Absolute gold! Great info and here I thought the 2 measures were the same. Didn’t realize you pay different based on US vs metric named tires. The weight difference on the mudders is huge!

the difference in price is due to the overall production volume. it takes a lot to set up a machine to manufacture a tire, the more made on a particular run, the cheaper the tire can be. check out the price of a 225/60r16 vs a 225/55r16 or a 235/75r15 vs a 235/70r15 or a 205/55r16 vs a 205/50r16 or a 265/70r17 vs a 265/65r17. common sizes have lower prices. also, tires that are a stock size on a vehicle will be a much lower price.

Thank you for pointing this out! I noticed this phenomenon a while back when comparing tire sizes for a potential prerunner build on my '94 Silverado. Nearly all offroad tires that were sized in inches were more expensive than their metric sized counterparts, and to varying degrees depending on rim size and width. It's definitely a scam to squeeze more money out of off road guys used to buying tires by the size in inches.

I searched for 35's, but came across this video. All I have to say is wow. I never knew, and thank you. Hopefully BF Goodrich/Firestone hasn't off'd you yet

Ground clearance is pretty importance for soft sand driving. A diff hitting a dune will act like a anchor. But yes, people that sell 35s know their buyers will pay that much for them. This is a great video!

We ignored cost and weight and wear, all we cared about was the punctures and cuts resistance of the sidewalls, and how much we could fit. We went with KM3s because the Maxxis Trepador M8060 wouldn't fit, and there was no M/T Baja Boss Powerply XD at the time. BFG had a video out, I wish I could find it now, of the KM3 sidewall over a sharp edge of angle iron, loaded, not even a scratch. That sold us. The tread isn't as aggressive as Firestone's MT2, but everything else is better, no regrets. We have 285/75R16 on a '99 Suburban

You did a good job here and I don’t want to sound critical. My two cents…the height numbers the manufacturer give you from the catalog are not the the same as the “actual mounted height” on the rim in the real world. Thanks subscribed!

been doing this for years, its the same scam for any tire with a inch label, 33,35,37,39 its the same scams glad its being made into a video to expose cooperate markup

EXCELLENT video! Thank you! I never would have known. I have a '22 Diesel Rubicon JT, and am almost ready for a new set of tires. This is great information.

Thanks for this video bud! You are absolutely right! I was going to buy the Falken RT01 35x12.50r22 for $579 each. I researched and found the 325/50r22 for $413 each! That's like $700 savings in the set of four! Thanks again Nick!!!

My last work truck was a 2015 F250 diesel. It weighed 9700 lbs with parts and tools loaded. Had 80 PSI Firestone tires on it when I got it. I average driving 150 miles a day to and from work, Had 4 blowouts in 3 years going 75 mph down the highway almost flipping the truck twice. I work in mining, so the truck is subjected to loose rock, ruts and just all around bad conditions. I have never made it to 30,000 miles from Firestone or Michelin in the 80 PSI 10 ply tires. My tire guy suggested I go with 12 ply's at 60 PSI, that was 3 years ago and those same tires are still on the truck with about 60k miles on them. I recently got a 2023 Ram 2500 that came with 10 ply, 80 PSI tires new. Switched them out at 50 miles to 12 ply. I'll never do 10 ply on a heavy truck again, it's just dangerous TBH.

I run 285/75/18 which is 34.8 inches in the Toyo tires I run. I just brought 285/75/17 for my JEEP truck which is 34.1 in tall tire. I got Goodyear Duratrac RT which is a “new” tire as the long running Dura Trac except now it has 3-ply sidewall where old Dura Trac was 2-ply. Great video. 👍

Great info. Have a gladiator with 33's and wanted 35's. It's not so much the money for me as the weight. These things are dogs as it is. Cannot "afford" another 80'lbs of weight. By the time you add lights, bumpers and all the other stuff, these things are like farm tractors.

I run the 295/70R-18's and love them. I may try 285/75R-18's next though. Narrower and taller then 35's and better fuel economy.

Appreciate the info, I was actually pricing them earlier today I'm definitely going for the 295s 👍👍

Great info, the only thing i wish you had taken the time to explain is how metric tire sizes read COMPLETELY different. Everyone i meet thinks the first number (like 295) is the height.

There is SOOO much more to this conversation that the oversimplified numbers you’re focused on. Bottom line is that the 35’s aren’t for everyone, but you’re wrong if you think they aren’t for anyone.

I live in FL, I have these Falken Wildpeak AT3s in 33" on a F150 SC. They also work great in mud, sand as well as wet or dry interstate. First set I've ever owned & at 49 years old, the best set of ATs I've ever owned & will not buy any other brand since owning these. I've got over 40k miles on mine and they still look new. Best tire on the market imo

Was looking at tires bigger than 33 but smaller than 35 for my sierra 1500. My dealer gets the best prices on BFG so I went with KO2s. 17 inch rim, they make a 34x10.5 17! I thought I would go for that, when I found they make a 285 75 17, which measures out to about 33.9x11 or so. They were about 75 dollars less per tire, and just like you said they are 80psi rated, not 65. Metric is the way to go!

Great stuff, I ended up getting metric more so for fitment and rubbing but good to know it's cheaper. Lots of stuff to learn for sure!

Hey I’m in total agreement with you on this. I rather have metric size which can be taller than a standard size. Your better with a narrower tire. I’ve had large mud tires on numerous trucks but years back I switched to metric. Excellent video

You should make another video comparing alot of different tires I had 35x12.5 and went down to a slightly smaller tire saved 800$ on 4 tires The 35 I bought back in 2017 they were 505$ can for 1 tire and now the same tire is 560$ Hense why I went to a smaller size saved 50 lb and a pile of money 4 tires ready to mount were 1600$ Tires in Canada are insanely priced

ASE certified mechanic that worked at a tire shop for many years and I can say this is some great info. Only thing not mentioned is you also GAIN off road traction from a skinny tire so if your rig is more than a mall crawler there is no reason to buy high flotation tires! Great video!

I live in west Michigan where we also get a lot wet snow. I've tried almost every brand of AT tire on the market and always end up going back to BFG. I tried the Wildpeak because they were a few hundred bucks cheaper, and all the yt reviews praising it. I "saved" a few hundred bucks over BFG's to get a tire that worked the same in snow, better in rain, but wore out in half the amount of miles. This was on my 2006 silverado 1500 4X4 winter beater, 265/7017 load range E, because I like a stiffer side wall for trailering. When I say winter beater the truck is mechanical perfect, but has rusty rockers and rear wheel wells. I am a mechanic by trade and always replace any worn parts and do an alignment myself when ever I replace tires. I rotate them every 5,000 miles when I change the oil. To me the $200 bucks saved was not worth it, my BFG's always wear like iron. You results may very... On a side note I'm also a Jeep/ offroad fanatic. That 80lb " savings " on the BFG is rotating weight and not going to effect a truck or gladiator nearly as much as a sports car, but that extra rubber may mean the difference between getting a punctured side wall, or not. The only time I'm going to care about that extra 20lbs per tire on a 34" tall tire is when I'm mounting, balancing, and rotating them.

The 35 is not meant to be a heavy load tire, it’s got a heavy sidewall to drop pressure real low and conform to the terrain where as the 295 is meant for flat ground and maybe a yard, not big rocks and rough terrain. You only show one part of the situation but not the main point of the 35. The point is you don’t buy 35s to haul things which is pretty much common sense, you buy them to do the serious off-roading and I’m not talking about getting unstuck from a ditch

You’re 💯. The tire that came on my truck is a 285 70 R18, cheaper than a 35x12.50 and has a higher load index.

Curious to hear your educated opinions on tires for 2013 F250 (6.7), in coastal NC (no snow), almost all on road driving, some towing up to 10,000. Currently have Dynapro AT2 LT325 / 60 R20. Priority is tire longevity (miles), MPG, road performance, towing, tire noise and finally off road performance.

My new-to-me RAM 3500 came with 35" tires. When it comes time to replace them, I'll go with 295s. Thank you for illuminating this subject! 🙏🏻

Not just 80 pounds, but 80 pounds of unsprung weight!

I'm glad the algorithm switched things up because I'm about to go from 37s to 35s and this saved me some money. Thanks a lot, Nick. L&S'd this guy for this video alone.

I discovered this a while ago, but without as many crunched numbers. I run essentially a 34.2, rather than a 35. Saves me (in 2024) nearly $135 a tire.

Was just pricing tires for my old square and this video certainly rings true. I just wanted 33s but a 33x12.50r15 which was actually a 32.2 vs the equivalent which was a true 33 but it's a 10.50r15 had higher load range higher speed and weighed less. In addition it was about $50 cheaper per tire. While the wider tire is preferred I couldn't overlook the differences. Especially for a truck that will be going into storage in another month until next summer.

Great info. How do the 295s look on the truck? Any clearance issues? I had 305s on my 98.5 dodge and loved them.. Can't wait for the stock tires to wear out so I can justify getting larger ones..

Nick all good points I’m in agreement with you on the Falken’s being the best AT tires for dry wet and snow (I’ve run the old style BFG’s AT and the newer KO2’s and the KO2’s are much better in the wet and snow than the older AT’s) but the falken’s are better I’m running the Falken AT3W’s in a 315/70R17 I prefer 17’s in wheel size which translates into cheaper tire cost mine measure in at 34.5 inches tall and 12 inches wide looks great on the truck I run factory steel basic silver wheels I like the utility look on trucks especially the Ram and everything fits inside the wheel well to keep stock geometry plus they are easy to balance and strong as steel because they are I run lower than factory spec air pressures for ride quality but due to the larger more capable tire size even at the lower tire pressure they have the same load rating as the stock set up a lot of people aren’t aware you can still run 17’s if that’s your liking and to your main point about size and cost that’s why I went 315/70R17 instead of 35/12.50R17 which that extra half inch in width of the 35’s would have stuck out some which I didn’t want and the height is basically the same and over all saved some coin win win.

Great video! Love nerding out about tires haha loved the mention of weight difference of all the tires 🤘🇨🇦

My understanding as explained to me from an off road guy is the wider KO2 35 with 123 load index is good for beadlock and airing down while 129 load index thinner tires is too stiff for good air down, but better wear for highway use. I off road only 1-2 times a year so I went with the mm version at 34” and 129 load index KO2

This isn't always true and can vary drastically depending on rim size, load, etc. For instance, a 315/60R20 (34.9x12.4) Geolandar G003 is $170 more per tire than a 35x12.5R20. The 315 is a 125 D load vs a 121 E load, but $170 more for metric. Long story short, everyone should do their research and see what their total options are depending on their size and requirements because there MAY be a cheaper option if certain characteristics (load rating,etc) don't matter to them.

I can't do 35's on mine anyway. For the LT285/70R17 wrangler duratrac, this size is an even 33 according to their website. I may upgrade to this size later on! Thanks for the information!

I purchased 33x12.50 R15 once, I figured out that metric is way cheaper than inches in 2009. Ever since its always been metric sizes soley for the price. And I do not regret it at all.

What would you recommend for 22 laramie with 22 inch wheels

Great video. Btw I live in Saugerties and work in Woodstock. Do you sell tires? I’ll give you the business based off this video alone. I’m looking to buy a set of falken wild peaks. My stock wranglers are worn enough to not do their job in the snow.

I have the wildpeak at3s now and love them in the wet snow and ice. I’m thinking about trying ko2s next. Which do you prefer? I’m in Northern California in the Sierra Nevadas

Hello Nick! I have a 2022 Ram 2500 and was wondering which tire you would recommend for Colorado driving. I have stock 20X8.0 Aluminum Wheels with LT285/6020E OWI tires that came stock on the truck. I do have a leveling kit installed. Id like something bigger than what I currently have to fill up that wheel well a bit. Any advise would be appreciated! I drive a lot of highway miles both in town and up in the mountains. I have basically zero weight in the bed. I do tow from time to time, but very rare. Thanks for the time!

if you go for the smaller tire on the falkens to save the money and its a more narrow tire would you need a whole new set of rims?

I’ve always felt that info was there I was just too lazy to do the math. Thank you!!!!!!

I have a 2017 Ram 2500 Power Wagon. When I bought it (used) it had a set of those same Falken tires on it (brand new tires) instead of the original Goodyear Duratracs that the Wagon comes with new. Now mind you, I’m not rock crawler and currently since my wife is in the military we are stationed where it’s congested traffic and basically 100 percent urban. Yeah, currently the Wagon is a “mall crawler” until she finally retires (in just a couple more years) then it’s back to NW PA for us where we will be in the sticks in the middle of nowhere with lake effect snows and barely an urban location anywhere to speak of, I’m talking peeing off your front porch at lunchtime in full view of the road middle of nowhere. Hopefully then, these tires will show me what they got. I don’t drive much where we are currently, but the few times I have driven, of all places I got kinda “stuck” was in an unfinished (think mud) parking lot next to a muffler shop. When it happened I didn’t even realize the truck was spinning really. It wasn’t even that soupy. I was in 2wd, put it in drive to go pick the wife up at the front door after dropping off our other vehicle and it wasn’t moving. I wasn’t hammering on the skinny pedal, I had just eased off the brake and was going to just let the truck slowly start moving before adding anything to it. It didn’t move at all. Confused, I braked and put it in park. I got out and along with some mud on the side of my truck and caked in the wheel wells those Falken’s (just like what you have beside you in the video) were PACKED with mud and were smooth. I admit, I was kinda shocked. It was cold enough outside that the “mud” was pretty stiff, nearly frozen. It was more on the dry side than the wet side of being mud, as I said….not soupy. I have a ‘52 M37 sitting on 37” NDT’s that would have lurched from that spot with ease. So, I think the Falkens just aren’t as suited to handle somewhat (read: barely) muddy situations as I’d hoped. I think the original Duratrac’s would have done better in that situation. Aside from that one instance they seem like good tires. Time will tell I guess.

(1) KO2 have been the best in wet/snow for me, live in WA where it rains 9 months out of the year, make sure to get the softer tread ones, not the DT. (2) The KO2 has a higher load rating (126/123) than I should ever need for the size I get with my 3500 . (3) the KO2 is lighter than about any other in the same size, 57#. (4) 275/65r20 are a 34” tire and cost $1100 at Costco.

I went from a 295/65/20 Nitto Trail Grap to a 35” Mickey m/t and the 295’s were taller by a half inch 😮

Might I ask how you recommend tire rotation for the 35" size tires? [1] A simple front to rear and rear to front move or [2] X the fronts to the rear and a simple rear to front move. Many Thanks!

YES! They have us by the Short and Curly's because we don't know the Metric System. Dammit. 🤬🤬🤬

Liked your video so much I weighed my stock F150 265/65/17 Ford aluminum wheel with tire 63lbs. Next a 285/60/20 Ford 20x8.5 aluminum wheel Michelin defender 91 lbs. Then 285/55/22 Ford 22x9 aluminum wheel Yokohama GO15 110lbs !!!....wheel 47lbs tire 63lbs 34.75". Alot of wheel, alot of tire and if I didn't have 4.09 gears would suck the life and gas right out of this 5.0. Love the ride and handling. I will say the steering feels alittle heavier and the brakes more normal as with stock w/t's a bit touchy.

Unslung weight is a good thing when you build a real 4x4. OVERLANDING being as much about highway and smooth level two track and gas milage, I can totally hear your argument. I think every build should start with a purpose. #1 what’s the purpose of the vehicle: #2 what’s the best tire to do that purpose:

Thanks to you I get to keep my rims!!! I got 18inch rims and planning to put on 35s - and I've heard there are some 35s that are actually smaller and more confusing info... So I thought about getting 17inc wheels to put 35s - which I wasn't really excited. But now I know about the 295s, I am definitely getting the Falcons for X-mas - thank you! :)

Nice break down … so have you research which brand and model of metric 18 inch diameter tire is closest to a true 35… I’ve been searching and I’m thinking it’s Nittos … what have you found.. because your right the price difference is substantial…

Insane. So glad I found your video. Thanks for saving me some money.

Nick, bought the same truck, what size or with rims do we have on the stock 18s?

Good info, I had no idea 35's weren't actually 35. I'm trying to beef up my 2022 trailboss with 20" wheels and was looking at 275/60 R20 or the Nitto 35 but they're prob close to the same size then?

The last 35’s I bought were Kanati trail hogs. $870 installed. They were the longest lasting at/mt I ever had

I did the same but a 325. Slightly larger. Slight rub now but save about $700-$800

It would have been great if you mentioned and compared tire tread depth! Thanks 😯😏

Gear Off Road 761BM RATIO 761BM-2100819 20X10 5X5.00 / 5X135 (-19) G/A 761BM Ratio (HB 87.1) Gloss Which tire should I put on my gladiator overland 😊

When he was done talking about the short format educational videos and then went right to the point of this video I subscribed 😂

Ok, I am currently running the 35x12.50r20 BFG KO2 on my F-250. The reason I went to the KO2 was to get more miles on the road. I was running Firestone MT 35’s but was only getting 20,000 miles out of them. Now I ran the firestones at 32psi cold & now the BFG’s at 32psi. So when they warm up, they’ll be at 38. I pull trailers & a lot of weight down the road. My main concern is how these will perform in the mud. They’ve been great so far. Those MT’s would beat you to death & the noise was terrible. I don’t care about looks. I care about performance & the cost. I don’t want to be stuck out in the middle of nowhere because of crappy tires. So I won’t know until the wet season gets here but happy so far. If you’re carrying weight & want to air down, 35’s are the way to go.

I purchased a set of Cooper AT3 XLTs 295/70/18 - 34.3” / 61 lbs Great looking tires, quiet, great wet weather handling, 60k mile wear warranty

Good Stuff,Great Tips😄👍🏿2016 F250 (stock)

This video is excellent. Looking today - Tires are now 15% more since this video and there is no 50-100$ savings between the tires anymore.😢 This video is helping me keep my eye on all categories of the tire spec.

Thanks nick. I live in upstate NY and appreciate this video. Subscribed

It's simple listen 5/8mm times the $103 per tire minus the 12 ply dived by the width maybe add 50 buck but the ko2 was was less if you count the psi.

For full sized work trucks being loaded heavy the master race size is 285/75r18. Right at 35" Diameter and a load range of 129 for 4057s lbs. 35" tires are usually softer and have less load range for jeeps and offroad rigs who needs the flexibility

Im looking at the greentrac rough master rt. 35x12.5r20 because they have an 12 ply F rated version but for some reason I can't figure out the load index is only 121 ?? The 10 ply E rated version is 125 load index ???

Hi, I have a 91 yj. With a 3 1/2 lift. 4.3 Chevy v6. And SM 420 4 speed rock crusher. 8.8 Ford rear, D30 front. Both 411. Back in Fla. I did mainly Mud , and Swamps. Now I'm I. SO. CENTRAL Tennessee . I do moderate trails, no boulders, lots of exploring, and camping. I'm looking for all terrains. Preferably 35s due to Ratio problems. And 15 in. Rims... help. Point me in the right direction

My brain broke

I ran the AT3W for one summer wheeling season and had so many sidewall cuts they had to be replaced at only 8k miles. People who don’t actually use their trucks off road seem to love them though 😂

I have a Jeep Gladiator and hate my Federal Xplora MTS 35x12.5 OR 20s I am running. They are too wide and suck in the snow. I want the height but less width. Should I swap them out with the same Falken Wildpeak you purchased?

Just curious nick what's the tyres like on the new ram when you bought it ? Why the change ?

I currently have 35 x 12.5 x 22 - Please suggest the tires your talking about that will fit my truck it's a 2012 Dodge Dually

Wow!!!! I didn't believe you at first, but you are correct! Example nitto trail recon: 35x12.5 17 - 34.53 inches in height - $429 Same exact tire in 315/70r17 - 34.41 inches in height - $362 Thanks for the tip!!

Us tire nerds love doing this type of research and comparison. Love it!

I put 315s on my gladiator and I love them. Absolutely the same height as a 35 and they are a tiny bit narrow compared to a 35 but the weight difference is huge! Factory rims and it didn't change the way it runs or drives!

Whats the closest mm size to a 35x12.5R20 tire?

37’s from military humvee is the way to fly.. bit heavy but come with bead locks.. $200 a wheel! 90-96% tread been using them on my dmax for 2.5 years.. a guy in wi sells just the tires for $100 a piece..

Wow awesome video bro you just saved me big bucks...thank you

37 pategonias m/t weigh less than all 35 m/t. Which is why I bought 37. But every decision has the pluses and negatives. Pateginias by design need to run higher PSI so ride comfort isn't always the best, at least in my setup. However traction off road is much better than a lot of the other tires in the market. My two cents!!!

So what of the ride difference between them?

Yep, spot on. My research pointed me to sticking with the Metric tires when going bigger.

Tire sizes are more of a rough guess than an actual measurement. It varies by manufacture. Cheap inexpensive Chinese tires are much smaller, coopers are generally smaller Goodyear is pretty accurate, and Toyo / nitto are generally larger than listed. It gets noticeable above 31 inches roughly. This is why any tire store and manufacture will tell you not to run different brand tires or even different model tires on four-wheel drive vehicles but especially all wheel drive vehicles. They aren't trying to rip you off they're trying to save your vehicle. The 295 sizes were popularized within the last decade by nitto/Toyo. As new manufacturers enter that sales market their prices are going to be lower to try to get recognition and compete. As time goes on I'd wager that their prices will normalize. Fuel economy and power is greatly reflected by a tires rolling resistance. The larger the tire the greater the footprint on the ground the greater the rolling resistance. Yes the weight has an effect but not nearly as much as rolling resistance. I would assume The extra weight my play into brake life more but that could also be because of the angular momentum of both the extra size and weight, but I can't say for certain.

On my wifes yukon(2022) i had the bfg ko2 in a 35x12.5 r20 they were 320 a tire. Went to a 295x65 r20 and they were 277 a tire. And they're slightly taller and a smidge narrower and seem to handle better. Cant find a 37×12.50r18 that will hold up on my 1 ton. Takes a set every 10-15k.

Both of those prices are ridiculous. Also. Did you make sure they were both light truck tires?

Question sir I have a 2014 ram 1500 and I have 35×12.5×20 tires what's the pressure I should run on them I can't seem to find anything on it?

Great information=Lots of #s. The man makes sense. Thank you.

Great video but I think that the extra plies are worth the trade offs if it saves your tires from objects on trail.

The 12 ply might hold up better off road (like not improved dirt road). For my needs... I doing the Metric size and still gonna bitch because it cost to much! Never understood that. My last set of tires I bought stock take off ATs with newer rims for only 150 more than it cost for a full set of tires and sold my stock rims that came with my truck for 350 dollars. Updated to a look I wanted ended up running out a new set of tires. Looking at some. I had some wild peaks and they didn't wear nice for me. I got under the mileage rating before they were done they were also loud a heck! I went with some other tires next time. This is will be the 6th set on this truck. For my last truck I ended up getting non metric tires because they were roughly the same size and cheaper! Interesting turn around.

I get what you are saying but in 20 inch wheels you can't get 70 series All Terrains, you can go 295/65 x 20 but that is only an 11.5 inch tire, not as wide as most run with the 35/12.5 x 20. So if you want the width and height you are going to pay no matter what no way around it. plus if you go for the width in the metric size with a 325/60 x 20 then you will be paying more than a 35/12.5 x 20 tire.

Good points! This is true in many different things where you have some similar choices.

I also found that most all terrain tires have a very limited or no warranty lesson learned after 3 sets of Goodyear wranglers belts breaking for no reason

Would like to hear the numbers on the Toyo Open Country AT3’s

I put the Continental XLT on my 21 F250 gas love it. 295-70 R 18.

I just saved like 500 bucks… 295/65/20 vs 35/12.5/20… The metric is only 1” narrower and actually 1/2 bigger.. and with the load rating I needed to go up in ply So in order to get a 80 lb tire it needed to be a F with the 35. This guy just saved me a lot of money.

20 years a go I worked for a tire shop. Tire rep constantly said ppl will pay more for imperial b/c they can't do the math for metric.

What’s equivalent for 17inch rim