Newer isn't always better! : The Legion 7 Gen 8 2023 (RTX 4070) vs Gen 7 2022 (Radeon 6700M)

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I was waiting for a generational leap in gaming laptops featuring 24 CPU cores with 13th gen intel processors along with the new 40 series Nvidia GPUs. What better way to experience them together than in a Legion device? I was in for quite a surprise as I started to get to know more about the 2023 8th generation Legion flagship 7 series. And this time, Lenovo even added a "pro" mark to it so I was really riding high on expectations. In Isolation, the newer model might seem like a decent deal to experience the latest and greatest but I wanted to compare it to the previous 7th generation to showcase to you all that THIS time around, making an upgrade is not as straight forward anymore. The following are the specs of the Gen 8 I have up on screen for reference:
2023 Legion 7 Generation 8:
-13th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-13900HX Processor (E-cores up to 3.90 GHz P-cores up to 5.40 GHz)
-NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4070 8GB GDDR6
-16 GB DDR5-5600MHz (SODIMM) - (2 x 8 GB)
-1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 TLC
-16" WQXGA (2560 x 1600), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, HDR 400, 100%sRGB, 500 nits, 240Hz, Narrow Bezel, Low Blue Light
-1080P FHD with Dual Microphone and E-camera Shutter
-300W
-WiFi 6E 2x2 AX & Bluetooth® 5.1 or above
-Windows 11 Home 64
2022 Legion 7 Generation 7:
-AMD Ryzen™ 7 6800H Processor (3.20 GHz up to 4.70 GHz)
-16 GB DDR5-4800MHz (SODIMM) - (2 x 8 GB)
-1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 TLC
-AMD Radeon™ RX 6700M 10GB GDDR6
-16" WQXGA (2560 x 1600), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, HDR400, 100%sRGB, 500 nits, 165Hz, LED Backlight, Narrow Bezel, Low Blue Light
-1080P FHD with Dual Microphone and E-camera Shutter
-300W
-Wi-Fi 6E 2x2 AX & Bluetooth® 5.1 or above
-Windows 11 Home 64
-Fingerprint Reader
Games / applications tested on this:
- Shadow of Tomb Raider
- Forza Horizon 5
- Horizon Zero Dawn
- Division 2
- GTA 5
- Farcry 6
- Red Dead Redemption 2 (RDR2)
- Assassins Creed Odyssey
- Gears of War
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- COD: Modern Warfare 2
- COD: Modern Warfare
- Hogwarts Legacy
- 3D Mark: Timespy / Speedway / Fire strike Extreme
Time Stamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:34 Device Specs
3:36 Outside First Impressions
4:10 RGB, no more!
5:41 Bells and whistles / Physical
7:39 Biometrics
8:50 Chassis Flex
10:16 Ports
11:23 Screen Hinge
11:52 Build Materials
12:31 Display
13:29 Sound
14:19 Software Features
17:31 Instability Issue
18:52 Thermals
20:58 Core Benchmarks
23:23 Gaming benchmarks
28:10 Conclusions (save your wallet!)
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@leverett7069 Жыл бұрын

You brother had given what other reviewers haven't. Gen to Gen comparison is what we need!

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Oh man. Thank you for finding value in my effort. I am glad you found my content to be useful. Cheers!

@lbenegas 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Helps us avoid making bd decisions. I have a lagion 7 2021, some was feeling tempted to buy the gen8. Now I see there is no big difference, and to be honest, my legion 7 is premium construction all around.

@charbelito941 Жыл бұрын

I hope people would realize what a gem Ali is providing, I really wanted to see how it compared to last gen, I, especially wasn't looking for the 4090s just a 3070ti comparable to a 4070 and my many questions have been answered in one video :) quality over the latest bells and whistles prevails :) thanks a lot for the keen and important insights that matter just subbed

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your kind words Charbelito! You made my day!

@DarkKnight2037 Жыл бұрын

It's seeming like for me, the wait will be worth it for the Legion Slim gen 8, since it will come with 100% DCI-P3. unless the Scar 16 comes cheap enough in i7 or Legion 7 does with miniLED

@mattnunez8660 Жыл бұрын

thank you for your thorough review - much needed - appreciate you

@Qsmtt Ай бұрын

very informative video man thank you for this!

@kazmiee Ай бұрын

Hey thanks Qsmtt. Really glad that you found my video useful. :)

@wojciechglac9334 Жыл бұрын

Great in depth comparison, bang on 👌

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Thank youuuu! means alot!

@msaniumar8293 Жыл бұрын

You deserve more subs fr! Keep up the good work! I’m considering buying the legion 7 gen 7 with the 6700m

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your kind words Umar. I am really excited for you to get the Legion. Which device are you using now btw?

@msaniumar8293 Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee I don’t have any pc now haha but I’m saving up to get the legion 7. I was at first thinking it the gen 8 legion pro 5i but for the same price I could get the legion 7 and they cut on the build quality and other stuff with the gen 8 so I’m going for the legion 7. I’ll be doing school work with it some programming and gaming too but just casual gaming I suppose this would do it just fine😆 I’m excited haha hipefully I get it soon!

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

@@msaniumar8293 ah nice. Im excited for you as well. I am hoping it treats you good and gives those macbook people in your class something to cry about as well. :P. I think tobii horizon features on this can especially be good in a classroom environment. Can blur your screen or lock the device when you look away. Keep track of your screen time an all. Amd's privacy view can also be helpful in some extreme cases. Overall, when I think about a laptop that can do everything without breaking the bank, this one is it. :) let me know when you get it and how your experience is as well. Happy to answer any questions as well

@msaniumar8293 Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee yess totally 😆 is the laptop really heavy to carry around? And also the gpu is the 6700m good enough for the average gamer?

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

@@msaniumar8293 honestly, with the massive 300w charge brick and the device itself weighing in at 2.5 kilos in a backback, along with for example school books, it actually might feel a bit heavy. You can fix that a little bit with the 135w type c charger which would be great for general productivity and even media editing work. But yeah overall, for mainstream gaming laptops for many manufacterers, that would be the case. BUTT. I think, the M16 from ASUS can also pose as a good alternative. Its the one I am currently reviewing. Weighs in at around 2.1 kilos with legion 7 like power and also understated looks

@gabead Жыл бұрын

I was able to purchase the 4090 version with 32GB 5600 ram for $2799 USD new. I didn’t follow last years model so for me I wouldn’t know the difference. I did have the 2023 SCAR 16 with mini led but idle temps we’re sitting at 60c so I took it back. I miss the screen though lol, but So far, I’m enjoying the Lenovo and feels to be good quality. The positive thing about Lenovo is the laptop feels and looks adult like.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

oh daaang; that 4090 variant must be a beast. That would have the vapor chamber for the GPU as well. But oh yes, Asus is terrible at making a laptop with understated looks; EXCEPT for the M16. That is currently the device I am reviewing ; I have been liking it a lot so far.

@sampadkar19 Жыл бұрын

How are the temps now?

@gabead Жыл бұрын

@@sampadkar19 This time it is 60C on GPU with Max settings. So big difference. I idle around 38-42C on CPU and around 55-65 when playing.

@himalaya396 Жыл бұрын

Very nice video informative 😮 i like these kind of videos ❤❤

@angelanguiano4338 Жыл бұрын

Great content i appreciate it.. i kind of want to get the legion 7 i 7 gen like how it looks compared to this years. But i really want to get the 4090 gpu. I need the best of the best gor 3d modeling and rendering.. also looking at the razor 16 for its mini led display i hear its good laptop but also has flaws. Like screen glitching. Track pad issues like ghosting and accidentally touching it woth your hands and hear fans are super load and gets hot like a toaster. I was about to get it. But it was total about 5000 with the extended warranty. So debating on which to get. Which one has better battery life. The legion 7 gen or 8 gen and how long can you use till you have to plug it in like if im just coding?

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Hi angelanguiano4338, sorry about the late reply! were you able to take a decision yet? Did you check my recent review of the AW X16? - I think it is an excellent alternative to the Razer at the moment. AWESOME thermals; though screen is not as bright as the legion; but is more color accurate. 0.73 inches and can go all the way 175Ws TGP. You can spec it to the 4090 and it will also be a little cheaper to the Razer. Though beware, the Razer Synapse equivalent, Alienware Command Center is an absolute dog egg! HOWEVER, it is still beastly and yet thin. :) If it is okay with you, do let me know if you have already gotten a device for yourself and which one it is :)

@Muzektech 5 ай бұрын

Subscribed just for your channel name 😂 great video!

@kazmiee 5 ай бұрын

Haha. Thank you! Thinking back, I certainly could have kept it simpler. Hehe. Appreciate the support!

@romznh 9 ай бұрын

good afternoon. I watched your review very clearly, keep up the good work. I can’t choose between Legion 7gen 7 r7 6800h rx 6850m xt(140w) vs Legion 5 pro core i7 13700hx and rtx 4060. What should I choose if I do graphic design photoshop and 4k video editing. Will there be a problem with 8vram in the future and with an explanation. Thank you

@kazmiee 9 ай бұрын

Thank you Romznh! Personally I love the Legion 7 gen 7. And I think the Radeon 6850M should be awesome and offer better performance over the 4060. For 4K video edit, especially if you are working with a lot of footage, physical RAM will become very important. For 3D graphical design, yes, the VRAM can be useful for high res textures. Generally for a gaming standpoint as well, modern games are demanding more VRAM as well. All of that considered though, specifically for Adobe applications, Nvidia and Intel seem to have a better handshake with those. They will offer faster render times for sure. If you are very specific about time saved there, Intel and Nvidia will be a safe move forward. But the Legion 7 gen 7 I think is an awesome machine overall.

@costasci Жыл бұрын

Do you think the ryzen rx6700m will be good for some year ? In other words, do you think the legion 7 gen 7 will last me for se years considering it is at a huge discount right now ?

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Considering how well Legion 7 gen 7s are built, the ryzen radeon combo I think will continue to stay relevant for a few years even with a 6700M. It also gives you 10 gigs of VRAM which can help with future texture sizes and is also 160 bits compared to 128 bits from slightly pricier 4060s. AMD is doing well to constantly push out driver updates as well. My only concern is that pace of change has become quite rapid lately but I think this hardware should still be able to cope with games coming out in a year or so. You have to rememver 6700 is a very mid level GPU so dont expect miracles. But value for money, I think nothing comes closer

@maxsimes Жыл бұрын

nice review, are you gonna compare legion 5 pro gen 8 to last years version?

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Thanks maxsimes. That is actually not such a bad idea; 5 pro is definitely a popular one. But currently not on radar man sorry. Next in my lineup is the M16 by Asus, and X16 by alienware. I wish I could do more reviews but I am super new to YT so channel is getting no revenue right now and I have to buy and sell everything. So it can be a bit much to manage with my regular worklife. But hopefully over time, if more people find my content to be useful, I will try to scale up and bring more to all of you

@maxsimes Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee thanks for the quick reply; i can fully understand that you wont, in the near future. Keep up the good quality.

@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын

The 140 Watts I believe is when you have it connected to an external display.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Hmmm. Interesting. Guess will have to try that out. Dont have any 4070s on hand at the moment though :/

@mueedanim 7 ай бұрын

Some reviews say amd advantage version of the legion 7 gen 7 has a lot of issues like screen randomly going black, gpu does not use over 100w and drivers are not optimized. Have you faced such problems? Would really appreciate your feedback, thank you.

@kazmiee 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for your question and it is a valid one. I remember that when I had initially gotten my device, there were actually quite a few issues that were all driver related. One driver might give me better performance but would result in crashes and others would reduce performance but games would run without error. Sometimes when driver updates came out it would break stability again. I remember that at that time I got uncharted and that game would crash every time at the same spot and then I downgraded drivers and things returned to normal. So this sort of constant need to manage drivers stayed for about 3-6 months but eventually things smoothened out perfectly. My device runs quite well now and I am very very happy with it. The good thing is that even during the initial months, there were alot of driver updates so AMD kept trying to fix issues and now is in a really good spot. I only regret not getting the 6850M since I had gotten the 6700M. Regardless, it is a damn good device that can still run everything. I was surprised how good and how smooth Starfield was on it! So yeah, if you are comfortable around pcs, amd would present no issue to you BUT.. if you're new to pc gaming for example, unfortunately id recommend to stick to intel / Nvidia. Hope that helps!

@mueedanim 7 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee It helped a lot, thank you for the quick reply. Where do you usually update your drivers from? Adrenaline or manually. If manually which site do you use?

@nikolayrogchev9628 Жыл бұрын

By the way, latest NVidia driver, crashed my laptop so hard, I was getting BSOD on windows startup. Generally AMD drivers have been improved a lot and I think they are in a good state right now.

@msaniumar8293 Жыл бұрын

Yes I heard there’s an NVIDIA bug causing black screens and crashing but I don’t know if it has been fixed

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Oh i would absolutely agree. There were definitely some very annoying issues like sudden crashes on battery mode or that it would crash uncharted as well quite a bit but it is all fixed now. So my gen 7 advantage edition is aging pretty well. I wish I had gotten the 6850 model

@charlesjuganas6558 Жыл бұрын

I found the older gen sold 2nd hand and is very interested with the 10gb vram compared to the current gen's 8gb 4070. I'm definitely saving up for the 2nd hand older gen. Thank you for this review. More power.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that you found my content to be useful :)

@AlwaysGrowing0 10 ай бұрын

I bought a Lenovo Legion 7i 2022 12900HX 16Core/24Thread with a RTX3080Ti 16GB VRAM with 32GB DDR5 Ram on Ebay for 1300 dollars a month ago. So if you are in the United States, keep an eye on Ebay, you can snag a really good deal on a used Gen 7 Legion.

@charlesjuganas6558 10 ай бұрын

@@AlwaysGrowing0 Thank you! I'll keep that in mind

@iceblade3414 5 ай бұрын

Greetings, Technic-Ali. I know that this is a bit of an older video, but I think it is still relevant for users of this laptop. I have the 6800H 6700M model running Windows 10 and it performs great aside from some sleep bugs overall. I have seen some people say that the 6800M is much better than the 6700M, and while it is true for the MSI Delta version, the Legion 7 6700M seems to be only several percent behind the Asus 6800M in benchmarks. One more thing I noticed that other people have not is that the Lenovo runs on PCIe 4.0 x8 instead of PCIe 3.0 x8 the Asus and other Ryzen 5000 series use, and this can really help should the game require a lot of asset & texture streaming like Spider-Man. Finally, the 10GB VRAM buffer may help it moderately even at 1080p and hold its ground versus the 4060/4070 from Nvidia. TDLR: The 6700M got a mediocre reputation that I feel is unwarranted because of the gimped MSI Delta 100-115w GPU. Good review overall of both machines, especially the 2022 model.

@kazmiee 5 ай бұрын

Thank you Ice Blade! And am glad that you brought this back up. At the start driver issues kept watering down the performance of the 6700M but now I think it is doing anazing. It is still very capable of running all the latest titles. In fact, I tried Starfield on it a few weeks ago and the performance was amazing. Actually even close to the 4080 on my Alienware. The 6700 with the Legion specially easily can see the effective TGP of up to 140 watts depending on the title. Legion NEEEDS to bring back the advantage edition, I have been SOOO looking forward to the 7000M series but they really are non existent especially in Canada. Last I saw was in the Alienware M18 and to me that is just a giant ingot of a machine so I never bothered in that. We need premium treatment for AMD. I think these guys just kept their focus on their Z1 systems for handheld gaming for the past some time. Such a shame. I think I should perhaps re run the benchmarks on the 6700M for 2023 :). I refuse to sell this Machine. Its sad people are just so blinded by the Nvidia Intel show of power. I am rooting for AMD. we NEED competition in this space. Nvidia has shown on several occasions that they are only too happy to rip of gamers. AMD needs to keep fighting

@iceblade3414 5 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee Yes, sadly Radeon 7000M series has been kind of a joke, and there are barely any high-power AMD Advantage laptops available, even in the United States. In fact, I had to get my Legion 7 6700M refurbished as there were no new ones available anywhere. Luckily it wasn't too expensive, being $900 or so, but still the supply is ghostly. The Alienware 18-inch laptop is kind of a joke from what I have seen, especially since a 1080p screen is pathetic for such a screen size and overkill for the 7900M. 480Hz is also useless on it because very few games can even reach that target unless they are CS:2/Valorant/Geometry Dash, not even Fortnite can do that reliably, and it has abysmal drivers (25w at sleep is insane). Even 2560x1440 with 165/240hz would be far better than 1080p for that big of a display. In addition, I prefer AMD over Nvidia because of their more open-source mindset & drivers, and I cannot get Adaptive Sync to run at all on Nvidia cards - I can't tell a difference on Nvidia GPUs, but on AMD cards it works flawlessly.

@kazmiee 5 ай бұрын

@@iceblade3414 I swear! Where are these guys getting their research from? Is it possible that the gamer masses are indicating that they just want more room for frames and not quality? I mean damn, 18 inches and 1080p? Even phones have more resolution in less than half that size. And honestly, I personally CANNOT tell the difference between 144hz and 240 hz.. maybe it is my old non- esport eyes, but really many agree that only the very capable can spot the difference. 1080p panels should only be allowed with laptops that come with integrated graphics or perhaos with a 4050m. Otherwise QHD is a pretty sweet spot. And makes such a big difference! I am really really glad you still got your hands on the gen 7 legion 7. It is the generation with the 7 was at its absolute best!

@Faeint 4 ай бұрын

Think you can do a comparision between the 2021 and 2022 model Gen 6 vs gen 7 I cant find what is the difference except maybe the fingerprint sensor.

@kazmiee 4 ай бұрын

haha yeah. I skipped gen 6 entirely I guess; I think that was a difficult year for me. Though I did think even Gen 6 was pretty awesome. had that older legion logo as well with the more discreet RGB on the lid. from the Y740 that I once had (and absolutely adored) Generally speaking gen 7 was a wayyy better deal across all things especially with hardware since the jump from the 20 series RTX to 30 was pretty decent in terms of efficiencies and performance output as well. If you can manage the budget, the Gen 7 I believe was one of the nicest devices that Legion has ever made.

@Faeint 4 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee I agree Unfortunately the gen 7 didn't has any Amd CPU Nvidia GPU combo

@kazmiee 4 ай бұрын

@@Faeint true, but If you can find a good deal wirh a 6700M or even perhaps a 6850M, those devices can serve you some powerful gaming performance even in 2024

@Faeint 4 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee Yeah I looked at it but ended up going with a gen 6 rtx 3070 rather than gen 7 6700m as I thought rtx 3070 is still a good one plus you got dlss

@goldwally1428 8 ай бұрын

hey bro. dope content. would you still recommend this now for 1400 USD 2nd hand?

@kazmiee 8 ай бұрын

Thank you! Do you know how long the device has been used? Also, are you talking about the Legion 7 gen 8 or gen 7?

@goldwally1428 8 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee I don't know about how long it has been used. I'm talking about the gen 7.

@kazmiee 8 ай бұрын

@@goldwally1428 Gen7 is awesome. It should generally offer great value for money. But for 1400USD, for a 6700M, it should probably be used max 4-6 months. But then the model is not easy to find brand new anymore. My gen 7 is more than a year used now and I think I can get CAD 1300-1400 for it. Hope that helps!

@springtan62 3 ай бұрын

Should I get the gen 8 with rtx4070 ($1700 in my country) or save up $400 more to get the rtx 4080 version?

@kazmiee 3 ай бұрын

Hey thank you for your question. The performance bump of a 4080 from a 4070 can actually be quite significant. 12 gb of vram meams a bit of future proofing as well. The gen 8 chassis I feel is better setup for high powered GPUs with decent thermal headroom. I would honestly target the 4080. Especially if your prior hardware was something like a 3060 or a 3070.. hope that helps!

@KingoftheJiangl 7 ай бұрын

Happy with the rgb changes. Change to plastic feels bad, but probably better for burning hand during heavy workloads so i get it. Cheaper build quality to keep up with increasing gpu price hikes. Yes, feels bad

@PKperformanceEU Жыл бұрын

How is the display on the gen 8 compared to a MacBook XDR? I have an m1max 16 that's about 1 year old and I really want to replace it with a windows laptop. Im thinking legion 7 gen 8 (preferably 7945hx(not yet available)) or legion slim7 gen8 7940HS(not yet available) and I'm also very excited about the new Yoga Pro 9i miniLED 4070. Since I'm a software dev student, I don't need the maximum performance but rather design/build quality and a good display! slim7 will have a new 3.2k display btw.. which do you recommend?

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the question PK. I suppose the biggest compromise would be the battery life and the native media edit capabilities. Siding with AMD can definitely help with efficiency and battery life. but with a software dev use case especially if you are constantly compiling large coding sets, the intel currently offers proven capabilities. I have yet to get my hands on the 7000 series Ryzen so not sure practically how good it might be. For the screen, even if you are 16 inch, the 1600P QHD+ option should offer great pixel density while saving power consumption. The 4070 would be perfectly reasonable for mainstream GPU usage for rendering and 3d modelling gaming. You dont have to spend more for higher wattage as well since the 4070 is known to peak out at 90-100w so a thin device like the slim 7 gen 8 paired with a 4070 and qhd+ display will offer awesome value for money

@TechPill_ Жыл бұрын

Bro is gem told straight forward truth that older gen ultimatum of innovation keeping aside the ai chip tuning . Speaking straight facts

@patrickgalaxy9913 Жыл бұрын

Dope content

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Thank you Patrick. Grateful for your kind words!

@Agent_Alpha Жыл бұрын

i bought a Legion 5 4600H 1650ti 144hz in 2021 and it cost like $1000, still a pretty solid device and great for the price at the time, but Legion has been slowly getting downhill with their price going way up all of a sudden last year.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Generally the 13th gen intels and RTX 40 series have tried to "league up" all around but I think sales have suffered so you should be seeing good discounts on legions all around. Maybe you can try upgrading to a 4060 or 3070ti? You should find good deals in these?

@richardcsebak7309 11 ай бұрын

my Lenovo Legion 7 16 igh6 went wrong after one and half year.

@kazmiee 11 ай бұрын

Oh no. What happened?

@chrisramos604 Жыл бұрын

Hi. Subbed to your channel. Thank you for this. By the way. I just want to comment regarding the wattage of 4070. That's normal since Nvidia put a voltage limit at 1.0 to 4070 and below cards. For me, it's such a waste potential for thick laptops with robust cooling and just be paired with a technically speaking 100w card. 4080 and 4090 are only the real deal if you want to get the generational improvement.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Exactly! 0.7 inches of thickness should be the sweet spot for driving a 4070. I am also seeing a lot of discounts now for 4070 devices from many manufactures now (e.g 500 CAD off on the m16 taking it to CAD 2500) ; feels like the discounted prices are what these devices should be priced at originally in the first place

@michaelli8012 Жыл бұрын

For 3000 CAD, I am getting: 13th gen i9 + 4080 32G DDR5, a still premium build quality, awesome screen, and great thermal performance. I won't complain anything for that price. I would even say this is a big bang for the buck. Lastly, the new design looks more premium and modern from my perspective. For anyone looking for this device, I strongly recommend to get it.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Probably one of the cheapest and most reliable ways to get a 4080. That much I can definitely get behind!

@stefdezy1562 Жыл бұрын

A 4080 for $3000 CAD is *really* good! I got the 4070 variant for about $2400 CAD, and I have been *SO* pleased with it in every way. Originally had a gigabyte aorus 15, then a Aorus 15x (both with 4070’s), which both had issues and needed to be returned. By the time I got the legion, I was beyond impressed with its overall quality! I can definitely see why they’re *so* popular 💪🙏

@michaelli8012 Жыл бұрын

@@stefdezy1562 that’s so nice! I had a aorus x3 plus v5 back in 2016 hahaha.

@J.Wick. 9 ай бұрын

The Slim model is the one to go for in Gen 8 IMO. I'm still driving my Gen5? 10750H/2070S. Wish they hadn't removed so many options from the 7 this year.

@kazmiee 9 ай бұрын

Agreed! It's just a better "laptop" that gen 8. If one is after performance primarily and want a 4090, I think the Legion 7 is probably one of the cheapest options out there right now

@RondellKB 8 ай бұрын

zen 5 and 5000 series nvidia is where it's at.

@kazmiee 8 ай бұрын

@@RondellKB we need competition in the GPU space and AMD is our final hope. I do genuinely hope that mobile Radeon 7000 series stand up to the rtx 4000s. Even if late, they can keep prices reasonable.

@RondellKB 8 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee Point taken.

@advaid61 Жыл бұрын

I recently bought the legion 7 gen 7 with R9 6850m xt for 1990 usd without taxes.......what do you think about my purchase?

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

I genuinely think that is one of the best value for money configurations out right now. All the bells and whistles, build quality, all the performance, everything top notch on a gaming laptop. I really do hope you are having a great time with it Advaid. How has your experience been so far?

@advaid61 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply Ali, feels great for my purchase to be validated. I'm from India, my uncle will be getting it from the US in a couple of weeks.....Will definitely share my experience when I get it 😄

@advaid61 Жыл бұрын

Btw, really clean and great content man. Keep up the good work.....way to go💪🏻

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

@@advaid61 I would be so excited and impatient if I were you. Ambient temperatures may be a bit higher in India as well but I found the thermal solution on the Gen 7 with that vapor chamber to keep up. But with that 6850 pulling close to 170w, It might work a bit overtime, so I suggest you keep the back of the device slightly raised even if by a centimetre. It really helps with airflow and keeping the device cool. And I dont mean get a cooling pad, the this laptop would not need that. Even just slide a coaster under the rear feel of the device. It should help

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

@@advaid61 thanks alot man. Means alot. Personally i especially enjoy the community conversations. I just want more people to dich their consoles and get on board with the portable yet very capable hardware for both productivity and gaming

@sixstringriffs Жыл бұрын

I just ordered the 7th gen Ryzen 7 6900H and Radeon 6700m for $1,880Cdn or $2,124 after taxes. Lenovo has a sale plus I saved $100 signing up for email list and googled a discount code for an additional 5% off. MRSP on their website suggested $2,999 but thats probably inflated. But was this still a good deal? Thanks for the great review and comparison!

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

I think it is a decent deal. Its not a steal but, there may be many who might say that you MAY have gotten slightly better hardware, but you have to remember than the legion 7 slim 7 is a premium device with a vapor chamber, lots of RGB and a premium build as well. So overall, I think it is a pretty awesome package and the device should treat you well for quite a whils

@sixstringriffs Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee thanks for the reply! I plan on playing mostly esports titles and for work so im hoping this should be plenty for me/

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

@@sixstringriffs oh MOOORE than plenty. Hook it up to a 4k telly and you should be aces. Hope you enjoy your device! Let me know how about your experience!

@sixstringriffs Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee I've only had it for a day but I am absolutely loving the legion 7 gen 7 man! Lifelong gamer but this is my first gaming pc. Excellent build quality as expected from your review. I'll be trying some more demanding games later. Lots of tinkering to do!

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

@@sixstringriffs hahaha. That is awesome. For sure! Hope it continues to treat you well.

@gabead Жыл бұрын

The 4070 Asus Strix also barely goes over 100FPS. So it’s not just a Lenovo issue. Sounds more like NVIDIA

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Oh is it? Well thanks for validating that for me. I am quietly concluded that the 4070 is probably a rebadged 3070ti with added features like dlss3 and frame generation.

@jonathantheyorkie Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video! I was shopping for a 2023 legion pro 7i, found this video, and decided to change my mind and get the 2022 legion 7i. Thanks! Edit: I looked into it more, and you didn't mention how the 2022 legion 7i has PRESSURE SENSITIVE wasd keys, which is super useful for games like Forza Horizon 5, where on my legion 5, I leave my controller, I have to deal with all or nothing, which defeats the purpose of a sleeper car. Legion pro 7i, you guessed it, removed it. Now if lenovo pulled a stunt like that, you would expect them to keep selling the 2022 model until they brought back the features in a future model, right? Well no. Lenovo also had the audacity to STOP SELLING the laptop, so now I have to buy it used from a sketchy amazon seller with little to no reviews, and I am praying that they don't sell out before I choose to buy or the laptop straight up doesn't work, and then school will begin for me, so this is a nightmare. But I would rather deal with this than buy their pro 7i.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your feedback and glad you found my content to be useful. You can also check out my detailed review on then Gen 7 here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8-gZtmDtsy5qmg.html

@jo30neanimater70 11 ай бұрын

please i am confused i can't find legion 2022 should i wait until it will be available on legion web site or it is not longer manufactured 😢 please it is urgent

@kazmiee 11 ай бұрын

I am seeing the same situation on Legions canadian website. In my experience, once it goes out of stock, it VERY rarely comes back. You could find it at another retailer but chances are that they would sell it much higher now. Legion had crazy sales on the 7 gen 7 over the last 6 months (30-50% off) and pretty sure the intent was to empty their inventory. Which variant were you looking for btw in gen 7 3070ti? 6700m ? 6850m? 3080ti?

@jo30neanimater70 11 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee I will be happy is I can get 3070

@kazmiee 11 ай бұрын

@@jo30neanimater70 what is your budget?

@jo30neanimater70 11 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee 1000$-1100$ please recommend but I need 3070 or 4060 wit core i7

@jo30neanimater70 11 ай бұрын

I was thinking gating Eclipse ASUS ROG Strix G16 (2023) but I loved legion so much but is is expensive kazmiee I am in Europe in uk what website or when I can get a discount can you tell me specific time to get discount on laptops

@VSN1001 Жыл бұрын

Nvidia is correct when they say that ur GPU power consumption is correct. The issue is that Nvidia has capped the voltage of the CUDA cores. Hence, even if the GPU consumes more than 100w, CUDA boost clocks remains unchanged. The GPU “knows” that and hence the 100w cap. Honestly this is quite a crappy move from nvidia so shame on them

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Oh wow. Thanks for sharing that and explaining it. I swear it drove me crazy trying to figure out why such a thick device is giving me razer levels of TGP. Even in general, this rebrand of 4080s becoming the 4090 and 4070 now the new 4060 was also a crap move. The capitalist feels are strong with Nvidia

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLN9pctntdaweWg.html this confirms your viewpoint as well. Makes no sense to get a 4070 in a thicker device tbh.

@VSN1001 Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee Seems like the 4080 mobile will be the new sweetspot for gaming

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

@@VSN1001 oh yeah. That is the understanding so far. I took delivery of the x16 Alienware yesterday with the 4080 and will do some testing to validate that. Hopefully should post a review soon. :)

@VSN1001 Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee can’t wait for the review!

@brokenrevisited 27 күн бұрын

An excellent review. 100% convinced me that I WILL NOT consider purchasing this laptop, anymore. Especially now that you cannot even find the 2022 version anywhere. I was all hyped about Lenovo Legions since around 2022... but with these downgrades I'll now look elsewhere.

@kazmiee 16 күн бұрын

Ah man. I know the feeling; it was so cool that there was an affordable laptop out there that was so well built and had all the bells and whistles but now we have to get the Legion 9i for all that and it can be a bit pricey. :/

@treehouse7213 Жыл бұрын

Bro. Not sure if it’s ever crossed your mind but you should think about being a KZfaqr. One whole full moon cycle I’ve spent watching a whole bunch of KZfaqrs talk about a whole bunch of nothin. You my friend 🫵, have actually been very helpful, and somehow, compared to the other native English speaking KZfaqrs, you and your refreshing accent has been so much easier to understand, all while giving me good ol’fashion home cooked laughs and chuckles along the way. Love the food you serve Chef Ali, great recipe the way it is! Just keep on cookin!

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

This is one the best messages I have gotten ever since I started this channel. It really does mean alot to me treehouse! Thank you for actually taking out the time to write all this down. I absolutely enjoy every bit of exploring new tech and playing even a tiny role in helping fellow tech enthusiasts and gamers in connecting to their ideal machine. Keeping the art of pc gaming alive is just so important; whether through comradery in a competitive match or getting lost in a awesome story in a world or a time far far away. As we all get increasingly busy in our adult lives, I feel laptops provide a convenient (albeit expensive) way to quickly jump into our respective worlds wherever we want. Sorry, I went on a monologue there; but thank you again for your kind words; I hope this channel can continue to match people with their machines - it is unfortunate it is becoming increasingly difficult to take time out of my working life to develop content and also expensive to keep cycling through new machines; but, such encouragement really helps me to keep on going. Thank you Treehouse!

@mikeraptorh6888 Жыл бұрын

Where can I get the legion 7 gen 7

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Sorry for the late reply! - Where are you based?

@mikeraptorh6888 Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee Mexico

@sy0635 Жыл бұрын

A 4070 laptop is $400-700 more expensive than 3070ti. You also get worse 1% lows w 4070. There’s literally no reason to spend that much extra for a 4070 over 3070ti unless you want to pay that much for frame gen. Anyways nvidia is basically scamming ppl w the 4060 and 4070 this year, the performance improvement is literally non existent it’s quite disgraceful.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

100% agreed!

@Romash. Жыл бұрын

2022 Legion 7/slI'm7 are premium and feels expensive😆

@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын

The 2023 Legion Pro 5 seems to be the better with the AMD 7745HX and RTX 4070 combo.

@kazmiee 10 ай бұрын

Hmm, you're probably right. Ill have to give it a try

@Daniel-688 Жыл бұрын

Gen7 much better in build quality, gen8 bettter in performance

@DarkKnight2037 Жыл бұрын

Jarrod's tech went over this in his video comparing the 4050, 60 and 70. they have some weird limiting factor that limits the wattage to around the 100-115W mark in most programs. very nonsensical

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

I have recently recieved the 4080 in the x16 Alienware. Work has been keeping me crazy busy so have not been able to validate that. But hopefully soooon

@DarkKnight2037 Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee all good. I'm glad to see you growing. Also looking pretty sexy with the facial hair

@insolidusyt 11 ай бұрын

So basically this gen's slim 7 is basically the updated version of the last gen's legion 7 chassis.

@kazmiee 11 ай бұрын

Haha. You said it. I am actually currently testing the slim 7 gen 8 with the 4060. Hope i can post the review soon

@insolidusyt 11 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee I checked the dimensions after I watched your video and the slim 7 gen 8 is apparently 0.2 mm thicker than the legion 7 gen 7. The irony.

@kazmiee 11 ай бұрын

@@insolidusyt are you sure, it is 0.67 inches as per.. well the website. I should probably get a vernier caliper now lol

@insolidusyt 11 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee so I double checked. According to AMD's website, the legion 7 had a thickness of 0.76"-0.94". And the slim 7i on Lenovo's website is 0.69"-0.78". So I stand corrected.

@johnscotlinksl 5 ай бұрын

I also thought the Gen 8 was a downgrade, then I realized the Gen 8 is about half the price of what the Gen 7 was when it came out. They're still amazing laptops, just now at an affordable price

@kazmiee 5 ай бұрын

I can certainly understand that. :) are you using the gen 8 now? Which spec did you get? How are you enjoying it so far?

@johnscotlinksl 5 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee yup, love my Gen 8, got the i9 4080 spec, it’s truly a desktop replacement. What’s awesome is you can use balanced mode and it still runs games great, at much lower temps

@kazmiee 5 ай бұрын

@@johnscotlinksl nice! Glad you're enjoying the Legion. Its amazing how nuch power a laptop can carry nowadays

@zinelabidineturki3670 Жыл бұрын

Just bought the gen 8 4070 32gb for 2k$. New is better for me.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Haha. Good to hear Zinelabidine. That seems like a good deal to me. Hope you enjoy it. Do share your experience here any bencharking results as well that you think can help with buying decisions by others.

@Faeint 4 ай бұрын

They are most likely doing this to promote the legion 9 just like they had an legion 5 pro which was there to promote legion 7

@kazmiee 4 ай бұрын

oh yeah. these guys found a new accountant; it was sad for me to see some very key features being ripped away from the Legion 7 in favor of the legion 9; which is absurdly expensive. HOWEVER, many argued that the Gen 8 legion 7 provided AMAAZING value for money; It might have been lower on the bells and whistles but was great from a pure gaming standpoint

@PlegakPleguk Жыл бұрын

keep honest as you did here.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! My loyalty is to the pc gaming community. :)

@Romash. Жыл бұрын

bro can u bring the legion slim 7i 12700h 3060 i kbow u can

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Hey Romash. It would be a good review for sure. But I got limited resources. I am now waiting to get my hands on the 8th gen slim 7 now :/

@Romash. Жыл бұрын

I am getting the legion slim 7i next week.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

@@Romash. thats awesome. Let me know about your experience with it

@Romash. Жыл бұрын

I finally bought the legion slI'm 7i

@Romash. Жыл бұрын

its very good looking neat. Peeformance is very good and it opens without realizing when i press power bitton it opens so fast

@syahti Жыл бұрын

Wow legion 7 rtx 3070 with vapor chamber

@godlevel4477 Жыл бұрын

Acer predator helios 16 vs asus strix g16 which one should i go for?

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Apologies for the late reply! God, I have not experienced either unfortunately; but from what I have heard and read, the G16 would generally be the safer bet; did you make a decision yourself on this? did you buy a new machine recetly?

@chrisbullock6477 Жыл бұрын

If you use Solid Words / CAD and you also travel alot, your best bet is to go with the AMD Version. Much better Performance

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

That is good insight. Thank you for sharim Chris. Appreciate that!

@austincole7573 Жыл бұрын

I hope the price drops because of the issues you've pointed out 🤣

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

I am actually already seeing prices drop all around Legion 7 SKUs including 4090s, 4080s 4070s on lenovos own website. I would strongly suggest to stay clear of 4070s for now because they are genuinely not giving a big performance jump over the 3070ti or the 4060. I think, if you want to go for 4080, a legion 7 or even the 5 is probably the cheapest way to get one. Otherwise, the newer gen 8 slim 7 with the 4060 is an awesome device. Thinner, lighter, can go upwards of 100w TGP and maintains the premium look n feel WITH the biometric login as well. That should cost near 2100 CAD

@GodRockCafe 7 ай бұрын

I love the comparison. The keyboard flex is sticking in my head. And to be honest, I dislike numpads on laptops. Having looked through Lenova's line, I honestly wish they would make a ThinkPad Legion.

@kazmiee 7 ай бұрын

They actually did have Thinkpad P1s and X1 Carbon Extreme Editions that had RTX 4070s / 4060s. But I never got too interested in them because they were always paired with 4k screens running at 60hz and that would have been too much for 80W 4070s. But I think your wish might come true soon!

@TheoneRD98 7 ай бұрын

I got the 7th gen for 1125 bucks with i7 rtx 3070ti ❤

@kazmiee 7 ай бұрын

That is pretty awesome. The 7th gen LL7 is IMO the best gaming laptop of 2022. Hope you enjoy it! How have you been liking it so far? What was your previous device?

@TheoneRD98 7 ай бұрын

@@kazmiee I did have the legion 5 pro from 2021 R5, RTX3060. This laptop has been Amazing, the build quality, everything is just another level. Love it.

@kazmiee 7 ай бұрын

@@TheoneRD98 I am super happy for you. Definitely a great choice! It should treat you quite well for a while! And even with jump from a 3060 and a 1080p screen to a QHD and 3070ti must feel like quite a shift.

@thaibinh6585 Жыл бұрын

Great comparison, honestly I am a bit disappointed how they down graded the Legion 7 but that aside. When you say "fair" comparison, you don't just "turn off raytracing, don't use dlss", dude those are literally some of the key factors that make Nvidia superior and more expensive than AMD. I always feel annoying when reviewers just casually casted aside the great features that you get with more money on Nvidia and then say it's a "fair" comparison, when you utilize raytracing and dlss (which you should because that what you get paying more and those are very great tech) the different in performance will be so huge that it would make AMD performance like a joke. Like the old ones used to say "You get what you pay for". My point is to compared the overall benefit of getting Nvidia over AMD not these two laptops only.

@thaibinh6585 Жыл бұрын

I mean if you are comparing a gun that can shoot a bullet from miles away and a knife that can only stab at close distance, why set the rule not allow the gun to shoot from a far distance and force the gun to get into a close combat with the knife? Totally unfair to me.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Hey thaibinh, thank you for sharing thoughts on this and I think your point of view is fair. Raytracing is the future and DLSS is a very useful feature for many. I'd think that it all comes down to personal preferences in the end. As a casual gamer myself who is driven towards more story driven titles while being sensitive to budgets, I personally like to maintain sharp textures (which visibly deteriorate even under DLSS 3) while also getting reasonable frames to enjoy the overall experience. It is a universal fact that AMD has barely a quarter of the Ray tracing horsepower that Nvidia has right now but that is alright; RT is an advanced feature and is very resource heavy for now providing very unique circumstances within games where its results can be properly enjoyed. Not everyone would even notice the difference for many of the games. My intent was to share raw performance results after which it is up to people's personal preference to tweak it around using DLSS/ FSR / RT etc. I also sometimes think that we loose too many people to the console because of its low cost of entry and AMD based laptops, which are obviously still significantly more expensive than say, the PS5, offer great portable gaming performance with good value for money and as PC gamers we should encourage healthy competition. Not everyone has deep pockets to afford the best but that should not limit them to enjoy a decent overall experience especially considering portability

@thaibinh6585 Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee yes, I respect your point, but i think if reviewers could just include the 3D rendering using gpu and raytracing and dlss benefit when comparing the two gpu brands whether you need it or not, then viewers like me will know what we will get for the money and decide on our own whether we want those extra features or not. Cheaper doesn't mean better.

@thaibinh6585 Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee In my opinion, a great and fair comparison is where you list all the pros and cons of the competitors for everyone to know and keep a neutral attitude speaking of those, then you can express your own liking and finally ask the viewers which machine that they prefer. Rather than just decided on you own what you like and ignore the rest.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

@@thaibinh6585 Thank you for the feedback. I will try to keep on improving my content

@farhankhalanthar36 Жыл бұрын

Hey buddy, there is a downgrade in the 8th gen because there will be a new flagship releasing this september , it even will come with AIO cooler inbuilt in the laptop, my prediction it will be called legion 9

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Oh man I sure hope so! Maybe it is an 18 inch varaint as well. Would be great to see Legion continuing to innovate and bring gamers cool new features.

@farhankhalanthar36 Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee thats what it would look like. i have seen with buddy of mine whose is a tester,,,,,,,,compared to current model, they made space between the keyboard and screen more to accomodate more vent..... the image is not accurate , i just poorly edited a current legion 7 image based on what saw. it comes in black with custom designed toplid drive.google.com/file/d/1VtC3ZfWGp-teEtapR-xEE9UWVh-2ebyT/view?usp=drive_link the light bar is there front and back, they ditched the vent lights

@Cenot4ph Жыл бұрын

Environment is a good excuse to remove anything and everything. It's tiring to be honest

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Haha, yeah! more for less is generally a great idea, but would be good for manufacturers to sill offer a premium option with all the bells and whistles; sure they can charge more, but atleast offer it!

@Gibby2021 Жыл бұрын

legion 7 GEN 7 is what i want, way better

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

Haha, for sure man; it is definitely the one for me to keep as well. :)

@Daniel-688 Жыл бұрын

Me too. Love the minimalist design on gen7.

@mehdishirazi3 Жыл бұрын

I bought almost months ago the i7 7th gen 12900hx with the 3080ti. I am completely disappointed with the direction they went with the 8th gen. No fingerprint reader, plastic ugly vents, less usb C, less refined lower quality, slower ethernet port (upside-down), plastic touch pad, no pressure programed buttons, no vent holes across the power button area, and no honeywell thermal phase change cooling pads on cpu and gpu.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

I hear ya. I mean this is exactly what the 5 series was for. Lile the difference between the 5 series and the 7 now is no front rgb bar. White keyboatd lights., broadly same thickness too i guess, similar looks. Obviously you cant get the 4080/90 on that. But i guess getting the 4070 on the 7 series is basically, a terrible idea.

@mehdishirazi3 Жыл бұрын

@@kazmiee Yup, they basically took an i5 and put a 3900hx with a 4090 and called it an i7, not worth it. This is what happens in time of bad inflation and economy. It's called shrinkflation, typically done in foods with portion sizes but has moved on to everything else. The worse part is the quality went down too for the same price. The keyboard deck is plastic not metal and the 7 series was always all metal till now.

@kazmiee Жыл бұрын

@@mehdishirazi3 good point yeah. For example, the 4080 on the AW X16, is like 4300 CAD and legion 7 with same specs is like 3200 CAD. so it definitely is cheaper than the competition right now