Dubbed. Ew.

A2: I missed the part where that’s my problem…

@@What-wm2fu “you should’ve thought of that earlier”

Good luck Chump

Xnerdz honestly it actually reminds me of a Transformer in situation very similar. He lost his lover and couldn’t deal with the pain and wanted to forget (he had machine that erased memories) He was told by his friend not to because not only does his lover deserve to be remembered but revealed it was not the first time it had happened to him. He had multiple lovers who each tragically died and each time he couldn’t deal with the pain, so he chose to erase his own memories, leading him to be doomed to repeat the same mistakes! His friend told he that he shouldn’t forget, that his pain will change, it won’t go but it’ll eventually turn into something else. Something he could live with. And his friend knew . He should know because unlike him, he chose to remember. IDW Transformers More then meets the eye-lost light (brilliant series)

Yeah, remembering and learning from mistakes is part of growing. Forgetting is basically emotional _procrastination._ I wish Nier expended a bit more on Pascal's fate afterwards, but I understand how difficult it must be to offer so many choices to the player in the first place, and then having to program all the consequences. They already made A LOT on that front... But yeah, when done correctly, deep moral dilemmas ads a lot to games or movies. Even if it's not the centerpiece of the story.

Xnerdz I think the point of not showing Pascal’s faith is perfect because of how it could now go in any direction! Him dying of memory erasure has predictable results. But him living with his memories has infinite possibilities. For better or worse. Us not witnessing the result adds to the mystery of his final choice. But at least whatever he decides will be his choice. Not ours. And that’s brilliant It makes him more human

You're right, it leaves place to the imagination of the viewer.

Xnerdz definitely

Morally, yes. But gameplay-wise, deleting his memories is the best choice. Because you'll be able to purchase a weapon from him which in turn leads you to one of the endings later on

Especially since they clearly didn't go and see as 9S how Pascal probably killed himself with this choice and they got off with confirmation bias about it being right.

From A2 standpoint it's either kill him so he doesn't suffer A2's fate or let him suffer the same fate as herself and walk away. Don't know which one would she choose though. Wiping memories isn't what A2 would do, I think?

Great point!

What do you mean by repeating the same mistakes? I dont know if I should be talking about this, but... Im not really sure about "let him learn to become stronger emotionally. Thats how humans grow." Because the children and everyone in the village was everything for him. If someone took that away, theres a high chance something bad will happen to him. Be it suicide or vengeful personality full of hatred. Because we humans are like that. Unless theres someone that can be a psychological support for him, or something that can give him a new reason to live without losing sense of who he was (without a sense of hatred). Well, 9S is also a good example. Hes driven by hatred bcus of the death of 2B. I studied psychology, and human philosophy is one of the subject. I dont know, but I personally think.. sometimes, in a very specific case, maybe it would be better to wipe out some parts of traumatic memories. If it can bring the person to a better life in the future. Its just that we dont have any means to do so.. Humans memories are not like a data, it cannot be erased at will, whenever we want

@@fahriza88 I get where u're coming from, way i see it Pascal will most likely have 45% chance to commit suicide, 45% chance to go insane (via Logic virus), and 10% chance to be a better and stronger machine. The reason why i said that letting him learn how to be stronger emotionally is he's not the only remaining good machine in that world, there are still a bunch of good machines that have cut ties with the network and that they can be Pascal's new motivation or reason to move forward and be stronger instead of falling into depravity. The machine guy who's an acquaintance of Pascal living at the Forest near the entrance of the Canyon can become his emotional support. In one of the route where Pascal's memories got wiped, he's been selling parts and cores of the machine kids in his shop at the Machine Village. Would u call that a good end for him? Of course not, if he learned that those machine parts were once he cherished the most he'll be depressed again and ask the player to wipe his memories again. That's what i mean about "Repeating the same mistake"...We humans learn from mistakes and grow more than before...Machines don't, not as long as they don't learn the meaning of "Loss" and "Grief"

@@fahriza88 Not only the good machines are the only ones that can be his psychological support, Anemone, 9S, 2B, the Resistance members who like good machines are all there for him... Androids also knew the meaning of Loss and Grief since they've been fighting an endless war for far too long, they've lost a lot of friends in battle but they still managed to move forward without losing themselves...They've even lost the Bunker and 95-97% of YoRHa androids have been exterminated, and yet they still managed to pull themselves back up. Killing urself is never the answer to all ur problems, and wiping the memories won't bring back those that've been lost either.

@@Moa_Smug mmm you have a good point tho. I guess theres no absolute right or wrong answer to this. It really depends on how we see things. Pascal sells the children machine's cores simply bcus he has no idea about what it is. You can tell about who he was, and what is the stuff that he sells. But if that happens, I think, most likely he will only think that its not a good thing to do, if his conscience and heart is still the same as it was before. And he wont be depressed again. Because his memories with the children machines already gone. Grief (which can turn into depression) most likely only happens if you keep remembering the good memories that you had with the people that you've lost. For this case, Im only concerned about Pascal's well being in the future. For this purpose, deleting his memories has higher chance. If forgetting that event can bring him to a better life, then I'll erase his memories. Sadly, in this case, the memory cannot be deleted partially, but must be deleted as a whole. Its also bcus the options are limited, tho. Maybe you have a good intention, but by leaving Pascal, A2 didnt even say anything. Then most likely he will feel that A2 just doesnt care about him and abandoned him, at that time. By the way, this is a very specific case. Im not saying that forgetting stuff is always a good thing. But I feel like its a better option for Pascal. Some things that I considered, is the fact that Pascal also had intense guilty feeling. Bcus the children commit suicide bcus he taught them about fear. This is not a simple case of grief. Theres another game with similar case like this. Final Fantasy Type 0. Another Square Enix game, lol. In that game, its even worse bcus the characters live in the world where memories of deceased people automatically erased, so they wont feel grief at all. Later in the story, some characters started to dislike this "system", bcus of some reasons. And Im agree with them. But I guess we'll only talk about that if you want. Its a different case from Pascal, in my opinion

He kills himself if you do this. It isn't exactly shown clearly but it is hinted at.

@@anastasiao4036 how is it hinted at? I assume he would if you left him on his own but does the game provide those hints?

@@desihayward2510 did u try use 9s to go to village after this (btw I didn't do yet but when i choose to kill pascal In 9s monitor I found she go back to village with no memory)

@@lilly3161 I’ve only erased his memories so when I went back to the village Pascal was still there

@@desihayward2510 If you leave him, his bio gets updated and says that he was never seen again after that day, kinda suggesting that he killed himself

omg same this game is nuts

is he though

wtf :O

Dude i didn't have the balls to step up both not the village nor the factory I couldn't live with seeing what woudl turn of him when i took his memories out

those children got me a nice 50’000 though

Pascal’s storyline is so heartbreaking

no it isn't, he's shown stepping forward and looking up at the destruction

@@Zer0Fighter21 No, that's IF you choose to erase his memory.

@张春花 It'd be in the ending cutscene after the fight against 9S/A2. Again, that's IF you erase his memory.

He kills himself with this choice, so all that is meaningless.

@@anastasiao4036 I'm pretty sure he doesn't, check the ending again

@@Zer0Fighter21 It's literally implied that he kills himself if you make this choice because once you do this, his bio in the game will be updated to say that nobody has seen him again after that point.

Hurt sometimes leads to anger which leads to hatred which leads to vengeance. Not killing him is not always best answer even though he killed himself.

Walking away is a good answer, he needs to process this on his own he made these decisions, as I said on his own. Live or die. “Become as gods” 🤖

i think that if you leave him alone he commits suicide, so it's better to wipe out his memories

@@pudimy That is true. The people here saying this is the "better option" don't realize everyone Pascal loves is dead and gone, he is the only one left. Not everyone can just move on when you have no one left and see everyone around you die horribly.

Be an ass and leave

Laugh at -Kenji- Pascal

Or we can be Joker and steal -Futaba's- Pascal's heart?

lmaoo

whales strand themselves

Well, all I can say is fuck you for not putting a spoiler alert at the 9S part

They don't know to face the consequences, that's why they killed themselves.

Thanks for not putting a spoiler warning you son of bitch

9s never commited suicide tho...

The third can also be seen as escapism.

He has to take responsibility, asking A2 to kill him is just a way of shrugging the responsibility off to her.

Well he kills himself if you do this so it isn't the best choice.

Pascal had clearly broken through some boundaries.

Pascal is sentient and is not part of the main system. It is different from the ones in the system who can barely talk. He doesn't repeat after he forgets. He only starts selling parts once he forgets.

What option did you choose? I think destroying him is more humane than deleting memories.

@@misternoobie To be honest i had to pause and have a smoke to think over it... but in the end i decided to take his life. Deleting his memory wouldn't be Pascal himself anymore and one of the notes hinted that machines tend to repeat their same mistakes (it was something about them trying out different types of government like tyranny, democry etc), a human being wouldn't walk the same path necessarily when removing the memory of that incident, but for Pascal he can only learn from that if he remembers it and as he stated more then enough he can't endure that. The last thing i want to see is Pascal going insane as well. Just walking away would be the most cruelsome way. Edit: Believe me ... i had to take lots of deep breaths before and after it with teary eyes.

So right you are about the consequences ;) (Hint: visit the area under the bridge after this choice ;) ).

Yes, I owed Pascal too much to not to erase his memory. I really did not want to do that, but I could not not do it either.

sometimes the right choice hurts the most. the curse of humanity is that you must live with your memories. Pascal deserves better than to live in blissful ignorance. Pascal will never grow stronger as a conscious being with erased memories or being killed.

obj-g reminds me of a Transformer in situation very similar. He lost his lover and couldn’t deal with the pain a wanted to forget. He was told by his friend not to because not only does his lover deserve to be remembered but revealed was not the first time it had happened before. He had multiple lovers who each tragically died and each time he couldn’t deal with the pain, he chose to erase his memories, leading it all to happen again! His friend told he that he shouldn’t forget, that his pain will change, it won’t go but it’ll eventually turn into something else. Something he could live with. And his friend knew should know because unlike him, he chose to remember. IDW Transformers More then meets the eye-lost light (brilliant series)

Plus, he doesn't say "how could you..." he says "i'll resent you" (till death) meaning he felt the ultimate betrayal from her and will have a grudge against her...so...

No option is "right" here. It's basically pick your poison. Erase his memories where he would start over completely ignorant of what happened and even sell parts of the children Kill him which doesn't need much explanation, killing a person you care about is hard even if they beg you to do it Or leave him with all of this tragedy left in his mind and him even hating you for doing that. Which one is most "humane" is subjective and just cause someone considers one more "humane" than the others doesn't mean they don't understand the others, they just have a different perspective. Yoko Taro didn't intend for you to pick "the most humane" option.

I think so. However, I did not see Pascal ever again after this decision.

if you play as 9s and her memory is wiped you see her

king of everthing jjok Are you sure? I'm pretty sure that was just one of the kids during a side quest.

In Japanese version Pascal said, "A2....I hate you.... "

@@unsx2 ooh? Whoa o.O

Yea. The most human yet the hardest situation for Pascal.

No. The most human would be the memory delete. This is actually worse than death.

@@Bakuplayer13 Yes. FAR more human. Living with such painful memories is far worst than losing the growth you experienced as a person. Is it really worth it to continue on with the memory of everyone you love being dead and the fact that you feel responsible for it? Either killing him or deleting his memories are a far better fate than let him live in agony for eternity.

@@hououinkyouma3864 This is actually the most inhuman. It is established in the game that machines are doomed to repeat the same mistakes they make. If you erase Pascal's memory, he will not have learned and this tragedy will happen all over again. If you give him the chance to learn finally, it's far better than finding him selling children's parts. If you really think heartbreak is that nad then death would be more humane than dooming Pascal and his village all over again

Hououin Kyouma Dude, those “memories” is what made these tin cans human. Once you take away their memories, they’re nothing but scrap metal. In this game, memories, black boxes...they’re like souls. That’s why B2 was crying when she thought she lost 9S’s memories.

Pascal never strives to become a human being tho. He just wanted the best for his village, so he pretty much lost his whole "raison d'être". In this situation there's no "right" choice

He kills himself if you do this, you know.

I mean, look at what just happened to 9s and it even wasn’t that bad compared to what happenes to Pascal

You have a point.

Those who experience pain and survive it come out of it stronger. That being said, if he really wanted to die... Well, in a post-apocalyptic setting, suicide's _really_ easy.

@@DarkAdonisVyers He never wanted to become stronger. He never said that. You're all assuming he did. All he wanted was his peaceful life in his village, and he lost all that and everyone in it right before his eyes. You just leave him to commute suicide with this.

@@anastasiao4036 Then survive and build a better town. I just watched that episode of Jouran where Sawa tries to commit suicide. Jin tells her that if she did so, it would make the lives of everyone who she saved, who she killed, who protected her, all meaningless.

She wouldnt kill 2B if thats the case...

@ThePookaPrince Obviously not, I was speaking more generally... You never know what terror and pain lies around the corner...

@@Voeris1 but what happened to Pascal is the unthinkable, not just “part of life” regardless...

The same for me

If you wipe his memories, he will go on without knowing how he felt about the villagers, no memories of all the friends he had, and he will have no prior knowledge to prevent something like this happening in the future. I let him live with his memories because I thought he could still help himself and a lot of other robots like him. It's cruel, but not as cruel as deleting someone from existence.

The thing is, wiping his memories is more or less the equivalent of helping him commit suicide, because all the things that make Pascal who he is are in his memories. Without those, he might as well be someone else. It's a person's memories who shape who they are. To put it another way, imagine if something this traumatic happened you or someone you loved in real life. Would you want to have your memories wiped, knowing you'd forget everyone you loved, both living and dead? Would you wipe the memories of a person you loved, knowing they'd forget everything about you and everyone else in their lives and that they'd see you as a stranger?

@@DolusVulpes yes. I'd choose to forget or make them forget if it was their choice. Sometimes someone staying alive is worse than death, because they can cause harm to those around them. A lot of harm and I've experience it firsthand. You can't be altruistic in life because life is fair for everyone by being unfair equally. Also i don't remember if Pascal has consciousness or is just a machine behaving in a certain way then, there is no choice because Pascal never was. At the end of the day we're responsible for our own happiness. You die every second because you become another person every second. You're nothing like your childlike self. The atoms of your body are different, your brain changes constantly reconstruction. Every second that passes, every second your knowledge changes you change. You can call it not death if you like. Your body is made of atoms that have no life, your body is made of different kind of tissue and bacteria and microorganisms that without them you'd die in seconds. And they all change. Death isn't as easy to pin point. Humans created the idea that we are alive. But we're made of rocks and trees and rivers and earth. The whole things is a definition made by humans to elevate ourselves from the world around us.

@@Elzzaw doesn't really matter if it's just a game, what matters is if it made you a better person. But defining what is a "good behaviour" is not as easy either. It depends from who's perceptive you see things. I can call you a horrible person for not helping Pascal, or a good person because in the long run he will help others. Doesn't really matter because in the end the sun will go into supernova. But, you will never know what possibilities pascal might have had if he start anew this time. My initial comment is kind of stupid, as this one will be in the future too i suppose. I was probably emotional from the game and said what i said.

@@imadeyoureadthis1 At that point you might as well kill him, because he'd just be another mindless robot who would end up killing another village. They are doomed to repeat their mistakes, this is their own words. Deleting everything that Pascal has learned is dooming him to do the exact same thing again. I helped Pascal by giving him a chance to deal with what he just caused, instead of instantly snuffing him out of existence. I didn't know I wouldn't get a chance to see or interact with him again though, that made my decision feel really difficult, but I still say that he would be better off alive and with his own memories. Who can say what someone who has survived something so traumatizing would wish for in the years to come?

Thanks. I will change it to his.

misternoobie Thank you! I appreciate it.

Tbh I can't see Pascal as male no matter how much this game wants me to.

@@mochaexpress5419 yeah, same. It's a female.

@@jessedobson1009 nah I saw him as a "boy", but never female...

He didn't. He killed himself.

If you go back as 9S I believe you can see that he killed himself afterwards.

I visited the village as 9S since the transporter wasn't online there before playing A2. For me it was just an empty village with machine corpses, I didn't see Pascal.

@@Leo1964 Yeah it was really weird, I did the same thing. The recluse was indicated as "interactable with" (or maybe it was the door?) but I actually couldn't.

@@Leo1964 yep and when 9s showed up he was shocked all the captions say is "....."

That's not my take away from that quote at all. Running from your choices isn't "taking" your future. It's trying to reject it.

The most humane thing to do is to let him live through it wym? Us humans cannot wipe our memories we either live with our deaths and mistakes or commit suicide if we arent strong enough.

After realizing this was a choice immediatly went to repeat chapter and see it for myself (as NOBODY had commented on this), and it seems that Pascal locks himself in the house where the hack lock in the door is (the one you open on the locked children quest on Pascal's village). If you finish this chapter after selecting in chapter select you start playing as 9S. I transported to Pascal's village and when start moving you can hear Pascal moaning slightly, and you can find the Pascal's book (the one he was reading about Nietzsche) near his house. That's all i've found, if someone has another info it will be appreciated.

The decision doesn't affect the en of the game from what I understand

source / link ?

Wow. that's deep. thanks for the reference.

misternoobie you’re welcome, I fully recommend it, it only gets better

I was not able to find him actually. If I deleted his memory, he will be selling parts.

You can't since he kills himself.

@@anastasiao4036 source / link ?

From what i know, he won't appear in the village if you leave him alone. He will only appear if you delete his memories.

below the bridge that leads to the Forest? that place?

Is this true? I know it was a while ago. But does he end up being successful, or does he end up injured like the others?

@pulpnonfiction Nah he wasn't there, i checked yesterday i searched the entire canyon but he's nowhere to be found

@pulpnonfiction I didn't find his body, like i said i searched the entire canyon but he's not in there

The Phoenix Sword? I think i got it via 9S by hacking into some treasure chest after I landed in the city ruins rooftop at the beginning.

Well, the moment before this has a literal army of murderous machines aiming at these children, and nothing save a closed metal door and a lone android is standing between them and death (or worse) I can't imagine any other negative emotion fitting this scenario

It's implied that he just ran away from everything, but mechanically, the game will treat this as if he's dead, because his machine core will always spawn in the robot village

@@chrysshawkey3158 Yeah. He committed suicide. That's his "running away".

@@anastasiao4036 source / link please ?

Pascal isn't on the main system so he does not repeat what he does not remember. He is actually sentient. When you erase his memory, Pascal mearly starts selling parts. If you do this, it is confirmed he commits suicide.

In a novel that happens chronologically after the game, it’s said that pascal made some kind of resistance against “bad” machines

@@alejandrobg4393 what novel is that. Is this game based on a novel?

@@alejandrobg4393 I wanna know too. Long Story Short?!

@@alejandrobg4393 That is false. He actually kills himself.

Well leaving him results in him disappearing and likely commiting suicide, killing him well kills him, and wiping the memory turns him into a shop that sells you the children's cores. You feel like shit no matter what.

@@iaxacs3801 " leaving him results in him disappearing and likely commiting suicide" : source / link please

@@guillaumeguitarian9642 The disappearing bit is actually canon you don't ever see Pascal again if he retains his memory. The suicide bit is fan theory after he disappears we hear of nothing from him except that we know that he really really didn't want to live anymore as he was.

@@iaxacs3801 What pascal wanted was a short solution while suffering. I think more positive, that with time as he has already passed from fight to peace, he could finally accept the reality and become stronger, rebuilt a new village with new converted robots or go to resistance base and live with androids. Official fan's theory is so dark !!! I know that if we erase Pascal memories he'll became a junk dealer that sells the children parts so as far as i'm concerned it's the same if we'had kill him. Leaving him alive with his memories has much more futur possibilities !

@@guillaumeguitarian9642 I never said it's the main theory it's a theory. It's just the one I subscribe to, yours is just as likely. That's the magic of leaving the ending to a character open like this.

He commits suicide when you do this. So feel worse now.