17:19 That looks like the underpass near the Pnc Park stadium as well which would explain the "Go Steelers" spray painted sign

Hmmmm nobody was using drones?

I cannot believe that in this very video you perpetuated the lie of the "there were fine people on both sides" lie. The whole quote is after he said that there were fine people on both sides, "And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly." He was referring to the people there who were not Nazis and were just there to protest the taking down of statues that the media was trying to group into the Nazi camp. The media was trying to portray the right as a monolithic racist group, but also failed to mention all the horrible people on there left in the counter protest group there that only went to incite more violence that were JUST as bad as any racist. Those being people in Antifa. They're all just as reprehensible of a human being and only came to exercise their narcissism. So if you're going to make a video and insert your little opinion on something that happened 4 years ago, at least try to be honest, or at the very least not ignorance of the facts. Because there's no excuse for not knowing at this point, that lie has been debunked a ton of times. That is all.

I cannot believe that in this very video you perpetuated the lie of the "there were fine people on both sides" lie. The whole quote is after he said that there were fine people on both sides, "And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly." He was referring to the people there who were not Nazis and were just there to protest the taking down of statues that the media was trying to group into the Nazi camp. The media was trying to portray the right as a monolithic racist group, but also failed to mention all the horrible people on there left in the counter protest group there that only went to incite more violence that were JUST as bad as any racist. Those being people in Antifa. They're all just as reprehensible of a human being and only came to exercise their narcissism. So if you're going to make a video and insert your little opinion on something that happened 4 years ago, at least try to be honest, or at the very least not ignorance of the facts. Because there's no excuse for not knowing at this point, that lie has been debunked a ton of times. That is all.

just saw it and i loved it 18:02 haha lol,i am from Romania XD u said his name wrong ofc but it's okay I was not expecting to like this movie as much as i did,loved this vid too,thanks

Now it's states that love Baseball vs those against

Exactly what they did

I think the only issue they would agree on is that nobody can agree on anything

They know what they were doing

Exactly what I was thinking

That’s a really good point

So once you get past the idea that journalists are supposed to be neutral (even tho as humans we all have leanings) what’s left? Shallow characters with some neat firefights? An abrupt ending? Some melodramatic death scenes? Meh

in this way, like a responsible journalist, Garland is remaining neutral as well.

@@wiiplaya25 THIS

Neutral journalist lol

I’ve seen this take around and I think it’s inaccurate. The president’s forces are pretty clearly the bad guys in this film. He stayed in office after his 2nd term, disbanded the fbi, which is one of the powers keeping the president in check, and started killing innocent Americans. Although there are “bad people” on both sides the President’s faction are the bad guys.

Wym WF obviously won dummy

@@jman4573 But what side is WF on? Exactly... neutral still...

@@inventions178the anti-fascist side.

I told my brother as soon as the credits rolled, and he even mentioned it, this is Apocalypse Now for the modern era

In real life, it’s called the police and they did it overseas and here working with police department so that’s reality. Where have you been?

it rlly makes u think what could’ve happened to let these soldiers just completely ignore the geneva convention lol

Yeah, That's why I don't believe in soldiers' "I'm just doing orders" shtick. If your orders are morally questionable, and you still follow it, then you should be held accountable.

Like the US troops in Vietnam who killed villagers on orders and then said they were forced to do it. Nuremburg trials beg to differ.

@@LilySteph1949meds, now

YES. should be scary enough for Americans, being in a constant state of war, but had only one on their own soil.

That is the biggest complaint I have seen about this film, and I thought it was the best part. Anyone with a brain can then pick any of the events that started the war. It doesn't matter, like was it the president just declining a election for a 3rd term that started it? Or did the war start before that? What is the reasons for a 3rd term? You get to use your mind and decide for yourself

those fuckin sunglasses lol.

​@chuckmoney3799 It is a horrible movie. It should make you care about something or feel something. It makes you feel nothing. Kirsten Dunce just has a resting b**** face the whole movie then gets scared at the end and gets killed. Then the president gets killed movie over.

While I love worldbuilding it was great that there was no background on the “why” just that it is. Also California and Texas are economic powerhouses with immense military resources. It would make sense for them to join up (with nm, az and nv included). They have the resources to make a huge difference militarily and economically. Everyone thinks about culture war BS, but these neoliberal states would be smart to join together.

Yes, and at the winter-ambush one of the soldiers even explains it, something like: "We don't know who is commanding us, but a sniper is shooting at us - so we shoot back."

what outcome? hurr durr war bad?

100% correct.

You are absolutely correct.

and...........

@burntrivercomedy9185: Thanks for clearing that up. Nobody knew about the militia which has had members sentenced for Jan 6th involvement as early as this year.

Yessir, I thought that immediately when I saw it.

Everyone is just assuming this. It's never explained so what if it's just a rebel force built of multiple smaller forces from throughout different regions that combine with those two main states. Just because the map is shown doesn't mean it's concrete.

The WF, Western Forces, were also after the president

They weren't, they are just the two they are embedded with in the end. The Florida Alliance is mentioned a bunch as well in the movie, and realistically for all we know we could have seen them in certain scenes(like the one where they are with unmarked rebels)we just don't know for sure, which is the point. You are seeing the movie from the perspective of the journalists, who likely have minimal idea of who they are really with or what is really going on as well due to the fog of war. Syria's civil war IRL was a lot like this, many many armed groups fighting in loose coalitions against a centralized authority. Often times journalists would be with who they think are one group only to find out later they are with another, etc. That shit becomes very messy on the ground. CA and TX in the film were in a coalition known as the Western Forces, and they seemed to be more centrally organized from a military standpoint. The fighters they were with earlier in the film however never identify what side they are with and seemed a lot less organized, not to mention the group of snipers they encounter in the film who outright refuse to identify who they are with at all. All of this lack of context is kind of the point, to the journalists it doesn't really matter who they are fighting for or why, it is just about the story, and that in and of itself has a ton of moral implications etc. It also from the little context we have sounded like the fight in DC was a bit of a race, Sammy likens it to the "race for berlin"(referencing the fall of Germany in WWII)where both the US and the USSR were racing to see who could get there first. It seems like the WF just happened to get there first before the Florida Alliance, not that they were the only ones going in. Some states also stayed loyal to the federal government or under their control in the film it seems, but it is unclear how much control they actually had over this area or how loyal they really were considering the first speech you see the president make in the movie is a bold face lie about them making military gains, and how PA is marked as federal territory on the map but clearly was contested as the main characters were driving through.

I believe the southeast (Florida) Northwest and then WF (CA and Texas) were agains the president, but everyone else was loyalist

Exactly: the Balkanization of the US.

I’m glad he lost all that weight, he looked terrible in El Camino, the breaking bad movie

Also two large standing military joint forces in both states. Both with large National Guard troop numbers, which seems to be the majority of their force in the film

That makes sense and that definitely would happen as the director said

Plus they where both there own nations, have the biggest economies in the nation, plus are just the largest of the continental states.

@constructking8850 City states. I never thought of it like that. Old school like Sparta and Athens.

Or maybe the history in this fictional world is totally different to our own? Maybe California is still a conservative state?

That's somethin a lot of people have been talking about, but I think we can just assume he didn't notice because they were so close to the president

I think the point was meant to be that their jobs mean that in the moment the job takes priority. And that was getting to the president. His emotions were turned off in the moment. When Sammy died he had the time in the moment to focus on it.

To be fair, Joel did not mourn Sammy until they were safely in camp. He could be mourning Lee later. At the end of the movie, he had one job to do , which is to make their deaths mean something. This is how each one of them operated in the movie. It is pretty consistent.

I think it's important to note that he and Lee were there to interview and grill the president, but when Lee was killed, Joel was visibly upset and asked for a quote instead before letting the soldiers kill the president. His mood and motive definitely changed after his friends started dying and eventually his partner was killed

to be fair Joel didn't process Sammy's death until the work aspect was done and they were at camp, and then he immediately went back to working right after. Very similar situation in the white house, and it is clear by the way he interacted with the president he was reeling with it in that moment as well. No questions, just a quote. He didn't want to interview him anymore, he wanted him dead. A lot of the stuff in this movie was subtle IMO and would require a second watch through.

I think he was trying to escape because he knew the end was near and he got caught before he could escape.

Maybe the bunker under the White House is just a myth.

I’m guessing the WF had intel on the escape tunnels and either destroyed them or blocked them. They had captured several loyalist generals days earlier and the attack came sooner than expected likely because of the intel from the captured generals.

I think the bunker is only good if you KNOW there will be a relief army coming to save you. But in the movie those secret service guys are probably the very last of the last defense they have left. If they hide in bunker they'll just slowly die of starvation. They also have secret tunnels to use but I'm assuming some of the WH defectors leaked the info out and those tunnels were also under siege and blocked off.

Despots are usually huge narcissist. Because, of this they suffer from delusions of grandeur (they don’t believe that they will ever get caught or that they will still win a war that is clearly over.) You can see his narcissism during the drive to D.C where he is still saying that we will win, and that victory is close when clearly it isn’t. Also someone mentioned that the generals surrendered. They probably gave up the locations of the bunkers and other places.

or they purposely leave things out because journalism is dead

Wouldn’t journalist be the most informed?

@@fusser935 LMFAO have you been under a rock the last 7 years???? They are propagandist and activist now. You obviously choose the blue pill Neo.

But they will happily make on up

@@PureEvil1138 Not really but k

Thank you 100%

Yep. Cali and Texas being red vs blue is irrelevant when a bigger problem is afoot. In the movie, it's no longer red vs blue. Now it's anti-government vs pro-government. Texas and Cali care more about replacing the corrupt government than fighting over democratic or republican differences.

They are.

"smoking weed and other atrocities" Are you having a laugh?

@@Americanbadashh Using drugs while on a job is not professional.

they literally use adderall in the navy seals and they were smoking straight up weed in Vietnam lol

@@theonlydiego1 It's a plant, this ain't the 1960s anymore

Would’ve helped if the characters had depth

What added depth in the characters are viewers looking for? Can’t one infer much about the characters from what we are shown of them?

@@wiiplaya25 Kirsten Dunst had it in spades. Where were you?

yea the film was definitely about the morality and implications of journalism in war time, the civil war in America was very much just a setting to make the feelings one would feel more visceral for the American market. One could have easily set this movie in the Syrian civil war and it would largely be the same, the American component was just to drive home the surreal nature of the work etc. that is often lost to the American perspective when it takes place somewhere so far away. Was very smart from a film producing stand point tbh

The problem is they marketed this film off of a “Civil War” and what that would look like. You can’t promise your audience a specific story and not deliver.

. . . which is more likely, frankly.

I choose to believe it was antifa getting massacred since it ties in with the authoritarian things we see referenced, such as how the US government is described as bombing their own people.

Makes sense considering they had that more socialist factions in the north US in the movie.

@@lucaspapadopoulos3063 they literally tell you in the movie that the president is a far right dictator on his third term. Do you people not pay attention to the movies you watch?

I could see that except for they’re fighting under one flag, if they had no plans on forming a nation/state/republic together they would might be allied but they would have separate flags.

You are correct. That scene takes place in Virginia and that’s where there HQ is at in real life.

I don’t know about them all being Boo’gs. They may have former Alphabet Soup Agency operators. Example: Josh Brolins character in Sicario.

We still wear them

@@Bluis5445 😊😊😊😊😊

Call the ODNI, we got another chief intelligence analyst here folks 😂

Hollywood

I was thinking the same dang thing. Just take the pres out of the back door. Or anywhere else literally anywhere else. Or in a bunker like 80 floors deep and just hole up for a few weeks

There are tunnels and bunkers in DC everywhere. The only reason a POTUS would stay in DC during a civil war would be because it was secure. Not hiding under a desk.

You tell me why Boe Jiden made the fence 13 feet tall around the White House 😮😂😂😂

X2 made sense because Nightcrawler imitated the attack. But if the war is on the front lawn of the White House in a civil war, it is a leap of logic why he is not in a bunker or something. But the director wanted that final capture and execution, which otherwise would not happen. Can’t be perfect.

Evil Matt Damon was chilling 😂

Channeling Todd Alquist

What kind of American are you?

I totally agree and I’m American. I kept coming back to “this was made by a Brit”. it’s very voyeuristic

y'know what freaks me out? how northern France is littered with fields still toxic from the war to end wars. I'm less afraid of a civil war than i am of the shellings empires give to one another.

Lol, when "civil war" broke out in Europe twice in the 20th century, everything that happened in this movie happened on a massive scale. Did you remember WW1 and WW2?

muito orgulho né

I think Full Metal Jacket has a scene of soldiers doing it for fun.

tell that to basically any mainstream "Journalist" nowadays

@@v4valencia1 reporting with opinion, side, slant or spin isn't journalism it's propaganda. Yes people eat it up yes there are networks devoted to it and created for it but it's not news or journalism.

There's no such thing as unbiased journalists anymore

Nothing can be unbiased journalism

@@Anarchist_communist Not true. We're just used to bias everywhere now.

Yes, thank you - was hoping someone else caught that! The wearing of those colors/usage of them on the wall is very much intentional.

I saw that too - are they in the same faction/militia?

It really seemed like the western alliance was the governmental forces of the two states rather than the citizenry.

Errrrrrbody agrees on money though.

Remember when Kevin Durant went to the warriors? Sometimes you just want the other best player on your team

not really. If both state's goals were to secede from the federal state why wouldn't they cooperate in that goal? They would be going their own separate ways at the end of the fight, all they would need to agree upon is that the federal government has to be gone lol, which clearly they would both agree on if their goals were secession. It would be more weird if they refused to work together on achieving that goal strictly off of ideological differences. Germany and the USSR were ideologically opposed in the 30's yet they both cooperated in their mutual goal of splitting Poland up lol. The enemy of my enemy is my friend is a really simple and old concept in human interaction, don't see why so many people here don't get that. Also Texas and Cali have incredibly linked economies and populations the same way FL and NY do lol, arguably even more so. ideological differences do little to change these socioeconomic and logistic facts.

@@Fatblue246 but that was not the western alliances goal - quite the opposite they seem to be fighting to keep the union together.

Of course...with them leaving it up to us, don't blame us for asking what the heck was going on.

California is only blue because of the cities. You leave LA, San Fran and it becomes Red, real fast.

Not really, the star represents becoming a state without ever being a territory like Texas. It doesnt represent Texas but has the same meaning behind the Texas lone star.

Gas lighter to Gas attendant ???

It is, but at the same time I can’t enjoy the film with all of those questions in my head because the lack of any clarity or context makes it frustrating to understand the world. I mean, that’s world building 101 after all.

@@mkdemigodzillawarrior the point is to not have world building though. You are seeing it through the fog of war and the eyes of a journalist in said fog. There isn't supposed to be an explanation because the movie isn't about the conflict it is about morality of war correspondence and the consequences surrounding it etc.

@@mkdemigodzillawarrior For me, having all of these unanswered questions made me feel like I was just as confused as some of the citizens would feel having no access to information or communication services, only able to focus on what's right in front of them at any given moment. Maybe try rewatching with this sort of mindset once it hits streaming

That's what I'm saying

Yeah, his bias was apparent early on in the video so no surprise

"Summer of Love"

@@coolichka42the summer of love. Over 100 days straight of peaceful destruction

Ironic while talking about a movie thats theme is around journalism, he openly discredits a journalist that records evidence of violence from a politically charged group 🤦‍♂️

Seriously. The number of Gen Z people I know who can’t navigate anything outside social media when it comes to tech is ridiculous. Throw them in front of a PC & they are more confused than Boomers.

​@@FigmentForeverexactly

A paramilitaire force or not, they are still wearing suits and having only some MP5 with them.

Technically, those all could have happened after the war started.

I don't think he was a white supremacist.

Perhaps. Although I don't think its a white supremacist faction but likely is deploying a variety of soldiers or militia like Plemons character that is supposed to push into enemy territory and cause chaos and fear. We don't know much of his character. Its possible he is a ex-convict the faction deployed for the sole purpose of causing destruction and chaos, well regular troops deals in more important issues.

Defund the FBI😂

There is also the mention of the Antifa Massacre, which could indicate the government cracking down on groups like Antifa.

Please don’t turn the movie into something of real life

@@LilySteph1949 our revolution will not be divided by state but by class

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Good luck with that 😂

I think we all can, I would believe that we can get drafted soon, fighting in the urban of DC IS CRAZY

Hopefully.

Anything to restore sanity to this country. The left has gone too far.

Rookie mistake am'i'right my boys?!

domestic journalists do but war correspondents seldom spin a narrative. not the ones actually there at least. They mostly just record, which has a lot of ethical implications and questions within itself, which the film 100% was addressing. You're conflating all journalism with a specific niche of journalism.

@@Fatblue246 That's an important distinction. Thank you.

Yeah, but then he shows his bias and shits on another fellow journalist at the end of the video

Don't 'Half-ass' one civil war 'whole-ass' several civil wars.

Nah. Boogalloos!

Exactly. Bias on full display