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Nimble Enough?? New Holland Workmaster 25s vs Deere 1025R & Kubota BX! Turning Radius
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3 жыл бұрынTurning radius matters! Tractor Time with Tim measures the uncut circle diameter of the New Holland subcompact tractor and compares it to the Deere 1025R and Kubota BS.
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@shadlundquist2329 3 жыл бұрын
Three rules. #1 If the head of the finance department wants to call it Holly then it’s Holly. #2 don’t argue with the person who makes your cheese burgers. #3 see rules 1 and 2.
@richardfoglerjr3706 3 жыл бұрын
Only one of the three is made by the company that sells it. Orange makes their own.
@cbrookb 3 жыл бұрын
Tim, if the finance committee says Holly, its Holly. That's how it is. LoL Great videos buddy. Keep them coming. Avid watcher here.
@davidstout5883 3 жыл бұрын
Tight turning is the best. I bought a 277 John Deere lawn mower 20 + years ago because it would turn around and not have to back up. I enjoy your great videos keep them up.
@randyb6496 3 жыл бұрын
Uncut circle is an important spec... as a retired engineer, we measured it just like you did: slow speed, 2wd, reasonably smooth concrete. Can be done solo with the chalk taped to a stick. Great job!
@agentleebs 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly the info I was looking for, thanks for doing this. This should be an industry standard measurement for every tractor sold with a mid mount mower, with every deck size.
@colelambert 3 жыл бұрын
Your turn radius section on the Kubota v Deere was an awesome video for me when deciding what to get. Most of my tractor hours will be for mowing (with a ton of trees). I think these are really good comparisons
@neolightproductions 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you did both directions. Before my 1025r I had some craftsman rider and it had two different sized circles. I don’t remember which side was a tighter turn now but it was significantly different.
@Bob-vb8lc 3 жыл бұрын
That was a fun test. It's interesting that the only thing I don't plan on doing with my 1025R is mowing. Poor Christy always gets the awkward & silly stuff. My best to you both.
@mcarthur692 3 жыл бұрын
I do everything with my 1025. My wife and I still laugh about the reaction she had when I talked to her about buying it. " What do you need a bucket for" now she realizes that I use the bucket more than anything. Still funny after 3 years
@fredf3391 3 жыл бұрын
When I was young working in dealership back in the 90s we would grind off some of the steering stop to get shorter turning radius when customers had issues
@curtwhite876 3 жыл бұрын
Great job, Tim and Christy.
@norton2742 3 жыл бұрын
Turn radius was the first thing I compared between the 1025R and bx, 1025R won by a mile. When I was a kid I mowed the lawn with a 184 cub lo boy, I had to back up about 6 times just go around a tree.
@David-lh1vp 3 жыл бұрын
Little boy Blue! count it as 4 votes.
@benjaminstockton3917 3 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate it Tim and Christy you guys are awesome
@bnewton5922 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison. Didn’t realize John Deere had that much tighter turning radius. Makes a big difference when mowing around trees. Thanks. Stay safe. Bruce from Mason Michigan
@cashxx 3 жыл бұрын
Was one of the first things I noticed when I got mine compared to my old mower. Turning radius is nice on the 1025r.
@harolddenton6031 3 жыл бұрын
Same with John deere 590 series big garden mowers. They have a very tight compact turning radius. I use to own one. Sold it because I gor tired of having to pull up on the blade engagement know when trying to back up while cutting grass. Which is a very annoying safety feature for a person who is careful and has been using riding mowers for 4 decades of my life since I was 9 to 10 years old!
@peterkoster5053 3 жыл бұрын
Uncut circle is for sure a good measurement for mowing because that's when it matters most... I guess a way deere could make theirs better by having a sharper turning radius but also how much the deck sticks out past the rear wheel.
@jeffwoehrle 3 жыл бұрын
Nice demonstration! I see others have mentioned the right front tire...
@kentandrews3474 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the informational video and I think your Metroid of measurement is the most accurate
@roybrochu5409 3 жыл бұрын
Tim what’s the turning radius of the Ventrac?
@photocontrol 3 жыл бұрын
Good comparison of the turning radius!
@waltermattson1730 3 жыл бұрын
Nice test. Good video.
@meadowviewlawncarellc8079 3 жыл бұрын
Good informative test guys!
@PastorDavidFranklin 3 жыл бұрын
Great job Tim and Christy!
@joshuaplacka8480 3 жыл бұрын
Just one other point to make. The JD and Kubota were tested on a grass surface and the NH on concrete. I would assume the friction would be greater on concrete. Which would help it turn tigher. Great video. I just ordered the wheel kit for my broom attachments for the combi stihl. Thanks for the info on that little gem.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
We saw no evidence of slippage on the concrete. ..and no evidence of slippage on the grass. You are correct in that different surfaces could have an impact, but I suspect it would be negligible in this case. We DID see lots of slippage in 4wd on the concrete ... so much so that we abandoned the test.
@michaelsolinsky7527 3 жыл бұрын
Tim can you do the turning radius for the 2038r.
@DragonflyAcres2022 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice video.Thank you sharing
@michaelogilvy4400 3 жыл бұрын
Tim. Love the Video and I remember when you did this with the Kubota and Deere. Would be great to see this test on a 2025r, 2032r and 2038r.
@stephengmeiner3264 3 жыл бұрын
It’s an interesting data set to see how much the brands can differ, but there are many more factors that I’d look at before turning “diameter”. Lift capacity, lift height, simultaneous actions on the loader valves, max travel speed, can the backhoe swing a full 180 degrees? Etc...
@StoneyRidgeFarmer 3 жыл бұрын
Love it Tim....you're getting quite the collection of fun toys!
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Josh! This little guy has already gone back to the dealer. Just a short term test. Unfortunately, we had a pile of snow for most of the time it was here, so not much real work with it! Glad to see Mrs. Stoney Ridge!
@RockhillfarmYT 3 жыл бұрын
I would name the tractor Holly. I think that was an excellent way to demonstrate the turn radius. The deer had the tightest radius, but if the deer had had the biggest radius I would’ve probably said there was a flaw in your testing method😉
@peterkober6758 3 жыл бұрын
Tim Christi thanks the comparison is always good doesn't make a difference what color you own God Bless All PaK
@tinachambers4887 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Tim an Christie thanks for the information have a day love from TEXAS
@farmboy5622 3 жыл бұрын
I think you did a great job Christy!!! I think you need a big pay raise!!!
@bjenkins803 3 жыл бұрын
I went and test drove a tTYM 24hp tractor and they had me turn like this to show how sharp it turned. It was nice but with the loader on it was kinda hard on the grass.
@kingofwake 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this video! I’m a BX owner and admit to give the win to Deere ;)
@terrysurface8663 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job. Interesting info.
@RCPSU4 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing how the New Holland compared to the other two is worth it for those with small orchards. Not sure if Christy does this while mowing, but I try to take advantage of the turning radius as much as possible to cut down on the trimming.
@johnhundt5179 3 жыл бұрын
Hey great video, I have a different question for you, if you could only afford a 14ft dump trailer or 18ft equipment trailer which would you buy? Both have strengths and weakness, could you do a video, if possible thanks
@adamstone5946 3 жыл бұрын
This is where the 4X5, or X7xx AWS, really shine. My 445 is an 8” turning radius.
@ReinQuest 3 жыл бұрын
In reference to you not getting much comments on the other video, if it makes you feel any better I did watch the other one before this one and I was specifically looking for the Deere because I remembered you did it. 😅
@jokinjoe9447 3 жыл бұрын
That was a good survey...
@gmcsd05 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting, good info. I'm curious about that defective loader control valve on that 25S...
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
I will not be able to learn any more about hat. Sorry. Tractor went back last week.
@cody481 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@thomasyerbey337 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Tim 🚜
@stevek4449 3 жыл бұрын
When I saw her holding the chalk, I thought of the logic for cell phones being applied to tractors. like: somewhere out there, there is an implement for that! :P
@pgg0024 3 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly you have gotten a newer 1025r since then. Wonder if the newer models have changed at all. And sometimes I mow in 4x4. I have hills on my property so it helps
@neolightproductions 3 жыл бұрын
I also wish to have a garage big enough for this in the future.
@Rdrake1413 3 жыл бұрын
Being from Texas I'd have to call it "Blue Bell". The newer NH have what they call super steer and have a pretty tight turning radius.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
I think they quit that a few years ago, right?
@theopautsch2311 3 жыл бұрын
I see another way the test could be done to help illustrate a usable turn to measure how large of a circle it takes to turn with the loader on for pushing snow or something like that
@nohand322 3 жыл бұрын
Blue Chalk for North Carolina Tar Hills 👍👍
@blackhawkinternationalsecu6962 3 жыл бұрын
Tim, even when the wife is wrong she is still right. Its Holly.
@earlyriser8998 3 жыл бұрын
Holly
@Clawson_customs 3 жыл бұрын
It's to tough of a machine to have a girl name
@mcarthur692 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@blackhawkinternationalsecu6962 3 жыл бұрын
@@Clawson_customs You never met my bosses ex-wife. LOL
@erikrunas226 3 жыл бұрын
Could you do this test with your new Kubota and Johnny 2? I find these tests fascinating because I have a lot of obstacles to mow around.
@joelemire1913 3 жыл бұрын
Good to know
@winkleoop 3 жыл бұрын
Haven't measured so I'm not positive on the diameter, but our 1025r tends to cut better around the three ornamental trees in our front lawn than our JD 300X. That is after clearing for height (I like low branches)..
@pc5569 3 жыл бұрын
Another good comparison video.
@northernliving2387 3 жыл бұрын
Wow another new tractor Tim? It must be nice..
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
No, this is/was a loaner. It went back to the dealer.
@ritterjon 3 жыл бұрын
💥 Oh boy, you had to bring that up again didn’t you. What kind of three point lever does that work master have? *Keep on tractoring!* 👍
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Good question. Basic up/down just like bx.
@ritterjon 3 жыл бұрын
@@TractorTimewithTim Kubota needs to upgrade that.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Really surprised that they haven’t. Seems such a small thing, yet can swing sales.
@Clawson_customs 3 жыл бұрын
It's name needs to be little blue because it's to tough of a machine to have a girl name like holly
@turk3272 3 жыл бұрын
have you test operated a Mihandra or branson and or other tractors to see how they compare?
@cbrookb 3 жыл бұрын
Mahindra's parts and service gets a 1 star rating from me. They've proven that for me at multiple dealers and multiple parts. I wouldn't buy a paperclip from a Mahindra dealer.
@truckinchihuahuaalvieschre2494 3 жыл бұрын
RF tire looks almost 1/2 flat. That will make your turn wider. I saw this when you were talking about the previous video. Was it up all the way during the test? Also the grass has better traction with those tires then the concrete.
@holbrook134 3 жыл бұрын
I’m sure some people would be very happy with a little blue tractor
@garym1550 3 жыл бұрын
You need to be using the same size mower deck for any of this to mean anything when you measure the way you do. What you should measure is the turning radius or dia. of each tractor you compare. From this you can calculate the uncut dia for any size mower. This then can help one pick the size of mower that they should buy.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
We used 60” deck on all 3
@fmixthings 3 жыл бұрын
Do you remember the sizes of the mower decks? I believe there are a couple options for the 1025R, W25S I believe is 60 inches? Perhaps if one has a larger deck, it would get a smaller mowing diameter given a similar turning radius for the tractor itself.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
All 3 were tested with 60 inch decks.
@BG-vq9fd 3 жыл бұрын
When I bought my JD X738, the dealer pointed out that my cutting circle would be smaller with the 60 inch vs the 54 inch deck. I missed it if you commented on deck size.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
60 inch.
@1teddy1979 3 жыл бұрын
I am a big kubota fan and that is mostly all we have at work BUT I would say john deere has this sub compact division figured out the best. Turning radius, attachment hook up and controls are just a few of the things that put them on top. Get into the compacts and I think the john deere advantage is lost but obviously that is just opinion and we all know what that is worth lol
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Well written comment! Thanks!
@BobsOutdoorActivities 3 жыл бұрын
Really good information. So many people use their sub compact for mowing so this is great information. I first had a Craftsman lawn/garden tractor that I felt it turned like a submarine LOL. The fact the 1025 can turn in 50" is pretty darn cool. #GOCHRISTY :-)
@michaelparker9886 3 жыл бұрын
For me I don't try to turn sharp with my mowing set up I have a large frame compact with 84 inch mower it gets a lil long in some areas but mows lots of grass quicker then a61 inch cut zero turn do to how rough the the ground it but on my trim mower I use a old wheel horse to mow ditches and do close trim work I modified the steering stops so it turned tighter
@markmccoy1304 3 жыл бұрын
He that findeth a wife findeth a good thing! Tim you have a good wife bless her heart. Dinner and new shoes!!!
@akbychoice 3 жыл бұрын
Front right wheel full of grease? Good explanation of the plus on a tighter turn.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Paint.
@claytonkeeney8911 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the deere rider with the 4 tire stearing would compare?
@davidhypes5228 3 жыл бұрын
I wondered the same thing, so I looked on the John Deere web page. A 4WD X739 with All wheel steer has a 10 inch uncut diameter with a 54” deck and a 6 inch uncut with a 60” deck. So, that 4WS obviously makes a huge difference!
@stephendixon4619 3 жыл бұрын
When buying lawn tractors or garden tractors you'll see uncut turning radius in the specs. Of course it makes a great deal of difference what size of deck you choose, if you have a choice of 54" or 72" it's significant. On another point, I'm blue you don't call it Holley.
@ingmarfisser6162 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Tim and Christy,love the video.Maybe you can do a video how to take the loader off
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Coming up.
@earlyriser8998 3 жыл бұрын
this is good information to consider
@DTW_Guy 3 жыл бұрын
Does the Workmaster shut off the deck when reversing? Kubota's bigger turning radius isn't as big of a deal for me since you can backup with the blades running making it pretty easy to get around obstacles and cut while doing it.
@dennisryan7487 3 жыл бұрын
Holly ! Right there with ya Christy !
@bengentry2982 3 жыл бұрын
New Holland at one time offered a "Super Steer" option on their smaller tractors where the axle was allowed to pivot in middle increasing the radius of the turn. Does the Deere have a similar design allowing that impressive performance? Does the front wheels of the 1025R tend to chew up yard on the turn given the tight radius? Informative test for a someone that uses the machine often as a mower.
@valleytractorservices9310 3 жыл бұрын
1025R does not have such a system
@ChrisPueppke 3 жыл бұрын
Super Steer is an amazing thing to experience first hand! I haven't seen anything around like it either so we picked up an older New Holland TC33D with Super Steer. It certainly turns super short for its size but does have some weird caveats with loader type attatchment due to the steering geometry. That takes some learning lol. I'd bet that's why it wasn't fully adopted. It is lovely as a mower though if you come from zero turn type lawn equipment. I wonder if someone would attempt a Super Steer style turning again. I know John Deer has 4 wheel steering in their lawn tractor line.
@dwayneloftice2326 3 жыл бұрын
A very important factor for mowing and maneuvering in tight places. 1025R Wins! Now....if they could just get the deck height providing more ground clearance.
@markusbengtsson5650 3 жыл бұрын
As a lawn mower how would the articulated front loader like the Bobcat you tested perform vs this one?
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think Bobcat offers a finish mower for the L28.
@owenhawbaker4323 3 жыл бұрын
Tim u show do venny I. The mowing circle
@Jackdelfranco68 3 жыл бұрын
You did make a note of it but I assume all three are using the same width cutting deck? If not you need to do this again.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. All 60”
@bubbaburns1830 3 жыл бұрын
Tim, your front right tire looks low...
@dcidci1012 2 жыл бұрын
She is right that is Holly, I have little blue 1994 1315 28 hp. starts & runs perfect just like it did when I bought him new.
@johnhunter273 3 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between the wheelbase of the 3 machines? Would that not make a difference? Good info!
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Deere has the longest wheelbase! This is counter intuitive, right!
@rottmanthan 3 жыл бұрын
i keep looking at that front tire, did it go flat? or if you mentioned it i missed that.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
It leaks down continually.
@darrenburch3326 3 жыл бұрын
Could you please please!!! do the 2038r Looking at 2032 vs 1025. For general yard work for 6 acres. And 72 vs 60 inch deck price vs time overall added value .. thank you been going back and forth on JD all in one or going RK 37 and getting zero turn price would be a little less . But what is the long term cost.
@ericpowell335 3 жыл бұрын
Same back and forth here including the rk37h
@tubaguy1267 3 жыл бұрын
What about big orange?
@mcarthur692 3 жыл бұрын
I watched the video of the Deere vs kubota video Long ago. But I had already bought the Deere.
@likemike4885 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your channel and all it;s content. I am a retired farmer and enjoy video's with equipment. I recently watched a video were they were buying a compact tractor and had narrowed it down to New Holland, Kubota and Joh Deere. He eventually chose New Holland. Some of the reasons for his choice were that New Holland had more hydraulic capacity and that only the New Holland had a cast iron rear end vs aluminum. This was on hydrostatic models with 25 hp. He did say the John Deere D series was cast iron because it was gear drive. I was kind of disappointed to learn most hydro's had aluminum rear ends. At the time of this video you had all 3 models, would you be able to check there rear ends to verify which were cast iron and aluminum.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Deere and Kubota cast aluminum. Not sure how NH could be any different since it is exactly the same weight as the other two. I no longer have the NH to test.
@zacharysandberg 3 жыл бұрын
@@TractorTimewithTim I just ran a magnet over the gearbox of my MT125 and it appears to be aluminum indeed.
@wickedcoyote271 3 жыл бұрын
I made the mistake(Choice) to build flower boxes around our trees. The smaller turning radius of the Deere is important or mowing around the trees would make me dread mowing.
@richpicone7788 3 жыл бұрын
I like seeing the comparison, but I’d still stick with Deere.
@daveuso 3 жыл бұрын
Is the mower deck size on each the same width? That would change the dimensions.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, all 60”
@rayanderson4119 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like that right front has 2 problems, almost flat and significant oil leak? But an interesting experiment anyway. It might also be interesting to know if the mower blades on all 3 overlap enough to make sure there isn't an inch wide strip left between them from turning too short. My old STX38 could do that.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Black paint in the rim.
@JohnnyUmphress 3 жыл бұрын
Making a tight turn with these little tractors you run the risk of rolling the tire of the bead. I know, I did that.
@PhilHilton 3 жыл бұрын
@Tractor Time With Tim You might want to mention the deck sizes on these comparisons. A larger/wider deck will have a smaller turning radius/diameter than a smaller/narrower deck on the same tractor if only because it reaches closer to the center of the circle. I have no idea what size deck was on Holly or Johnny or the Kubota.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
60 inch on all. I am not stupid enough to be testing different sized decks attempting to pass it off as fair.
@PhilHilton 3 жыл бұрын
@@TractorTimewithTim Wow. Bad day Tim? I never said you were stupid or that you were trying to pass anything off. I just said I didn’t know what size the decks were.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
No worries. Not a bad day. We take our testing seriously, It is hard to mention every single possible thing during these tests. At some point folks have to trust that we are thinking it through. Based on the repeated asking of this question in the comments section, it is clear that folks are not willing to do so. They either assume we are idiots, or out to ‘cheat’ the test results. Neither are true. Had we used different sized decks, it would have been worthy of mention, and we would certainly have discussed that, and modified our calculations to fit. Anyway, no offense. Thanks for continuing to watch us.
@PhilHilton 3 жыл бұрын
@@TractorTimewithTim I suspect it is because you typically DO make an effort to talk about all the important aspects that affect these types of comparisons. So if you omit something potentially important, despite it being obvious to you, it will almost certainly cause some to wonder about it, and some of them to do that wondering in the comments. In any case, I appreciate your time.
@timraber6575 3 жыл бұрын
Use a program called “Wolfram Alpha” to check the history of names. Always interesting. I like Holly.........
@ashtonstanley6036 3 жыл бұрын
Need to try a Kioti tractor
@troymckinney5911 3 жыл бұрын
I like Holly... Good choice Kristy Any name for the Kubota yet? My kids named my L3301 Kubby
@seenithere 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a big difference in the wheel base of the 3 tractors?
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Deere is longest wheelbase! Should be worst turning radius.
@FarmKid1715 3 жыл бұрын
On a large open lawn this would make a big difference if you can do fewer rounds with the Deere before going back and forth. Do you know if the Deere could do rows and turnaround on the ends with only two 60" opening rounds of the lawn? (not sure my question makes sense) I'm sure the Kubota and New Holland would need 3 opening rounds at least.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, can be done...but need to back up at each end to turn.
@chdinct6792 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe you cover this in the comments, but I never see where you state the mower deck size. Seems that would be a critical variable. Are these all with 60" decks?
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, all 60”.
@jared5862 3 жыл бұрын
The sharper the the wheel turns the more stress and wear gets put on the bearing and front axle. Just curious if the 1025 have front axle problems. I’m totally out of the loop and ignorant about Deere tractors.
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
No unusual front axle issues. Sometimes front axle seals go out due to loader abuse.(too much weight bouncing too fast)
@gilb6982 3 жыл бұрын
Are the tree mower the same size ?
@TractorTimewithTim 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. 60”
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