I appreciate that and completely agree! I’ll make you a deal: I’ll send these pieces of junk to you, and you can send me those speakers you just reviewed in exchange. Thanks for watching, Erin. Stop telling people to put speakers 2 feet away from the walls! 😂🤣😅

@@Newrecordday2013 lol!!! from now on I'm gonna say you recommend putting them right next to the wall.

@@Newrecordday2013 honestly I really liked seeing the in room measurements in the 1’ increments. Really puts some data to what we hear.

don’t forget to check out erin’s fine review of these 888s 🎉

@@Newrecordday2013at least he knows better than to be putting them near room modes 8 feet out like some weirdos do 😂

And the reverse also holds.

@@fonkenful AGREE!!!!!

transmission boxes are doin that job really good

@@markovlasic1978 transmission boxes have nothing to do with ichigobankai2343 comment.

and the other way around applies as well. and lower mids can affect bass. all kinds of things affect things, in mix engineering it’s called masking

I guess you forgot to timestamp this one. No worries. I gotchu, NRD Hawk Tuah reference 19:41

Thank you!

Depending on the room size, i'd pick the concept 500.

Ah thanks! Erin is fantastic!

Welcome!

I agree. And Albert Von Schweikert does too. My VR-4 Generation II cross up to mid at 185 Hz. Also has lower at 65 Hz and double transmission line.

The three 8” drivers are fairly far apart, and the directivity narrows as frequency goes up. You will get beaming and phasing starting to happen as you raise the frequency, and I’ll bet that Jones labored greatly at settling on 130Hz. The reviewer stated that driver integration was superb, so I’m thinking Jones chose correctly.

@@TheMirolab within hundreds of hz you are fine with meters of spacing, lets say 200hz you can place woofers a meter apart. and my point was the benefit from increasing the crossover point, not the possible drawbacks.

I think that would be low to crossover it wasn't using such a large mid . That's subwoofer territory. I have heard some expensive 3 ways that didn't blend right because they crossed low with to small of a mid . On the other hand I have designed a 2 way with a 10 "woofer crossed at 1400 with a 3 rd order crossover that sounds and measured amazing. I can crank it with no distortion, but the cabinet is built like a tank literally.

Many thanks!

Thank you!

Glad you like them!

I think I would like the 10s better myself. Of course I would be adding a pair of subs. lol.

Hey, thank you so much. I do appreciate it.

The 10's are fantastic! Im a big fan of those speakers.

I as well. To me they sounded closer to the reference tracks.

Me too 10s for me.

I can hear what Ron is talking about, the extra crispness in the vocals and the extra bass in the vocals too. It seems the 888's are more natural, closer to the recording but the 10's may be more exciting for some.

@@yl1974 Agree!

lol chck your ears... the 10s add a shimmer I found annoying and not needed on songs... as most songs have enough shimmer already

I have the 10’s and I added a Martin Logan dynamo 1100 sub, and E.Q the treble on some tracks -2 db and it’s absolutely amazing

Well said!

Why only compare to Mofi? Why might someone opt for these over some of your other favorites or the other way around?

@@glenschneider5978 I assume you are asking Ron, but I think I understand why. The sound signature is essentially the same as the other models. I believe he has already compared a pair of the Source Points to other speakers in another review.. Doing it here would not not be much different and esentially repetitive. The real question in this review, is why would you choose the Triple 8's, over the other Source Point models? And is the the extra cost worth it. I think that is what Ron was trying to answer with this review.

@@JoeDogInKC how do you come to that conclusion? You've heard them side by side?

@@ufarkingicehole I came to that conclusion by listening to the audio in the video on headphones with the descriptions showing what was playing. Now, it is possible that NRD had different EQ settings set for the 888’s that he had dialed in and forgotten about, but I did make an assumption that with the intent being that we were supposed to listen to the differences, he would have left the same EQ settings to compare them all.

@JoeDogInKC No EQ is used. You are hearing the speakers recorded with nothing altered or changed other than volume matching. Thanks!

@@Newrecordday2013 Awesome, thank you for confirming my assumption there. The 888’s do certainly sound great and likely more pleasing to most people, even if not quite as accurate.

This

Problem for us Europeans is we cant easy get GR equipment, unfortunately.

@@mrt6349No. purchase at GR research homepage , it will calculate freight cost and all. Add on VAT and you got. Even cheaper then CSS from Soundimport.

You got that right!

Heck yeah!

Wow thanks!

you need to dispel notions... your ears will suffer before the speaker even starts to notice their too loud

Hey Ricky, I had a feeling you were gonna notice that one!

Thats correct!

There is no empirical “best”, just what is best for you, and that depends on a whole host of variables such as the size of your listening room, configuration, what kind of music you like, what kind of bass you like, whether the speakers will double for home theater, etc…

Just wait till you hear the new SVS prime pinnacles

@homeaudiobasics Haha I know. Another 5k pair I believe!!

@@evilmonstertruck Having said that, You can’t go wrong with the Caladans. Clayton Shaw is a genius.

Thank you kindly

Thanks again!

I couldn’t let him have all the fun!

@@Newrecordday2013I can’t be the only subscriber with my headphones at the ready, awaiting the inevitable sound clips; regardless of what some YT experts proclaim, I find they can be a useful tool in showcasing the highlights of differences between speakers, and to paraphrase one of that cohort “the only person to whom you need to justify your subjective opinion is you.

@@fonkenfulif your room and equipment is the same

@@Harrisongrey19I’ll disagree with you there in part; insofar as when listening to numerous of Ron’s sound clips over the past year or so, I can definitely hear differences - some subtle, others not so much. I’m well aware they can’t tell me what any of this gear would sound like in my own rooms. Even with over 50 years in this hobby listening to a high end system in an audio shop’s frankly pretty lousy front room - which I did just yesterday - can’t adequately demonstrate what that gear would do in my space. As much as I don’t enjoy the overall headphone experience, it certainly has its merits with well recorded and produced audio.

Thanks 👍

Except putting hipass filters in the mix,

The 10 is only hot by 2db up top. Yes, I would pass on them too. Fortunately the SP8's are voiced neutrally up top, have you tried them?

In my opinion, no question ... Triple 8's hands down.

Well, the 8's are going to be playing bass through it's only woofer, coloring the mids a bit and reducing the soundstage unless you cross them over really high. But then you end up with localizable bass from the subs so they must be positioned symmetrically near the 8's. And you have to really know your stuff in terms of integrating the subs in order to get them sounding good. I think it would be easier to end up with a great result with the 888's but your approach could work well if done right.

@@bearclaw5115 thanks for the response. If you were integrating just one sub with the 8’a what crossover setting would you start with

@@bearclaw5115localized bass below 150hz? Probably not.

subs do the music very well, the thing is... you KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY INTEGRATE the dual subwoofers in the chain?, the answer very often is NO.

Man I sure do appreciate that!

@@Newrecordday2013 I love a good side quest, never stop taking the side quest for us :) happy 4th.

Thank you kindly!

@@Newrecordday2013 Ron, I really enjoy the comparison between the sound clips, but I think you can take it a step further using shorter clips at times. For instance, playing just 2 or 3 seconds worth of drums on the reference, and then on the speaker being reviewed, would make it even easier for people to hear the difference between the dynamics and impact of the two speakers. A drum sample that starts high and then descends lower and lower into deep, bellowing, thunderous impacts is such a great way to examine a speaker's ability to recreate low end and dynamics accurately. There's a great video on YT titled " Drum Collections - High End Audiophiles SoundCheck - NBR MUSIC." From drum nares, to deep impacts, it's a great jam session style recording. The whole recording is fun to listen to, but there's a great section from the 9 to 9:15 mark that starts high and descends lower with great impact. Probably a great section to compare the ability of two different speakers. Keep up the great work amigo!

@@bencarignan2711 thanks for the suggestion, I’ll look into that!

Haha! Thanks! Yeah, now that showdown would be intense!

Thanks! The shed is 28’ deep, 18’ wide and 11’ high.

My guess he'll like the ATC's for their fantastic midrange. He's probably going to love the Alyssa's for their detail. He won't get on with the Studio 89's that well as they lack some body to notes. Great list.

@@bearclaw5115 Thanks! My older cousins and family friends were always into HiFi growing up, so now that we have our own place, it's fun to explore this space again as an adult and find a system that suits my listening needs.

Very familiar with that track - it’s fantastic

I can hear the difference fairly easily. The 10's have crispier vocals and more bass intrusion into the vocals as well. The 888's come off as more pure to the source but maybe less exciting depending on your point of view. For someone like Ron, these differences are everything. For most of us either will do just fine.

@@bearclaw5115 I should clarify... I could hear a slight difference... and yes the 888s sounded cleaner... but it was subtle and both were extremely close to the source. I mean if you weren't paying attention and doing casual listening... you probably couldn't tell which was which. Its not like a night and day difference.

Hahaha

Appreciate it!