I used this example to explain this to my friend who loves movies. How would you feel if you went to see a movie in the theaters and the special effects weren't done. But a disclaimer at the end told you that everything would be fixed on the Blu-Ray release.

You can tell this man knows exactly what he's talking about. Josh has stated many times that he used to work in several business related workforces and as a business major myself his line of thinking is exactly what those who excel and I strife to be, do.

@@Sideshownicful It's not quite the same, but anime BD releases usually are improved with animation and effects, or maybe they redid some things to be better, but that's more like a QoL patch than selling an unfinished product. A usually very expensive patch...

@@Sideshownicful there is a great different, a movie problem can be catch much easier than a game bug, all softwares have bugs and always will. I'm not defendind amazon, i agree with Strife, just saying is not the same thing.The solution is more time doing BETA and ALPHA tests.

The gaming industry does face a unique challenge that most other industries don't, and that is that every system that the game runs on (at least if it's on PC or phones) is going to be different. Even if I buy the same parts as my friend, due to factory differences, they are going to be SLIGHTLY different. That's why even with the same batch, not all hardware responds exactly the same. Add to that software differences, operating system versions and patch levels, driver update status, etc etc etc, and you end up with a beautiful mess that's sometimes impossible to diagnose. But, having said all that, they could do better. A whole hell of a lot better.

Go back to SoT yah nerd! Jk love you.

So it's just like Blizzard ignore working on bad systems untill either: Somebody makes a YT video about it, posts it on Twitter, the player base drops by over 50% (January this year to July this year for Shadowlands) or it gets featured in a news article. One thing to give Blizzard critical bugs are often fixed the same day or withing 2 hours once and are very rare and hard to reproduce. Unlike New Bugs where all you need is a lag switch, or just using a hatchet as you main dps weapon.

The best QA for this game is not paid by Amazon

release more sot tutorials

They already disabled it before the video dropped because the gold duping bug became really widespread.

But it is amazon, a small indie company, cut them some slack.

it's Amazon, the company is old enough to drink alcohol worldwide, I don't get why people protecting them so much, if the game has big flaws, then we just have to hold them up against them, it's not like Amazon ever did something for us anyway. It's not acceptable to have everyone standing still when in the flag at war, it's not acceptable for there to be 3 new bugs everyday. I'm constantly joking about it "This is the content, we have new content on the daily, today we got hatchet exploit, tomorrow maybe musket" but it really makes me want to quit.

I think the main issue are players that was hyped and love the game. Such players often react that way, that they don't want to accept bad things about their game. And as long they have fun they also wont hear any bad thing about it. That is this what I do not know does not make me hot effect, I don't know if this German saying also exists in English. It means what I didn't know can't effect me and here my game fun.

@@restfulori212 it goes even further then that, there’s this bizarre notion that if you say something is poorly made then somehow that automatically stops people from being able to like it, when all it does is point out flaws not how you feel

@@Hoto74 we have a similar saying in "what you/they/I don't know won't hurt you/them/me".

exactly, bugs that Blizzard had in 2004 are totally inexcusable almost 20 years later, especially because back then, there was no gold standard of MMO quality. Now there is, because we worked out all the best-practise things.

It sounds like a handshake to the client. Doing all the processing on the server, sending that data to the client who then verifies it or has to receive it first and then the server pushes the changes to itself and the other nearby users. If the server doesn't get its response from the client it doesn't push any data. Just because the method wasn't what Josh Strife Hayes said it wasn't doesn't change the reality that the problem exists because of manipulation by the client, and the whining apologists who want to pretend otherwise are hurting themselves more.

@@theonlylunarmage The good thing about that is: This should make fixing the issues way easier, as there may be no need for a deep rework of server infrastructure.

The fact that amazon took the comments about client authoritative actions to mean people thought a multiplayer online game was purely client authoritative, is just them constructing a giant strawmen. No mmo would even remotely work, if it was fully client authoritative and a game developer of all people would know this. They interpreted the remarks in a ridiculous way, to be able to shoot them down and fool people, who don't have the research capability to read a single wikipedia article... Obviously it worked on a huge group of people.

Hell their own post stating that it wasn't client authoritative had statements such as ~'the server is waiting for the client to send data'~ which is an argument of semantics vs the definition of client side authoritative.

@@DocGamer99 At the same time being offended on behalf of a game made by a company that should have standards higher than what they delivered on is anti-progress. There’s no reason to see someone pointing out undeniable flaws and be mad about it.

agreed. i dont need to be a movie director to call a movie shit.

100% im extremely interested in this game and really want to try it. However, I don't want to go into a game where the hacking and exploit doors are fully open

And those people probably can't even make a decent video on KZfaq to retort, so they're basically hypocrites

What's your Go-to mmo at the moment and why? @rose

I fucking hate it as a response. it's as if the person using such a reductive argument thinks they some how "win" something when in reality all they are doing is exposing how petty and small minded they are. Although it does serve the practical purpose of alerting me to the fact that it's someone I no longer need to waste anymore time talking to.

Well in their defense, most of the game works, so if you never encounter these glaring problems, then it's not very surprising that this is their response. It doesn't excuse the game being badly coded though.

Yet the people who complain about the "cat piss smell" still continue to go to the house over and over. Aka the ppl complaining about the state of the game still play it all the time. You can just not go to the house if you don't want to smell cat piss. You can wait until it gets cleaned and no longer smells like cat piss. Or, you can keep going to the house expecting it not to smell like cat piss, only driving yourself insane. If it is such a huge issue, stop playing for now and wait for fixes; stop going to the cat piss house and expecting it to smell like roses.

@@IronEagle990 it's almost like they want the game to be better because they actually like it. It's not like people going back to play the game are wrong for addressing the multiple problems with it.

@@IronEagle990 so if I have a friend who lives in poor conditions, I should just either, A. Give up on them, or B. Accept it as reality and nothing else? Sound as hell logic. How about actually caring? No this game isn't good, no its not okay that people have to keep playing it, in its current state. Yes, it should be fixed.

Well they are telling the world that they have pretty low standards and are very easy going

and then upon hearing the guy next to you crying out "help me I'm bleeding!" "That sounds like a you problem"

@Denshoni Based

@Avonir Avidan ck ck

@Avonir Avidan yes but actually no, his example is more extreme but it's actually already happening. most people dont give a fuck about other people's problems, even when those problems could have happened to them. And some of those problem can cost people's life. Even if we ignore the problems occurring in different parts of the world like starvation and poverty while the west is being wasteful which are problems that feel too distant from us. what about the poor people in america who live in the hoods and can get shot any day from a drive by? or the homeless people, drug addicts, prostitutes and kidnappers, etc. why is it that most people continue their daily life and ignore those problems without doing anything about it? why is that the government of america can spend billions of dollars on who knows what and random projects and what not, but it cant spare even 1% of its military budget to help its own people and how come it seems like nobody even cares? Its not exactly the same, but it's not far off. everyone (lets be fair and say "most people" instead of "everyone") knows those problems exist but most people dismiss them because it's not their own problem that other people suffer from injustice.

I'm just imagining airlines being held to the same standard. "It's a new airline; there's bound to be a few crashes." "Sure 20 passengers died, but I was fine, so I don't see what you're complaining about."

*Laughs in American car*

Oh right I forgot that a piece of hardware is the same as a GAME that has millions of lines of code

you also don't pay £40 for a new car for lifelong usage though, do you?

People have been buying half baked/broken games for years, years! Nothing will chang e

@@pixeljauntvr7774 OH right cuz cyberpunk, wow, ffxiv and others all had PERFECT launches. 0 bugs, no issues at all. Obviously

TotalBiscuit... and now I am sad

Biscuit would be proud

I miss that man so much. I'm almost in tears

Also he's got that accent

rest in peace, angry British man. Your legacy lives on in all of us

I think most of the people getting mad even at fair and reasonable critique are just kids who are scared that you're going to take away their game or make them realize that the thing they like isn't that great, making them admit they made a "mistake", thus they directing their anger at the ones speaking true. Explains how game journalists don't actually play games yet praise them unconditionally... because the majority of the vocal audience you're working with, are kids.

@Lassi Kinnunen 81 if it in turns makes the bar fix that problem and give me and everyone a better product in the future then it would be worth

"Therefore critisism of a game is much needed and should be appreciated." Slight correction. You have an *obligation* to point out the flaws in the things you love. Imagine having someone you love being addicted to crack and just saying "oh well I dont want to be a dick and point out they are killing themselves" Or even worse supporting (IE giving them money) their habit.

@Lassi Kinnunen 81 so basically the only people salty about JSH here are the people everyone hates? ^^ Well then, good I say. Let them seethe in their rage.

The truth is that the most vocal, most "hardcore" gamers don't really want freedom of speech and journalistic integrity. They just want the voices that annoy them to shut up. And that is just one more of the several problems the industry has.

Beethoven wasn't a deaf piano player, he never performed again after becoming deaf only after his passing did people learn why he suddenly quit all social functions. He composed music instead.

Yea man fight tha power!!!! Calm down and go listen to your Rage Against the Machine albums

@@guunyu321 oh another cringe comment of yours. He is right. Sit down soy boy you are aggressively online.

​@@guunyu321 Let me guess, just like you did on the previous videos, you are scrolling down the comment section looking for opportunities to defend Amazon, that small powerless indie company. I'm sure Amazon will be so so pleased with you! What a good boy!

@@vbm4780 Nah I have a hunch that he (Guun Yu) is just trolling.

@@Valvad0ss cringe you followed me. How bout skipping to another video if this topic actually doesn’t bother u. I can do wut I want!!! And super omega cringe. You said soy boy unironically. Which incel sub Reddit are you apart of?

TotalBiscuit... rest in peace

Rest In Peace that magnificent voice. I miss him to this day

I was just going to say that. This video has such TB vibes it's awesome. Thank you Josh. Keep fighting for us.

A legend reborn

James Stephanie Sterling is *annoyingly* passionate about that too, if that's your kinda thing. I'm not the biggest fan of their ranting, (or any gamer rants) but they are definitely very pro-consumer when it comes to games.

Perhaps. I respected TB for what he did. I also read from other sources he had an inflated ego and was a dick. It's always said, never meet your heroes.

@@xenxander Possibly. His off-camera personality aside, what I was referring to was his journalistic integrity, something that TB was very well known, and widely respected, for. That is something that Josh keeps showing that he has in large supply.

"Wow didn't have any endgame content when it was released" oh man I'm triggered everytime I read that line and knowing people saying it they were not even born when wow came out. It's true wow launched in a not so good state but it was a game released in 2004... Excusing that a pioneering game released in 2004 was flawed compared to one release in 2021 with the genre fully developed and evolved during more than 17 years it's just being stupid.

@@Colouh fully developed and evolved during more than 17 years... Thanks, I lay now under my chair laughing. But I think WoW was not that broken, and also you where not in 4 weeks at maximal level, at that time leveling was much slower.

@@Colouh it says something about a person/game when they are the first to do something bad, it says even more about a person/game when they are the second to do it.

It's not even doublespeak some of it is just straight up lies. They claim that "at no time are the clients making decisions or “freezing” characters in place - if character are frozen it is because the client is behind on drawing, but the server simulation continues." which is undeniably false as if that were the case then other people would not be able to see a frozen character floating as the correct information should be on the server.

They don't care about what you report. Only about what a wide range of people gets to learn about.

*_Fatality_*

I literally can name a fix that Amazon probably never even came close to doing, have the Auction house do a CONSTANT update check of your inventory and storage to make sure the items on it are still there, if it detects that there's a discrepancy with either the player's inventory of the player's storage then that buy/sell order is AUTOMATICALLY cancelled from the house and because the discrepancy was the items for that order no longer being present you get nothing back and ANY money you might have gotten when that order was placed will automatically be refunded back to the player that purchased the items in question.

It's just revealing how they themselves think

i wish people stopped taking every criticism so personally, happens on every game no matter how good or bad, you can't point out flaws or things that can be improved cause you are now automatically a hater

Some of these people just make a game their identity and it’s pretty wild for the lengths they will go to attack any criticism about it

@@DocGamer99 true but it’s very reasonable to call the makers incompetent when the makers are part of one of the most massive and wealthy companies on the planet. There’s no real reason that Amazon should entirely fail at making 2 games and finally release a third one that is still crazily populated by bugs and huge issues even more than a ubisoft game

@@DocGamer99 Maybe he did the incompetent thing. But he never said the game is bad, nor did he say the people enjoying the game are bad. As far as normal people can see, he's not breeding a toxic community. Just exposing one.

Hi, trash player here who did exactly what you described on wow private servers. You're 100% correct. I'm still hoarding a bug related to the hunter pet ability 'Dive' which enabled me to gain permanent +80% movement speed on my character. To this day the bug hasn't been submitted to any of the github bug trackers of any of the wow private servers so it's safe to say that I am if not the only person who knows how to reproduce it, among a very small group of people who do. And you're completely correct, the best way to make sure that bugs are fixed is to make them publicly known among the players because people will abuse them and the devs will pick up on what's going on. That said I never actually abused the bug for my own gain. I just enjoyed the feeling of knowing that I had access to something exclusive, almost like a coveted secret that only I knew about.

"You CANNOT change my mind," is an incredibly poor stance to take on something like that. You've closed yourself off to taking in new data, considering differing points, and making the best decision for yourself. You're locking yourself into your current path, regardless of how tenable it is.

@@PrettyGuardian you would be right, if the context was something entirely different...

@@PrettyGuardian u know what a hyperbole is?

Whoever is saying not to report bugs has a brain the size of an atom. Reporting bugs literally helps Devs bookmark and eventually dive into a fix for said bug

Very true, Josh reminds me a lot of TB and that's great, need more level-headed pro-consumer voices like his

Damn ninjas cutting onions.

Whenever stuff like this happens, I feel a pang of sadness knowing that we'll never get to hear TotalBiscuit's take on it. That guy had a way with words. I miss him.

RIP TB!

:(

The internet has always been like that. Its not just "these days"

Exactly. It's like saying my $5 got me a terrible book so it's fine that half the pages are missing and it's riddled with spellings errors.

plus, Josh isn't even saying "don't play this game". He keeps saying "if you love the game, have fun!" How can anyone disagree with this?!

@@Nerobyrne Well, I'm saying "don't play this game." At least not until the fix it into something worth paying for. Paying for crap just means companies will keep making crap.

@@troodon1096 Well, I didn't have any bad experiences playing it so I guess they did.

@@Nerobyrne you can‘t even see shit when it‘s thrown in your face… big skill!

Holy shit the game is done

That shows the game foundations are useless, they will have to do the old trick: go to file | new project and start from zero.

Link to post? I want to read the responses to the broken game on their forums lol.

@@botousai I found the video on the subreddit

Lol i stopped playing this beta of a game with the trading post bug, the economy has been corrupted beyond repair now.

Agreed, it's very naive to think large corporations like amazon would care for "values" or have any greater moral in mind while doing their business. They do care for profits and that's it.

But theres that Amazon propably doesn't want to put out a cash grab and lose every gamer's trust for eternity. It's a way bigger market than something they would just abandon for quick profit.

And they already got the money. Based on the $40 for the standard edition and the reported sales numbers, they got $180 million out of this.

Except they do, I have never seen a game have back to back updates, I think in one week they updated 3 times.

@@arbellason2094 not as big as MMORPG but in dota2 sometimes I get multiple updates in a day during especially during event they will fix bug and exploit within hours or minutes after it being found

Something must be very broken with you

@@kirilsmedvedevs3369 You have confused "you" with "me".

@@kirilsmedvedevs3369 Nah. Watching 30 year old men screeching about their vidya is always fun lad.

@@kirilsmedvedevs3369 Cringe

I can easily believe how games are buggier than before, unfortunately. The IT industry as a whole has "streamlined" to the point where it's amazing half this stuff even starts. I'm in IT, and every time I log into one of the online trade shows, it's all about getting more features done with less people. Think of Microsoft who axed their QA team back in 2014, and now printing on Windows breaks in a brand new way every month. Nobody thinks about slowing down and getting it right the first time; instead they look at Amazon who said they release something every 11.7 seconds and they think that's the gold standard.

When you were a kid, the games probably came in a CD if you were lucky, and especially single player games needed to be complete because there was no internet (not fast enough when there was) to be downloading several gigs of patches. Nowadays is feed them whatever you got done over the weekend, "it'll be fine". And it is fine, look at the crowd of fanboys they gather, ready to defend the state of these titles.

I'm nearly sixty and been gaming for 40+ years, enjoyed aspects of NW but man oh man what a pathetic excuse for quality assurance. I ground to 60, it was fun, and now it's very much not. Hopefully they address the major flaws.

@@studiesinflux1304 It's because the IT industry, particularly in the realm of application/software development, the Agile methodology reigns supreme. My company recently changed methodologies from six sigma to agile and the quality of our output has declined. Not a fan, but almost no escaping it in the development world.

@@Kronx1970 I wouldn't blame it all on Agile, what project managers often don't understand is that while Agile methodologies often result in more features being delivered faster, it also results in more technical debt, which then needs to be repaid. But in my experience, project managers see features working and then move on. They don't pay back the debt, and they don't allocate enough time to developers to go back and thoroughly test things and fix bugs.

Well, it kinda is the job hes doing tho. Normally studios hire people to find and report bugs for them, but somehow I doubt Amazon Games has sent Josh a paycheck recently...

@@TheSpeep LoL

@@TheSpeep he just rants about bugs others have found lol

@@Zeromaus Well if other comments are being ignored for months...

@@TheSpeep Well if they did that, you wouldn't have the issues you do now. So apparently Amazon didn't pay anyone to find bugs. Lols. Did they pay you to suck em off?

Lol

But amazon already has your money...

Yeah i couldnt agree more at this point in the game industry. We’re constantly seeing games come out half baked and managed poorly and the poor devs are stuck in the crossfires overworked and underpayed at times. Then what do we see over and over after a deep dive into what went wrong? Management and corporate did xyz or didn’t do xyz. While the business side of gaming is important, it feels like the corporation of game companies have lost sight of just making a good game and having it just organically make money instead of just trying to squeeze out all the money they can out of a game for 6 months and drop the game.

That may work with Jagex, a relativaly small comapny when compared with what amazon is, so it wont work like that, if they smell the game dying they'll pull the plug like they did it before with other games and say "oh well another millons wasted i guess, time to exploit more workers and try another game, maybe a moba.", this time it aint so simple as protesting like jagex, i think Josh is doing an amazing job covering this game, maybe with him and the comunity making some noise to change it, if they game loses too much player base or has jagex style protesting, its over.

sounds quite anti-corporate of you...

@@rezonance4937 watch steve jobs video "how xerox failed" really lays it out front and center. And corporations almost don't even need lawyers anymore,they have so many brainwashed sheep doing the fighting for them for free!

You think that he’s doing it for free and not getting ad revenue and support from viewers?

@@davidebinger7240 So at what point of this are the devs paying him though?

@@davidebinger7240 you know if he hated the game, he could just... Make videos on other games, right?

@@davidebinger7240 he can still get viewers by covering other games.

I forgot the purpose of playing a game has changed since their advent.

@@mohidwaseem7997 Doesn't me it's ok to sell a faulty product.

.... but what if i am having fun? does that make you mad? sounds like it does. how sad....

@@mohidwaseem7997 except people saying that are often using it as an excuse to dismiss constructive criticism and justify bad business practices. You can enjoy a game even if it's shitty, but if that enjoyment is blinding you from objective flaws, then those opinions are hardly useful.

"but i'm having fun!" isn't a handwave to all the bugs in the game.. its a counterargument to the people crying that the game is worthless. Just because youre having fun doesnt make the bugs any less annoying; pointing out the good is just as effective in polishing a game as pointing out the bad

Fix a bug is a dev job, play the game and understand how it work is a player job. The issue is the either one of them demanding more than the others. However, it’s always the devs who control their products so they need to make it on playable and interesting not negative affect the overall experience of the gameplay. Otherwise, there is no point to shout out problems that they have to fix.

Yea don’t mindlessly defend the game. But also don’t mindlessly think everything this guy says is true. Look how he spreads misinformation about client vs server side authority without any knowledge on the concept

@@guunyu321 It also wasnt entirely misinformation tho, It was somewhat incorrect, but many of the problems cropping up ARE from the power the client holds. It was wrong in that instance, but it isnt in many of the duping exploits, or the trading post bug.

@@guunyu321 still, at least watch the video. Even if he gets thing wrong, Josh is only trying to expose these stuff to help. If things aren’t said, it would have gotten worse. The videos put out helped Amazon fox the bugs. They even got in contact with Amazon to fix the bugs. A person who truest cares for a game is one who is willing to say the flaws so that the creators can improve. It’s like art, the artist cannot improve or fox a mistake if they aren’t told what needs improving or fixing.

@@thephantomx6467 I’m not calling JSH a bad guy nor am I saying he’s acting in bad faith. I’m simply saying he was spreading false information that is detrimental to the product with no knowledgeable authority to do so. He may have had good intentions but he was spreading misinformation

@@guunyu321 with no knowledge or authority. Hahahahahaha sit down dude. You are aggressively online.

Holy crap. Have not played, not planning to, but after watching this video, it seems like half of the UI event click sounds are gun fire or explosions, WTF. "You've just purchased five salmon, KABOOOM!" I don't even like it when they're little musical notes or shuffling paper sounds, but this is a whole new level of absurd.

Oh shit

It's more of an issue when players defend the problems instead of calling them out as horrible.

@@Zero2k0 Exactly.

You can always choose not to be ignored. Try getting a refund from them and stop playing. Make it public in one of their channels when they deny you the refund and never buy a product of AGS again. Done.

I still can’t believe they didn’t bother with a proper private bug report form. Or at least have bugs reported that forums moderators privately.

that sort of thing goes to show that they don't have people employed with a good enough understanding of their own systems and coding experience to recreate the issues in house unless you talk to them like they're 5 years old and hold their hand through the whole process, which for some extremely niche things i could maybe understand, but when it's glaringly obvious stuff that's just under qualified/inexperienced staff.

@@mikoto7693 hah. I mean, from all the bugs coming to light (especially those solved years ago in other indie MMOs like WoW [/s]), it doesn’t surprise me.

@@rogoth01themasterwizard11 to be fair, I don’t expect devs of any game to be able to look at a bug video and go “oh, I know how that happened” 100% of the time. Requesting reproduction steps is super common (and common sense), but there should be an avenue for private submission for egregious / malicious bugs

@@rogoth01themasterwizard11 Honestly, I think it's standard fare in IT work to have the user provide steps to replicate the problem, even if it is a simple thing like "I can't login to the service". My job has at times involved addressing such requests, and while a deft understanding of the infrastructure helps and can even have me fixing the issue without contacting the customer, I always appreciate when the ticket includes steps for replicating the bug when I get it, instead of not having it and having to bug them. I feel the issue is that Amazon is treating a game the same as any other IT service and not adapting to the standards for services that MMOs have. In this case, there are many places online where you can find IT forum posts that describe and ask about resolutions for specific issues users are facing, which are replied to in public by company employees. I believe Amazon has co-opted this system without realizing or considering that other users of the game can replicate this with little effort, or did not care. After all, Amazon is used to caring about issues that involve customer data, or confidential/proprietary information; compared to that, issues that happen in a game, that only affect things in the game, likely mean very little to them. That's why I don't trust them yet. They aren't a gaming company; they're a monolithic company that's trying out gaming. If the games go under, they're still sitting pretty raking in billions on everything else they do. Why would they stick their neck out for this?

Every day my game has a queue every day i chat with my faction by and large only a small percentage of people abuse these exploits. Also its silly to think that AGS wont correct the effects of said abuse and or ban the abusers. In the grand scheme of things this game can only get better and the powers that control the server now likely wont effect how things turn out. Either they wont be able to win cuz they relied on exploits, or there rosters were banned, or got burnt out cuz thats typically what happens to me when I enable cheats in my single player games

Who cares if this restaurant is serving out of date beef? I only eat the chicken dishes so I don’t see the problem.

Bro chill

@@Beeftitan I hope you realize exploits completely destroy economics even if only a few people do them. They also spread like viruses, ideally you want the exploits to be fixed BEFORE they spread and ruin the game and people leave, not after. Are you some kind of idiot who only pays their bills only after the light goes out or do you pay them preemptively?

Indeed, great points.

It's not even oversight. It's an unfinished game.

The main thing that I just expect all multiplayer games to have on launch is server stability issues. I'm not sure there has been an anticipated service or feature launch that has NOT run into connection issues at the start no matter how well a company tries to anticipate it.

@@Kalatash I don't care about the launch stability issues. That is actually a very difficult problem to get around (though being Amazon, they certainly could have done better). The bugs are at a cartoonish level of absurdity though. The state of the game is completely unacceptable.

I always wonder why those people sells unfinished products. If this was a car then the total human population will decresed by 10%.

@@norcalbowhunter3264 it’s not exactly the same though. If a new car malfunctions, that could potentially cost people’s lives. On the other hand, if a game malfunctions, the worst thing to happen is you don’t get to play the game and maybe frying your computer which is bad but it isn’t losing a life or a limb bad. That’s why things such as vehicles and food are held to very high standards since they can impact a person’s wellbeing.

welcome to the club. ^^ Only a select few games are being bought early access, and I've not regretted 'missing out' on others. Now let's go watch some Jimquisition to keep an eye on what shady business these companies are up to recently and know when they will ever deserve our money.

I love the game, and it was given to me--purchased by my son. I don't play it, though, because the lag is so bad I can't get anywhere to do anything. JSH is correct in his stance on how games should be ready to play on release. New World was *_not_* ready to play and should have been released in 2023 rather than when it was released. Same for their graphics engine "Lumberyard."

@@ferinzz Jim may be a bit of a nutter, but I will always respect that he holds true to what he believes (in regards to certain things that we are privy to). He may very well be a hypocrite elsewhere, as can we all sometimes be.

I've been waiting till the game is 1-2 years old before buying now. Generally cheaper and they've usually fixed the game breaking bugs by then.

Partially. And you can’t find a single game that doesn’t have a client server hybrid that is a total lagfest

I was literally about to say the same

I bought it because my brother bought it

Sadly, the industry has been this way for years at this point. Game comes out: streamers/youtubers get checks to say good things about the game.

that is so true.. i remeber times when even beta tests been for normal ppl more accessible. Now they throw betas key to streamer promote the game and they even bother report bugs etc.. For company its almost free add and streamer get views...

I love the act man and i have to skip that video.

The Act Man has been a shill since the start. He's kind of a crumby source of information and pinions anyways. Point is don't put so much emphasis on youtuber opinions.

It's not as simple with MMOs sadly. If you wait for too long you might be way too behind everyone else that started day one and in some cases catching up is extremely hard or impossible. So people are taking a bigger risk when it comes to MMOs. It's also fun to be there at the start too but sometimes (like in case of New World) after a couple weeks you might realize that what you bough isn't that great. You should go in with that risk in mind. Some are fine with that, you got your moneys worth and had fun move along. But for someone else the money spend isn't that easy to get by and they went in with the expectations of sticking around for much longer. Those people get shafted and might be stuck there high on copium that it isn't as bad as everyone says.

Got many games on release, and never had an issue. People just need to stop overhyping obvious steaming dumpsterfires for some unfathomable reason and get back to turning their brains on when buying games. But yeah, since people forgot how to do even the minutest of due diligence, the general advice is probably better suited as "wait a bit to buy a new game".

Buy? this game is going to be F2P in a year. people here techincally paid to play-test all the bugs xd

@@marleybismark If a game gives any player, who joined in a couple weeks or months late, a significantly worse player experience than their first day customers, I'd say that is simply bad game design.

@@marleybismark "way too behind" that sounds like a personal problem. If you care about being "behind" someone else then that is your own ego. Idc if most of the playerbase quit before I got there. I get to enjoy a non-broken game with years of content updates that they quit while it was bare and broken.

Exactly. If the Client did not have the power over those calculations, then freezing the window would not have broken them the way it did. By definition, that makes at least that portion of the game Client side.

Yes exactly that.

I think they were "technically" correct, imo they are more manipulating people with a clever use of language, not sure I'd say it gets all the way to gaslighting. They took Josh's claim to mean that the client has full authority and then refuted that, saying instead of no server side authority, there is some server side authority. So the answer to the basically irrelevant question: "Is there any server side authority?" (because there has to be, it's an online game) the answer is "Yes, there is server side authority." Either way it is crazy manipulative, especielly because basically every mmorpg has a hybrid model with some server and some client side authority anyway, so even assuming Josh meant that only one was the case is creating a strawman of his statement.

i played the pre alpha, and literally nothing has changed except the lighting effects have improved about 10x

The project ended on the town board you can still turn then in with the little button at the bottom right sometimes you have to use your brain to figure shit out not complain there are problems but town boards arnt one lol

100% any uneven or raised surface, ice storm doesnt register on the mob.

@@nottoc30 I've had the same thing happen, it wasn't timed off the board. It was a fresh quest. The board will appear completely blank only to re appear seconds or minutes later not having any relation to the top right countdown timer for new quests.

@@voltpoweredvibes same, I've had the same thing happen to me yesterday and it was super anoyying.

People who have lost their love of a game won't say anything, they just leave. They won't even complain. As they say, the enemy of love isn't hate, it's indifference.

It's like gamers have Stockholm Syndrome or something

This is what delfy is doing to tf2 and he did a test on it, the glitch only got fix after he showed it. People are still getting mad.

its actually sad that companies need a scandal on social media these days to give customers a decent/fixed product .. i personally feel this is society in general these days across most industries unless their called out for there bullshit by a majority of people or youtubers and/or it hurts their $$$$ they just dont give a f..k.. no pride in their work any more its greed and money money money

I have absolutely no qualms in admitting I hated it from the get-go b/c it's just another Ark/Rust/7days clone minus any of the later Tech beyond muskets. Stop reinventing the wheel while claiming it's "Different this time" because it's located in a slightly different setting. With Amazon's money, they could have just bought out a struggling MMO that already had *way more* identity than this one, and used their money to fix all the problems in it. But instead all they've done is create a massive repository of nothing BUT PROBLEMS

People aren't mad because they think hes anti new world, they are mad because they dont want the bugs fixed, they enjoy abusing glitches for personal benefit and the ego trip with effectively having god status in a game and not getting in trouble for it because as long as the dev's dont fix it, it's fair game.

Take my like and leave.

@@Dumbass717 Thank you, Jesus

Maybe it should be JoshStrifePrays? Or his PuA channel, JoshStrifeSlays... Perhaps a channel on flower arranging, JoshStrifeVase?

Who?

@@Relbl 420 JoshStrifeBlaze

Exactly. I recently discovered this channel and felt those though this man understands and cares deeply for all players. Now thanks to this, my respect for Josh has peaked to new levels.

100% this. Admitting when you're wrong is one of the most difficult - but important - things that you can do.

Josh Strife Hayes also has my respect.

@@realityChemist but? What was he wrong about?

banana client side authentication I believe.

well with all those clickbaity hatespreading videos out there on almost any game that is popular..... no wonder some people who don't follow josh and just skim through some of his videos think he is just another rider on the hatetrain...

Hasn't quite topped Anthem for me but it's getting there

@@ArakDBlade But will it able to beat fallout 74 after that?

@@sjakierulez Honestly, Fallout 76 looks professionally made compared to this. The Anthem "drama" didn't even seem that entertaining to me, it was just a boring game.

@@sjakierulez I legit forgot about FO76 for a minute there. I'm not sure how.

@@ArakDBlade really? what about cyberpunk 2077? complete underpromise

It’s kind of like whistleblowing in the government or at a company. It’s causing more changes to occur in something.

Because chances are someone who already abused it to the max nows rules the game while you who had say 2 hours to 4 days of it got nowhere and now dont measure up. This happened when players on call of duty infinite warfare discovered infinite chest keys. Some players owned every item in the game versus those who only found out during the patched article and played fairly. The glitch abusers now own all legendary weapons to win every match while you have your basic or rare weapon. Fixing it only caused people to leave cause they cant be bothered to outplay the abusers.