Man, you missed the opportunity to say good boy points.

man do you know in the game when doing this act gives you a achievement. this is what i heard from other people who play the game if i am not correct please say

Extra Credits can you guys talk about horizon zero dawn

All through the video I felt the love you put into your work, and how big games are in your heart. I feel your motto "because games matter". Thank you.

Oh Crap! I bought this game like half month ago and haven't even open it. I heard "Spoiler" and now I am closing the video. Will see it later once I play the game. The problem is that now I know that Nier:A is a sequel of other 3 games. Now I need to play those games before so I will probably play N:A on a year XD

Exactly what Mr. Clemps says these games evoke from players.

At least make those emotion feel good man. This was depressing... Anyway, great game.

Said the man that throws the Square Enix headquarters building at the player in one of his games/crossovers

*Brilliant!*

and this is why I love Kingdom Hearts but I'm still mad about KH3..

You got someone else's save data from nier automata?

My message goes like: its hard, i needed help too but what if we got further.

yo i think you should try a text message or an e-mail.

@@googol1664 i think there is some filter to prevent 18+ content in the game. Not sure, but there should be one.

sjonnie playfull pre made messages*

Games encourages selfishness... cause we allways expect something from helping others. True Heroes are the ones you see leaping to save someone without any hesitation. he didn't stop to think how much EXP and GOLD he was gonna get from it... he did cause that is what Heroes do.

@@hitmanwolf That, good people don't seek reward for something that they have done. You probably won't even hear about them at all unless the people they helped wanted to share their act of kindness. As opposed to doing something good and then posting it on social media to show the world how good you are, and in effect making it more about what you got out of it rather than the act of kindness itself.

@@hitmanwolf Alright deku

@@christophersimms9128 lol..Stain complex.

When I encountered that I actually got her to thank me if I'm remembering correctly well I do like those elf girls XD

How many people did you get killed?

@@scienceforthesciencegod8212 they made their choice. They chose to help. God bless them.

@@scienceforthesciencegod8212 He didn't, they choose to help all by themselves. They were gone long before krai started the game :)

Wow, that's pretty awesome :D

The power of a masterpiece game!

The credit scene was fantastic. Will never forget this game, I´s my GOTY 2017

Lzy Nerd: That’s amazing. I had nearly this exact same experience, including having more to do. This decision was so much easier to make in... a different Yoko Taro game >.> ... because you could just say no and redo the boss battle after making a backup save file. You’d feel like shit, but nothing was really lost. It seems Taro set up the final fight this way because he’d heard about our tricks and found a way to up the stakes. Good on him. It’s almost disappointing that there’s still a way around it.

I am crying when reading your story

I'm not sure what ending he is talking about, didn't need any help in my playthrou IIRC. Which figth is it?What chapter?

I said no because I would give up my save when I was done doing everything I would try to do in the game first. Since you can theoretically give up that save whenever you want, just have to choose the last chapter in the chapter select and do the boss again.

It MUST be possible because who should help the first person fighting the bossfight?

Probably the developers themselves. They likely put their gamertags in there to save the first wave of players.

It was devs and game testers.

But that's not how Nier Automata be played though

Touhou fans be like

I just got the game, and I'm planning on doing the same. So good, and I never thought a video game would make me feel the way that game does

Planning the same.

planning on doing the same

Well, if you accepted the help on the second playthrough of the finale, you basically stole an extra save file to donate your own, so essentially you haven't helped anybody. How "good" do you feel now?? 😂

@@DavidFerneau that's why i still haven't finished the ending credits

We need a "clip" function on KZfaq

You want to use the video about kindness and giving as a comeback in an argument?

@@cluelessmastermind7091 No people on social media claim to be good when it was hardly an inconvenience for them if it was at all. It was for themselves to show the world how good they are. Actual good people don't post the good things they do online, other people do it for them. Or it is never mentioned at all and the only reminder that you did a good deed is the good feeling you have and the person you helped remembering you for it.

A gif could work. But I don't have the talent to make a good one.

@@michaelmorales1602 Aged like fine wine

We're super happy that we got to do this collab!

word. YEARS.

Extra Credits Are you thinking about a collab with matpat? Thank you for this episode by the way!

Sean Urbik MatPat does theories, not really alike to Extra Credits. MatPat's pretty busy too.

same

That is so damn cool. :) I wish I remembered their names, but there were too many bullets flying around to really commit any of them to memory. ; _;

I wish I could have done the same

I wish i could do that too. Didn't think of that possibility

Bless you!

How’d you find him/her ?

those friends are bad ones

You're a real one for that.

Exactly, it wasnt for you, it was for her,

L'Homme Éveillé is there any truly altruistic action? No, but that kind of thing does get close I think

This is a story of an actual sacrifice, not a "I've completed the game, do I want my name to be in other people's games for a save file I might never use again". You fucked your run for someone halfway through your game, not after you'd just finished it. That's actual sacrifice.

I was about to say like I would never do anything with the save file of a completed game. It is virtually worthless to me as the journey to getting to finish the game was the enjoyment and my memories of it. Giving the safe game up so that someone else can also have an easier time at the end boss? Sure why the heck not.

well no, some of them are just idiots trying to get you killed

Reset a bunch of times around a treasure chest, then leave a "Mimic, don't go here" there.

Are you really helping someone or is the game tricking you into thinking you are. Because, how can anyone help you if it requires them to beat the final boss, which requires help to beat? Think about it, how did the first player to beat the final boss, do so when it cannot be done without the help of those that beat it, of which there were none?

@Michael MAnville They were helped by the developers and playtesters, of which there are many but still a finite amount.

@@Michael-fd1gx I was going to say. It was the developers that designed the game. They circumvented it by design for others to be able to have the experience. @John Morelock I applaud your admiral attempts at cognitive equilibrium. Never easy, always worth it.

That was me as well besides the smoking part

U spoke my mind

gr8 b8 m8.

When a boss annoyed you. When it infuriated you. You then, now having risen above it seek to return the favour. I will still remember one sunbros desperate act, as my character fell (the host), he didn't give up and ran in and finished the last hit. Winning the fight. To you sunbro, I salute and I made sure to help 10 more before I proceeded onwards and see them win or at least make it that much easier for them. While it may not be a great sacrifice, it is a sacrifice of our time we could spend elsewhere. It isn't much, but not much can be all the world to others. Remembering that while this video does talk of sacrifice being something meaningful, always remember that even those sacrifices you make that have little impact on you, may be the biggest moment of someone elses life or playthrough.

The host is the reason why your there, if the host dies you gone anyway

☀️PRAISE☀️

I mean, yah..You do your sworn duty. Any sunbro who wouldn't die for the host should turn in their sun badge.

U562 Uh, bug testers, quality control checkers, employees of Square Enix???

Him or her: All that hardness, it's impossible to do this unless you're a master like me! That's too hard. I have to do this. I have to give up my save file, so others weaker than me can see this.

@@anonymousanonymous9587 they must have been some of ultra Instinct level of gamer!

Franklin Isalguez Agreed

um It's a regular jRPG with Platinum combat and the occasional funky mechanic... Hardly revolutionary in any way.

While that may be true, it doesn't make it any less cool for what it did do

Extravagant Sobriquet no, it’s actually incredibly revolutionary if you actually play it. I’m guessing you haven’t, seeing as there’s no way you can play it as NOT see how it’s at least slightly revolutionary

reminded me of another channel. "MAN ON THE INTERNET AWAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY" go check em out they're doing a chrono trigger musical (and they did an undertale musical to great effect)

Same here. Watching it grow and develop was fun. :3

WHOO! Platinum! I was thinking... why would anyone ever finish it before doing everything? lol Congrats. My best is Skyrim I think, I can only imagine...

Poki#3 I did the same thing. I couldn't go through with it the first time I encountered the credits. There was still so much I wanted to do so I went back to chapter select, did all the side quests, found the info caches, finished the DLC, and earned my platinum. Then I went back when I was ready to "die" to finish the credits and give myself up.

You may not realise this yet, but without this game, your life is incomplete. Play it.

Kevin White just bought it yesterday... the first hour is already amazing...

The game really is worth every cent. It's just mindblowing in terms of storytelling, scenery, animation and gameplay.

I plan on getting the game this summer. Honestly. . . . maybe I'm too selfish. . . I want to say that without hesitation I'll help someone. . . But I don't know. . . Maybe once I actually get through the game I can.

It's really disappointing that you pirated this game.

@Yukari is fine... after that ending, i went and brought it out of shame. Full-Price btw.

Thats cool. In that case your pirating is fine with me.

same...i just thought it was really hard as an anti piracy measure, but then i read about the fight is supposed to go. that alone made me go buy it.

Bravo.

i baught it and for the later half of the game i had 100 plus cash it was pretty easy

I highly recommend it. Currently it is my favorite game that I've played. It's not for everyone, and it does have its flaws, but it's a game everyone has to at least try.

Play this game he's freakin awesome. Probably became my favorite game of all time, but for very personal reasons that you may end up not understand or just not being impressed with. So do not hype yourself too much about it to avoid any dissapointment (maybe it won't fit your definition of a good game, who knows), but at least get to try it and see by yourself

It made me cry 9 fucking times. NINE!

I cried when I played the game and still cried watching this and Wisecrack's video almost a year later 😭 it's too beautiful to miss

I don't think it's odd at all, I absolutely get the same feeling.

I loved it, both the words of encouragement from other players and how the song gets a choir behind it really made a single player game feel communal. Also if you haven't yet go check out the lyrics to "Weight of the World," they encapsulate 2B's character and story so well

Oh i know Weight of the World though i can't listen to it without crying.

ihappy1 each of the weigh of the world represent the character The english was 2B, the japanese was 9S, and the chaos was A2

"A fool rushes to die for a cause, a wise man chooses to live quietly for one."

You're equating "goodness" with usefulness. If I tortured and murdered a thousand people to develop research that leads to curing one million, that's useful. It's also reprehensible. Developing a better agricultural method isn't a "good" act, it's merely a useful one. Sacrificing your food to keep someone else fed is a good act. The game isn't making a judgment on the impact your act will have, just that your sacrifice will help someone else. Sacrifice IS important. If you've never had to give of yourself, your actions don't show your character. It's why people who have never had to suffer often show very different faces, often terrible ones, in times of crisis. How a person acts when they have something to lose is the only real test of character.

I agree with AuspexAO. Goodness is a quality of character, not simply a quantitative measurement of productivity. In Isicera Dew's example about kidneys, I would definitely consider the one who gave up their own more 'good' than the scientist, simply because it shows the degree to which the person is willing to put others before themselves. The scientist is only willing to devote their time, whereas the person will give up their very organs to help another. That's why it can be a character flaw to be too selfless, or 'good'. If someone is selfless to the point of having a desire to throw their livelihood away over a relatively trivial matter, their need to be 'good' will cloud their judgement, and they'll miss options that would result in better outcomes for everyone involved. (Attack on Titan has a really good example of this, but I don't want to be that spoiler guy in the comments) Of course, you could then argue that 'goodness' has a maximum, and going past the point of 'maximum goodness' would reduce your ability to be 'good.' However, the point stands that in order to be the most 'good' you can, one must be as selfless as possible up to that maximum. One final thing: There's an interesting take on this that occurs in Judaism. There are three levels of charity: the first being sacrifice where both the recipient and the giver know who the other is, the second being where the giver knows the recipient, but not visa versa, and the last being where neither the giver nor the recipient know each other. The example made of Nier: Automata falls squarely into the third tier. The point being that the higher the tier, the less the giver is doing something for their own gain. At the first tier, the giver is likely doing it to boost their reputation. On the second tier, the giver no longer is doing it for personal gain, but could still be doing it for personal reasons, i.e helping out a friend that they care about personally. On the highest tier, there is no other force acting upon the giver other than empathy, making it the most charitable. This sort of ties into Extra Credit's point about doing something for the extra content or the EXP/Item reward, rather than out of being a good person.

AuspexAO How is developing something to better the lives of others NOT a good act?

AuspexAO So basically usefulness is how much something can benefit other people and goodness is just how much you think you are doing. That kind of logic only makes it so people won’t do something that can potentially help a lot of people simply because they feel like it isn’t much from their perspective. Losing something shouldn’t be so prized as something so amazing, especially if it can be achieved without losing something. All you end up doing is making things stagnant instead of improving. Being good to yourself is a good not many seem to realize exists. Also purposely sacrificing in the name of character just makes a different character, not a better one

I feel like that also applies to the actual story of Nier Automata as well. XD

and the call me mad for having multiple backups for my po.. very important project files.

It's interesting - at first, your androids can back up to the Bunker and be safe. Then, some nodes go down momentarily. Then the Bunker goes down and your lifeline is gone. Then the save files. Meanwhile, the machines are networked at first, but then the network goes down. This has a profound effect on the machines. Then Pascal's village loses their backups. And the Tower, too. In it you can find things that certainly seem like trophies for YOU and YOUR progress. And the Tower's AI tells you it's meaningless. It was all for nothing, and it'll all be erased so the cycle can restart. So really the whole game was preparing you for this moment and trying to get you ready to accept the annihilation of your progress.

There's an attitude toward "what makes a game"? Nier: Automata pretty much plays the "being a game" card straight if you ask me

Perhaps I worded this a little badly. After all, Automata never denies being a game or shies away from it. The final words are proof enough of that. What I meant is the game manages to tie the actions that characters have to perform with those that a player has to perform. Without directly breaking the fourth wall in quests or most of the gameplay, it still draws your attention to the fact that your actions are being mirrored in the game, creating a state of semi self-awareness at times. As well as this, I think it plays nicely into the same sort of genre as works such as Bladerunner, which I personally enjoy as a concept. The progression of black and white good vs. bad which slowly merges over time makes for good stories.

I think I did, Can't go back and check though.

Still lurking streams for my 4 save files...

Why not play it again?

rowtow13 if everyone took that route though and assumed somebody else will pick up the slack, you're then creating the problem, and some other player would eventually indeed lose and not have any backup. Its not even saying one way is better than another, its just asking if when you played the game, did the meaning you found along your journey make you decide the sacrifice is worth it or not? Also when something is deleted purposefully from the ps4 hard drive, I believe it deletes in the could as well.

No, it wouldn't that's rowtow13's point. Even if nobody, _ever_, choose to help the game would send ships with names from the list of pregame names it included when it was released, just like it did for whoever was the first to get that far. Nowadays it might choose a name from the list of people that have already helped once instead. Because of course it does that, several helpers dies each time on the way to each victory, if the help was actually limited it would have run out a long time ago. You do lose something, the memento of your playthrough that your savegame represents, but you doing so only affect the name attached to the help other players receive not whether they receive it or not.

well, every single person who does something does it with the intent of their brain. so even if they dont get recognition from others, everyone will atleast get a little reward from themselves. which is perfectly fine and understandable considering that as long as you know that you did good and well, recognition from others come second or later.

There is a wonderful mind body philosophical experiment you can do that calls into question why you place such an importance on humans/biological creatures (not sure where you stand specifically) as the sole arbiters of consciousness. I encourage you to do reading on the topic and a lot of it is touched on by the "Chinese room thought experiment" that you can use as a jumping off point. But know that it is very nuanced and i'm only touching on a SMALL portion of the implications that thought experiment wants to examine. What the thought experiment forces you to conclude (or at least one of it's solutions) is that a room full of people who speak Chinese, can collectively translate English into Chinese, but you would not say "the room, understands Chinese". in which case when extrapolated to AI, while the individual algorithms and programs that translate one word to another as a input/output machine, the machine itself can never truly understand Chinese. This is a solution alot of people intuitively arrive at, but you are given pause when you realize the same can be said about you and neurons, or your brain activity. So then we explore the other path, that consciousness is an emergent property of otherwise understood phenomenon, and that we do indeed say "the room understands Chinese". Which means you must accept that, a robot who can, by all intents and purposes, emulate human emotion to a near perfect or indistinguishable degree, will then be merited ALL of the same affordances we give our fellow man. We are forced to acknowledge that even if we PROGRAM or hard code (or much more likely use a neural network to teach it) each input/output, if it is indistinguishable from a human response, then it becomes or gains this nebulous notion of consciousness. I Cannot stress enough that I am a layman delving into topics well above my pay grade. I encourage you to read the literature directly or at least from someone more qualified then me. But it is a fascinating starting off point if you're interested in the topic.

Why do you empathises players, but not NPCs? Probably because they are basically immortal and can't suffer enough. They have no future for smiles and their tears are nothing. But hey, in the VNs you can feel empathy to the characters, even in GTA I you will feel RAGE for the Diver from the VC1. Probably live emotions is the key?

Thanks for all the input so far, soon after I posted my comment I started thinking back to NPCs or characters that have made me empathize for them, there are quite a few actually, so far I've seen that having either a strong bond or a relatable scene really helps which comes as quite obvious to be honest, but even then, why do I feel empathy for a select few while the vast majority I don't really care that much? I'm gonna reflect on this more, I'll post my thoughts then.

Depends: do you empathize with movie and book characters? If you do, then you will eventually encounter a video game character you can empathize with. The difference is mainly in how hard video game writing is, and the fact that most video game characters are not that well written. If you don't empathize with movie or book characters, then you will likely never empathize with a video game character. Your brain just doesn't work that way.

I feel like the answer is: No, not without installing malware onto your computer. I feel Undertale got close to it, giving people characters they loved and the idea that if they went too far, they might never see those people again. The problem being basically....you can still find the save data, even if it's hidden on your computer. You can delete everything that makes the game know of the bad things you've done. There's still a reset button even when the game tells you there really isn't. The idea that the game can 'rob' you of your happy ending goes away when you find out you can get around it. So, basically...without a game that went into malicious territories, it's be difficult to impossible to make a truly empathetic NPC. Because if you really feel bad about your decision you can always reset and start over, no matter what the game tells you.

Well the moment they are talking about is completly gameplay...there is no story(related to the game story), or do you consider credits story? There is some narrative happening but is your own and other player's. I thought the spoiler warning was well placed, and that they didn't reveal anything about the story really.

Yeah absolutely, I was wondering which "last boss" he was talking about. I had played the first ending. But it was not, so now I know basically how the story will be when I get to the true final boss. Which was not what I wanted. Hopefully I'll have forgotten this when I get to that ending. (It will take me a while)

They said they would spoil a mechanic and then talkes about a mechanic. How is that misleading?

Sean Murphy, that's really a sign of solid game design. The mechanics and narrative should be interlinked. I've garnered no information from the story, but it does give me an idea of what NIER is. That's something no other final boss fight description has ever done for me without needing far more context that would spoil the game.

@Swedishpancakes This "boss" has almost nothing to do with the actual story of the game. It's more of a bonus segment.

and quick question, when will the next upload on the Extra Plays channel be?

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

It's also at the end credits. The story has many points-of-no-return where you can't previous quests and content. Restarting from nothing is your only option anyway since you can't go back from the ending tower or choose which campaign to continue from after completing the game.

You could do that but you would only really be cheating yourself.

they can, but playing Nier on PC is enough of a sacrifice in itself that it's kind of a wash.

Android 19 Why is that?

TheHermago Poor optimization, and the keyboard+mouse controls are clunky, making it miserable to play if you don't own a controller.

In nier automata specifically, there are multiple points where you can lock yourself completely out of content by progressing the story before you've completed every quest available. What seems to be "just another story quest" (especially early on in the game) can lock you out of content with no way to ever get back besides starting over. At no point does the game tell you something is a point of no return.

+Brian Talbot That's not entirely true. A chapter select feature is unlocked after the player reaches their third main ending.

At the point this ending becomes available, there’s a lot of stuff you can still do, so you are potentially missing out on a bunch more content.

And route A shares its sidequests with route B. so if you skipped a quest during route A, you can still do it during route B. And yeah, there's a chapter select unlocked after ending C. So no worry. I personally finished 100% of the quests, even if I missed some of them during route A and B.

"Seeing your playstyle made my boner die as well", "Now you're as cold and unmovable as my ex in bed", "This boss is as hard as finding a gf if you are looking like me", "Do you know what's in my pants and as hard as this bossfight right now?" I'll lead myself out....