Carburetor vs. E.F.I. on Small Block Chevy on the Dyno!

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People have lots of opinions about what is better, when it comes to carburetors vs. E.F.I.. Today, with the help of Pat from Piss Cutter Performance, Nick will be making a side by side test on his dynamometer. The results just might surprise you.
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@charleshaggard4341
@charleshaggard4341 Жыл бұрын
How cool is Nick to work with other guys sharing his vast knowledge and his time which is priceless. What a great guy.
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage Жыл бұрын
Thanks Charles.
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
Nick is such a great guy, I had a ton of fun at the shop. All the guys at the shop treated me like one of the crew. True blue car guys and thats what its all about
@lilo2469
@lilo2469 Жыл бұрын
@@cuttersperformancenice work listening to you explain things really held my interest 👍
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
@@lilo2469 thank you, I live and breathe this stuff and appreciate the positive feedback
@Trumplican
@Trumplican Жыл бұрын
@@cuttersperformance Nick is a really great guy!! Super nice and extremely talented.
@redchevy3307
@redchevy3307 Жыл бұрын
This video just proved that Nick knows how to tune a carb.
@blinkie1523
@blinkie1523 Жыл бұрын
It sure did and that's because he knows his stuff.
@oscargallegos7022
@oscargallegos7022 Жыл бұрын
Hey a 750 carb vs he said 800 cfm EFI
@thechestnutking736
@thechestnutking736 Жыл бұрын
With the disposal of Dyno lol
@rubeclayton8233
@rubeclayton8233 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Nick Really Knows What He Is Doing... No B.S. On This KZfaq Channel.,
@TMPCarbs
@TMPCarbs Жыл бұрын
I’d bet the efi flows more than 800 cfm. It’s prob 900 + cfm
@BKMDano17
@BKMDano17 Жыл бұрын
If you're going to buy actual car parts and not a toolbox from Summit Racing, I strongly suggest you find someone like Nick to talk to before you make your purchase. Summit Racing their tech line in particular is a waste of time. You could wind up with parts that will be problematic for your build and you get to pay for the return shipping that is if you catch the mistake before you install it. Just a word to the wise especially now that everything cost twice what it was a year ago. I don't want to see anybody get hurt like I did. Summit will not treat you fairly!
@w_oftruck5478
@w_oftruck5478 2 ай бұрын
They getting Chinese pices
@lennydee3538
@lennydee3538 6 ай бұрын
The excitement in Nick's face is like a four year old on Christmas Eve. He definitely loves his job and loves to share his knowledge. It was a joy to watch 👍
@stevepoore2322
@stevepoore2322 Жыл бұрын
This is real! Where on the planet can anyone get content like this! Two guys coming together to make these tests between old school Carburator and modern EFI! Greatest show on the Earth. Period
@benbarber2369
@benbarber2369 Жыл бұрын
Nick is so old school cool- not many like him these days.
@chrismadaj8751
@chrismadaj8751 Жыл бұрын
Yes I agree but he had patience with this setup. Just goes to say he's willing to learn he wanted to see the data he's acar guy like us you could see it on his face great video nick
@wokewokerman5280
@wokewokerman5280 Жыл бұрын
I was just thinking one more look around after start with EFI - and then Nick gets up and does one more look around at 37:15, man, what a engine doctor he is.....
@SpeakerKevin
@SpeakerKevin Жыл бұрын
I bet Nick listens to vinyl, which is cool also.
@WhiteManXRP
@WhiteManXRP Жыл бұрын
It's the only way...old school rules, based in facts, and trial and error
@hiteck007
@hiteck007 Жыл бұрын
Hay come on, I like old school & he proved to me Carby still got it over EFI for smoothness of power delivery. That is the engine did not shake with the carby.
@davidtaylor9508
@davidtaylor9508 Жыл бұрын
I was sure hoping they saw the timing moving the first 3 pulls! Glad you figured that out.
@sugizotakuro
@sugizotakuro Жыл бұрын
i was just like, the distributor just moved? they really missed that out.
@soumilinon
@soumilinon 4 ай бұрын
ya at 9:44 that distributer was moving !! that`ll make her ping... still moving @ 53:02
@pewterpearlfatboy
@pewterpearlfatboy 2 ай бұрын
I noticed that right away too! Not good.
@butchcassidy5398
@butchcassidy5398 Жыл бұрын
Who else saw the distributor move like crazy? It turned a lot
@fastbuzzardo4204
@fastbuzzardo4204 Жыл бұрын
Always lock down the distributor and scribe a mark for Reference .
@hydroy1
@hydroy1 Жыл бұрын
Also did you notice the EFI was run up to 6,500rpm and the carb was only 6,300 both are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay under a good testing rpm for SBC. We test at 7,000 and 7,500. If the cam has a ton of overlap, 8,200 & up. SBC can't really be tested at 6,500rpm as there just not at peek performance yet.
@sugizotakuro
@sugizotakuro Жыл бұрын
@@hydroy1 maybe he is still be on the cautious side. the graph shows that the hp is still climbing.
@davelowets
@davelowets Жыл бұрын
@@hydroy1 It ALL depends on what cam the engine has in it... 🤷🏻 There are cams that are all done WAY before 7000 RPMs. In a street car application, NO ONE is going to be running an 8200 rpm cam in their engine.
@Prestiged_peck
@Prestiged_peck Жыл бұрын
@@davelowets ye of so little faith, my dad's daily is a '76 c10 heavy half with "the biggest hydraulic roller cam in the catalog"
@jamesblair9614
@jamesblair9614 Жыл бұрын
It is amazing just how well a carburetor can work through all the rpm range considering what’s happening, idle circuits, primaries, secondaries, high speed enrichment and all using vacuum as a trigger. I think most of us appreciate EFI when we go out and start the car on a cold winter day, but after spending about 6 months trying to diagnose and fix my EFI engine with an intermittent idle problem, an old Carter AFB is looking pretty good about now.
@dangeary2134
@dangeary2134 Жыл бұрын
I had a car with a small block that needed to be ultra reliable, because it was literally a work car. I originally had a Quadrajet on it, and had that tuned so perfectly that I just needed to tap the pedal to set the choke, and she would fire up a lot faster than injection. When I went to a Carter, same thing.
@gotnutz71
@gotnutz71 Жыл бұрын
Something you might want to check is on some of the snipers (not sure about other makes) the injector harnesses can become loose and cause intermittent fueling problems. This happened to me on my 67 Cuda, pulled my hair out trying to figure out the problem.
@artcampbell5315
@artcampbell5315 Жыл бұрын
Carbs are not that complicated except for the emission controls
@thomaslemay8817
@thomaslemay8817 Жыл бұрын
@@dangeary2134 a very common problem is a bad ground cable on the engine, paint or rust on the connection. The resistance between the engine manifold, block and the battery negative post should be virtually zero . I have witnessed a magnitude of problem solved by simply cleaning and repairing grounds . People will spend hours looking at Supply and switch side issues and never check the grounds.
@anthonywilson4873
@anthonywilson4873 Жыл бұрын
@@artcampbell5315 There is a lot of development over many years. Idle circuit, progression, main circuit, fuel enrichment with power valves, accelerator pump circuit, and of course air jets and choke. In the Quadrajet four carbs in one with two primaries and two vacuum operated secondaries. I Worked in shop for years and very very few knew how they worked. Their fix for a carb, take the screws out and bend the floats arms by putting down the body on the bench instantly causing another problem, blowing out the main jets with air line and put it back together, crank with IGN enabled and as soon as fuel gets into bowls to a certain level the engine fires lean and backfires, as the choke is on the backfire blows the power valves diaphragms and now we a leaking in fuel into airstream. Now carb is well messed up. So their fix was the simple carb is screwed buy a new one, do not forget to prime the float bowls fully. Similar with Rochester although secondaries are all controlled by a small spring that goes weak over time. Leads to flat spot as secondaries open to early leading to less suction through primaries and loss of fuel pickup, if you know about the spring and it’s adjustment then an easy fix. Carburettors on a lawnmower maybe simple but unless your a specialist a Quadrajet is not simple. What is simple is EFI electric fuel pump provides pressure to the jets. Solenoids control the jets. Inlet manifold suction controls fuel pressure to compensate for changes in manifold vacuum, a speed signal from distributor a MAP sensor on Inlet a temp sensor on inlet, engine temp signal, a throttle position sensor, knock sensors and oxygen sensors. Maybe even wide band Oxygen sensors. All those bits just bolt on and are wired up, fuelling is controlled by ECU and easy to adjust with the push of some buttons. It’s all so simple😉😀
@brianreynoldson1965
@brianreynoldson1965 Жыл бұрын
I'm an "old school" carb guy, but I'll be the first too admit the fuel control on an EFI unit is considerably more precise than a 4bbl. carburetor. Even "dinosaurs " need some compassion! LOL!
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
Both work fantastic if setup correctly. If anything its really amazing how well a carb works for a simple device and old technology
@vhp454
@vhp454 Жыл бұрын
We tried a fuel injection on a 1969 L88 427. The camshaft profile with its solid lifter design did not do well with fuel injection, im not bashing it. Im explaining that cam profile makes a big difference !
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
@@vhp454 totally agree, under 10 inches of vaccum at idle is usually the cut off for how well fuel injection will work and especially with "self learning" Both carb and efi have their places and both can be made to work great with time and effort.
@heathwirt8919
@heathwirt8919 Жыл бұрын
@@cuttersperformance Why do they work so well on NASCAR V8's ?
@darwinfoster7420
@darwinfoster7420 Жыл бұрын
@@heathwirt8919 total different set up in Nascar
@JeffreyBlair
@JeffreyBlair Жыл бұрын
This is AWESOME to watch the older and the younger WORKING TOGETHER!!
@ronbuckner8179
@ronbuckner8179 Жыл бұрын
This is a great concept for an engine build. I’m glad they picked Nick. This will be entertaining as heck.
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
Appreciate that!
@hobsonbeeman7529
@hobsonbeeman7529 Жыл бұрын
I think Nick appreciates someone who is knowledgeable about engines to the point they actually know what they are doing and takes a fresh approach to their KZfaq channel with viewers … great job
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that! Thank you
@DonRRicks
@DonRRicks Жыл бұрын
You have to love the small block Chevy engines. They’re definitely time tested, and pass them all. But, I’m still a Mopar lover at heart
@BuiltDifferent13
@BuiltDifferent13 Жыл бұрын
Love old timers and just being around them to listen and learn from.... Always grateful for everything 🙏🙏🙏
@David-rx5eo
@David-rx5eo Жыл бұрын
The best thing about fuel injection is that it can adjust for different altitudes, whereas a carb can not. With fuel injection you could go from sea level to 7000 feet up in the mountains with virtually the same performance, and in Southern California you could easily go from the sea to mountains within a few hours time.
@arbiter1
@arbiter1 8 ай бұрын
also for diff temp's as well. you need more fuel when its 20 out then you need when its say 90 since the air is a bit thinner. at 7000ft no matter what you are losing power but your not running engine at 10:1 air fuel ratio when up there as a carb would be.
@tomquinn607
@tomquinn607 Жыл бұрын
Congrats to Pat's subscribers! The engine they designed is a Goliath slayer. Nice job.
@yambo59
@yambo59 Жыл бұрын
What a great video on carb vs EFI, and what a solid little engine--a well built small block Chevy with the right parts really shows its reputation for reliability, not even a leak or ticking lifter nothing but HP and they really hammered on it.
@imsurethisisnotme4736
@imsurethisisnotme4736 Жыл бұрын
Blowing me away how much that dizzy is walking around. The overhead camera view is priceless, thx
@kayejaye261
@kayejaye261 Жыл бұрын
I have to side with Uncle Bucko this vid. I know majority of fans understand wrenching. This man is fixing two nephews multiple drag cars. His bros and sis in laws vehicles. And completed his own S-10 engine swap. Oh oh then goes out to Grandpa's and helps with planting and tractor duties. UB u are a good man,son, uncle , bro ..... See y boys turned into such good young men. Who else watch vids and either share or send text to family member? All it takes. Wish all SRC family great fathers day weekend and b safe.
@JohnnyAFG81
@JohnnyAFG81 Жыл бұрын
Being born right on the edge of carb/efi transition I like both. Efi for the ease of get in and crank it and go. Carbs are cool for the low cost of purchase and cool look of dual carb setup.
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage Жыл бұрын
Well said!
@charliefox7206
@charliefox7206 Жыл бұрын
Great to watch you to guys working together. Oh to be 55 years younger. Yes I know; careful what you wish for.🦊
@Cabiotube
@Cabiotube Жыл бұрын
Really great to watch the old master and the young master work together in collaboration. Great video, and amazing that parts chosen by the audience did so well in this build!
@SuperReznative
@SuperReznative 7 ай бұрын
old & young, ..still overlooking some kinks..
@hairymongrell
@hairymongrell 11 ай бұрын
i was a carb guy for years. i just love efi with no fuel spills or jet changes and so easy for tiny changes to be so accurate. nice vid guys
@renegade44040
@renegade44040 Жыл бұрын
I learned so much from watching this video. Dude built a solid little engine.
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate that! Thank you
@mikedimaio1237
@mikedimaio1237 Жыл бұрын
Best carb vs. EFI test I've seen. That is one sweet Chevy.
@hiteck007
@hiteck007 Жыл бұрын
I'm not a Chevy fan but this one is a cut above the rest & the setup was well chosen I think.
@TomPauls007
@TomPauls007 Жыл бұрын
never get tired hearing the growl of an engine pumping serious power and RPM!
@tomwilliams5598
@tomwilliams5598 Жыл бұрын
I love how Nick doesn’t edit. You see the warts and all . But you also see his genius when he trouble shoots an issue . Great video!
@crawford323
@crawford323 10 ай бұрын
Of course he edits or he would not be able to have camera angle changes. Unless he has a crew sitting in a production van and all those camera are running live feeds and some dude sitting at a switcher. ( which he does not) I think what you meant to say is all of the dialogue is running without interruption or cuts. We at least hear the good and the bad audio overlayed on different video tracks. I get what you mean and I'm splitting hairs here.
@shawnewaltonify
@shawnewaltonify Жыл бұрын
OMG, welcome to Nick's Garage 2.0! Christmas came early this year and the big man delivered something we never thought possible. This is the difference between Hollywood and KZfaq: in Hollywood all the best shows that find perfection also reach a peak where viewers can see the inevitable ending coming because you cannot make perfection more perfect(and you viewers cannot watch the same perfection being achieved over and over for very many years beyond a decade), but in KZfaq all the best shows that find perfection that reach their peak have the opportunity to remake themselves and they do so through collaboration with other shows. It is not collaboration within the show that makes the difference, it is the collaboration with other shows that allows the producers and hosts to bring in new content without losing the viewers and their memory of what makes the perfect Nick's Garage episode. Just when viewers were hoping to get a little bit more from Nick before his retirement, you really came through for us, because the big man himself is delivering the creativity in Nick Panaritis that this show needs to continue into muscle car infinity and beyond! Thank you.
@evanmccormick4816
@evanmccormick4816 Жыл бұрын
This video is a testament of the carb tuning skills of Nick, same power without a computer.
@edhackett6058
@edhackett6058 Жыл бұрын
A little more power with the EFI. Keep in mind; You tune a carb on a beautiful sunny day at 30.25” of Mercury, then, the next day, it’s rainy, humid with a storm approaching at 29.15” of Mercury, and yesterday’s tune is yesterday’s news. Not to mention my comment about altitude. Drive that 428 hp. car out to British Columbia, and it will be lucky to climb a grade without fouling your plugs, or overheating. That EFI has air density compensation.
@tahcogunworks
@tahcogunworks Жыл бұрын
@@edhackett6058 so false. You're not even close.
@edhackett6058
@edhackett6058 Жыл бұрын
@@tahcogunworks ; How so? Explain please.
@angusmackaskill3035
@angusmackaskill3035 Жыл бұрын
Holy cow!! Gotta be hard core to watch 80 minutes of carb vs fuel injection!
@docm3093
@docm3093 Жыл бұрын
Shoutout to Dwayne too for being right in there and catching multiple things because any mechanic knows a 2nd set of eyes is a life saver!
@OlSgtLove
@OlSgtLove Жыл бұрын
Nick and George, what a great video and test on that small block Chevy. That was fun to watch and us old dogs learn alittle too . Very nice of Nick to do that and run those test . One of the Best Dynos setups around . I saw the HEI dist.move on the 1st run too. Good music and shots too George. Take It Easy ...
@edhackett6058
@edhackett6058 Жыл бұрын
Nick, I once tried to take my AAR into the Rockies in Colorado, but had to drive 100 miles back to Colorado Springs to try and find jets and secondary fuel plates and rip apart my sixbarrel setup just to survive the altitude. Fuel injection would have saved me jets, gaskets, and carb plates not to mention nearly a day’s vCation. Think of that if you’re ever in BC!
@michaelmartinez1345
@michaelmartinez1345 Жыл бұрын
That was a very interesting episode... The engine responded well with both types of fuel systems... I am a big fan of carburetors, and drive an older vehicle every day that has a carburetor... It is reliable, gets decent fuel mileage and inexpensive to keep running, and very easy to troubleshoot.......
@siliconvalleyengineer5875
@siliconvalleyengineer5875 Жыл бұрын
wow just wow, this was the most informative carburator comparison Ive ever seen.
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@rafaelgomez2581
@rafaelgomez2581 7 ай бұрын
That was a pleasure to watch...You guys kept it simple,easy to understand and very informative.
@thunderc4s
@thunderc4s Жыл бұрын
The Holley Throttle body EFI is great. Not just about peak HP/Torque but cold start first crank and warm up and smooth driveability. You can leave car parked for months and it will start first crank with the EFI.
@Thumper68
@Thumper68 Жыл бұрын
I can do that with my Holley carb on press of throttle to set choke turn key fires right up.
@Thumper68
@Thumper68 Жыл бұрын
@@nhlba3301 ok whatever you say.
@Thumper68
@Thumper68 Жыл бұрын
@@nhlba3301 well my old man did first but I keep her tuned right. lol
@nhlba3301
@nhlba3301 Жыл бұрын
@@Thumper68 oh Gotcha 👌🏼👌🏼!!! That knowledge is key believe me lol
@peteloomis8456
@peteloomis8456 Жыл бұрын
@UCDhJYUerKf6PqcKX4hFe18Q If you run a electric fuel pump to fill the float bowls of the carburetor if the choke is set correctly and it's jetted right it will start up with one pump . My 440 with a Edelbrock 750 performer rpm intake Dyno tuned and jetted for my engine with a 509 purple shaft and headers can sit for a month and as long as I turn the Holley blue pump on first then pump it once it fires right up every time so yes it can be done. Not so easy with a mechanical pump if it sits and drains back and the float bowls get dried up because the engine has to crank over enough times for the mechanical fuel pump to pull fuel and then fill the float bowls again . On my 82 Chevrolet K10 which is my plow truck with a stock 400 SBC that I put in the truck that I replaced the old worm out Q jet with a spacer to put a Edelbrock 600 with a electric choke on if it sits more than a week it has to crank over some while pumping before the float bowls fill back up before it fire up and stays running so there is an advantage of having the electric fuel pump to pre prime the carburetor and make cold starts easier in cold weather verses a mechanical pump . I could put a electric fuel pump on tne truck but it's my plow truck to plow my driveway with plus the pump works good other than if it sits for a while the fuel drains back and the float bowls dry up and it needs to crank a little before they fill up enough to get a accelerator pump shot to prime the carburetor some so it starts which works fine but it's just slower than a electric fuel pump is . I drive the truck in the spring and summer to the car club I belong to just to drive it at times and it runs good and doesn't starve for fuel at WOT when I get on it hard once in a while to clean it out and the pump works good being it's been on this engine that was in a 78 K5 blazer back in 2006 until I had to pull the engine and drive train out of it because the body was toast and I bought the 82 that just needed a engine and swapped the plow over and kept the extra parts for spares for the 82 .
@johnkufeldt3564
@johnkufeldt3564 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the indepth test, a better comparison than the previous test you did Nick...you sure know your carbs Nick, you rejetted and bang, full power. Cheers from Calgary.
@danielfield3580
@danielfield3580 3 ай бұрын
I have always enjoyed seeing Nick work. He is always seeking to learn the possibilities without detonating the engines.
@waynelovejr.1005
@waynelovejr.1005 10 ай бұрын
An excellent video comparing carbs and efi. Thanks to both of you for the videos you put out.
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@terryweedon8431
@terryweedon8431 Жыл бұрын
How fast Nick had that carb dialed in was amazing! Great Videos Guys please keep them coming!
@reifonseca5767
@reifonseca5767 Жыл бұрын
It's that easy when you have a wide band.
@yourolddad6407
@yourolddad6407 Жыл бұрын
@@reifonseca5767 and decades of experience. The EFI matched it on the first pull with diddly for tuning.
@reifonseca5767
@reifonseca5767 Жыл бұрын
@@yourolddad6407 wrong.efl is always tuning itself that's the magic of it.thats how it works.thats why every thing is efl.some aftermarket ones like this one are more advanced then a stock and are "tuneable" so if you change parts on the build one can recalibrate for changes.
@ntoxic8edx
@ntoxic8edx Жыл бұрын
@@reifonseca5767 What if its closed loop.
@ericball6000
@ericball6000 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Nick, this is why I like this channel, all ways good content, good work George, cheers.
@wazza33racer
@wazza33racer Жыл бұрын
Carbs are amazing for their simplicity..............I have raced Weber DCOE's and they are so easy to look after and keep running perfect.
@JustEnjoyingLife73
@JustEnjoyingLife73 6 ай бұрын
I've been toying with the idea to go EFI for so many years but every time I entertain the thought and do some research, I find so many people having electrical and reliability issues with EFI systems. My Qjet has never failed me, so I think I'll hold on to it for now.
@stevebumstead9840
@stevebumstead9840 Жыл бұрын
One of your best videos ever! Thanks Nick.
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage Жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@WhiteManXRP
@WhiteManXRP Жыл бұрын
@@NicksGarage Nick, let's do some rare engines and tweaking when you get them in the shop, whenever you do, Mopars,Fords,Chevrolet, buick,pontiac,Chrysler ...etc.. Maybe some old 409's some 427 Ford FE, tri-power 427 BBC I'd love that,
@kevinwoolmer5478
@kevinwoolmer5478 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic. Great to see the next generation of gearheads doing their thing. Listening two these two go back and forth with their knowledge and understanding of how it all works is just great. Another fantastic show thanks so much
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that! Thank you
@kevinwoolmer5478
@kevinwoolmer5478 Жыл бұрын
@@cuttersperformance np,I live and breath this,I drive a dump truck,have been for 30yrs,bought an 18 rt 5.7 6spd with my hard work,I spend all day thinking of how to improve her and get all that engine will give,great show thanks.
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
@@kevinwoolmer5478 thats awesome man! The performance addiction is real but all part of the fun!
@enriquemagana3176
@enriquemagana3176 Жыл бұрын
@@kevinwoolmer5478 47:44 47:45 47:46
@mathewmolk2089
@mathewmolk2089 8 ай бұрын
Yea, But if brandon has his way there will be no more gearheads.- What fun is it putting in bigger fuses in a glorified golf cart? - We better enjoy it while we can. If the election goes the wrong way the end is near. - Teslas don't use headers or cam shafts.
@steveallen7742
@steveallen7742 Жыл бұрын
I was on board with GM when EFI was released, but was trained in carbs by some of the smartest guys in my hometown. Whether a Weber, Quad, Holley, down draft, all the way to Tillotsons on boats, Keihin on bikes, even weed whackers and chainsaws, if you have a good ear and sense of feel, you can make a motor purr at idle and sing at WOT. Nick and Pat, thank you for a great time watching two intelligent induction enthusiasts do what they love: Make an engine sing like Chris Cornell and Julie Andrews.
@Waxxumus
@Waxxumus Жыл бұрын
Hey just wanted to let you know I love following you through these informative videos! Thank you for continuing to make wonderful content! I have learned much from you sir!
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@yarrdayarrdayarrda
@yarrdayarrdayarrda Жыл бұрын
I use a Holley 950 UXP on most of the engines I run and as a jetting verification I have a set of high speed bleeds (4 brass jets next to the bowl vents looking down on the carb) that's .005" larger and a set .005" smaller than the factory bleeds (.032" is stock on the 950) and it's an extremely quick changeover without spilling fuel. 3 pulls, overlay the graphs, and you'll instantly see what the engine wants.
@BKMDano17
@BKMDano17 Жыл бұрын
Viewers pay attention. Both of these gentlemen are very good at what they do. It's still taking eight pulls to dial that EFI in and that's without ignition. The self learning claims aren't true. It takes a lot just to get the car running. My experience says you need to find someone with a wheel Dyno and the experience to make the necessary adjustments to optimize running conditions with EFI. You WONT do it at home.
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
Believe it or not, I find it easier to get the fuel maps dialed in with these system installed in cars rather than on a engine dyno. Usually I street tune them to get the fuel map dialed in close then they go on a wheel dyno for power and final tweaks. I use the laptop and speed up the process with manual adjustments like I did at Nicks. I also do alot of carb tuning and actually do the same sort of thing, in some cases install a wideband in the exhaust for street tuning. Both systems take a certain type of knowledge and skill but it really just boils down to preference in my opinion.
@billyokley6723
@billyokley6723 Жыл бұрын
Nick great video, very informative. Love to watch your videos. You have a good shop and great reputation for good workmanship. Keep being Nick and give us stuff to watch.
@DerredmaxTRIAX
@DerredmaxTRIAX Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best tuner review videos I have ever seen.. Very well done Thanks Nick and Pat and crew!!
@blinkie1523
@blinkie1523 Жыл бұрын
Hi Nick and others I think it went real well either way. I see the merits in both but still prefer the carb at the end of the day. George your filming was rather cool too. Till next time be cool everyone.
@registrationhater
@registrationhater Жыл бұрын
I think the points Nick made about FI are valid. I'd like to see another dyno test after having the engine in a car for several thousand miles of "self learning" Also, I think the other FI advantages lie in drivability over a broad range of atmospheric conditions and altitudes
@SillyDillysTunes
@SillyDillysTunes Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that the other advantage is altitude performance along with boosted applications. MOST importantly, the timing control with the EFI distributor is a huge plus. It should've also been mentioned that the AFR on his laptop wasn't accurate which really made it hard for the man to tune. All in all, EFI is superior. Nice carbs aren't cheap anyway.
@russellbomgardner3817
@russellbomgardner3817 Жыл бұрын
Thank you guys! The one other advantage of EFI I kept thinking about is daily climate changes and or altitude.
@rickh8380
@rickh8380 Жыл бұрын
What a great motor with great horsepower and torque numbers. Nobody else's Dyno room sounds as good as Nick's. Great job guys. Really enjoyed this one. Take care all. Cheers
@robertveeneman9229
@robertveeneman9229 Жыл бұрын
I don't remember how I got to either of their channels, but Piss Cutter Performance has been one of my favorite channels lately! His Vortec porting videos have been great, as have his other engines that have dyno proven numbers, such as this one.
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
Appreciate that alot!
@anthonyblacker8471
@anthonyblacker8471 Жыл бұрын
Man oh man that little 355 is a ripper right there.. you'd get 6500 all day out of that monster!! Nice build!!
@michaelpujals
@michaelpujals Жыл бұрын
Old school versus new school thanks for the master class
@terryrochfort3803
@terryrochfort3803 Жыл бұрын
Nick, Pat and George, Awesome job on this video. Fantastic comparison between carb and EFI.
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos Жыл бұрын
Nick! I love this episode! Great guest, great project, real world budget engine, real street water temps, I love this, thank you! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Nick :)
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Merry Christmas.
@malcolmshaw2609
@malcolmshaw2609 Жыл бұрын
Great test as it’s showing a direct comparison between the carb and the efi throttle body, no other differences. Great to see the Carb guy and the EFI guy working together to get the max out of both setups. 👍😁
@rollinkevinlau9937
@rollinkevinlau9937 Жыл бұрын
That’s what I have being built for my 57 Chev. Hoping for around 300 hp. Nice job Guys!
@rollinkevinlau9937
@rollinkevinlau9937 Жыл бұрын
@Your Pappy It’s not a race car just shows decent. I’ve replace a lot. Front discs tube a frames. 5 leaf rear springs. 500 series power steering. It’s a driver and want to be dependable. Also putting a 700R4 as well floors repaired and newer seats. Should be ready for spring.
@conover1978
@conover1978 Жыл бұрын
I love Nick and his videos!! Mad props to Nicks garage !!!
@bills2999
@bills2999 Жыл бұрын
I'm a die hard EFI guy but I tip my hat to gents like you, Nick. It's the master's like you who fix all the little imperfections with carbs to make them worthwhile to compare to EFI....
@512kjt
@512kjt Жыл бұрын
Awesome! This is the one I’ve been waiting for, a bow tie small block!
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage Жыл бұрын
Hope you like it!
@512kjt
@512kjt Жыл бұрын
@@NicksGarageOh I will. I like all of them! Love the channel! I’m asking for merch for Christmas!🎅🏻 🎄 🎅🏻
@josephf593
@josephf593 Жыл бұрын
haven't seen a small block ford in awhile!
@god1st.530
@god1st.530 Жыл бұрын
@@josephf593 keep waiting on it. God Gm ls lt SBC bbc for the win.
@josephf593
@josephf593 Жыл бұрын
@@god1st.530 whatever you say pal. Government motors
@ckelley63
@ckelley63 Жыл бұрын
Nick you have such a great layman's way of explaining things so everyone can understand keep up the great work on behalf of hot rodders everywhere.
@mrkeopele
@mrkeopele Жыл бұрын
nice to be in on this test, thanks so much, fun to see this on the dyno!
@chevyv20
@chevyv20 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Thank you both for this INCREDIBLE comparison! I have to admit I am a 383ci. stroker fan above the 355ci., set up. However that is a masterfully beautiful 355ci. engine! Both of you can be very proud of this build, and comparison! God bless you both! Please keep doing what you do!
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@tmackinator
@tmackinator Жыл бұрын
One of your best videos, thanks for sharing.
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage Жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@staceygandy2009
@staceygandy2009 Жыл бұрын
And for a 355 with parts picked from fans seemed to make a good little small block!
@hiteck007
@hiteck007 Жыл бұрын
I was really impressed at what was put together too. It's a good sleeper motor that one.
@aidanlyons1155
@aidanlyons1155 9 ай бұрын
That engine is a belter! I bet it would hit 450 hp with electric pump as nick suggested, and more time setting up the carb. It kept making peak power at max revs.
@stevegunderson2392
@stevegunderson2392 Жыл бұрын
I watched the distributor rotate...
@cliffwright9842
@cliffwright9842 Жыл бұрын
This was a really good video Nick, and two of my favorite engine guys working together Nick and P Cutter....that was the best!
@McBuggs.
@McBuggs. Жыл бұрын
Well done Nick & Pat for explaining the experimentation of these two fuel systems on the dyno, so cool to view!
@daniel.s.stefanov
@daniel.s.stefanov 6 ай бұрын
Wow, the carb doing pretty good actually!!
@grinchyface
@grinchyface Жыл бұрын
Seldom do you meet an old timer that excitedly recognizes the superiority of new technology while still loving what is traditional to him.
@douglasb9105
@douglasb9105 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I really learned about EFI and how it can be played with. I agree 100% when he said it becomes addicting!
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
Always chasing that perfect tune haha
@pb68slab18
@pb68slab18 Жыл бұрын
Cool! Very few people can tune a carb as well as Nick, and fewer yet have a dyno! Carb tuning can change with time and conditions. Modern FI is self-learning and self-tuning, no matter where ya go. A thin metal spacer with a gasket or o-ring on each side would give the distributor clamp something solid instead of more gaskets.
@apostle55family
@apostle55family 8 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this one - Thank you Nick and Pat
@johnhenryholiday4964
@johnhenryholiday4964 Жыл бұрын
I love that Nick and the other guy didn't focus on the EFI as the problem.... its a common problem to get tunnel vision on a new system and not look at all causes....
@g0fvt
@g0fvt Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing a fair test, I think it shows that an "original" car would not be losing out on power with a carb but a daily driver might be better with EFI.
@justme-27
@justme-27 Жыл бұрын
Awesome tough little motor. Took a beating and never blinked
@BuzzLOLOL
@BuzzLOLOL Жыл бұрын
Blinked several times with loose distributor and wrong A/F...
@cuttersperformance
@cuttersperformance Жыл бұрын
Really took a beating after this testing...I strapped a turbo on it and we beat the crap out of it on the dyno. Check out the 75th live show to see the first turbo dyno run. The 355 took it like a champ
@pauls5745
@pauls5745 7 ай бұрын
Nick has lived and breathed engines and combustion for decades. We are so glad he shares his know-how with us.
@jsteed4388
@jsteed4388 Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite videos from Nicks garage so far very interesting to watch you guys squeeze all the horsepower and torque out of that 355
@beagle7622
@beagle7622 Жыл бұрын
Interesting to say the least. Nick certainly knows his stuff.
@genesimons8368
@genesimons8368 Жыл бұрын
Great to be entertained and learn things at the same time. Another seamless video by the Big Man.. George, YOU ROCK!
@Mprikiman
@Mprikiman 9 ай бұрын
Nick's the coolest master mechanic/tuner/engineer I've ever seen. Interesting video, awesome channel! Subbed!
@johnpage5815
@johnpage5815 Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot guys for learning tips and enjoyed seeing the comment comparison between carburetor and EFI lot of fun thanks
@dewholdingsllc1050
@dewholdingsllc1050 Жыл бұрын
This is the type of content folks like to see.
@jamesglenn2006
@jamesglenn2006 Жыл бұрын
Nice numbers out of that 355, pretty cool testing.
@markmason862
@markmason862 Жыл бұрын
Great comparison video, that a common gear head can understand. 101% in my book !
@rogerclyde2720
@rogerclyde2720 9 ай бұрын
Loads of fun watching, very informative.
@E1337Jerk
@E1337Jerk Жыл бұрын
Glad to see the collaboration two great engine builders!
@69dodgecharger440
@69dodgecharger440 Жыл бұрын
I especially like the shot where carb was beside the efi revving up! So Cool to watch! Awesome Video not easy to make I bet!
@TrueIndie88
@TrueIndie88 Жыл бұрын
I love the trial and error, trying to reach perfection. Thank you!
@richardkrautheim8101
@richardkrautheim8101 8 ай бұрын
Timing control is the game changer for EFI, I understand why they kept the same distributor to make it a "fair" test; because EFI with timing control is a blowout.
@symoncabral8609
@symoncabral8609 Жыл бұрын
I think those efi kits are good for a street car...but if your chasing power. Carbys are still the go
@NicksGarage
@NicksGarage Жыл бұрын
Oldschool!
@mattdavis5994
@mattdavis5994 Жыл бұрын
I had sensors failing on my holley sniper, went back carbed
@v8vega355
@v8vega355 Жыл бұрын
More average power with slightly less peak power over the rpm curve you're going to use will still out run a higher peak power number with less average power in that curve. Unless cvt transmission and you can hold your peak HP without variance in rpm.
@whatta7793
@whatta7793 Жыл бұрын
The little SBC that could, awesome video! I'd rev limit it to 6200 and let her eat!
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