'arrogant bully' seems like an accurate description based on the behavioral data provided

Pathological bully.

Oreos are healthy ❤

@@MPiKMS72 hard to argue with that

I could have told you that back when he cheated on his pregnant ex-wife and then gaslit her on social media. Dude is a complete narcissist, just a terrible person.

you're welcome

Nutrition beyond very shallow understanding requires diving deeper into metabolism and biochemistry of different body processes, so if you stop at that very shallow level you soon find yourself arguing from authority because you just don't know how that thing your learned works just a single level deeper.

​@@user-pq3vd6oc1c Thanks for stating a fact.

‏He is oiled by big pharma

Actually, Layne is a great example of a person who thinks that because he has a degree in something, he knows everything and that he can act as an a**. I wonder what that makes the people who have been hosting him for years (see PA)

@@ketontracklayne norton is the midwit meme to the nth degree

Exactly. He's in the KZfaq game to make money.

And you think this guy is different huh?

@@jaeLAX23 Nothing wrong with that, to be fair!

@Corkfish1 Nick is definitely different, he is not selling anything.

​@@jaeLAX23Self promotion is also "sales!"

Thank you. I do need to set the record straight on occasion.

True. I do like that he apparently tries to correct misinformation, I don't necessarily like his presentation. His way of trashing others probably mainly appeals to people who don't want to be educated in the first place, but who want to feel superior over others.

Late to the party but just said the same thing to Nick.

brash figures like this are self-limiting. Example: I used to be a fan of Peter Attia. No longer, as his character became obvious over time.

Yeah…. I’d more inclined to award an F for f***wit….

Layne will never debate Nick because he knows he is intellectually out-matched. I think Layne would rather challenge Nick to a weight-lifting competition. 😂

@@catcan221 Now that I could see!!!!!

Bart is a freaking savage.

yea ive listened to Don Layman and he's night and day a breath of fresh air compared to Layne. Plenty of disagreements

appreciate this!

Agreed

We need him to call out all these carnivore, keto, vegan, unqualified zealots who make all or nothing claims about the narratives they’re pushing. Those people need to be humbled And I really don’t think he was harsh about this topic and in fact quite humble, especially for Layne. He didn’t say anything to discredit this research and in fact did praise it But I do agree though that it is frustrating that he won’t accept a discussion. It would be immensely beneficial for us viewers that are not formally educated in nutritional science.

@codyfrisch4378 I don’t see your lives as utter BS lol. But I think carnivore influencers declaring vegetables or fruits are bad for you and it’s the way humans are meant to live is BS. It works for some, makes other feel horrible and there is zero data to support it long term. Just like being vegetarian, just like being vegan.

​@@bobkiaiehumble are you having a f****** girafffe the boy has major delusions of grandeur!

@codyfrisch4378 Religion has saved the lives of many people, no matter the religion, yet each insists they're the only 'correct' religion. Diet zealots are similar and with just about as much fact to back it up. As today's SM victim, Dr. Norton likes to say, when protein and calories are equated, all diets are equally effective. I feel the same way about these diets as I do or people saved by religion, I'm glad it worked for you, but I don't need you to try and save me with it.

This is true

most likely bought off, he defends seed oils with passion.

​@@nicknorwitzPhD You will have to provide an example where you believe Layne is "indoctrinated with the wrong information," other than his review of the LMHR data which is said was "great," I'm not a fan of Layne, but maybe I've been "indoctrinated" with the same wrong information. Layne is middle of the road. He goes after vegan diets, low fat diets just as much as any other diet. I guess he's part of the establishment.

@@BrunoMalmannThat was ultra disturbing

@@jakubchrobry3701 Let me clarify, the statement was "[having a] degree doesn’t mean that he wasn’t indoctrinated with the wrong information." I meant this is true. It's simply a true statement. It's not actually an accusation of an individual, although there is an implication. It's a statement you could apply to me as well. I have a PhD, but that doesn't mean what I say is gospel.

Thanks!

Welcome aboard!

@@nicknorwitzPhD thank you sir!

@@nicknorwitzPhD also, do you have any videos talking about seed oils? Curious as to your thoughts on this topic.

HA!

Norton for sure, Attia i guess significantly more mild based off what I've seen

​@@erxishang61 yeah attia is not as bad as Norton but is still a close minded shill imo. He was rude and acted without class when he had the well respected professor seyfried on his podcast.

Yes they're both social media influencers but Dr Attia works in a very, very lucrative specialty longevity practice.

Yay algo!!!

Not an unreasonable hypothesis...

@@nicknorwitzPhD which is why he is not deserving of your attention or feedback. Stop addressing him, he is not your concern. Your mind is better served elsewhere.

​@@mjr7991 I disagree, this is very refreshing content

@@thehealthofash my view is Nick doesn’t need to convince everyone, just the right people. Layne isn’t one of them. Like everyone, Nick has limited time and resources. If he doesn’t do a lot of these then fine I guess. But he does have a huge task at hand that will likely take several years to breakdown barriers. Keep in mind the whole sat fat story began in the 1960s and is still with us today despite advances in our ability to monitor and track various elements of heart and lipid health. The medical industrial complex will fight him all the way and there is no guarantee he will prevail.

First comment agree 100% anyone that knows their stuff bionic Lane will run a mile using his powers off course.

Thanks! Glad you like the title.

It’s because biochemistry and nutrition is controlled by biophysics and light. Layne has no earthly idea about this and probably doesn’t want to know because it would completely crumble his paradigm.

​@@laneodom4355Can you elaborate on what you mean regarding the biophysics and light part? This sounds interesting.

The field of nutrition, like almost all fields involving health science, is highly compromised by corporate influence. It's no longer science, it's marketing.

@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans 4 days later and no response, so my guess it's something he heard in a podcast that sounded cool and never actually understood, so your question will forever float in the void.

@@wallacebonner7939 Yeah it seems a lot of people back down when pushed for further information or citations. Or just endlessly deflect.

Statin Island I love it 😂😂

I am from there! Is he really from there?

Are you serious? I don’t like the guy. But is that true?

Not true.. Illinois

@@terrydevaney8601 It was a pun. Statin/Staten.

Good rule...

That's how he is behaving

An sufficiently educated individual would probably not take up bodybuilding without atleast making it clear it's a personal thing and not recommended cuz you know. overworking your body probably isn't healthy

​@@MallchadI don't think anyone becomes a pro bodybuilder with the intent of health. Especially in the untested realm.

@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans A professional bodybuilder? probably not. way too many people think that casual bodybuilding is a good idea for health though

@@Mallchad Physical activity is inarguably a healthy thing, we have tons of research on it. And from what I've seen, more coming on muscle strength associations with longevity.

@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans exercise? can be, to varying degrees, depending on the exercise. Bodybuilding isn't one of them. as far as I can tell I really don't like associative studies though they do not provide much insight.

😁

Thanks!

Spot on

And even when they do get therapy it can make them better at faking it unfortunately.

your intuition serves you well

I mean... Layne has videos where the whole subject is times he got stuff wrong, but sure go off

I am waiting for a tweet where he admits he was wrong this time. Just admitting he got LMHR wrong, he won't!@@Ryan-wx1bi

@@Ryan-wx1bi That's great! Looks like he is due for a few more of those then!

Attia has changed his stance on quite a few things so what are you going on about?.. Showing the straw in the others eyes?.

Good for a giggle.

@@nicknorwitzPhD maybe his parents "did too much LDS in the sixties".

Appreciate you!

These aren't rhetorical questions, by the way, it's all honestly a mile over my head. I'm the lay person I'm referring to.

Is a 5 person case study and a 10 person intervention. Nothing profoundly impactful is the real take away here. @@DILFDylF

Love this response!

He blocked me too.

He was right to block you

Sorry to ruin your fairy tale but Feynman was a bully, probably more so than Mr Norton. He was more methodical, prepared his pranks better and truly humbled his adversaries. The very fact that he called anyone idiot is a big clue :) And I think he was awesome if only because of that.

@sebastianhoracioforondagon8813 Because Bart Kay regurgitators are quite tiring, that was probably the reason.

Regurgitation is warranted when it’s factual. @@andreasmelkersson3592

Beautifully spoken, fellow human.

Just curious you’re referring to a paradigm shift in which area? The topic discussed in this video or something else? Because I notice Layne Norton dismisses anything which is different from what he learnt. Anything from fasting for weight loss, carnivore diet, or the carbohydrate insulin model instead of energy balance model.

Thanks ❤

Appreciate it

Don't worry. I didn't sweat this... took me 15 minutes during lunch at the hospital. ~30 if you include watching Layne's coverage on 2X speed. Not a big effort. I outsource editing.

Just lose the prof title. Dude is just a fraud

@russbrown6453 Bart Kay is not who you think he is. He has made erroneous mistakes in the past. Yes, he has. To people with zero competence, he looks extremely competent. To anyone with intermediate level understanding of stats and science? He looks like a clown, partly. Proving that Bart has misunderstood certain things doesn't require a debate. What's required is only common sense, application of logic and a decent reasoning mind.

​@@andreasmelkersson3592The funniest thing about BK is when he claims others have an axe to grind, not him.

@@markaguilera493 Yup! I think his audience overestimates Bart's competence and intelligence. Bart is by no means the guy who you ask when you wanna be absolutely sure about something. I think his diagnosis traps him. Not saying this to be rude. But his diagnosis prevents him from interpreting concepts from a multi-dimensional point of view.

that's the plan!

I don't like to attack, but I will defend data and I don't like bullies

@@nicknorwitzPhD, "I don't like to attack ..." But you do it so well, and are (unfortunately) given so many opportunities to demonstrate that.

@ArcoZakus indeed 100% agreed! Honestly, like a well orchestrated symphony of attacks that deserves a standing ovation.

@@vegeta5402, Well, I don't think that the "well orchestrated symphony of attacks ... deserves a standing ovation", but the responses from Dr. Norwitz that I have seen might.

Thanks@@ArcoZakus

Maybe Layne should offer you his PhD...

I feel like I should get some of the revenue from those shirt sales, lol!

Be a distributor and then I will buy one from you. Hahaha.

And Alo is worst than Layne

I honestly appreciate Layne for going as hard as he does after the real charlatans on the web. He does that very well. IMO He did make some mistakes in his analysis of these studies and he should have called in some help from a cardiologist or lipidologist. However, his advice based on these studies was not that bad, but I did not see any comments cite him on that: A lean person with perfect blood markers on keto probably has a lower chance of health issues later on than that same person with high LDL-C. I am sure the researchers would agree that very high LDL-C in LMHR is unlikely to be completely risk free as saying otherwise is an absolute statement not (yet) supported by the data.

The LMHR stuff is hardly convincing as of now to use as a tool for personal assurance. The massive amount of data from thousands of people showing quite clear signal that Apo-B can not be ignored, even on lean and fit individuals. Who cares there are 1 in 10000 people who are unaffected? And you only truly find out if you lived to old age with high LDLc. Most probably do not. As if there do not exist ways to be low carb, eat meat, eat plant and have the Apo-B (along with LDLc) in check. Why it has to be black and white - an American thing? Even harder fact to ignore that people who exercise a lot can get a way with some pretty bad habits and still live to old age in good health. Layne was ignorant on assessing their work, but he does give much better grounded advice on how to live healthy and long.

​@@ThingsYoudontwanttohear I think this is the point of Nick's research. We cannot say that, "a thin healthy person on keto with low LDL is *probably* at lower risk than a thin healthy person on keto with high LDL." The answer to that is: we don't know because we have not studied lean healthy people on keto with high LDL. Those studies are currently under way. Until these studies are complete, we can make no claim, and offer no probabilistic reference, for whether high LDL increases risk, reduces risk, or has zero effect on risk in an otherwise healthy, lean, long-term ketogenic person. And like so many out there, I am keenly interested in seeing the results when they are published. ❤

@@ketolomicsI think you are putting the bar too high. Would you say that we also cannot say that a lean person on keto will probably not survive intense dose of radiation that has been shown to be deadly on subjects of all shapes and sizes while on various diets, but not on lean keto dieters?

@@ThingsYoudontwanttohear You pose what's known as a "straw man" fallacy. I pose an argument (unknown effects of high LDL in lean, otherwise healthy individuals following ketogenic nutrition). You distort the argument (comparing LDL risk to radiation risk) and then criticizing me for claiming that radiation poses no risk to people based on diet. Radiation poses known, mechanistic risk via cellular and DNA damage. LDL, meanwhile, exhibits widely differing associations with, for example, atherogenesis or MCI (myocardial infarction). The correlation between LDL and MCI is poor (something like 25% shared variance). A large element of LDL-related risk appears to be attributable to metabolic status (especially chronic hyperinsulinemic heteroglycemia). The metabolic status of the individual is indicated by elevated fasting insulin but also by elevated TAG (>80 or so) and low HDL (under 50 or so). Whereas radiation poses invariant risk (high doses are always destructive), LDL appears to be high sometimes in people of great age and health (see, e.g., the Leyden study) but low often times in people with early-onset cardiovascular disease. So, yes: I am suggesting that due to the overall metabolic profile of long term, whole food, ketogenic nutrition, it is plausible that they may reveal lower, not higher, risk of heart disease. This is further supported by the fact that KD enhances antioxidant status (via free radical scavenging, lowered mitochondrial ROS production, lowered glycolytic ROS production, increased mitochondrial turnover, and increased antioxidant enzyme synthesis - catalase, SOD, peroxyredoxin, glutathione, etc), through enhanced vascular endothelial cell function (tight junctions, stem cell stabilization, enhanced omentin-1 function, etc), through enhanced elimination of cellular debris (upregulated autophagy) through reduced pro-inflammatory and increased anti-inflammatory function (lowered NLRP3 inflammasome assembly, decreased M1 macrophage State and increased M2 macrophage state, etc). Importantly, KD recapitulates the metabolic state of semi-starvation that is the hallmark of lifespan maximization across every species of animal we have tested - canonically characterized by persistently low activity along the insulin-insulin like growth factor signaling pathway. So, yes, I think the jury is out on high LDL in lean, otherwise healthy individuals whose LDL rises substantially but stably during long term (>1 year), whole food, ketogenic (BOHB > 1.0mmol) nutrition. Plausible. Experimental data will help elucidate the relationship and the underlying mechanisms of action. Good luck on your health journey! 🌄

Because he is in Harvard Medical School.

Probably why he blocked me 🙂‍↕️

"The way you are handling this is extremely professional and educational for the rest of us, so thank you very much for taking the time to do that. " - thanks... P.S. I love that you use 'nota bene'

Good comment

You can. It just toggles rather than increments the counter. But it feels good. (I wonder whether that activity shows up in any statistics provided by yt to video owners, even if it does not increment the counter?) I do it occasionally on some of my favorite music videos, though I have never actually reached a million.

GO YOU!!!

That's because arteries are subject to much greater pressure and those shear forces are what contribute to arterial damage.

@@brett6468 LDL is not the culprit, but excess LDL is.

@@Corkfish1 Correct. Which means LDL is not a culprit of cardiovascular disease.

@@Corkfish1 Disagree. There are many examples of people like Nicholas Norwitz who have LDL levels in the hundreds yet have no heart disease. And there are also many people with low LDL levels who still have heart disease and die from heart attacks.

@@brett6468 of course there are exceptions. Go ahead and tell a 60 year old with high LDL and a calcium score of 500 not to bother with a Statin.

Believe it or not this took 30 minutes of my time. Outsourced edited makes life as an active researcher and med student easier… oh what it would be to have all the time “certain” people do to make KZfaq video… surprised they can’t do a better job if it’s their actual job 😂

No it's not. Low carb diets are unhealthy. That's why it increases ldl. Mainting a healthy body weight doesn't undermine high ldl

What BS. All this biased clown showed was that eating carbs was GOOD FOR PEOPLE. Funny for a Keto prick.....

Well I got mine at Oxford and Kevin Bass once told me I did it too quickly so it didn’t count. What happened to him again?

Thanks Sebastian

Thanks:)

And they also push fat.

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Same

Yeah Layne is sadly one of many nowadays who only have a degree to make it easier for him to win argument, not caring if his points are actually true, this is an really pathetic ego especially since many believe him despite him not caring about the whole truth and only what benefits his ego of being the one "who knows"

Dr. Mike is also the same way on a Lot of nutrition topics

Maybe Dr. Norton will gain some humility? (I am not holding my breath.)

Cheers!

Lol. Got me for a sec 🤣. Yes, the value of a PhD correlates perfectly with the number of times one bring it up in conversation. He might have the record for the biggest PhD ever.

Exactly. He could have chosen any carb, such as rice or something, and get the same effect. It seems that he chose oreos just to get attention and be obnoxious and that's not going to get him respect from the scientific community.

​@@justsaying7065DATA>Feelings. The science community shouldn't be driven by feelings, they should be driven by the Data, as Layne so aggressively points out. I appreciate very much Dr. Nick choosing Oreos. It did what you said first, bring attention. Which is very important. If the science community is going to be upset over Dr. Nick picking an Oreo for an experiment, then it says so much about the 'science community' , don't you think. This experiment actually worked because I never knew Nick before this and now I know him. The Data, as even Layne points out, is actually on point. And that is the point of science.

@@justsaying7065 We aren't looking for "respect". We are looking for scientific truth based on research and inquiry. Research and inquiry which will not happen if attention is not focused on this issue. The "oreo cookie" stunt is what has brought you here, so I guess it's working. Note that not much attention was being focused on this prior to the stunt. Scientists are human too, and sometimes need to be cajoled out of needless conformity, just like all other humans.

@@y00t00b3r, Nailed it again. 👍