Thanks. It is what it is. Sometimes it goes smooth and sometimes you can't get it to go smooth. I opted to have the first due engine (Rescue-1) to proceed straight in to attempt to make a quick hit on the visible fire from the window in the hopes that we could prevent the fire from advancing. They were flowing water within about 2 minutes of arriving. They didn't lose water, they ran out. Emptied their 750 gallon tank. The location of this fire is on the eastern side of the city, so all of the other responding trucks came from opposite end of town or came through Newark as a mutual aid unit. So, Engine-2 caught the first hydrant after a 7 minute response from Station-2. While there was a little confusion with who they were suppose to supply, they charged their hydrant to Ladder-3 at the 12:00 minute mark. Engine-52 (mutual-aid company) caught the second hydrant after a 10 minute response. I'm not sure why they opted to hand lay the 5" supply line across the parking lot, but I'm guessing that might have caused only a brief delay. They charge their hydrant at the 14:15 mark. I have to work within my means, meaning we are a small department that must rely on mutual aid to help us, especially during fires like this. I'm not saying they are incapable, only that I have to wait on that mutual aid to arrive before I can assign them a task. So alternately I could have had Rescue-1 stop and catch their own water supply. I'm guessing that would have delayed them putting water on the fire by an additional 30-45 seconds. Look at the video at the 5:50 mark when they started first water. Catching their own hydrant would have put first water at the 6:20 mark (and that's being generous). I think we can all agree that by the 5:50 mark the building is a write off and it's more about exposure protection, or knocking down the bulk of the fire to reduce the exposure issue. Essentially, I took a gamble that we might be able to get Rescue-1 in quick and stop this fire before flashover of the entire shop area. It didn't work out, and in this case the it didn't really cost me anything because the shop area flashed to fully involved and is therefore destroyed. After that it's just a water show and the end result is still the same. If we would have had fire out both garage doors when I arrived, I would have had Rescue-1 lay their own line. But again, at that point the building is a lost cause and it's about exposure protection. At the end of the day, what we really needed was 2 ladders and 4 engines on scene within 6 minutes. That would be awesome, but I can't even get the Newark trucks (Rescue-1, Ladder-1, Engine-2, and Ladder-3) on scene within 6 minutes, let alone my mutual aid companies. The deck is stacked against me. So my job is manage risk and minimize loss to the best of my ability. And I appreciate your comments. As long as we can respectfully discuss this, it helps everyone learn. I will try to post a video on the response to this to help everyone understand where everyone responded from. I'm going to pin your comment to the top because these are the various challenges that every department faces, and has to learn how to best manage this. Thanks and stay safe.

@@commandvisionfire thank you for your response and explaining the situation in depth from your point of view. Of course we can respectfully discuss things like this, after all we're all on the same team at the end of the day. You are right, unfortunately this is 1 of many battles that every department faces. We do not even have hydrants in our district, so I totally understand relying on mutual aid to arrive on scene and the challenges it presents. Again, I didn't want to Monday morning quarterback, really just wanted to pick your brain to learn. I look forward to seeing your follow up video and continuing to learn from your future videos. Thanks, I hope you and your team stays safe as well

@@justinjohnson3588 Thanks. And keep training because the job isn't getting any easier, that's for sure.

Great explanation chief! I too wondered why rescue 1 didn’t catch a hydrant on the way in, but your explanation of your strategy makes total sense. You do a great job, thank you for your service!

@@rfish3556 I'm not saying I'm definitely right or someone else would be wrong to lay in. Just my thought process at the time.

GARY HESS a fire is a battlefield

@@accdude92 I thought the fire was the enemy

Yes it was.

@@commandvisionfire It's not like you didn't start pointing out hydrants from the beginning...

​@@commandvisionfire i respect you guys and all you do! in rural maine we start flowing water once on scene but are lead truck (pumper tanker 882) has 2700 gallons and we have a 3500 gallon tender right behind us and a m.a 3000 tender 5 miles away that shuttles. we relay water to the attack engine . two total diff world's of firefighting water supply wise rural and city. but at the end of the day one team one mission chief stay safe.

@@commandvisionfire Nice job sir! Telling that engine to booster a hand line on itself instead of moving was if I may say, a totally ballsy move! Well called too. You know your crew and even with delays had confidence as to roughly when the water would come and factored it all in very appropriately. Days like this make you appreciate all the days it goes like clockwork. Well done.

Holy cow, that was painful reading your comment you keyboard firefighter

I’m in my 60’s (was on a big city real fire department) and now, volunteer with department where I’m the young guy.

Thanks.

Why did it take so long to get water to that fire.ive never seen that much time wasted. I've been a firefighter for over 30 years

Fire spreads every minute

I don't know if it's still available, but the Butler video of the Station fire gives a very visceral sense of how fast a fire can develop. He captured the fire from ignition to collapse of the building.

Thanks.

that shop is total gone wich sucks

Thank you.

Emergency was nearly required viewing when I was on the College of the Ozarks volunteer FD. All they need is Rampart to be complete. Good Times!

I got to Visit LaCo 127 and hang out a while back (127 was where they filmed most of the exterior shots) they have a Light Force (Tiller Ladder) and an Engine Company there is no squad, we have a 51 in Orange County FL as well at my department

KMG369

Thank you for the kind words. I am still volunteering for a small department where I live and teaching at my company cake l called Command Vision.

Yep, this one was definitely challenging. Wasn't as smooth as I would have liked, but we'll work out the kinks.

Learn from this one.... water supply.

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Should have made the whole building out of that stuff.

Considering the fire load and direct impingement that thing sustained hell yeah

Was wondering if anyone else noticed that lol

That building is basically a "pole barn"; metal skin on wooden framing. Typically residential style rafters/trusses. Dimensions are up-sized for roof size/slope and snow load in our area, but still uses plate connectors and such. Remember: the building is trying to kill you.

Congrats enjoy retirement brother!

Yep, this didn't go as smooth as I was hoping. Murphy threw us a couple of problems. This building is in a difficult block, and a little confusion with getting the hydrants laid in.

@@commandvisionfire Obviously I don't know the problems you faced but I would have pulled a supply line inbound first thing.

Steve Laminack look on the pinned comment top reply he explained the whole thing

no he didnt have engine tag and lay in right away

Man, Chief; that was a tough one. Thanks for sharing, it's always informative, even for buffs, to watch how your crews work.

Definitely a heavy fire load.

Thank you.

I agree with you they do an amazing job

@@thecoolguy2012 Thanks.

@@commandvisionfire you're welcome and stay safe out there and any new videos

All I see is a bunch of people walking around while someone's business burns. What a crock I'm glad I don't live there.

Thanks. Enjoy retirement. I'm looking forward to that is a couple of years.

This fire dep. Don't work.....

@@francescoparnaso2175 it was gone from the start

Auto repair shop, typically lots of flammable petroleum products stored on site and potentially gasoline in vehicles under repair if left inside. Stubborn and difficult conditions at best.

Thanks.

Florida Catholic Guy No FF’s were injured From the arrival size up one can discern that no matter what , this Building is gone

Tomorrow night at 9:30.

Thank you Chief. I noticed.

@@MooseP148 glad I wasn't the only one trying to play a video from a pic 😂😂😂😂

I am like you when it comes to monday quarterbacking, but it did seem like the communications sort of fall apart when attempting to establishing aerial operations and water supply strategy I think some times when you have a commander try to call and make every fire ground strategic decision there is a increased chance of having blips and mistakes to occur. It almost makes drivers/tower operators, engineers, etc. to become lazy when someone else is making and calling all the decisions on the fire ground! These operators should be a eble to essential read a commanders mind and be able to send guess what an order is about to be, Not constantly told every strep what and how to do a tasks!

I'd agree with ya except I'm in New York, and that response might take a while, lol!

@@ericpl7227 lol! I'm in northern Ky, he'd arrive in time to talk to the news team covering the fire!

Represent Qatar cf

And they’re woefully underpaid, especially in these smaller localities.

@@spider_hoss they should be making six figures

Pretty much

Please see my reply to the pinned comment at the top. I think this video will serve as a good training tool and discussion starter for several people. Our department SOGs specify the second arriving engine catches the hydrant and lays in unless told differently by the incident commander.

It didn't go as smooth as I would have liked, but the fire went out and nobody got hurt.

David Decker and that sir is what matters the most. Stay safe brother and keep up the masterful work.

Thanks. We are all doing well, and I'm thankful. I hope all is well with you. Stay safe.

Once the D side opened up, it was fuel/flash city. It was already getting air from the C window and once it broke through the roof B-C, it was a heating torch heating through to the D side where it really found some fuel and nothing available to cool it off.

@@crforfreedom7407 thank you for this information. i’m sure it’s distressing to the fd when they lose a building, but at least there were no casualties.

Usually commercial properties have private fire hydrants which might not be maintained as county fire hydrants.