Would love to see a "characters that need a vgu" tier list

I actually love the fact that Mord is green, as that used to be the primary colours of Noxus and when Swains rework pushed the story forward they aligned it more with Darius's colour scheme(Cass, Riven, Draven, Katarina(Red Hair, but green grey outfit), Swain were all green). So it makes sense to keep him Green as he is aligned with the Old Noxus, ruled by his descendants and the Darkwill, so story wise I like it. However, I will agree that in-game readability is very confusing with the Shadow Isles.

Fiddlesticks' voice being done without a filter is more terrifying than anything related to him

I like that Mordekaiser is green, actually as a case study alongside Gwen. Mordekaiser being green despite not being aligned with the Shadow Isles and Gwen being blue despite being aligned with SI makes a clear statement that in Runeterra, necromantic magic as a whole has that Teal presentation, not just the Black Mist. Because even though Gwen also uses a magic mist from Helia, it is different because she doesn't use necromancy to weild it. It's enviromental storytelling.

For voli being groomed, nordic people like the vikings were actually very focused on looking presentable and being clean. And volibears form can change based on the worshippers. That’s just the way I think about it.

The Taric rework for me was just..... Outrageous

im pretty bummed Soraka wasnt mentioned in this at all. her qwe were all changed and it made her a whole new champ (in a good way)

I’m surprised you didn’t mention that when Irelia rework dropped, her ult had a new CC. Disarm was literally so broken that they had to remove it next patch, and never mentioned it again

Rip to my man Shen didn’t make the cut

Although I say that Fiddlesticks is objectively the best rework, Warwick took the cake for me years before. He is my main, the reason I played league and when I saw he was getting a rework I was expecting it by the day and it didn't dissapointed me. It had everything I wanted, he bites, he runs in all 4 and he has a howl that scares people. Best of all? The rework arrived in my birthday (January 25) so yeah, it is perfect. Also, yeah, Warwick, Fiddlesticks, Nunu and Willump, Volibear and Pantheon should be the norm for reworks

Poppy and Yorick deserved to be waaaay higher. Nothing about old Poppy was salvageable (as in, she was basically unplayable as far as I recall) and still they managed to keep a lot of the stuff she had (R "nullifies" opponents, charge E, damage build, W is now actually interesting) while making her a lot more fun to play. Also she's cute as hell now. And for Yorick, I get the over-reliance on the ghouls. I have M7 on him too but that's like, one aspect of the entire rework and not enough for him to be this low :( Regardless, no way they're worse than Ezreal lol, which changed close to nothing. In fact I'm not even sure he qualifies as a rework. A lot of these are VGUs where some are just VUs with minor kit changes (like Morg, maybe Twitch), so it's kinda hard to even put them on the same tier list.

mordekaise has the best ultimate in the game after all she gives you the feeling of what it's like to live in Brazil and as a Brazilian I perfectly approve of this ultimate

I really like Morgana, but when they told me that Morgana got an Update I was like "did she?" (Besides visually)

I still think that the Yorick rework made us lose a type of champion that never happens again. I know it had oh so many flaws, but it was unic

One thing I wished they added to Yorick's rework was different types of ghouls based on what minion you killed. Like if you killed a canon with Q you could summon a tanky ghoul that did some damage or if you Q'd a caster you could get a weak ghoul but would attack fast.

I play swain quite a bit and got to agree with the voicelines, I really love his voicelines, especially that one "They are five steps from realizing: I am ten steps ahead." just intensifies that mastermind attitude

Kayle's whole idea is that she is trying to get away from being human and failing because we're all human and try as we might that frailty is apart of us, having her turn into some alien cosmic thing at level 16 would undermine the theme. Aurelion, Voli, Pantheon, the Watchers, Janna, the Ascended and the Darkin are all tropes that deconstruct the perfection of godlike entities and Kayle is the most obvious foil showing the player why that is futile. This trope is pretty much the core theme of the game, they're all gods, but they're all flawed and frail in a way that slowly makes the player see they aren't truly gods with their very human frailty. Kayle is the reverse trope, instead of a god who displays humanlike qualities, she is a human who is aspiring to become a god. She sees mortals as needing guidance and naturally self-destructive and tries to annihilate her own emotions and personality to ascend above humanity. It's clear that she struggles however, she felt guilt at her hand in her father's death, rage when Morgana kills Ronas (who she loved on some level) and she has a whole host of conflicted emotions towards Morgana viewing her as both sister and enemy at the same time. You're not really supposed to think "oh is Kayle a god" she obviously isn't (she's not even a legit Aspect) but watching the same god complex quandary, but playing out in reverse provides context for the other "gods". The properties of godliness she is imposing on herself are the same that are happening with all the other godlike entities. Here it's more pronounced and forced to make us see how silly pushing for godhood is when she falls short. Her righteousness, stoicism and lofty purpose cannot cover up her humanity.

I like how there's nobody from the Assassin rework update on the list because almost everyone got reverted back to square one(rip Rengar single AOE Q penta kill). Except Talon, which you forgot since he kept his Assassin reworks where his passive, Q and E changed to the current parkour iteration.

I feel like a change to Poppy’s lore just a bit could mean a lot, like instead her just not knowing, there’s a part of her that thinks she might be the hero but that if she is, she doesn’t believe she’s strong enough to help Demacia, thus, she looks for a hero stronger and better than her when they take the hammer.

There was a very long period of time where I thought old Evelynn and Elise were the exact same champion and then when they reworked her and Elise and her started appearing in my games I suddenly realised I might be a little bit stupid

Old nunu was one of the first champs I ever got in league. His AP snowballs were some of the funniest health deleters back then. Combine that with spamming nunu bots laugh, and it got even better! Good times

Started league when jinx came out, my friend would play ad sion and just stand under towers and life steal and I thought it was so cool, I wanted to play a life steal champ so I played aatrox and he's been my main ever since 1.1 million mastery and I think his vgu was such a needed improvement. Sure his old kit was erased, but God damn his old kit was awful. If the ability you max in lane isn't even really a useful skill outside of lane your champions kit is bad and it needs a redo. Old aatrox didn't even have an identity he was a bootleg amalgam of Jax and tryndamere with a little bit of xin thrown in. Now aatrox actually has a kit that functions well with itself and has a gameplay premise that actually works and is badass.

slight thing, i think morde's greenness is still indirectly linked to the shadow isles by necrotic magic league's magic system is super cool because you can very much tell what kinda magic is what, so i just think green is the associated colour of necromancy

Actually fun fact they *did* do a mini update to Yorick's E where now if you land it, any graves automatically spawn a ghoul and yeets it at the opponent, meaning you don't have to wait to farm up 3 graves to actually engage. Really helped his team fight/split push given that you get a free grave every other wave and Q is on such a low cd late game. Plus the cage is sleeper op, not only to catch out players but to slow down a push given that enemy minions are blocked too. So uh yeah he's not useless without maiden. 10000 times better yes, but he's at least not a cannon minion without her

"Mordekaiser has nothing to do with the Shadow Isles" I think the green-ish stuff is just the undead aesthetic of league, so i don't see the issue.

I used to main adc back in the day, and out of my 3 champions only one still exists today, and that is Kog'maw. If I'd play Urgot or Graves adc now I would be called a madman. Rip Graves Adc Rip Urgot Adc, dead but not forgotten :(

No one ever remembers the Soraka update probably because she had the visual update released and then her gameplay rework afterwards. Like old Soraka was nightmare fuel and her old Q was obscene lol. Plus being able to heal herself without a skillshot and giving people mana.

I still miss Old Karma and being a, well, “reverse assassin” and also making minions a point and click aoe nuke with Mantra+E.

To be honest to fix Yorick only thing he would need is making his W spawn graves. It fits because its wall of mistwalkers right? So when wall is destroyed it will spawn graves depending on level of ability.

Fiddlesticks is the best. Especially the harmless scarecrow tactic, Its Lore introduces the Demon Pandemonium or hierarchy. The Ten Demons is just interesting and being the first is the best. Then Nilah calls these ten demons, LORD. So far, there's the Lord of Fear & Joy.

Karma was a lot more than a visual update! Her gameplay completely changed and I'm still mad about it, she was my first character I bought and the first character I mained....

3:20 Old Evellin looked like a smurf in a gimp suit After the rework it actually looked like a shapeshifting demon that wants to torture you mentally and psychically

Nicky boy: Udyr, the rework so close to perfection Also Nicky boy: Udyr is perfect

Aaah man ... I remember when Twitch used to look like The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Sion's death stare or his shield, Fiora's Master Yi alphas trike as an Ultimate, Yorick's weird ult and annoying ghouls, Poppy q dmg xD Found memories of Season 3 and 4.

The only problem I have with pantheons rework is that they changed the bread into pie in baker pantheon

Regarding Ezreal: You mentioned his W , but the one you mentioned was already the reworked one. His original W was able to heal allies and also grant attack speed to them!

The thing about Galio is that he was originally Piltovan, he was just a massive reference to Disney's Gargoyles, and that's it. As a Malzahar main I'm really offended you didn't include him here. I reached mastery 7 with the guy by playing him AD top, when the voidlings dealt physical damage and you could shred tanks effortlessly. I used to practice with a friend who played Tahm Khench. I would deploy the voidlings, he would engage and eat me, and while I was safely inside of his belly receiving little damage he would be torn to pieces by the little parasites. When they made his first rework it was still good, but then they made him a mini rework and I would never be able to play him Ad ever again. RIP my good friend.

I feel like sejuani's rework was undersold since she also got the juggernaut rework that made her w not just aoe damage, made her e a stacking stun instead of just a slow, and made her ult single target with a slow field instead of a group stun.

I wholeheartedly agree with Kayle needed to ascend in the opposite transition. She needs to appear with more armor near the end. As for Morgana, she’ll still use her powers to teach lessons, she just resents the divine and nobility. I don’t think that means she has to be dirty, but I also don’t think she can just instantly blend into society either. Old Demacia knew about the sisters, so it would take a while for people to forget about her.

Mantheon is the perfect VGU imo, great model, great lore, same gameplay but modernized/skill expression

Wild How Gankplank had the best event/expansion both in LoL and LoR

Your comment on Vayne is the exact reason I used to play old Yorik as a support. Nobody knew what the hell he did bot lane and it was fun to bully people and then spawn double ADCs

1:05 Honestly, I think I'm burned out from the discussion but I realized that the real problem of Aatrox's rework was the lack of communication on Riot's part that they were going to just completely reimagine his kit and honestly, I don't hate it. I did initially but I realized that his gameplay depth has simply shifted from stacking passive and engaging with W toggled to Q ability casting and positioning. It's something and that's more than I can say about Mordekaiser who honestly lost depth with his rework, I get they wanted to make a more simplistic juggernaut but dear God, there is virtually nothing here from old Morde and that's really a problem when new Morde has no skill to flex at all. He's a literal stat check in every sense of the word but its really just that he feels so unsatisfying on top of having no skill expression. You get kited in ult by anyone with mobility, your E is too slow to catch people with a brain, if its against melee, you just build ap tank and... tank through everything W and Q. It's such a far cry from what his old kit and build versatility allowed him to do.

Maybe a tierlist about mini-reworks, would be cool to watch :D

You forgot about Shen pal

I'd say Volibear's look makes sense since the gods of that region tend to have forms based on what people think they look like. Which is why the Thousand Pierced Bear eldritch horror looking skin is a canon look for Voli. The groomed look is suppose to take after the Winter Claw fashion style.

I've been playing this game so long I remember when Morde's shield just...absorbed an amount of damage equal to the amount of shield he had and it replenished every time he dealt damage.

On Morde being green, his power comes from souls which appear to be green from everything we’ve seen.

I learned league playing old fiddle mid. Love the rework but miss fiddles bouncing crow, was my favorite ability :(

lol I remember when Star Guardian Akali came out there were all these comments about how "her animations finally look good." and "she needs a visual update." Like they didn't know that Akali was already reworked hahaha if only they knew the truth O_O

Watching this video two years later and seeing the end title of nicky asking for the skarker vgu is so funny knowing he comes out a whole 2 years later lol

"Visual clarity is only a factor if your champion is not popular" Nicky dropped the based truth that I will set in stone and someday (I hope) I will hit someone from Riot HQ in the head with that stone.

I've been an Evelynn main for a long time before and after the rework, andi agree that It's perfect. She did lose some options, and her abilities and playstyle shifted dramatically (at least for Simeone Who played her a lot), but what the rework did was shift the power budget of her kit in a way that made possible to tweak her numbers and make her strong without her being oppressive. Also It focused the playstyle (you could build anything on old Eve) making so the players and the developers knew what she did (until a little bit before the rework i think ad bruiser Eve was meta). The work they did on the design, voice and lore Is also amazing.

Someday, I actually hope they do a game mode where we either play as or play against the old models and kits these champs had. Like maybe use them in doombots or something

Only have a passing interest in league of legends and im not sure how i got here but your editing is top notch and it makes me laugh heartily.

Mord went from a scaling AP champ that has a objective base sub ult (dragon) to a champ that only brings damage and suppression. But since the suppression is in another area away from a team fight you teammates can't capitalize properly on the suppression. it's literally a worse version of Malzahar as a result. Yes he is now like most top laners but he lost the niche that made him viable in pro play. Anytime Aatrox is available it's a better option then Mord.

The thing about kayle is that she's not supposed to be a tanky character, I recall seeing a post or a tweet from a rioter who basically said that if she had the amount of armor on all the time it would mess with her visual clarity. Essentially armor would lead people to believe that she's supposed to be tanky when she's not.

I kinda miss old Eve because she had the hybrid ratios and Bruiser Eve was actually really fun

Aatrox is F tier, not because it’s not good, but because they literally removed Aatrox from the game and replaced him with a look-a-like. Legit changed all 4 abilities and passive. Worst part is they did when the og champ was finally in a good spot.

Ngl this video was very entertaining. Probs wanting to check out your stream now cuz of it

Very surprised Master Yi isn't on the list because his VGU was the first big one. Though i guess his gameplay didn't change too too much. Rip AP YI tho.

Even though Aatrox was a good step lorewise for the Darkin I still miss his old iteration because he was subversive in comparison. With his current verson you get what you see, an angry demon who wants to destroy and kill, but even though his old form also looked like that he behaved very differently, was very soft-spoken and moved with a certain poise and grace.

Bro I gotta stop you the fiora rework is exceptional 👏 it's actually perfect except it literally nerfed her from God mode to skill champion

The first rework I ever saw since I started playing was Sion, which was odd for me to figure out what was really different about him at the time cause I had never seen old Sion or played old Sion. Now he's like one of my favourite champions.

I actually want Yi's rework to have his Q as an Ult maybe tweaked a bit damage and interaction wise but somewhat the same... it's too iconic on him but too strong and annoying for a basic ability

Katarina rework is also great. For me, I also miss her old skills but the new rework of her is magnificent wherein there are so many things that can be done or should I say her new skills can outplay others champs even though she is low. Just sharing my thoughts :)

pantheon has to be one of if not the best rework that riot has ever, not just the gameplay and visual but the lore as well. he was killed by aatrox WHILE possessed by the aspect, but through sheer willpower and big dick energy, he was resurrected and he defeated aatrox as a mere mortal man. panth is the biggest gigachad out of all of the champions and there isn’t even an argument.

as nunu came up an ad for go pro started with a ski blitzing past and i died

After seeing the range in reworks I’m praying that the riot gods look down favourably upon Aurelion Sol

I will say I think Kayle's design makes sense. I see it as she covers herself with armor to start because she is human and she needs that protection. Kayle and Morgana have a few lines that hint at that. When she ascends, she takes off the armor because she doesn't need it anymore, she's not a "frail human". I do prefer her original armor to her current armor. Ideally, she would start off as Traditional Kayle and end up in her lv. 16 armor. Though, I do think it's sweet that she has a hint of purple to tie her to her Morgana visually.

Amazing video as always Nickyboyo!

They actually did do more to Sej than just gave her clothes and called it a day. Remember when her W was just to slam down the flail and then spin it around her in a circle for X seconds? Or that her passive was just to slow people she autoed which then allowed her E to...Slow them more? Her ult used to stun in Aoe as well. Q didn't even knock up enemy champions on release...just applied the frost slow passive.

I fucking cry every time when Pantheon's theme kicks in. He's epic beyond any measure

Morde will always be my boy after the rework.

Old Poppy ult still gives me nightmares. I will never forget a Poppy going full ad, ulting the carry, and shitting on the entire team without taking damage. Basically a Olaf ult on steroids.

This is a really good video you guys. Anyway, Skarner video when?

Fiora still the same ? I bet you never played fiira in your life

Old Tarik was amazing as a counter engage support. Especially now that every champion has several dashes to dodge his stun, I think there really is something to be said for point and click crowd control. I basically stopped playing that champion after they reworked him.

The only thing I wanted to change in new Morde is the ult effect after killing someone. Just gimme back the champ spirit while keeping the 1V1 area. I miss being a duelist god while having a minion close because his old W (I think) was that continuous damage over time around him and a buddy while also building his passive shield and them Healing a crap ton if you finish close to someone.

I remember old champions had unintentional mechanics which were annoying to fight against, but provoked players to think. Gangplank used to allow denying of creeps. So a Gangplank support would hinder the enemy carry and support through pure spite. Did force either a kill lane or a passive lane, but given ten minutes of farm, the enemy team would be really behind. Nunu's ability to steal minions from the enemy jungle and basically body them, helped define map awareness and lane pressure as well. Kayle used to be the feed me champion that could carry as hard or harder than Tryn. All of these things make me feel so nostalgic for an old addictive drug called League of Legends.

Talons rework was so thrash that it didn't even appear on this list xD

a nice update to yorick could be to put a cooldown instead on his ghoul summoning, and killing minion with q would reduce the cooldown, he would still rely on ghoul, but it would be a lot more reliable

I would love to see a "who's invited to the cookout" tier list

about the green on mordekaiser: i think this green/blue is used to represent a "life after death" color, and not necessarely shadow isles. i mean, all "undead" champions have this color as far as i remember, like mordekaiser and pyke

Yorick is a split pusher and can create pressure on multiple lanes with ghouls and maiden, not a team fighter, instead of going to drake you can instead push 2 lanes with yourself and maiden and take multiple towers or even close out a game, enemy is forced to back to deal with you and that secures your team objectives

as someone who played Old Karma I put her rework under "utter shit" since they did not simply rework her they flat out replaced her with completely different lore, kit, and design. She was significantly more fun with her old design instead of the boring Q spammer she is now.

I have yet to try morde since they took away my dragon buddy I guess the same for Evelyn but that’s mainly because I used to play her back when you could stack sunfire capes and I just never liked her any other way. Old urgot was so fun on dominion lol

In Lor Galio and Veigar being buddies is the best thing ever. LOR feeds us soooo well lore wise

I think theblast time I played LoL was when Kayn came out... It's interesting to see which champions got reworked since then

BRUH THE PANTH THEME GOES HARRRD

The reason why I want Morgana so much in Legends of Runeterra is for her to have a new look that actually fits her story

tfw Karma's rework was also gameplay and not just visual. Her entire kit was changed, essentially. I'm still in the belief that she needed a new rework almost immediately after her first, and her patch note history (wow 55% AP ratio on base Q, ty Riot !!) agrees with me. Karma should be more like Lux, and less like Lulu.

Never seen more "i clearly don't know what i am talking about" video when it comes to champion reworks.

As far as yorick goes, i think a really cool design (idk anything about lore) would be being the aspect of ghouls ei; his ghouls would come out of his body and act like kalista e, or they're a soft cc or something like that, passive would be something like thresh passive where he collects ghouls from dead minions/monsters/champions. His q doesnt feel like anything particular to him specifically. Aesthetically idk what to do with it but it feels misplaced. his cage is really cool, i like it a lot, but his ult is where the really magic could shine. Imagine he's got 2 gigantic ghoul arms that come out of him and anyone within a certain range gets their life drained. Gameplay wise, thats what i picture yorrick to be. Visually, i dont think his size would change much, but his colour scheme could use some tweaks. I think maybe a little more grey, as in darker, could be one option, definitely not the route they took with viego (gross) but more muted colours. As for actual physical design, the cloak could do him so much more justice. Right now he just looks like a more alive version of skeletor from he-man, but i would imagine him more like a kind of buff dementor from harry potter combined with new mordekaiser. That would be my idea, but im not a visual designer in any way, so im unsure what that would actually look like Anyways, hopefully he gets an overhaul in the future. He deserves it almost as much as skarner did I would love to see some concept art for a redesign for yorick

About Kayles rework, I think the Sun-Eater skin for her fixes it 10000%. I want a biblically accurate scary looking eyeball thing with wings than what ever she is in base....

A good friend of mine mains Yorick, and as he would put it: "Yorick is a collection of bugs turned into a kit."

I think the aatrox dance is intentional. Pre rework it was bugged and moving for no reason, but post rework they kept it as a reference to the old bugged dance because the animation isn’t exactly the same, they changed it so it looks like the sword is dancing (bopping his head like the man).

that old Tristana is really nostalgic looking though.

i wish fiddlesticks q would still be a fear and only apply the damage to an already scared champion, while true Q cooldown is being restored, like when you use it then you can insta recast it on currently scared champs, but once it restores you can fear the champ you scared again

okay it's driving me insane, what's the song you used in the background when you were talking about Yorick? It's on the tip of my tongue and it enrages me that i cannot name it