So that Volibear section aged like milk huh

the interesting thing about fiddle as a final boss/villain is that he will never lose even if he is destroyed or defeated. Unless everybody stops being afraid of stuff he will always come back

I feel like Fiddlesticks shouldn't be a Final Boss but a Secret Boss, one you can unlock once you beat the game.

17:43 “to a Buddhist she would be a dim goon” is easily the best line in this entire video

I think Veigar fits in basically every box, I think he's easily a major threat and probably the strongest yordle, he could be final boss if you decide to write a way for him to gain even more power, like taking all of mordekaisers power for himself. He can be an anti-hero as he's honestly not that bad a guy, just insecure. And he could just be a dim goon or obstacle if you wanna make a funny gag where you punt him and he flies off like team rocket.

Tying Kalista into a Viego redemption arc, especially considering their relationship in the book and how Isolde thought Kalista could have change him, is brilliant. I’d love to see that.

Nicky: Would you go on a grand quest to fight Volibear? Nilah:

The only reason why Zoe is not a Final Boss is because she doesn't feel like it. She jokes around with ASol and stole Fiddlesticks's key like it was nothing. She was also the reason Darkins got trapped in their weapons. If someone can fuck around with every final boss in a universe they definitely have the power to be one themselves. But she's more in the area of "This character is so nonchalant about their powers that we don't actually know how powerful they are" similar to characters like Professor Paradox or Gaunter O'Dimm.

If Renata, Camille and Jhin are in final boss, Swain should be up there too. Depending on the story being told he can easily play the part.

I need to see more from Renata Glasc so bad. I still remember how hype everyone was at her reveal, need that energy again.

Nicky :"Would you go on a grand quest to fight Volibear? Nah.." LoR Nilah : "Hold my joy"

There should be a "Force of nature" category, where it isn't accualy a villain but just something to be reconed with and easly avoidable like for Nautilius - paying the fee

I'd put Illaoi and Shen in anti-heroes, too, because they're mostly concerned with their own notions of balance and team up with the goodies mostly out of happenstance.

Ah yes... My favorite final bosses: -Space Dragon with the powers of a God -The primordial Demon of fear -Giant warrior who literally created his own world in the afterlife -Arcane mage with unlimited power -Evil Spirit who lores the suffer of others -A powerful mage who killed her own sisters and can froze you in seconds -Crazy genius who loves kill people -Evil ex-demigod who wants to destroy the world -Clasist and evil woman who'll kill anyone without hesitate -Sugar Mommy

Fiddle feels like a secret superboss. The game wouldnt be built around him or anything but there would be small hints and quests through out the game and then towards the end or in the post game you can fight them as a challenge. Basically dark lurker in dark souls 2 or the valkyrie queen in god of war but its actually cool because you care about the enemy this time.

“Leblanc is a Major Threat.” She’s a master deceiver, strategizer and tactician. Two schools burned down and three kids ran away. 😂

Viego redemption arc where he has an awkward father - daughter relationship with Gwen sounds so cool, and that is also a perfect ways to give Yorick a new purpose, now Yorick will be the one who help Viego reintegration into the new world.

The idea of Viego getting a redemption arc would be so incredibly cool in my opinion.

Veigar would be a mix between major threat and anti villain, cuz he'd be a really powerful yordle, but ends up helping you on accident over and over

the options Riot has for horror games is amazing and I'm so sad that they don't seem to be considering anything. Mundo in his "hospital" trying to "cure" you, Elise in her lair, Fiddlesticks of course (would end in you dying no doubt because there's just no way you don't), Nocturne, you could be trying to get out of an entire region and have to avoid him in the physical and dream realm, a Pyke game where you're trying to run from a bar in Bilgewater and something starts chasing you, like seriously Riot please do something in this genre instead of giving us these horror themed characters and then never touching on them again.

You have no idea how happy it made me to hear you say "Viego should have a redemtion arc" because guess what: I've been thinking the EXACT SAME THING! Now that the ruination leaking from his heart has been broken, he has a chance to see things clearly, and move on from Isolde, and try to make something of his life now.

Putting azir who can make an entire army of soldiers and raise cities from sand and katarina how can jump really fast on the same level a god damn war crime

I feel like Fiddlesticks would be the secret boss in a hypothetical league rpg, besides the one that already exists. An optional boss battle you need to do before the final boss to unlock a secret or maybe the true ending. Even though he isn't on your list of "people I need to kill to save the world or whatever" he still poses a major threat to the core of this world, and only by defeating him can you restore the balance. Somewhat like Shiva from SMTV (I think. Haven't beaten him yet, just assumed it was something along those lines)

Now you need a HERO tier list. Just add the antiheroes back to the list and then classify the others according to how good they are or how important is their role in saving the world

"Would you go on a Grand Quest to fight The Volibear?" According to Nilah and Janna? Yeah, yeah you would apparently.

1:15 I love that Passione hierarchy edit and that Camile is in place of lasquadra who wanted to hunt down the Boss. Also fitting since her animations are literally jojo poses.

Singed is literally behind all the major events in Ionia, Noxus and Zaun though. He pushes Viktor into what he eventually becomes, he was the creator of the chemical that devastated Ionia, I remember he did more but I haven't seen his lore in so long I forgor, but I'm pretty sure he is a major threat. Just working more so behind the scenes.

I'm just imagining a game in Bilgewater, a mission where you are on a ship, and the Nautilus just rises from the depths and you must fight the Titan and win before the ship goes down... He's still an "obstacle", but could be such a badass one. Very fun video by the way !

Would be nice if we knew more about the Darkin power levels because without it we never know how strong they are and it makes it easy to underestimate Rhaast/Kayn with their struggle for control and their potential with both forms.

Love the list, really fun watch! I do have aaaaa slight gripe with Swain's placement. Man is contracted with a demon, has a power-up form with raven wings, leads the most aggressive and power-hungry nation in Runeterra, like, in any context where you're fighting Noxus, Swain is your literal nightmare. Not to mention the global meddling, the constant observation, that's classic final boss stuff. He's always watching, and very inclined to putting his efforts into screwing over his threats. There's a genuine danger that Swain could even manipulate into framing somebody else, or otherwise getting out of dodge - he's a total threat and leads the most traditionally evil-coded region (aside from the shadow isles lmao). That's a final boss to me, he even has a built-in phase 2 :^)

Veigar having a skin which the name is literally "Veigar Final Boss" and not being in the Final Boss tier is so ironic. I think he would be a good plot twist final boss, where at the beginning no one really take him seriously until he finally reach to his true potential at the end.

24:12 “Would you go on some grand quest to fight Volibear?” Nilah:

"Are you gonna go on a grand quest to defeat the Volibear?! No" LoR Nilah: And I took that personally

The idea of a antihero viego, redemtion with gwen and kalista, and bring back ledros is so awesome that…. Riot dont have the neurons to make such a incredible idea and probably make viego another villan

The line “to a buddhist kindred would be a dim goon” had me rolling 😂

... I would say that Vel'koz is probably a final boss due to being almost on par with the Watchers. He's the strongest creature of the Void and the Eye of the Watchers and, well... disintegrates everything to learn them. He's also stated to be the oldest creature of the Void, so by that standard he probably could be much more powerful than we know.

24:12 "are you gonna go on a grand quest to fight volibear?" LoR Nilah: 👍

Thing I love about league, there really is a MAJOR villain for most of the regions. Like if you wanted to, you could legit make a game where you go and fight each region and they hierarchy battle

I would argue that Darius could work as an Anti-Hero, or a villain you'd feel sympathetic for. After loosing his wife and family, he could potentially become a villain that sacrifices himself at the end.

Rewatching tahm kench teaser and I actually love the metaphorical aspect of it. Tahm functions as a representative of greed and addiction of the gambler. The gambler gets a way out but after all the good times he still lets greed in, he gives in to the addiction of gambling and loses everything, the gifts, the feast and his wife.

Kayle would be amazing for a JRPG style game, where it's less about the Villain and more about the journey to get strogn enough to fight them in the first place. Just having her as a Vague threat far off in the background most of the time, and when she appears she just gives one grand monolouge and then it's Divine Justice for the next 40-50 minutes.

I am very happy about Nicky's take on Viego. I also think Riot made a very big mistake of making the whole story as "Viego bad" "Isolde good", I think it would have been more interesting if it was genuine love on both sides turned toxic due to their circumstance. With Isole being a naive girl thrown in a world she doesn't understand, being toxic on the level of abusing the massive amount of power she just received. And Viego being a young prince that is lost in a powerstruggle of people who try to use him for their own agendas.

Putting swain leader of a strongest nation with a DEMON inside him next to kata and at the same time putting camille in a final boss 💀💀💀💀

"But, would you go on some grand quest to take down Volibear? Like, he's like a primordial being." Nilah:

29:05 The most underrated comment in the video 😂😂 "Mundo can be a final boss if he pleases"

This is why we need more Lore stories, the amount of incomplete champions in their lore is crazy

What is really interesting about a list like this is that whether or not a character would be a final boss in their story really does matter based on how the character operates. For example, I think that Singed does belong in the Major Threat category, but Silco definitely would be a final boss to me. The reason being that singed is mostly acting by and to himself. He does creat checmial weapons and unholy mutant abominations, but a lot of that is either for research or funding. On the other hand, Silco directly and intently moved the very foundation of Zaun/Undercity, and hoardes of obstacles and major threats alike moved at his whim. I could imagine fighting Singed as the boss of his own stage or plot line, but taking Silco down would have such load-bearing significance that it would demand a final confrontation format - even if that final fight would likely be you fighting the tag team of Jinx and Sevica, because Silco might not be a fighter, but he commands the whole story by his actions. A similar case with Jhin, Lyssandra or A-Sol. Within a story that proportionately accounts for the scale at which they would operate, these characters bascially act as the agents of their own stories. Basically nobody else could overthrow them as final threats, because the consequences they wreak are too important to ignore, and they are set up as being far too capable to just brush aside as "not the final big bad of the arc." For a similar reason, I can't really imagine Fiddlesticks being on this list for the same reason why people agree that Kindred shouldn't - and I would also include the Watchers. Fiddle, to me, is basically just a force of nature at this point. Highly malevolent, no doubt, but it has mroe of this eldritch presence to it. There is no grand plan, nor scheming. Death simply arrives wherever the scare crow reaps. You cant stop it, and likely you can barely concieve of it, and for that reason, I think a category should exist for creatures like this that cannot be simply fought, only "survived."

Kled is NOT an obstacle. He's the greatest High Major Commodore of the First Legion Third Multiplication Double Admmiral Artillery Vanguard Company Lord Major Admiral of the Second Legion's Forward Artillery-Cavalry Multiplication. Such a prestigious station cannot possibly make you anything than the Final Boss of the Final Boss.

"Would you go on a quest to kill Volleybear?" Meanwhile in LoR....Nilah going on a quest to kill volleybear.

Persinaly i think Swain deserves to be a final boss. Cause he has a lot of things in common with camille and renata

22:59 Is such a cool idea. I would love to see anti-hero/redemption arc Viego. I wanna lean more towards Anti-Hero, cause I feel like he's way too selfish and egotistical to be fully redeemed. I doubt Riot will ever go that route, they'll probably keep him as a major threat or make him the final boss of the MMO like Necrit said. But damn, that's such a good concept.

If Viego gets redeemed, I’ve gotta see a Morde Vs Viego showdown

seeing KAYLE of all champions not in Final Boss is a crime. She quite literally might be the most powerful aspect next to Aurelian Sol or Kindred. She can summon THOUSANDS of garens ultimate at will.

Tahm Kench would be a secret boss disguised as an NPC helper. You could take his deal if you're in a bind (say for an RPG some gold, health potions, weapons, etc. all with some sort of tradeoff you have to give him), but taking his deal _too many times_ would trigger his boss fight. I'd also, just because I think it'd be thematic, have him be like FF1 Warmech levels of tough. Because you've fed into him so much he's brimming with power.

Strange that Quiyana was so low because she was weak when Renata was so high because she is the strongest in her region. Shouldn't that also be the same for Quiyana? Also Viktor will be way more interesting if he really goes full villain.

Bro the Viego story idea was really good idea

Nicky: but would you go like to some grand quest to fight voliber? Nillah: thats the plan so far..

Mad respect for always putting your background music in the description

Amazing tier video, can’t help but agree with all of the placements. Great content as usual!

i don't exactly understand the logic behind "well renata is final boss because it's relative to their own region" but then "qiyana is dim goon because she can't go up against kayle and aurelion sol" and also "singed is obstacle because he can't hold his own"

24:12 Nilah going on a grand quest to take him out *intensifies*

Riot, take the "Redeemed Viego", just do it. I want to see Viego learning how to be a dad with precious and way too brave for her own good cinnamon roll Gwen on one hand, and gloomy problem child thinks her dad's becoming lame Vex. That's a million dollar idea, right there.

😍 This is the collaboration we needed . Nickyboi and necrit, love the humour and love the video

I'm all in on making Viego+Kalista redemption arc!!!! Viego healing up from his heartbreak and tries to atone for his wrongdoings, with the support of her daughter(Gwen) and his neice, of course, facing many challanges where many people will never forgive him, but that's what he must live with. Also, don't know why, but I suddenly imagined Braum revisiting Bilgewater and he would be very friendly with Viego cuz he's such a kindhearted man and Illaoi would probably be cool with him since he's making a change for the better. MF and Yasuo probably are the least acceptable of him, maybe more MF rather than Yasuo, but Pyke probably doesn't give a care whole Ahri might also empathize with him since she had a past of taking many lives and maybe possibly empathize about losing someone they love(?. Not sure about this one lol)

For me Fiddle and kindred feel like 100% those post game bosses that you just happen to find in a random spot that puts everything you went through the game to shame in terms of difficult. While Zoe and Annie are those side quests that gets you by surprise with spike in the difficult halfway through a game. Could see them making Fiddle just be there as a scarecrow form that no matter how many times you interact it doesn't respond even after the game just to get you by rushing at you when you less expect.

Great editing on vid!🔥

Anyone could be a boss fight depending on who the protagonist is. Maybe make a new video for the ones left out, taking into account the possibility of playing as an evil character. Veigar's interesting in that regard - he WANTS to be the supreme evil, but in his lore he mostly only fights worse villains. He's like a tiny magical Godzilla. You probably wouldn't fight him unless you were playing as a villain (or called him short). I also wouldn't make Fiddle a final boss. In terms of power he's one of the top forces in Runeterra, but all he really does is hunt individual people, and he doesn't really have any big "plans" to be suitable as the final boss of a story. I think if he appeared in a game, it would be as a stage where you just had to survive as he hunted you.

I think either route with viego works but the redemption would be most compelling since it can be a way for viego to mature, he was childish in his past and return which came to a peak when it came to Isolde, now that she’s gone the path to maturity is open to him, or revenge, either works

I really love your idea about Viego. I always wanted Viego to be some huge final boss but redemption is better. Mainly because he don't need to die and just dad and hateful daughter(gwen) when they eventually create family together(and maybe Vex like rival to Gwen) is just so gorgeous. Would love and pay to see it.

Fiddlesticks is the type of final boss that shows up and kills the original final boss while youre fighting them

"Would you go on a quest to go defeat Volibear?" LoR:😶

Neat concept! Can’t wait to see who is the worst of the worst, or in villain terms, the best😂

I always thought after the Ranatta treat is death with, Viktor either gets some redemtion or becomes the next final villain. Like I think it would be fun to take his story in either directions.

thank god you put our Aury sol in final boss yay!! I love your chemistry and lore knowledge here btw it's so fun

I love this kind of videos!!

Imagine a souls like game with runeterra characters. You have the void, the demons, and the darkin. Add in some more “human” bosses like noxus faction and you got like a whole elden ring world. You could even have various jungle camps and minions as the fodder enemies

Personally, I don't see Aatrox as a final boss, but that's probably because Riot feels weirdly inconsistent with him. It's sort of like Bel'Veth situation where the character is presented as being way more powerful than he actually is. Dude wants to end all of creation but doesn't even seem capable of doing so. Reminder that he didn't even truly succeed in killing the Aspect of War, since Atreus is still running around with Pantheon's power inside him. I mean, if any Darkin feels like a final boss, it's Xolaani. Her blood magic is so OP that she can actually CONSUME an Aspect and potentially enslave every living being on Runeterra, including the other Darkin. By contrast, Aatrox feels more like Major Threat territory. The dude is definitely a problem, but I'm not sure that I buy he has the power to actually end the world by himself based on everything we've seen of him.

I feel like Camille and Renata would team up for profit, domination and keeping the social inequalities. Even though Camille probably had a part in Renata's parents death she wouldn't necessarly consider that as dangerous in their alliance as she would think Renata see beyond what was and that social and monetary domination are more important that past "pettyness". That way Renatta could be very dangerous to Camille if she sees her as just a rival with common interests but is plotting a revenge beyond just taking the ascendant and Camille being an ally to Renatta could lure her into reckless decisions if Camille manipulates her feelings

The editing is really really good and changes the lvl of entertainment by a lot.

I understand that a lot of this is subjective, but even as something subjective, simply by your OWN standards some of this was CRAZY. How are you gonna have Glasc, Camille, and Jhin at Final Boss, when you throw Singed, Swain, Renekton and Darius down a tier, even MULTIPLE tiers because of arguments like "He's just an axe guy." Volibear is also crazy amongst others for the opposite reason, where they're strong, but storywise you think they wouldn't fit. Either you're grading off of how you think they would function in a game/story, in which case you can keep Glasc and Camille up there, but then you have to kick up characters like Swain, Darius, Bel'veth, Gankplank, and others, or you're basing off of strength, in which case you know this tierlist is all over the place. And if for some reason you're trying to say that this tierlist is both, then I don't know how I'm supposed to make a lick of sense out of those aforementioned 3 in final boss when the argument for Bel'veth being down is that her knowledge is limited to that of a human, when YOU'RE PUTTING HUMANS IN FINAL BOSS. Human intellect is not a disqualifier from Final Boss, and if you wanna focus on the ego aspect of that criticism instead (saying that large ego is a negative for this tier list,) then it is BLASPHEMOUS to put Jhin (amongst others) in Final Boss. All of that to say I think this tier list QUICKLY devolved into how much you like these characters as villains rather than any take on their intelligence, or strength, or likelihood of being Final Boss material (although even THAT isn't a great categorizer for this tierlist considering how many times you said you liked a character but knocked it down a few tiers either due to you knowing they're not that strong, or that Riot has done their character dirty in prior iterations.) Honestly after thinking about it, I think this tierlist is just. There. Like, no rubric for these characters' placings at all. Some of them were put where they were put because of strength, others because of narrative, others just because you liked/disliked them, and others from some combination of the 3. I'll iterate that this is not meant to be a hater comment, but I wanted it to be said because I felt like I found myself continuing to watch out of morbid curiosity in what characters were going to be given justice or butchered at any given moment rather than the normal interest I would have in what you think of a character.

I like that Karthus genuinely believes that he's doing the right thing, and that he's helping people by pulling the souls out of them and discarding their dead meatsuits. Life is cringe, death is cool. Karthus is an anti-hero.

the fucking part with lulu and the gangman style squirrel genuinely made me spit out my drink

I'm sorry but Urgot above the commaning officer of the army of Noxus, current lord of the land, with thousands of troops at his orders and a demon he tamed? Swain is a final Boss in my headcannon, none can convince me otherwise

Qiyana is a major threat for sure if not final boss. If you watch what Taliyah does in The Climb cinematic and then imagine this is Qiyana's power level with four axioms AND straight up melee combat? She could probably wreck an entire continent by herself (unbiased Qiyana otp opinion please release more lore Riot)

Perfect Timing

Me going into this video: "I wonder where they'll put Renata, I'll stay for that at least." Me, a minute into the video: "Well, that was a fun watch. Next!"

editing in the Karthus scream after that quote about him, is just the most comedic timing this I've ever seen, holy shit, well done sir xD

Veigar is like the spot from across the spider-verse. Everybody thinks he's a joke but then he becomes extremely powerful.

Riven has no enemies.

I can't believe Death is canonically a dim goon

"Would you go on some grand quest to fight Volibear?" Nilah in LoR: "Ye"

I think there’s a lot of villains that, if you fight them, are just 100% doing their own thing and are completely irrelevant to the story outside of “being a threat in this area” and I think that, as “Roaming boss” should have gone into it’s own category. Mundo is not a dim goon, because you can’t really control him, is he dim? Absolutely, but not a goon, in fact, he probably would’ve fit Convergence’s use of Warwick a lot better as the “random monster patrolling the streets of zaun and attempting to abduct this teenager” Similarly, Fiddlesticks has absolutely no organisation nor any plans, it is completely solo, and while it is absolutely the **Final boss** of all Roaming bosses, you couldn’t write a whole game about it.

Id just like to point out that halfway through the list you switched up the way you graded characters and we ended up with placing Renata in a world threat while characters like azir and Zoe got stuck in major threat.... Also i think based purely on the fact that qiyana has mastered 3 elements and is essentially the strongest mage in the entirety of Ixtal should place her above a goon- she has way more resources , power and followers than half of the champs in ''Obstacles'' - heck i even think that if she finally became empress and declared war on Piltover she would get a real solid chance of winning.

can't wait to add "dim goon until proven innocent" to my soundboard

Kled having the same role in some League related game or story as Kuze in Yakuza 0 would be amazing and hillarious. I WANT THAT

Urgot is the perfect boss that you have to be damaging a weak point in particular at a time to fully defeat it, having to damage each of his 6 legs to make him fully vulnerable

I’m gonna say that Jinx is the ultimate Obstacle. If she shows up, things are about to go bad for everybody. If the heroes are fighting a villain and she koolaid-man’s in to pick a fight with one side or the other, the scene ultimately ends with “Jinx please stop helping”. For example if the Heroes are fighting in a Ranatta factory and Jinx shows up because “no one but me gets to stick it to the pilties”, then everything just gets worse as she blows up the building and ultimately sets back both heroes and villains. She’s a jinx, lol. An obstacle to herself even. Oddly enough, this applies in any region. Toss a Hawaiian shirt and Fanny pack on her (/j) and she can do it anywhere. “I heard these shurimans used to keep slaves, let’s take em down a notch!” - “Jinx stop helping!” “These void monsters are ruining all my fun, time to drop sone buildings on em!” - “Jinx stop helping!” She’s the very definition of a menace. Lol.

Shoutout to the editor sneaking in JoJo references in the videos.

i wasnt expecting to see an Xavier reference in a video like this but its a welcome surprise

The way i see Unbound Thresh is that his entirely human form is to get close to his victims, the unbound form is the one he uses to manipulate and coerce his victims but you still have THE final form he uses for really worthy enemies. Like a multiphase final boss.