👌

I really want to play this class in a homebrew setting, reflavoring it as a tribal desert warrior who summons sand soldiers. (kind of similar to Azir from League of Legends) I love the game mechanics! The alternate timeline and potentiality lore doesn't appeal to me at all though.

I would house rule that the echo is indistinguishable from you so then enemy never knows witch one your are if you manage to come out of hiding or you and an echo change place while hiding to confuse the enemy that would be amazing

Any Monk + Echo Knight = Chaos on the battlefield. I'll just give a single example. The DM has set up 2 casters or ranged attacker in the enemy backfield that are each 20ft apart from each other. Got an Echo Monk? No problem, just send yourself after one and you Echo after the other and Stunning Strike both of them! Granted this isn't something you'd be able to pull off right away, you'd have to be at least 5 Monk / 3 Echo for that particular combination of abilities to come on line but it's still awesome. Then start adding in feats like Mobile or Sentinel and some of the extra class/subclass features depending on how you are leveling your character and things can get pretty wild.

I want to make a hill dwarf barbarian path of ancentral guardians and take a 3 level dip into echo knight - and flavour the echo as my ancestors joining in the fight.

Basically Noob Saibot from MK. I can dig it.

I play a Kobold Echo knight and pack tactics is INSANE with the echo

Ain't no jail, can hold my echo in.

this seems like one of the great pairings one could do with rogue/fighter, as the espionage potential aspect of the echo seems really cool with stealth and perhaps an arcane trickster great video guys :)

Would this work well combined with rogue to swap with your echo that is behind cover and regain sneak attack?

Just had a deliciously fun idea. Either shield master or Martial adept feat. Shield-master; shove it five feet into your shadow and then next turn shove it again. Martial adept shove it 15 feet and then another 15 feet.

So how does ranged combat work? Do you lose a shot arrow or do I summon them out of thin air?

Super! Smash! Brothers!!

Can the echo be used as a more advanced mage hand such as lifting objects and interacting with environment?

great i love your videos, after this can you cover the UA subclasses

Hmm ... can the echo influence the flanking rule? Giving advantage?

After 4 months of playing this class. Can confirm, BROKEN. If built right and poisons are used the damage potential is just.....unfair.....

the thing I didn't hear you bring up is that you can flank a target with your own echo. Effectively increasing damage!

So I think this is up to DM discretion could you in theory some in your echo at the other side of a hostile creature as a bonus action and then roll to hit with the flanking rule if your DM allows it And also thanks to auto correct, could your echo perform the health action, so you give yourself advantage anyways?

Omg if you multiclassed echo knight with trickery cleric! You could have the echo out then use mirropr image on the echo and summon the invoke duplicity!!

Echos can make opportunity attacks. Pole arm master/sentinel here i come. If the dm allows for unearthed arcana grabbing tunnel fighter fighting style and I'm in heaven.

A rogue Echo knight. Use the Echo to grapple or manifest it behind a target to get flanking meaning advantage, and sneak attack

Kinda curious if it would work with polearm master and sentinel. Make a wall standing 10ft apart from your echo.

I can see the value and potential in this class. However, I personally don't understand the hype surrounding this class. Many people are gushing and saying that this is the best fighter class EVER, but now that I finally learned about it I'm honestly underwhelmed. Again, I can see the value in it but nothing really makes me go WOW.

Does the echo have any vertical movement?. Meaning can you place it on top of a wall and then teleport on top of the wall? If it does have vertical movement can you use the teleportation to fly in a way

Playing a Tank with an Archer Echo would be fun. Then just have the Sentinel feat.

Also can you use the level 7 ability to go 1000ft away from you and then Teleport and switch places? If not, what's the maximum you can do on your turn with your movement? Seems like if you had a 45ft speed you could move 30ft then Teleport 30ft?

Does it create a flanked condition?

How would this Fighter subclass interact with the Sentinel feat?

Warforged echo fighter and the echo version is a hologram or something idk ^_^

So we added stands to D&D? A lot of the spells are very stand like too.

Wouldn't the echo be good for checking for traps?

So if you’re multi classed into barbarian and you pull your echo out then you rage does your echo also rage?

So can your echo use your attacks while you are invisible?

So it says that the Echo can move in any direction. Does that include going up (Flying)?

You guys said it gave no bonus damage, dosnt it give you an extra attack as a bonus action a few times pr day? An extra attack pr round is a bonus :)

Tabaxi echo knight conjuration wizard for a cheshire cat?

Hmmm does this mean that if you're working with your echo on one side and you on the other, it counts as flanking?

I've seen a lot of people mention that you can flank with your echo; this is unfortunately not true as the echo is an object and not a creature. HOWEVER this isn't necessarily a bad thing either since you can take advantage of this if you multi class into swashbuckler. The echo will not interfere with rackish audacity. Also, if you are a fighter using a shield with the protector fighting style, could you use your shield to impose disadvantage on attacks against your echo since its wording states "target" and not creature or ally?

could you start the turn with a long bow or something, create an echo, and change weapon, so you'd have an echo with a ranged weapon to cover ranged options and you yourself cover melee options?

With shadow martyr, can you throw the echo in front of yourself?

Finally I can be Virgil

Wonder. If your a 6 level Sheppard Druid. And summon your exho. Would it get the boost from the druid ability?

Would a Hexblade echo knight be any good?

So a Peter Pan shadow that’s ACTUALLY helpful? I love it. That’d be kinda funny to RP. The player is irresponsible and tries to avoid the consequences only to have his literal shadow go “no no no, we are FIXING this. We are NOT betraying them”. Or perhaps it’s like a Persona of your confident side that’s chaotic vs your meek lawful side.

So could you mix this with monk

What nobody talks about is the rp value of instantly teleporting 15 feet through a jail cell. 15 feet through a glass window, 15 feet in a forest from behind one tree to another and potentially having your echo be a distraction as it can move on your turn (out of combat can work too) and if you really wanna cheese it you can teleport from rooftop to rooftop or from the ground to the top of a 15 foot ladder, you can also make another rp bonus of instead of dodging an attack you simply teleport to your echo, and not to mention that this ability is FREE and takes about (correct me if Im wrong) a second to do since a turn is about 6 seconds long, meaning in an rp context.....you can in theory teleport 15 feet in the air every second as a Echo Knight as a bonus action....the description says Unoccupied space so that's how I take it. Now yes maybe the Dm wont allow this fighter cantrip of a subclass feat be a free teleport that suddenly makes you feel like you drank a whole case of redbull and got you 30 pairs of wings(yes, pairs) but the rest of what I said is within the rules of the ability as it is 15 feet unoccupied of what you can SEE within 15 feet of you, one more thing.....you cannot get opportunity attacked when you teleport to your echo and even if it were by the Dm that you were basically being attacked at that moment it is magically swapped and the thing is the hit would have to deal with the Echo AC and and new position. This is my overall breakdown of that one specific ability in terms of how it would function in a day to day game. Thank you for reading.

hi guys!! how many times can we summon the echo per day? unlimited? can i move me and the echo at the same time?

Echo fighter lvl x + Rogue lvl 1 = self sneak attack setup?

This mixed with rouge = most excellent cat burglar

Combat is not all about damage sheesh... combat is a 5 for this one.... the fighter already has a lot of damage..and this gives an extra attack from your echo, so when you have two can they both attack and can you teleport to both?

Would this make kobold one of the strongest races ever? Assuming our precious DMS allow use a pair of sunglasses?

so it’s the same type of stand as star platinum...

I don’t think i caught it, but is the echo limited only to melee attacks? I can just imagine a firing squad of longbows.

How would sentinel feat work with echo knight?

And... Is it incorporeal? Can you just mentally move it past a wall or door and then switch places with it? It's an image... That suggests an illusion?

Ok so maybe *this* is the class for a displacer beast character. Echo Knight, way of the astral self monk, shadow sorcerer multiclass? He's got to have Mage Hand for rp obviously or I'd skip the caster levels. He's so strong racially I don't have to double down so hard on offense and shadow sorcerer has some highly flavorful stuff.

Omg Matt Mercer created leblanc from LoL as a fighter haha

Yo are you a UK fan or do you live in kentucky?

So I've not seen anyone get excited by this fact. The echo can attack up to 5 times, so if you use an action surge at level 20. You would have two echoes that can attack 5 times each plus your 8 attacks. That's 18 attacks and it isn't limited to only once per attack as per the verbiage. On top of that your Echos are you I don't see any ruling that feats do not apply to the Echoes. So though some abusive mechanics would be using a polearm with the Echo. Tunnel fighter UA feat, and Sentinel. Easily done by level 5 with variant human.