Newer RAM Dually Frame Breaks in half carrying camper! Why it happened!

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@fellixx11 Жыл бұрын

I have to give credit to this channel for educating me on towing vs cargo capacity and overall towing safety. Since you cant trust that a truck or RV dealership will steer you in the right direction, you have to take on the responsibility yourself to ensure that you dont put yourself in danger.

@anthonytruta2745 6 ай бұрын

Just like bending a steel coat hanger. Bend it back and forth, long enough and it will break.

@biketothetop 6 ай бұрын

@@anthonytruta2745 bending a coat hanger back and forth and causing the metal to fail is called cold working. That is not the same as fatigue. The video author is hypothesizing that this truck failure occurred due to fatigue.

@hunkydude322 6 ай бұрын

the bottom lline is do your home work and don't over load your truck plus get the correct truck for your camper and just use command sense don't take your whole house on it.@@anthonytruta2745

@scottbionicnerf8727 Жыл бұрын

Working on medium and heavy duty trucks for a couple decades has afforded me the opportunity to see 1st hand some truly catastrophic failures due to overload. Many truck owners wrongfully assume that since the vehicle didn't flip over from the weight placed on it, the vehicle isn't overloaded.

@spin-knit-june 7 ай бұрын

I think another factor to consider in using a truck camper is the "center of gravity" (COG) location on the truck camper which is provided by the RV manufacturer which is a range that needs to be placed in front of the truck rear axle. Lots of campers are designed to go on longer bed trucks, so when placed in a shorter bed truck, the camper center of gravity is too far back over the axle. I suggest always check the campers COG to match up with your truck bed size. Thank you for your explanation & the addition of things off the back of the camper altering the campers COG.

@keithbar19741974 Жыл бұрын

As soon as I say that picture I thought of JD, this video was inevitable. Thank you JD for all your great content and focus on towing safety.

@heretoforeunknown Жыл бұрын

Grossly overloaded. About 165 gallons of liquid (drinking water, gray water, black water, propane, etc.) equals about 1155 lbs. Plus, load up all of the gear needed for camping in both the camper and inside, and the owner is asking for trouble.

@BigTruckBigRV Жыл бұрын

@@Itsa_Mea as well as the dynamic weight causing constant and prolonged flex to the frame.

@billchesney8949 Жыл бұрын

The dry weight of the camper itself was close to maxing out the payload

@heretoforeunknown Жыл бұрын

@@billchesney8949 Yep. Exceed the GVWR and it doesn't matter where the weight is distributed. The OEM would have to delineate where the weight is distributed in order to void a warranty claim.

@slmjake 8 ай бұрын

Why did it break? Hmmm cause it was a Ram! Just kidding

@user-fx7uz3xr6g 8 ай бұрын

Very well explained. I have a 2001 dodge ram 3500. I got a hs 2902 palomino truck camper. I need to look at my frame then

@dansettergren6532 Жыл бұрын

Last 2 trucks I have purchased (2019 F-250 and currently own a 2020 F-350 dually), the salesman had a Ford App on his phone-he scanned the vin # and was able to plug in info such as trailer max weight, pin/tongue weight, additional cargo weight. The App then showed exactly how much I was over/under the Payload, GVWR, GCVWR for the trucks I was looking at. Can’t tell you how helpful this was…wish every dealer would do this and every salesman understood these concepts (my salesman was an RV owner). Also wish the App was available to the public.

@paultasker9759 Жыл бұрын

That’s helpful for sure. Last dealer I was at, the guy couldn’t even tell me if the Ram 3500 I was looking at was HO or not, couldn’t tell me axle ratio, or any tow or payload numbers. But then wastes my time with the rundown of power steering, power windows, power locks like those features are a selling point on a modern vehicle. Lol.

@proudamerican5518 Жыл бұрын

So many vehicle salesmen are such asshats. Know your product. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@gregorywieczorek4160 Жыл бұрын

GM started putting all that information on a door sticker in 2020. It is specific to each individual truck very handy when buying a truck.

@brbabco5546 Жыл бұрын

All that info is clearly displayed on the sticker on the door jam. It is VIN specific for the vehicle it is attached to.

@sad754yt 9 ай бұрын

I went to a dealership to trade up to a 2500 from a 1500. I was assigned a female salesperson who had never sold a truck before and knew nothing about payload 😂

@beverlystarcher8522 Жыл бұрын

I don't own a truck, an RV or a camper, but I love watching your videos. I like the lifestyle that owning a "big truck" ...RV or camper can bring to anyone who owns one of these vehicles. Keep up the great work....love your channel and the content that you post. Hope you have a great day!

@willb3018 Жыл бұрын

Ditto. Great channel

@tommylatenight3115 9 ай бұрын

@OOICU812 7 ай бұрын

So are you a damper or outdoors person?

@LuckyBaldwin777 6 ай бұрын

@OOICU812 damper? Is that someone who camps in the rain?

@mikebavoso26 7 ай бұрын

Camper sales people need to watch this video. I have a 2020 Ford pickup and went looking for a camper. You be surprized what a salesmen will tell you about weight. Thank you

@herb7877 Жыл бұрын

I learned way back in 1972 when I bought my first new pickup how to do the math with the numbers on the door jam lots of info can be calculated. Most sales people do (did) not understand it but simply use the max number that is published for the ideal config. It's really not that difficult & a skill every RV person should learn & know. I am amazed how many rigs I see regardless of a 1/2t to a 1-1/2 T dually that are overloaded. It's frightening.

@OTUSPIKE Жыл бұрын

Once again, a GREAT video, JD !!! As a retired criminal investigator I have to say you put together an exceptional case and it was totally logical and presented clearly using facts. As you well know, virtually all of the "credible" RVing channels, yours included, have hammered viewers about payload capacity and the misleading information given by either vehicle or RV dealerships for years. Well done - again - JD, and thank you for your time, efforts and expertise. THIS is why I subscribed to your channel. Keep up the great work.

@brucebaldwin3292 Жыл бұрын

One additional item to note is the bar that runs under the frame that the forms the front attachment point for the camper. It is at least 2" box steel. It is always under tension and is at the exact point, between the bed and cab, where the frame will flex the most. It isolates the front half of the frame from the rear half and encourages deflection right where the frame bent. Both the white Ford you show and this Dodge bent where that brace contacts the frame. Something to consider.

@deltabravo1257 Жыл бұрын

That bar you talk about has not been used as a method of securing a truck camper in decades. This truck used Torklift frame mounted tie downs, which don’t have a bar under the truck belly. Torklift and Happijac are the two main manufacturers of truck camper tow downs, neither have a bar that goes under the truck frame

@servicetrucker5564 5 ай бұрын

@@deltabravo1257Thats right but it still attaches right in front of the spring mounts

@luke8210 Жыл бұрын

Ford came out with the super camper special for this very reason. They set the axle back further so it could carry the large campers with crazy overhang of the 60s and 70s. They also ran a super single tire in the rear. It was very wide. Press cool design. Unfortunately they discontinued them as the camper craze died out.

@robnation2475 Жыл бұрын

Those had a 140" wheelbase. Check out a 2004 F150 SuperCab with a wheelbase of 163". It's pretty silly looking!

@luke8210 Жыл бұрын

Yep, that's the one. 140" WB. With the spare tire behind a door in the side of the bed. Pretty cool design. I've seen those f150s. In fact my neighbor has one for his landscaping buisness. Seems to work well for his needs.

@robnation2475 Жыл бұрын

@@luke8210 It's silly looking but I'd be happy to own one at the same time. I like silly stuff.😄 Perfect for landscaping. I did similar work in the past and could have used a 20 foot truck.

@davemachoukas6175 Жыл бұрын

Yep buddy mine had one 460 6mph loaded or not. Was a brut!

@SteveEddy-od7fb 6 ай бұрын

Yes I once owned a 1968 Ford F250 Camper special it had an extended wheel base and 2 gas tanks no gas mileage but what a great truck

@JHA6100 Жыл бұрын

JD, your thoughts make complete sense to me. For years you continue to educate your viewers on towing & payload capacity, and truck owners/buyers need to pay attention to your sage guidance. So happy you picked up on this unfortunate incident as I saw it and wondered about it as well. Thanks JD!

@BC5391 8 ай бұрын

I worked in Auto collision my entire life, and have seen several truck frames that have cracked. Did not matter if they had a 5th wheel or camper, if the weight was not distributed properly, metal fatigue, begins. The frame will begin to flex where it should not, especially near rivets.

@Network126 6 ай бұрын

Wow sounds like trucks should be built at least a little bit stronger..

@laserflexr6321 6 ай бұрын

@@Network126 They could make a truck that so that the tires would always be the first thing to fail in an overloaded/abusive use situation but do you really want to pay for that, both upfront and at the fuel pump?

@jeromemartinez5603 6 ай бұрын

Seen the same thing, weakest link!

@davep4610 Жыл бұрын

Great perspective. I've heard elsewhere that the guy had driven about 25,000 miles with that truck and camper combination -- then he was surprised that it broke after so much time. You just explained it. But, also, I would bet a lot that he was significantly over the rated payload capacity with a very rear-biased load.

@tracydjenkins 6 ай бұрын

He drove all over Mexico and south America down dirt roads and off-road lol and made it all the way back lol

@tiffster1 3 ай бұрын

I think your spot on, explaining the pivot point is critical to the failure, however one factor to consider is when the truck is at highway speeds there is a huge force of air pushing the campers weight past the pivot point of the rear axel, toward the rear of the truck. As the trucks speed increases, so does the force of air pushing the camper to the rear. I would not be surprised to hear that these failures occurred at highway speeds.

@101taiga Жыл бұрын

I did a lot of research and watched a lot of you tube videos explaining pickup cargo capacities. I ended up going with a gas dually 4x4 crew cab for a fiberglass truck camper (northern lite) with a dry weight of about 2400-2600 pounds. Add water, propane, people, dog, possessions, etc and I’m quite safe. People really pushed me towards a SRW but I didn’t feel, weight wise and handling wise it would be suitable. Safety first, so pay more for what you really need up front, or you will be paying a whole lot more later.😅

@randylester1219 Жыл бұрын

Great informational video. That's exactly why I watch and enjoy watching your videos. I like the fact that you go over the real life scenarios, instead of sugar coating stuff so that people believe something that isn't factual. Until next time, Stay safe and keep on Trucking! 👍

@Totalyrediclous998 Жыл бұрын

Learned a lot when you went to the dealerships and talked about the cutaway or commercial van trucks vs a regular 3500/4500 truck. My dad used to service write for a repair shop for rvs and it is amazing the amount of overloaded campers, trailers going down the road. Thanks for the education.

@patrickkneib7301 Жыл бұрын

I love this channel. It helped me understand that I was over wait with my 3/4 ton truck and had to sell and upgrade to a 1 ton. So glad I learned it than and not the hard way later.

@RAM-on8xb Жыл бұрын

Great information! So many people dont understand weight limits of the truck. As you stated at the start of the video so many people feel because they have a 3500 or larger dually that they have unlimited ability. I own a 2022 RAM 3500 SRW Mega Cab Limited Longhorn. My payload is 3841 pounds. That doesnt mean I run the max weight every time I head out with my 5th wheel. I am typically 500 to 600 pounds under that number. Always enjoy your videos and I agree with your tow vehicle suggestions when you review RVs. You can never have too much truck! LOL

@korndawggy1801 11 ай бұрын

I also think alot of it has to do with the way people are driving too. The trucks have a lot of power and the suspension gives some people the impression that they can drive faster and safer. That may be true but, only to a point. People don't think about the actual abuse that the tow vehicle is taking when hitting bumps, taking curves, or driving in windy conditions.

@DavidElcocks 9 ай бұрын

Don't get ford

@gowdsake7103 6 ай бұрын

Its America they dont bother to look

@bleachstain9785 6 ай бұрын

Don’t forget that wind weight (downforce), also applies to the end figure. If you’ve got a load that’s poking over the top of the truck cab, you’re gonna catch a lot of wind and it’ll act as a weight in the back.

@tandsl9218 Жыл бұрын

Very well said! It’s great to hear it from the engineering and physics side. Like every 5th wheel you show, when you get around to the hitch you call out “this is not meant for towing”. The knowledge you share helps educate us and keep us safer on the roads.

@adamkemner8137 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. My wife and I appreciate the time you take to help educate us. We have learned a lot from watching your videos.

@BigTruckBigRV Жыл бұрын

Glad to help

@skoffco Жыл бұрын

Ha ha you had me intrigued for a second. When you said you were going to use your truck as an example, I thought you were going to throw 6,000pounds on the back of it. 😛

@davidhillbrand2302 Жыл бұрын

Per typical, you are spot on! Too bad some people have to learn the hard way but the information is out there for those willing to do the research.

@NunYa953 4 ай бұрын

I sold cars for nearly 20 years, the majority of that time at a CJDR dealership. We printed out the maximum capacities for every truck based on VIN number and were not only required to go over it with the buyer, but required to get their signature on it. If youre unsure about your truck, go into a dealer with your VIN and ask them to pull up the max capacities for YOUR VIN.

@deltabravo1257 Жыл бұрын

This is the BEST video on this particular topic and the broken truck. Many people hauling truck campers never actually weigh their truck or camper, or the combo. A sad reality is that multiple truck manufacturers grossly understate the weight on the camper VIN tag / weight sticker. I know this because I have one of those truck campers. I am in a number of truck camper owner groups and I hear about these understated weights weekly.

@JB_WhoWork Жыл бұрын

I think you’re right because that truck was probably overloaded by 1300#’s and I’ve seen 3/4 tons overloaded by double that… great explanation 👍🏾

@MikeSmith-ir7xn Жыл бұрын

Why isn't dodge doing a recall on the frames

@servicetrucker5564 5 ай бұрын

@@MikeSmith-ir7xnBecause if you don’t overload them they don’t break

@thejaidedgypsy Жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you! Been researching an f350 and camper and this information has been invaluable.

@toddbrown8701 Жыл бұрын

That's the best description of frame failure I've heard yet, thank you.

@erikrounds5847 Жыл бұрын

After watching your videos for years I have to say this situation is probably the greatest example of an “I told you so” moment for you JD lol

@JaredJanhsen Жыл бұрын

One thing I noticed in the case of both the Ram and the white Ford depicted, the truck campers had a large rear overhang and their owners added even MORE weight behind that overhang. The Ford had a bumper pull trailer and the Ram had a motorcycle on a receiver hitch carrier. Both truck owners would have been better off with a 5th wheel toy hauler.

@user-qi4ff5in9z 3 күн бұрын

Thanks so much. You really taught me a lot about how payloads work and about salesmen hype.

@ColJonSquall1 Жыл бұрын

Its cases like these, where I'm thankful I've seen TFL, Pickup and SUV Talk and your videos on payload and towing. So I know how to properly load a vehicle and not have it snap in half.

@kenpolzel412 Жыл бұрын

That was a great learning moment! Thanks

@noknownthrone2487 Жыл бұрын

I have learned so much from this channel. Not only for this truck camper scenario, but can you imagine overloading a towable and losing control going down a grade??? You really mean it when you say "At least a 3/4 rear wheel minimum" or "nothing but at least a dual rear wheel"... etc. I trust your input sir!

@WorkinWithWiley 10 ай бұрын

You are totally correct!! As a 21 year over the road class a CDL holder. I can tell you from first hand experience frames fatigue over time! One reason semi trucks have adjustable fifth wheels is to distribute the weight from front to rear. Always wondered why that wasn't incorporated into 5th wheels on smaller trucks. I have seen the same happen on semi trucks. Not to this extent but enough to be taken off the road!

@zulubravo5733 Жыл бұрын

I had a 2015 F250 and discovered one day it was licensed for less than its actual weight. I see so many questionable configurations from half ton service trucks to inadequate tow vehicles pulling travel trailers so my point is the onus is on oneself to do due diligence about what you are driving and carrying. Having owned a forestry contracting business for over 30 years and think about how many of the service trucks really weren’t up to the task! Great information, great video as usual! Thanks

@jamesbass9797 Жыл бұрын

JD, another fine example of great information on how weight works in trucks. I'd speculate that 90 to 95 percent of all salespeople at dealerships across the country have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to towing. They are in it for the commission check only. I've tried I don't know how many times to explain the exact principles you talked about to people for the better part of 30 years and in most cases it's like talking to a stop sign. You have provided two pictures in this video to provide proof of what you talk about. Hopefully, people will now begin to understand the principles of weight distribution with trucks.

@Gman-qm6bv Жыл бұрын

Excellent wealth of information you just taught us! Thank you a lot!

@hectorescobedo2398 6 ай бұрын

I like the way you explained it . Thank you again!!

@code4forlife Жыл бұрын

Thank You For Your Well Thought Out Perspective 👍

@dyates6380 5 ай бұрын

Great job. Very well explained and you're correct about the fulcrum point.

@AutoAuctionRebuilds Жыл бұрын

Excellent video!

@proudamerican5518 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you.

@BigfootDadExploresMontana Жыл бұрын

Excellent analysis. I entirely concur.

@narimenrhodes-zh7tr 8 ай бұрын

Thats why i LOVED my '76 ford f-100, boxing frame.

@GingerBeast-DC 5 ай бұрын

Great no BS video!

@SilveradoChris Жыл бұрын

Your channel has helped me learn more about towing safely and influenced my truck buying. I stepped up from a 1500 Silverado to 2500HD cause I needed the payload vs towing capacity. I was eagerly waiting for your explanation on this. Great video.

@deltabravo1257 Жыл бұрын

I saw the original post in the Facebook truck camper group where the owner posted this broken truck. All that’s been said so far is the truck broke and that RAM won’t warranty it because it was overloaded. Yes, it was grossly overloaded. The worst part is, the owner has NEVER weighed the truck or camper. The owners have never came back to show photos of the crack. The owners went into “cricket mode” and have gone silent after the article was published.

@TheDrew2022 6 ай бұрын

Not sure if gm and dodge have these but ford publishes a trailer guide that covers both towing and camper canopies like that. They list what every combination of engine, body, bed, wheelbase, and axle gearing is rated for. Used that to determine my ‘16 F350 could handle the service body, tool, gear, and a trailer safely within Ford’s weight limit with a margin in case I needed to load it heavier. Was large enough I had to scale when on the road but that just proved the truck was under axle and gvw/gcvw maximums. And kept a copy of the guide in case DOT thought I was overloaded.

@stacyreid5077 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the great video I knew that the frame had to be doing something but didn’t realize that it was flexing like that. I’ve seen a few where they were twisting

@mike-pl8sn 5 ай бұрын

I have learned so much about trucks from you over the years. Great video great knowledge.

@TheKurtsPlaceChannel 7 ай бұрын

Very interesting. Thanks for posting this. Have a nice day now.

@tommays56 Жыл бұрын

Gonna definitely have and Impact on the insanely BIG Bed camper market The overhung load on that thing was insane

@dedechase1106 Жыл бұрын

As a ram owner i never would of thought about this cause i do 5th wheels GOT THE LESSON

@douglastong3208 Жыл бұрын

Wow! That could have been me. I wanted to travel around the country and had considered a similar setup as the DRW & camper combination, going to BLM and NF camping spots, etc. I read and watched channels, like BTBRV, to learn as much as I could before buying. But wanting more, I was going to get a fifth wheel, a Luxe toy hauler, and even that choice could have given me trouble, as you are well aware, JD, because it's a heavier unit. I didn't want to get an HDT or a Freightliner M2 to haul a fifth wheel, so now I have to carefully reconsider my options. Thanks for covering this story, JD!

@kevinkinney5445 6 ай бұрын

I bought a brand new 1989 C30 extra cab Silverado Dually, camper package, overload springs, dual batts, 454. 373rear end. I then bought an 1990 Lance 580 extended cab, Slide in Camper that weighed 3,000lbs + I put 150,000 miles on that truck with minimum repairs needed.

@mikedorothygorley6829 6 ай бұрын

When I first saw that Ram I figured that it was a result of constant stress on the frame thank you for going in to detail so many people need to know a d understand to keep this from happening

@zerochance8581 7 ай бұрын

You nailed it. Well done.

@timgiesin4025 Жыл бұрын

Great video very good explanation of the issue

@hectorescobedo2398 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for the info! Very smart ! God bless you!

@ashlynntaylor6045 6 ай бұрын

I think your explanation of the frame failure is correct. I am a retired commercial driver, and these loading and axle weight distribution concerns are issues we had to often deal with.

@PatrickWagz 7 ай бұрын

Great explanation. Leverage is a powerful thing.

@ronbrosseau9790 2 ай бұрын

Great video. Very honest and not brand specific. Yes. It can happen to any brand.

@paulrouis3298 7 ай бұрын

Good desciption of a fatigue failure JD! At a lower load level the number cycles can be almost unlimited but close to yield the number drops precipitously. Especially if the frame capacity was reduced by drilling holes for the tie-downs. If the center of gravity was a bit behind the axle/pivot point the static condition is an upward load so each bump is a load reversal which is worse than a downward load that changes in intensity.

@trustme7731 Жыл бұрын

Anyone remember in the past when people would ride around in the pick up box? You were typically warned not to hold on the the front wall of the box. Sometimes it banged into the back of the cab.

@patrickdineen278 6 ай бұрын

Good insight, Thank You

@truebalsamhogs Жыл бұрын

Excellent information. Well presented and explained. Appreciate you making this and other videos.

@DJL625 7 ай бұрын

Excellent information, very helpful !

@firetrain3 7 ай бұрын

I don't agree with your assessment entirely. This event is extremely rare considering the number of these truck campers on the road. Although overloading the truck bed happens, I believe that the problem has more to do with a weak truck frame due to the following reasons:. Leaving that much weight on a truck for a long period of time, can certainly cause weakness in the truck frame. I speak from the experience of having a heavy camper on my 2004 3500 dually diesel. I never left that weight on the truck unless I was on the road. Once parked, I put the camper jacks down and took the weight off of the truck. Although I was overweight, I never had a problem. The other probable causes have to do with the way people drive. Slow down for curves and steep terrain because the weight of the camper shifts from side to side and front to back as the terrain changes. That weight shift puts extreme tension on the frame which can cause failures. Driving in high winds also puts an enormous strain on truck frames which can cause failures. The point is to slow down in changing terrain and road conditions and park in high winds. You should never exceed 55 mph when top heavy. It seems reasonable to me that a combination of these conditions is what most likely caused these frame failures. Just my humble opinion.

@DanneyTanner 6 ай бұрын

He is right on the flexing will crack metal over time.But number 1 killer of these truck frames is interstate roads . Interstate roads are not all flat and if you watch trucks down the interstate they will porpoise going down the road due to uneven roads. For some reason when they lay cement on Interstate roads they do it one section at a time. And they're not always able to keep the road flat flat like it should be. Interstate 40 is a bad interstate compared to some of them. Another thing too is any weigh that you put behind the back axle multiplies higher than what you're actually putting on it. That's why you notice the front end of your truck will go up in the air when you start to add weight farther back behind the axle . Because it's actually taking weight off of the front end and putting it right onto the back end. So if you have a truck camper and a trailer behind it you are really over stressing that truck frame

@VetBodGaming Жыл бұрын

When I first saw that you were the first person I thought of and clearly he was way over his payload capacity. Your channel has been so hopefully in learning about trucks as someone who got my experience towing construction trailers or military vehicles where we never really worried about it

@lamountdais9319 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your video, I learned so much.

@howardkeil1526 6 ай бұрын

Good video this also directly points out that adding springs are airbags does not put any weight to the front of the vehicle it just makes the rear level while you overload it.

@PygmySurfer Жыл бұрын

One thing I don't think you mentioned, he actually had two bikes hanging off the back as well. I'm not positive, but I think they might've been eBikes, so probably a couple hundred pounds. I'm surprised he wasn't doing wheelies down the highway.

@nedwhite2524 7 ай бұрын

I believe you are spot on. well said.

@MarkBurch0704 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this information. I have been watching the videos while considering a 2008 Chevrolet dually diesel for a fifth wheel we are buying. However, in looking up the ratings, I see that the maximum for this year and truck model is 16,000 lbs. I don't understand how trucks increased their capacities so much in recent years. This truck also had a tuner on it for increased HP and torque. But since the fully loaded capacity of our fifth wheel is 18,000 lbs, I decided to pass and wait until I can find a truck with a greater capacity. Even though I saw some 3/4 tons with supposedly high capacity, after subscribing to this channel, I think our soon to be owned 43', 15,000 lb empty fifth wheel will be towed by a dually with a diesel.

@craigescapeddetroit5198 6 ай бұрын

Very instructional, good video.

@marcuswhite1403 6 ай бұрын

Great explanation

@dogood63 2 ай бұрын

Another factor to consider is if the vehicle is exposed to salt (salt on icy roads or sea salt). Northern trucks and trucks from sea side communities are notorious from having salt rust problems. I saw a truck for sale at a great price, but discovered that it lots of rust and several significant size holes in the frame from past salt exposure.

@e.a.r.9155 Жыл бұрын

The weight in the rear (especially accelerating) causes a slight Lift off in the front putting the weight of Engine, Axle & Cab on that Frame causing a Toothpick snap effect..!

@samcook5227 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure he had frame welded tiedowns and the frame failure occurred at that weld as the frame structure was compromised by it. Weight is always important of course, but in this case it was not a Ram failure, but a user failure in not having the properly installed tie-downs (bolt on is typically preferred) which led to this.

@deltabravo1257 Жыл бұрын

Nope, they were Torklift bolt on frame mounted tiedowns.

@samcook5227 Жыл бұрын

@@deltabravo1257 where was this shared? It is a topic of hot debate as I am sure you can imagine haha

@dsstaang 6 ай бұрын

My buddies folded in the same spot. This is definitely a dodge ram issue. I pull the same trailers with a single cab Ford a older 3/4 ton 7.3. No frame issues, so why would it fold a 1 ton dually & not a older 3/4 ton ford? 12 year's of the same exact load on my truck.

@VetBodGaming Жыл бұрын

Also RAM's towing guide has an option to check your payload by VIN and also has a towing guide which shows the baseline payload by each package, cab, engine, SRW/DRW and 4wd/2wd

@CS-qc7np 8 ай бұрын

More doors = less cargo/towing capacity is what I tell my kids. When son #1 modified his truck, I made him go to a weight station to see how much capacity he lost.

@claytonbigs9630 Жыл бұрын

I put 4 pallets of tile on my flatbed ram 3500 cab-chassis and it felt the best it ever had Each pallet weighed 2500lbs

@ricardoruiz1734 Жыл бұрын

Excelente video

@judyrobertson5564 6 ай бұрын

Very informative video. Thanks for sharing. God bless you and yours.

@jackrowe9807 7 ай бұрын

What you are saying is absolutely true, it all boils down to buyer beware and do your research the manufacturer publishes all the pertinent information so get it and read it. I did on my last new truck and no matter what I threw at it always came through with flying colors.😊

@eyeswideopen7450 7 ай бұрын

Knew all the points mentioned in the video. But still good presentation. many more truck owners should watch this!

@jdollar5852 Жыл бұрын

Every single truck and every single configuration is different. Truck makers give information on each individual truck. RV and other trailer manufacturers give specific information about each trailer. People who are gullible enough to believe marketing hype or a sales pitch are just too lazy or ignorant to do their own research. All these 5th wheels with the "half ton" designation are way too heavy for the majority of half ton pickups. I have an older F150 that can't come close to towing these 5th wheels, yet I had an RV salesman assure me that this Durango could be towed by ANY half ton. He was obviously clueless but I could just as easily have fallen for his advice. Dodge and Ford always advertise these insane towing figures despite the fact that virtually NONE of the trucks on their lots can even come close to those figures. Ultimately, it is up to the individual to determine what is "safe" for them to tow. Adding air bags, sway bars, and weight distribution are great towing aids, but they don't add a pound to your legal cargo capacity.

@edhartley8032 Жыл бұрын

This is why I say you should not go over 80% of your max payload for anything in or on your truck. It will break eventually if you keep overloading it. Even if it is just under or at the max weight, things will break and wear out faster.

@CharlesinGA Жыл бұрын

Good Video. Along with not having looked at the payload capacity on the yellow sticker on the door, the owner never bothered to pay the $12 and drive it across a CAT scale to see what it weighed with the camper on it. Clearly the owner never did due diligence. Several companies make special beds/bodies for cab/chassis designed to carry a large slide on camper and provide storage compartments. They use F550 and 5500 C/C for doing this.

@jamesdriscoll2478 2 ай бұрын

just so you know, truck frames are designed to flex if they weren’t the cab would be connected to the bed of the truck. if you’ve ever looked at a flatbed semi empty, there’s an arch when they’re fully loaded, they sit perfectly level. I love the channel. I’m just saying things are a little off on this one. So I’m looking at doing a truck camper and also I pull an open double car trailer which empty is 930 pounds of tongue weight loaded it’s recommended for 23 to 2500 pounds of tongue weight. my ram has a rating of 5393 for payload but my sticker that came in the glove box said 3400 pounds a camper. It’s hard to tell but also look like he had a short bed dually really hard tough from that picture

@kvboyd Жыл бұрын

Good explanation. I always wondered how the frame snaps.

@alanw737 Жыл бұрын

Great explanation! I feel for the dude because that’s an expensive repair, if not totaled.

@jspeedadventures Жыл бұрын

Estimate was $17,000 I believe.

@alanw737 Жыл бұрын

Is that $17,00 include a new bed?

@JayHBoomerSooners7 Жыл бұрын

Great insight!

@houcemammar5766 2 ай бұрын

This guy absolute a genius ! He gets it ! Spot on. Its all bout pivot point long wheel base with axle all the way back will definitely help. Also watch tongue weights on your trailer

@jesusrochin2772 6 ай бұрын

Loved this video, it really helps others understand the differences between a traditional dialog pickup truck compared to a chassis cab configuration. For example one of my work trucks is a 1999 Ford F-450 2WD chassis cab with the V-10 gas, ours is outfitted with a box 15 feet long 8 feet wide and 6 feet tall. We use it as a chip truck for my tree service company. The truck empty weighs about 12000 lbs when fully loaded it can range from about 22000 to as high as 28000 lbs. in addition to that that truck must tow around a wood chipper behind it that weights 6800 lbs. We use it everyday and obviously have never had an issue and I genuinely never worry about that. That type of weight can’t even be put on a brand new F-450 PICKUP TRUCK or any of the other manufacturers equivalent trucks. I hope people learn from this video and educate themselves a bit more before adding all kinds of crazy weights to a truck just because it might have more than enough engine.

@sparkywatts3072 8 ай бұрын

I watched a late seventies F450 Ford wreaker buckle the frame trying to lift a vehicle out of a stream. I would assume the newer more modern wreakers have some sort of torque limiting system to protect the frame. Good video and a great explanation of this potentially deadly situation.